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| mlavalle | #startmeeting neutron_drivers | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Fri Sep 20 14:00:22 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_drivers)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers' | 14:00 |
| yamamoto | hi | 14:00 |
| ralonsoh | hi | 14:00 |
| slaweq | hi | 14:00 |
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| haleyb | hi | 14:00 |
| adriaan42 | hi | 14:00 |
| mlavalle | let's wait 1 minute | 14:01 |
| njohnston | o/ | 14:01 |
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| amotoki | hi | 14:02 |
| mlavalle | ok, we have the usual suspects now... let's get going | 14:02 |
| mlavalle | #topic RFEs | 14:02 |
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| mlavalle | last meeting we discussed https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1837847 | 14:03 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1837847 in neutron "[RFE] neutron-vpnaas OpenVPN driver" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 14:03 |
| mlavalle | and we asked adriaan42 to propose a spec to clarify | 14:03 |
| mlavalle | which he did https://review.opendev.org/#/c/680990/ | 14:04 |
| mlavalle | thanks adriaan42! | 14:06 |
| mlavalle | after reading the spc last night, I leaned towards option 3 | 14:07 |
| mlavalle | seems simpler to me | 14:07 |
| mlavalle | there are people in this meeting with better knowledge of vpnaas, though | 14:07 |
| adriaan42 | Yes, I think so too. yamamoto asked a good question, whether the two dhcp services (neutron's and openvpn's) would conflict. I'll have to check on that. | 14:09 |
| mlavalle | this way the vpn server becomes just a conduit for the l2 traffic | 14:10 |
| slaweq | from the other hand, solution 1 seems "more correct" from Neutron's point of view IMO, as then neutron manage all ports, e.g. dhcp | 14:12 |
| slaweq | correct? | 14:12 |
| njohnston | yes, I was thinking that from that perspective vpnaas would be acting in a similar way to how kuryr acts | 14:13 |
| amotoki | it sounds reasonable that IP address is owned by a neutron port | 14:13 |
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| mlavalle | adriaan42: based on what you know now do you see still viable continuing with a Neutron port approach? | 14:17 |
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| adriaan42 | njohnston pointed out that usually, port creation is initiated by the neutron server, and not by agents. I'm not clear what would be involved if we do this anyway. It may require a new RPC call so the agent can initiate port creation? | 14:20 |
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| slaweq | adriaan42: isn't it like that e.g. in case of dhcp agents that agent is creating port in network? | 14:23 |
| slaweq | I'm not sure, just asking :) | 14:23 |
| njohnston | adriaan42: An analogue can be found in how the Kuryr project creates ports. It issues API requests to neutron server to create the ports and bind them to the compute nodes where it needs them | 14:23 |
| njohnston | adriaan42: I think that sticking with neutron API calls is better because it also is better able to accomodate the OVN model where there is no agent RPC communication | 14:25 |
| amotoki | perhaps it depends on how we add openvpn support. If the vpnaas plugin/driver knows a client IP address, the plugin can assign IP address by creating a port internally in neutron. | 14:25 |
| amotoki | if it is done by an agent, we need an extra RPC call. | 14:26 |
| slaweq | maybe stupid idea but maybe client can do call to neutron API and create such port? | 14:27 |
| adriaan42 | I'm also not sure. But that's two good pointers. I'll look into the dhcp agent and Kuryr, and try to implement something similar. | 14:27 |
| adriaan42 | slaweq that is my "Alternative 2", just leave it up to the client. | 14:28 |
| slaweq | adriaan42: ahh, right :) | 14:28 |
| yamamoto | adriaan42: how many clients does your use case likely have? | 14:30 |
| adriaan42 | yamamoto: I expect few clients, or even just one. A user will create a number of instances in a Neutron network and then use the VPN to interact with them. | 14:31 |
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| njohnston | adriaan42: So let's say using scenario 1, is this how it would go? vpnaas gets a neutron port, complete with ip address. vpnaas turns that over to openvpn which then uses it as the endpoint for the vpn tunnel. | 14:36 |
| njohnston | routing traffic to the ip address neutron gave as a gateway to the network behind the tunnel would be outside neutron's scope | 14:38 |
| njohnston | is that a fairly accurate view, adriaan42? | 14:38 |
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| njohnston | hmm, I was thinking of the server side of the tunnel, not the client side of the tunnel. I think that is where my confusion is | 14:40 |
| adriaan42 | njohnston I'm not sure. Looking from the neutron network, the VPN clients are not behind a (L3) gateway. They would be in the same L2 domain. | 14:40 |
| adriaan42 | Oh, yes the server side is a different question | 14:40 |
| mlavalle | adriaan42: I am taking a step back here. why the need of placing the remote clients in the same L2 domain? can you elaborate a little bit on the use case | 14:44 |
| mlavalle | ? | 14:44 |
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| njohnston | adriaan42: also, will 100% of traffic be run through the VPN? Or will it be just traffic destined for certain CIDR blocks? | 14:46 |
| njohnston | from the client side of the VPN I mean | 14:46 |
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| njohnston | if only traffic routed to certain CIDR blocks needs to be routed through the VPN then I think this could be accomplished very easily using the extraroutes API | 14:47 |
| mlavalle | in the interest of moving forward here's what I have in mind: | 14:48 |
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| adriaan42 | mlavalle part of the traffic is multicast. In fact, the first thing that happens when talking to my instances is a multicast-based discovery protocol. | 14:48 |
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| mlavalle | adriaan42: thanks for the clarification | 14:48 |
| mlavalle | in the interest of moving forward, here's what I propose: | 14:49 |
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| mlavalle | 1) It seems to me that adriaan42 has valid / good need for a L2 VPN.... so if we all agree on that, let's approve the RFE | 14:49 |
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| mlavalle | 2) Let's continue the detailed discussion of the how in the spec | 14:50 |
| njohnston | +1 | 14:50 |
| amotoki | totally agree | 14:50 |
| slaweq | +1 | 14:51 |
| yamamoto | +1 | 14:51 |
| mlavalle | given that the team seems to lean towards a solution where the ips are owned by a neutron port, we can continue with the idea on converging on that | 14:51 |
| mlavalle | adriaan42: is this helpful | 14:51 |
| adriaan42 | Yes, definitely. | 14:52 |
| adriaan42 | I'll do some homework, and then update the spec. | 14:52 |
| mlavalle | adriaan42: one thing you didn't answer above was if based on what you know today, does a neutron port based approach contnue being viable? | 14:53 |
| mlavalle | possible? | 14:53 |
| adriaan42 | I think it's possible. | 14:53 |
| adriaan42 | I will read into how the dhcp agent and kuryr do it. | 14:54 |
| mlavalle | ok, so since this team seems to be leaning towards a neutron port owning the ip, let's continue the development of the spec under that assumption | 14:54 |
| mlavalle | does this make sense to everybody? | 14:54 |
| slaweq | yes | 14:55 |
| amotoki | yes | 14:55 |
| adriaan42 | yes | 14:55 |
| njohnston | yes | 14:55 |
| njohnston | adriaan42: Ping me if you want more info on how kuryr is wiring things up | 14:55 |
| mlavalle | ok cool, since we have a path forward with a working hypothesis, let's follow it now | 14:56 |
| adriaan42 | thanks, yes I will | 14:56 |
| mlavalle | adriaan42: in a few minutes I'll mark the RFE as approved and let's focus on the spec | 14:57 |
| mlavalle | and with that, since we are close to the top of the hour, I wish everybody a nice weekend | 14:57 |
| slaweq | thx, You too :) | 14:57 |
| njohnston | thanks, you too mlavalle! | 14:58 |
| mlavalle | and thank you all for your time | 14:58 |
| amotoki | thanks | 14:58 |
| adriaan42 | Thank you! | 14:58 |
| mlavalle | #endmeeting | 14:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Sep 20 14:58:12 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2019/neutron_drivers.2019-09-20-14.00.html | 14:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2019/neutron_drivers.2019-09-20-14.00.txt | 14:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2019/neutron_drivers.2019-09-20-14.00.log.html | 14:58 |
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| yamamoto | good night | 14:58 |
| slaweq | o/ | 14:58 |
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