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| efried | #startmeeting nova | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 25 14:00:40 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is efried. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 14:00 |
| takashin | o/ | 14:00 |
| cdent | ahoy hoy | 14:01 |
| efried | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 14:01 |
| artom | o/ | 14:01 |
| dansmith | Oj <- here but on a call | 14:02 |
| efried | cute | 14:02 |
| efried | dansmith getting away with murder as usual | 14:03 |
| cdent | https://youtu.be/8K2JYdY2Hok?t=13 | 14:03 |
| dansmith | um | 14:03 |
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| artom | dansmith, so you drive white Ford Bronco, right? | 14:04 |
| dansmith | oooh, OJ, I see. <groan> | 14:04 |
| efried | yeah, sorry about that | 14:05 |
| efried | okay, let's go | 14:05 |
| efried | #topic Last meeting | 14:05 |
| efried | #link Minutes from last meeting: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2019/nova.2019-07-18-21.00.html | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Last meeting (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:05 | |
| efried | any old bidniss? | 14:05 |
| * mriedem shows up late | 14:05 | |
| efried | #topic Release News | 14:06 |
| efried | Spec freeze today | 14:06 |
| efried | #link spec review notice on ML (with handy review.o.o search) http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-July/008019.html | 14:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Release News (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:06 | |
| efried | Above thread draws attention to four specs (two in the original post, two in mriedem's response) that stand a chance of making it today. | 14:06 |
| efried | if you are core-like, please cast your eyes thereupon | 14:07 |
| efried | (or even if you're not) | 14:07 |
| efried | but it would be polite of us to at least ack the remainder, if nothing else then with a -1 "this isn't far enough along to make freeze, please propose to backlog" or similar. | 14:08 |
| efried | Any discussion on spec freeze? | 14:08 |
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| mriedem | i'll be updating those other 2 i pointed out | 14:08 |
| mriedem | since they just need cleaning | 14:08 |
| efried | Thanks mriedem. | 14:09 |
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| efried | Any other release news (other than stable, which is later)? | 14:09 |
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| efried | #topic Bugs (stuck/critical) | 14:10 |
| efried | No Critical bugs | 14:10 |
| efried | #link 67 new untriaged bugs (-2 since the last meeting): https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=New | 14:10 |
| efried | #link 3 untagged untriaged bugs (-1 since the last meeting): https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=-*&field.status%3Alist=NEW | 14:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (stuck/critical) (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:10 | |
| efried | any bug discussion? | 14:10 |
| efried | #topic Gate status | 14:10 |
| efried | #link check queue gate status http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/index.html | 14:10 |
| efried | #link 3rd party CI status (seems to be back in action) http://ciwatch.mmedvede.net/project?project=nova | 14:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Gate status (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:10 | |
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| mriedem | not really gate related, but ci related, i've got a change up which converts nova-next to zuulv3 native https://review.opendev.org/#/c/670196/ | 14:11 |
| efried | gate hasn't been *horrible* lately. Spurious failure rates feel normal-ish, but response time seems somewhat improved. | 14:11 |
| mriedem | i plan on eventually doing that for nova-lvm next | 14:11 |
| cdent | (obvmwareciexcuse: all the internal quota is used up on internal testing) | 14:11 |
| cdent | (someone is "working to get more") | 14:12 |
| efried | mriedem: yay, anything that reduces the amount of sh-in-yaml is a win as far as I'm concerned. | 14:12 |
| efried | I'm probably not qualified to +2 that one, but I'll have a look. | 14:12 |
| mriedem | also, | 14:12 |
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| mriedem | long-term i think that will allow us to break apart the now-getting-big post_stack_test.sh | 14:13 |
| mriedem | into separate ansible tasks | 14:13 |
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| efried | what's the zoomed-out result of that? | 14:14 |
| efried | Shorter jobs on more nodes? | 14:14 |
| mriedem | no | 14:14 |
| mriedem | manageability of the script | 14:14 |
| mriedem | i.e. not a huge ass bash script | 14:14 |
| efried | ack | 14:14 |
| efried | #topic Reminders | 14:16 |
| efried | any? | 14:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Reminders (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:16 | |
| efried | #topic Stable branch status | 14:16 |
| efried | #link stable/stein: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+(project:openstack/os-vif+OR+project:openstack/python-novaclient+OR+project:openstack/nova)+branch:stable/stein | 14:16 |
| efried | #link stable/rocky: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+(project:openstack/os-vif+OR+project:openstack/python-novaclient+OR+project:openstack/nova)+branch:stable/rocky | 14:16 |
| efried | #link stable/queens: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+(project:openstack/os-vif+OR+project:openstack/python-novaclient+OR+project:openstack/nova)+branch:stable/queens | 14:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stable branch status (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:16 | |
| efried | mriedem: stable news? | 14:16 |
| mriedem | mel and i flushed a few stein backports | 14:16 |
| mriedem | but probably not any release plans right now | 14:16 |
| efried | oh, that reminds me, back on release news - are we (nova) responsible for any "libraries" that need a pro forma m-2 release? | 14:17 |
| efried | like novaclient or os-vif? | 14:17 |
| mriedem | idk if the release team automatically does those, but i'd assume they don't, so it's probably not a bad idea to do a release, though we just recently did a novaclient release | 14:18 |
| mriedem | but idk about os-vif | 14:18 |
| mriedem | so todo to look at releasing os-vif | 14:18 |
| efried | Oh, it's cycle-with-intermediary libs that need a release http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-July/008018.html | 14:19 |
| efried | python-novaclient is cycle-with-intermediary | 14:20 |
| efried | ...as is os-vif | 14:20 |
| efried | so yeah. | 14:20 |
| efried | and based on --^ it looks like we're probably responsible for making sure those get proposed, or we'll be shunted to cycle-with-rc | 14:20 |
| efried | so | 14:21 |
| efried | #action efried to (delegate or) ensure releases as appropriate for python-novaclient and os-vif | 14:21 |
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| efried | moving on | 14:21 |
| mriedem | like i said, we just did novaclient so i don't think we need another now | 14:21 |
| mriedem | but os-vif probably | 14:21 |
| efried | ack | 14:22 |
| efried | I'll poke (and possibly delegate to) sean about it. | 14:22 |
| efried | #topic Sub/related team Highlights | 14:22 |
| efried | Placement (cdent) | 14:22 |
| efried | #link latest pupdate http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-July/007907.html | 14:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Sub/related team Highlights (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:22 | |
| cdent | nothing critical to report. tssurya has made some progress on consumer types | 14:22 |
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| cdent | all the nested magic stuff that we planned to do is done, so if there are nova folk who need/want to use it, it's there and we should talk about it | 14:23 |
| cdent | eof | 14:24 |
| efried | Yeah, I was sort of hoping that | 14:25 |
| efried | #link NUMA modeling spec https://review.opendev.org/#/c/552924/ | 14:25 |
| efried | would get refreshed in time to do something in Train, but that hasn't happened. | 14:25 |
| efried | which means we may want to re-look at | 14:25 |
| efried | #link best-effort VGPU affinity spec https://review.opendev.org/552924 | 14:25 |
| efried | doh | 14:25 |
| efried | #undo | 14:25 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: #link https://review.opendev.org/552924 | 14:25 |
| efried | #link best-effort VGPU affinity spec https://review.opendev.org/#/c/650963/ | 14:26 |
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| efried | I know RH is pretty interested in getting some kind of VGPU affinity landed in Train. | 14:26 |
| efried | How are other cores feeling about making this go? | 14:27 |
| efried | mriedem: dansmith | 14:27 |
| mriedem | shrug | 14:27 |
| dansmith | I thought you already nak'd it? | 14:27 |
| efried | I -1d, I did not -2 | 14:27 |
| mriedem | i would have to reload the context since at one time it was talking about limits and all sorts of crap | 14:28 |
| mriedem | idk if it was a new weigher or passing limits down to compute or what | 14:28 |
| dansmith | so, I think that bauzas has probably refocused at this point as a result of that, given proximity to the deadline | 14:28 |
| efried | and my -1 was based on the possibility of doing the real stuff in Train. | 14:28 |
| dansmith | so restarting now is probably going to be rough | 14:28 |
| dansmith | (and yes, I wanted you to make a call one way or the other, so I'm not complaining) | 14:28 |
| dansmith | mriedem: yep, that's what it is | 14:29 |
| mriedem | i also think our plate is already full so... | 14:29 |
| mriedem | and i'm still not getting reviews on my mega series so... | 14:29 |
| mriedem | double meh | 14:29 |
| mriedem | RH should be focused on numa aware live migration imo | 14:30 |
| mriedem | and windriver | 14:30 |
| artom | I am :) | 14:30 |
| mriedem | since starlingx assumes we're just going to deliver it | 14:30 |
| mriedem | on a platter | 14:30 |
| artom | (When I'm not putting out product fires, which have abated for a bit) | 14:30 |
| mriedem | moving on? | 14:32 |
| efried | Okay, well, I'll leave this alone for now, and bauzas can request a SFE if necessary. | 14:32 |
| efried | API (gmann) | 14:32 |
| efried | No update this week. I was in opensource/openstack days Tokyo for full week. | 14:32 |
| efried | gmann: anything to add? | 14:33 |
| efried | #topic Stuck Reviews | 14:34 |
| efried | any? | 14:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stuck Reviews (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:34 | |
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| efried | #topic Review status page | 14:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review status page (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:35 | |
| efried | #link http://status.openstack.org/reviews/#nova | 14:35 |
| efried | Count: 462 (+1); Top score: 1331 (-102) | 14:35 |
| efried | #help Pick a patch near the top, shepherd it to closure | 14:35 |
| efried | I just abandoned the top one since it had had no activity for >1y | 14:35 |
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| efried | #topic Open discussion | 14:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:36 | |
| efried | Can we talk summit/PTG for a bit? | 14:36 |
| efried | It is not at all clear whether we're going to have critical mass to warrant a room at the PTG. | 14:37 |
| efried | I'm not sure whether I'll be able to attend. | 14:37 |
| mriedem | i've been told to not think about booking until late sept/oct | 14:37 |
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| mriedem | so i'm not sure i'll be there yet | 14:37 |
| efried | mriedem: and give up discounted ticket price?? | 14:38 |
| mriedem | heh... | 14:38 |
| mriedem | i know lots of people aren't going | 14:38 |
| efried | and yet, we have to tell them whether we want a room in like two weeks. | 14:38 |
| mriedem | well, | 14:38 |
| mriedem | i know alex_xu and Fred Li (huawei) have organized meetups in china, | 14:38 |
| mriedem | so what i'd probably do is reach out to them to see if they have ideas on local numbers for ptg attendance | 14:39 |
| artom | Where's that etherpad of people going/not going? | 14:39 |
| mriedem | you'd likely not need a huge ballroom like we normally have, but at least a side meeting room | 14:39 |
| efried | #link shanghai nova ptg etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-shanghai-ptg | 14:39 |
| mriedem | i can ask alex/fred in wechat if that helps | 14:39 |
| efried | thanks, that would be neat. Alex has acked on the etherpad | 14:39 |
| mriedem | i've asked in a wechat room | 14:41 |
| mriedem | will let you know | 14:41 |
| efried | tbh this is the main thing that's keeping me up nights. | 14:41 |
| mriedem | also pinged shane wang | 14:41 |
| mriedem | bauzas: isn't in there but i thought he was requesting approval | 14:42 |
| artom | efried, the PTG attendee situation> | 14:42 |
| dansmith | efried: what, lack of critical mass at ptg? | 14:42 |
| dansmith | efried: if so, I don't think you need to worry about that, just MHO | 14:42 |
| dansmith | nobody (including the foundation, I expect) is surprised that attendance is going to be very low at this one, so it's going to be whatever it's going to be | 14:43 |
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| mriedem | efried: yeah i'll let you know what i hear, if there are choices on room size i'd say not a ballroom but a meeting room is probably fine | 14:44 |
| efried | Yeah, like on a personal level my family and I are not very happy (understatement) about the prospect of a trip to China in general. If we wind up not running a room, I'd feel better about saying no. | 14:44 |
| mriedem | if you personally can't travel that's a different thing, but alex could run the room or something | 14:44 |
| dansmith | efried: there will be people there regardless | 14:44 |
| mriedem | like they have at local bug smash events | 14:45 |
| dansmith | right, alex or any of the people already saying they're going | 14:45 |
| dansmith | opportunity to step up and all | 14:45 |
| mriedem | right - good management speak there dan | 14:45 |
| efried | oo, I like that line. | 14:45 |
| * dansmith puffs up his chest | 14:45 | |
| efried | And who knows who will be PTL by then | 14:45 |
| mriedem | that's twice in one week | 14:45 |
| mriedem | ibm can sniff new first line management potential already | 14:45 |
| clarkb | mriedem: there are a range of room sizes | 14:46 |
| mriedem | ok, so i'd just say "not a cavernous hall please" | 14:46 |
| mriedem | whoever makes it makes it | 14:47 |
| mriedem | pick a room lead later | 14:47 |
| mriedem | do as much pre-ptg in ML like placement did last time as possible | 14:47 |
| efried | ++ | 14:47 |
| efried | Okay, any other open discussion? | 14:47 |
| * mriedem awkwardly hugs eric to make him feel....different | 14:48 | |
| efried | mission accomplished | 14:48 |
| efried | Thanks all. | 14:48 |
| efried | o/ | 14:48 |
| efried | #endmeeting | 14:48 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 25 14:48:47 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2019/nova.2019-07-25-14.00.html | 14:48 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2019/nova.2019-07-25-14.00.txt | 14:48 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2019/nova.2019-07-25-14.00.log.html | 14:48 |
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| gagehugo | #startmeeting security | 15:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 25 15:03:47 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gagehugo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 15:03 |
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| fungi | aloha | 15:03 |
| gagehugo | sorry still in a meeting | 15:04 |
| fungi | no worries, me too ;) | 15:04 |
| mhen | o/ | 15:04 |
| gagehugo | Should be done soon | 15:04 |
| gagehugo | o/ | 15:04 |
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| fungi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-agenda Security SIG Weekly Meeting Agenda | 15:06 |
| gagehugo | thanks, I was failing on my phone | 15:07 |
| fungi | no worries, there's another bugset i can add | 15:08 |
| gagehugo | #topic CIDR's of the form 12.34.56.78/0 should be an error Edit | 15:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CIDR's of the form 12.34.56.78/0 should be an error Edit (Meeting topic: security)" | 15:08 | |
| gagehugo | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1837339 | 15:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1837339 in OpenStack Security Advisory "CIDR's of the form 12.34.56.78/0 should be an error" [Undecided,Incomplete] | 15:08 |
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| gagehugo | Looks like this is a good security hardening opportunity | 15:09 |
| gagehugo | If interested, feel free to take a look | 15:11 |
| gagehugo | #topic IFLA_BR_AGEING_TIME of 0 causes flooding across bridges | 15:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "IFLA_BR_AGEING_TIME of 0 causes flooding across bridges (Meeting topic: security)" | 15:11 | |
| gagehugo | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-vif/+bug/1837252 | 15:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1837252 in os-vif "IFLA_BR_AGEING_TIME of 0 causes flooding across bridges" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to sean mooney (sean-k-mooney) | 15:12 |
| fungi | yeah, at the moment it's in a good place to weigh in on what you think the correct user interface is for horizon's handling of cidrs | 15:12 |
| fungi | 1837339 i mean | 15:12 |
| fungi | 1837252 got brought to my attention today | 15:12 |
| gagehugo | yeah I will take a look at it today | 15:14 |
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| fungi | there's also another linked in the agenda which was known as a potential vulnerability for a while (via one of its marked duplicates), and seems to have very similar symptoms but is thought to stem from somewhere else | 15:14 |
| gagehugo | ah ok | 15:14 |
| gagehugo | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1732067 | 15:15 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1732067 in neutron "openvswitch firewall flows cause flooding on integration bridge" [High,In progress] - Assigned to LIU Yulong (dragon889) | 15:15 |
| * gagehugo will read those later | 15:16 | |
| gagehugo | fungi: anything else to add to those? | 15:16 |
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| fungi | nothing i haven't already put in comments on the bugs themselves, no | 15:17 |
| gagehugo | ok | 15:17 |
| gagehugo | #topic open discussion | 15:17 |
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| gagehugo | floor is open if anyone has anything | 15:17 |
| fungi | assistance in reproducing/fixing those public reports would be most appreciated | 15:17 |
| gagehugo | ^ | 15:17 |
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| fungi | especially figuring out whether they're related | 15:17 |
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| mhen | I'd like to discuss a topic regarding API policy files | 15:18 |
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| mhen | recently I tried enforcing non-default rules in Cinder and Nova and happened to notice that: 1) Nova only accepted json but not yaml and 2) Cinder did accept only yaml but not json for the policy.yaml or policy.json respectively | 15:19 |
| gagehugo | interesting | 15:20 |
| mhen | Cinder does override [1] the default from oslo policy [2], whereas Nova doesn't seem to do that | 15:20 |
| mhen | [1] https://github.com/openstack/cinder/blob/0ec28f84289490c80688a58244e091224c9c8393/cinder/policy.py#L31 | 15:20 |
| mhen | [2] https://github.com/openstack/oslo.policy/blob/1e3f81c89b49451bd4c32a12f5a338441c5c1e56/oslo_policy/opts.py#L38 | 15:20 |
| gagehugo | cinder's commit for that was https://github.com/openstack/cinder/commit/8c132193923168150fdc7f62a20e2d887cde723b | 15:21 |
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| mhen | So if an operator/provider deploys their own policy files and doesn't pay attention, one of their files might be ignored without them immediately noticing | 15:22 |
| mhen | if you search online, there is much talk about the json or yaml but it's hard to find a resource telling you exactly where to use which | 15:22 |
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| gagehugo | I thought there was a movement a while ago to use yaml, but I could be remembering that wrong | 15:23 |
| gagehugo | obv still supporting json | 15:23 |
| bnemec | yaml was preferred because it allows comments | 15:23 |
| gagehugo | ah yeah | 15:23 |
| mhen | yaml has advantages, but simply ignoring a supplied json silently doesn't look good to me | 15:23 |
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| bnemec | So it's what we're shipping for sample policy configs because it allows us to inline the description text. | 15:23 |
| bnemec | Agreed that neither should be ignored though. Both are still supported. | 15:24 |
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| nickthetait | this does sound like a security bug to me | 15:24 |
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| gagehugo | could open one against cinder and nova and get to the bottom of this | 15:25 |
| mhen | note: you can change this in the respective components config (e.g. nova.conf) but the problem here is that the defaults are different | 15:25 |
| gagehugo | mhen: what release are you using? | 15:25 |
| mhen | gagehugo, queens currently | 15:25 |
| gagehugo | ok | 15:25 |
| mhen | but looked up the code in master | 15:25 |
| mhen | seems to be no different in master either, see links above | 15:26 |
| mhen | Nova says json: https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/a37a035c9d359b29fed6ea08bc99b93e51164e61/doc/source/configuration/index.rst | 15:26 |
| gagehugo | their documentation might need updating | 15:26 |
| gagehugo | their policy generator says policy.yaml | 15:27 |
| gagehugo | https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/etc/nova/nova-policy-generator.conf | 15:27 |
| mhen | gagehugo, but I wasn't able to find the overriding part in Nova as found in Cinder, so Nova falls back to json as per oslo.policy code if I got that right | 15:27 |
| mhen | see [1] and [2] above | 15:28 |
| gagehugo | ok | 15:28 |
| mhen | at least that's what I observe in queens right now and looking at the code, in master it hasn't changed | 15:29 |
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| mhen | thanks | 15:31 |
| gagehugo | mhen: ok, I can dig into this a bit | 15:31 |
| mhen | thank you! | 15:32 |
| gagehugo | thanks for bringing this up! | 15:32 |
| gagehugo | anything else? | 15:32 |
| nickthetait | I have a bit of news on security guide updates | 15:32 |
| nickthetait | submitted first few patches https://review.opendev.org/#/q/is:open+owner:nickthetait | 15:33 |
| gagehugo | nice | 15:33 |
| nickthetait | pretty minor stuff so far, needing reviews | 15:33 |
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| nickthetait | and one quick questions, is this "future" section right at the bottom of this page still needed? https://docs.openstack.org/security-guide/identity/federated-keystone.html | 15:34 |
| gagehugo | I'll take a look | 15:34 |
| gagehugo | nickthetait: I can ask in keystone | 15:34 |
| nickthetait | thx | 15:34 |
| nickthetait | thats all I have | 15:35 |
| gagehugo | thanks! | 15:35 |
| * gagehugo needs to run | 15:35 | |
| gagehugo | thanks everyone! have a good rest of the week | 15:35 |
| gagehugo | #endmeeting | 15:35 |
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| nickthetait | take care | 15:35 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 25 15:35:40 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:35 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2019/security.2019-07-25-15.03.html | 15:35 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2019/security.2019-07-25-15.03.txt | 15:35 |
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