Thursday, 2019-10-17

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mriedem#startmeeting nova14:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Oct 17 14:00:11 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mriedem. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'nova'14:00
mriedemefried is shuttling kids atm14:00
* cdent is only barely here14:00
mriedem#link agenda
mriedem#topic Last meeting14:01
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mriedem#link Minutes from last meeting:
mriedem#link db migration placeholders (merged) (done)14:01
mriedem#link SEV bug warning patch (done)14:01
mriedem#link update contributor guide - done but more could be done14:01
mriedem#topic Release News14:01
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mriedemTrain is released, stable/train is open for business.14:02
mriedem#link Nova Ussuri schedule
mriedemany questions about release stuff?14:02
dansmithso the compute alias patch finally landed, I guess I should propose that to train as well14:02
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mriedemi think it's optional,14:02
mriedemwhen looking at stein and rocky, we did one of those in it's target release and one after14:03
mriedembut didn't backport14:03
mriedemi can't remember which14:03
mriedemit doesn't hurt to backport either so whatever14:03
dansmithit is not critical, but it's confusing for it to not be consistent, just not a huge deal to hold it up14:03
mriedemmoving on14:04
mriedem#topic Summit/PTG Planning14:04
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mriedemUssuri scope containment,14:04
mriedem#link Spec template update for "core liaison" is merged
mriedem^ had 2 cores vote on it so that makes 3 total that are aware of the new spec process,14:04
mriedemif people have issues with what was merged they can propose amendments14:05
* mriedem doesn't know what the new process is yet either really14:05
gmannso we still waiting for new process of spec selection right ?14:05
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gmanncore liaison is just for adding liaison things not the new process14:06
dansmithnot really "waiting" I don't think.. specs are being approved and implemented14:06
mriedemyou mean the capping14:06
gmannor we dropped the idea of capping14:06
mriedemi want to say eric intends on capping things as we get closer to a freeze date but not sure14:06
mriedemi don't think he dropped the idea of capping14:06
mriedembut i also haven't been paying much attention to it either so you'd have to ask eric14:06
mriedem#topic Stable branch status14:07
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mriedemas i said stable/train is open and i've been +2ing changes14:07
mriedem#link stable/train:
mriedemwe just recently-ish did a stein release,14:07
mriedem#link stable/stein:
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mriedemwe did a rocky release last week,14:07
mriedem#link stable/rocky:
mriedemand we need to flush queens and do a release soon,14:08
mriedem#link stable/queens:
mriedemqueens goes into extended maintenance in a couple of weeks14:08
mriedemoct 25 to be exact14:08
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mriedem#help review stable/queens backports so we can flush the queue and do a final release before extended maintenance14:08
mriedemnote that some of the things proposed to queens are yet to be merged on the newer branches - basically everything gibi is pushing :)14:09
mriedemquestions about stable?14:09
mriedem#topic Bugs (stuck/critical)14:09
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mriedemthere is 1 critical bug,14:09
openstackLaunchpad bug 1848499 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "tests fail with networkx 2.4: "AttributeError: 'DiGraph' object has no attribute 'node'"" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Balazs Gibizer (balazs-gibizer)14:09
mriedemgibi has a patch:
mriedembut we're totally blocked in the gate until that lands14:10
mriedemso hold your rechecks14:10
mriedem#link 85 new untriaged bugs (+11 since the last meeting):
dansmiththat was not the failure I saw and rechecked for14:10
mriedemyeah it is14:10
dansmiththere were like five powervm unit fails14:10
mriedemit's the powervm driver tests,14:10
mriedemwhich use taskflow,14:10
mriedemwhich uses networkx14:10
dansmithoh, jeez, okay14:10
mriedemwhich just released and is uncapped14:11
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mriedemas seen from the numbers above we're falling behind in bug triage,14:11
mriedem#link 9 untagged untriaged bugs (+6 since the last meeting):*&field.status%3Alist=NEW14:11
mriedem#link bug triage how-to:
mriedem#help need help with bug triage14:11
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mriedemwe do have a few random oslo.messaging/conductor related bugs sitting in triage that i don't know what to do with14:12
mriedemsince they are like, "rpc something, service crashed"14:12
efried_afko/ sorry folks14:12
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mriedemefried_afk: we're at gate status, you want me to just keep going?14:12
mriedemefried: ^14:13
mriedem#topic Gate status14:13
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mriedem#link check queue gate status
mriedemso we obviously have a few gate bugs, the one above being the main issue,14:13
mriedem is our other major gate bug,14:13
mriedemfor which i don't have an answer14:13
mriedemi have a couple of patches up to grenade and devstack gate to try and get more detailed mysql logs to see why mysql connections are getting aborted,14:14
mriedembut those patches aren't working yet and i haven't been prioritizing it14:14
mriedemso if someone can help that'd be cool14:14
efriedmriedem: yes please and thanks.14:14
mriedem#link 3rd party CI status (seems to be back in action)
mriedemnot much to report on 3rd party ci status except i'm sure some jobs are still not working,14:15
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mriedemand i reported a thing to the hyper-v guys last week and it was already fixed by the time i reported it so thanks to them for being on top of their game14:15
mriedem#topic Reminders14:15
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mriedemthere is nothing in the agenda for reminders14:15
mriedem#topic Sub/related team Highlights14:16
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mriedemPlacement (cdent/tetsuro) ?14:16
mriedemi was just going to note if there was nothing else14:16
cdenttetsuro: posted an email about ptg topics for people who will be there14:16
mriedemas i said on there i'm a .5 meh14:16
cdentmelwitt made some updates to the consumer types stuff (thank you!)14:16
cdentthat's all I know14:16
efried#link placement ptg
efried#link placement ptg etherpad
melwittyeah, I just addressed my own test comments. stack has passed CI14:17
efriedre COMPUTE_NODE patch, if we can get that merged and released, I can roll up two versions in the placement catch-up.14:18
gibiefried: I will look at it soon ^^14:18
mriedemdansmith: just so you're aware, and i don't remember if there is any reason not to do this,14:18
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mriedembut that patch is to add a generic COMPUTE_NODE trait to more easily filter compute node resource providers, like in sylvain's audit CLI14:18
mriedemi feel like we've talked about this a few times over the years but just never did it for whatever reason14:19
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mriedemmoving on to,14:19
mriedemAPI (gmann)14:19
gmannI have not started updates for ussuri yet (may be after PTG I will collect the API works and status)14:19
gmannand reminder for review on policy spec  -
gmannthat's all from me today.14:20
mriedem#topic Stuck Reviews14:20
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mriedemnothing in the agenda14:20
mriedem#topic Review status page14:20
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mriedemCount: 456 (-1); Top score: 2133 (+42)14:20
mriedem#help Pick a patch near the top, shepherd it to closure14:20
mriedemjust a reminder on ^,14:20
mriedemif you abandon a change, update the related bug (mark it invalid if it's invalid, etc)14:21
mriedem#topic Open discussion14:21
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mriedemsince we skipped last week's meeting we have a lot more than usual items here14:21
mriedem#help Volunteer core(s) for "Meet the Project Leaders" in Shanghai14:21
mriedemi think that is done14:21
mriedemefried: ^?14:21
mriedemi thought stephenfin and gibi were signing up for all outreach work14:22
efriedYup, bauzas and stephenfin have volunteered14:22
gibiI can be there if needed14:22
efriedthanks for that14:22
mriedemi'm assuming alex_xu will also be at the summit...?14:22
mriedemseems like it would be good to have the one chinese nova core involved in that stuff while in china :)14:22
stephenfinyes, yes it would14:23
mriedem#help Volunteer for interop guidelines14:23
mriedemnot sure if anyone signed up for this,14:23
mriedemFWIW I think this is the last time we added anything and it was the  first time we added a guideline that depended on a microversion:
mriedemthat was adding the 2.2 keypair type microversion to interop14:24
mriedemthat microversion was added in kilo....14:24
mriedemso you can see how far behind the guidelines are compared to the compute API14:24
mriedemi'm not signing up, but if someone is interested you could just look for something newer than kilo that would be non-admin and hypervisor-agnostic as a potential guideline14:25
mriedemmoving on,14:25
mriedem#link in-place numa rebuild
mriedemsean-k-mooney: ^14:25
mriedemi'm not sure why that's a blueprint rather than a bug?14:25
sean-k-mooneyya so its acatully 2 bugs14:26
gmannfor interop microversion, interop question was for corresponding tempest tests and we said we have exiting tests and if no tests then it can be added14:26
sean-k-mooneyi create a blue  pritn just to group them together14:26
sean-k-mooney is 99% of the work addressing
openstackLaunchpad bug 1763766 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "nova needs to disallow resource consumption changes on image rebuild" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to sean mooney (sean-k-mooney)14:26
sean-k-mooneythe final step is skiping the numa toplogy filer on rebuild14:27
efriedif it's bugs, do it as bugs, save some paperwork.14:27
mriedemyou also can't backport blueprints generally14:27
mriedemso i'd nack the blueprint14:27
sean-k-mooneyi just wanted to make sure people were ok with that apparch14:27
gibiif this is more than one bug I think having a bp helps to track the work14:27
dansmiththis is a pretty big change though14:27
dansmiththe bugs are more "this was never implemented" which we've previously said are not good bugs14:28
sean-k-mooneydansmith: not really well feature wise maybe14:28
sean-k-mooneycode wise its small14:28
dansmithsean-k-mooney: I know14:28
dansmithseems like a BP to me14:28
sean-k-mooneyya which is the main reason i filled the blueprint14:28
sean-k-mooneyso honestly i dont mind either way14:29
sean-k-mooneybut im tracking it as an RFE downstream14:29
mriedemregarding changing rebuild to explicitly fail,14:29
mriedemwe did that as a bug fix for volume-backed servers when the image changes,14:30
mriedembecause we used to silently allow that and the image in the root volume never changed and confused everyone14:30
mriedemis this like that?14:30
sean-k-mooneyyep exactly14:30
sean-k-mooneywe do a noop claim14:30
sean-k-mooneyso the numa toplogy does not change14:30
sean-k-mooneyuntill you do a move operation14:30
mriedembut the image might have a different topology14:30
mriedemi would only question if people have been relying on that behavior such that it's now a "feature",14:31
mriedemi.e. rebuild with new image with new topology and then migrate14:31
mriedemdansmith: is that your concern? ^14:32
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sean-k-mooneyi debated adding a workaround config option to allow that for backport reaons. but going forword i would prefer not to support that14:32
sean-k-mooneykind of like the numa migration14:32
dansmithmriedem: no, I don't really have any concerns, I just think that it makes sense to call this a blueprint/feature addition14:33
dansmith"foo is not implemented" is not a bug to me14:33
dansmithwhich we've said several times14:33
dansmithbut we've already spent too much time on it here, so I'd say call it a pink elephant if you want, let's just move on and do it14:34
mriedemok moving on, i left some thoughts in the patch14:34
mriedem(melwitt) requesting approval for specless blueprint:
melwittyeah, this is the same blueprint from last cycle that I had asked about. adding a new policy rule14:35
mriedemassuming melwitt's patch matches the conditions set in the blueprint whiteboard the last time we talked about this,14:35
mriedemi don't see why we wouln't approve14:35
melwittyes, the patch is implemented as described by mriedem in the bp whiteboard14:35
mriedemthen i'm +1 to approve14:36
mriedemgibi also said he was ok with it in the bp14:36
mriedemand i'm assuming efried is as well14:36
mriedemso barring any objections i'll approve after the meeting14:36
efriedgo for it14:36
melwittthank you14:37
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mriedem(stephenfin) approval for specless blueprint:
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gibiok with me14:37
stephenfinonly complication is that there's an API here14:37
stephenfinbut we've removed (HTTP Gone) nova-network APIs in the past without specs so it should be okay, imo14:38
melwittthis would be done similar to how you removed os-cells right? is there anything different14:38
mriedemjust a 410, it's the same14:38
stephenfinnah, same thing14:38
melwittok, then yeah seems fine to me14:38
mriedemBobBall said in the mailing list before/around the denver ptg that no one is probably using this right?14:38
stephenfincorrect. I've a patch up and have linked to those discussions from it14:38
mriedemof course we don't know who uses xenserver, they seem to randomly show up14:38
stephenfinwe also included it in reno, and they have another option (noVNC)14:39
mriedemthe only point i wasn't clear on from bob's email was a replacement for this14:39
melwittyeah what I recall from the ML thread, it is safe to remove and an old legacy thing14:39
mriedemalright so barring objections (again) i'll approve after the meeting14:39
mriedem(mriedem): Need to discuss options for
openstackLaunchpad bug 1847367 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Images with hw:vif_multiqueue_enabled can be limited to 8 queues even if more are supported" [Undecided,Confirmed]14:40
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mriedemso apparently we have hard-coded some tap queue limits in the libvirt driver vif module based on kernel version,14:40
sean-k-mooneymriedem: thats on my dodo list for this week14:40
mriedemkeep your doodoo to yourself sean14:40
efriedhah, I need to call it my dodo list. Work that's extinct.14:41
mriedembut centos has a patched kernel that allows more than what we have hard-coded14:41
mriedemi don't really want distro-specific checks in our code,14:41
sean-k-mooneyam its a long know bug14:41
sean-k-mooneybasically the limit should never have applied to vhost-user ports14:41
mriedemso another option is just having a workaround flag to allow deployers to set the value14:41
stephenfinyet another is that we just document this14:42
mriedemdocument what14:42
melwittis it an option that we expect to eventually remove? that's the usual condition for [workarounds]14:42
stephenfinthat some distros are broken14:42
stephenfinyou want the fix, go bug your vendor to backport the fix a lá CentOS14:42
stephenfinassuming I've understood it correctly14:42
sean-k-mooneywell the issue is that rhel/centos backported chagnes form the 4.x kernel14:42
stephenfinah, wait, yeah, other way round14:43
stephenfinignore me14:43
melwittI think it's the opposite? we hard-coded something based on kernel version14:43
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mriedemmelwitt: idk what the timeline would be for removal,14:43
sean-k-mooneyso we could add a workaorund flag for it as mriedem suggested14:43
mriedemwe don't really require min versions of kernels14:43
diconico07unless there is some procfile or sysfile magic to do here this is the best solution imo14:43
mriedemif not a workaround flag, it'd be a libvirt group flag14:43
mriedemi would default to None to let nova decide but allow you to override if you're using a patched kernel14:44
mriedemare people ok with that?14:44
sean-k-mooneythis is also applied to vhost-user ports today which it should nerver have been applie too so that is what i planned to work on tomorrow14:44
sean-k-mooneymriedem: that works for me14:45
mriedemsean-k-mooney: ok so you can mention vhostuser ports in the bug report i guess, sounds like those are separate changes14:45
melwittyeah. I can't decide whether it should be [workarounds] or not, but config option seems like the best way14:45
mriedem#agree add libvirt group option to override max tap limit for bug 184736714:45
openstackbug 1847367 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Images with hw:vif_multiqueue_enabled can be limited to 8 queues even if more are supported" [Undecided,Confirmed]
sean-k-mooneymriedem: we applie the kernel limit to vhoust-user ports too14:45
sean-k-mooneyso ya its a sperate but related issue14:45
sean-k-mooneymriedem: do you want me to take this14:45
mriedemsean-k-mooney: you're talking to me about this like i know anything about vhostuser limits and max tap queues14:45
sean-k-mooneysince i was going to fix it for vhostuser anyway14:45
mriedemmoving on14:45
mriedemsean-k-mooney: separate bugs14:46
mriedemjust report a different bug14:46
mriedem(mriedem): Do we have a particular stance on features to the libvirt  driver for non-integration tested configurations, e.g. lxc [ ] and xen [  ], meaning if they are trivial enough do we just say the driver's  quality warning on startup is sufficient to let them land since these  are changes from casual contributors scratching an itch?14:46
mriedemmaybe ^ should be in the ML14:46
efriedyeah, that's a weird one.14:47
mriedembut these examples seem trivial enough to me to fall under part-time hobby contributor scratching an itch14:47
stephenfinprobably, yeah14:47
melwittyeah, maybe good for ML14:47
mriedemso saying "3rd party ci or die" won't fly14:47
stephenfinbut with that said14:47
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melwittand I agree, if trivial then ok to land14:47
stephenfinif it doesn't impact _other_ drivers, go nuts, I say14:47
mriedem#action mriedem to ask on the ML about accepting trivial feature patches for driver configs that don't get integration testing14:48
diconico07There is already a notice saying these drivers aren't integration tested14:48
mriedemi know, hence the "quality warning" thing in my line above14:48
clarkbalso we can test lc and xen upstream I think (xen might require some hax though)14:48
mriedemclarkb: "can" and "who is going to do and maintain that" are different things14:48
sean-k-mooneyclarkb: we could test xen more siplely if we had a xen image/lable14:49
mriedemmoving on,14:49
mriedemfinal item,14:49
mriedem(melwitt): requesting approval for specless blueprint:
mriedemmelwitt: i left a comment in there,14:49
clarkbI get that but telling soneone they can write a job is way easier that run an entore ci system14:49
mriedemsmells like a bug14:49
melwittI MLed about this awhile back14:49
melwittorly? I'm happy to treat it as a bug14:50
mriedemthe bug is that these records pile up and you have to go directly to the db to clean them up14:50
mriedemit's somewhere in between a super low priority bug and a feature i guess14:50
mriedemanyway, i'd probably just create a wishlist bug for it? idk what others think14:51
melwittour customers are using the task_log stuff by way of telemetry always enabling the audit API, so we have a lot of people affected by the record build up. and there are enough of them not otherwise truncating the table, it's all been one-offs14:51
mriedemwe don't have great process rules around adding ops tooling things for nova clis14:51
melwittok. I'm good either way so if ppl prefer a wishlist bug, I can do that14:51
mriedemi'm ok with a bug but others can overrule14:51
mriedemmaybe lobby for opions in -nova after the meeting, let efried decide14:52
mriedemanything else?14:52
mriedemok thanks for hanging in there everyone14:52
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efriedmriedem: thanks for covering.14:53
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gagehugo#startmeeting security15:01
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gagehugo#link agenda15:01
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gagehugolight agenda today15:03
fungii've been wrapped up in other things this past week, so not sure what there is to discuss15:05
fungithough we skipped last week15:05
gagehugoa busy october unfortunately15:05
fungiso we could talk about the octavia ossa15:06
fungithat was week before last15:06
fungi#link OSSA-2019-005: Octavia Amphora-Agent not requiring Client-Certificate15:07
fungii thought this was actually a really cool first15:07
gagehugoyeah, the team there managed the process themselves for the most part15:07
fungithe octavia team followed the openstack vmt's process themselves, since that deliverable doesn't have a vulnerability:managed governance tag15:07
fungiso, yeah, the vmt just reviewed the ossa, octavia took care of the rest15:08
fungiit can't have been easy, so big kudos to them15:08
njohnstonfungi: I'll pass it on!  Very cool.15:08
* njohnston works closely with those folks15:09
fungialso i think it's our first ossa to link a story in storyboard instead of a bug in launchpad15:09
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fungiin more general news, there's quite a few patches proposed/merged/released for security hardening opportunities this month:15:11
funginot sure if anyone has any in particular they want to call out15:12
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fungi#link CSV Injection Possible in Compute Usage History15:13
openstackLaunchpad bug 1842749 in OpenStack Dashboard (Horizon) "CSV Injection Possible in Compute Usage History" [High,Fix released] - Assigned to Adam Harwell (adam-harwell)15:13
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fungithat one was determined to be a security hardening opportunity 5 days ago, and the fix for it merged to master a few days later15:14
* gagehugo will take a look15:15
gagehugooh that's the windows one15:15
fungiyeah, i thought that was a rather obscure report, but nice to see folks thinking creatively about attack vectors15:16
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gagehugoyeah, it's valid15:18
fungiwhat with everyone focused on train release prep the past few weeks, i expect there's just not much for us to talk about today15:21
gagehugoanything else for this week?15:21
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gagehugoWe can go ahead and cancel the meeting during the summit as well15:21
fungithat's likely for the best. thursday the 7th15:22
fungiof november15:23
fungii also doubt i'll be around for the meeting thursday october 31st as i'll be on my way to catch a flight to shanghai15:23
fungitechnically the one on november 7 is during the ptg not the summit, but close enough15:24
gagehugoI'll also be out the 21st of Nov15:24
fungiit's getting to be that time of year15:24
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gagehugowinter is coming15:25
fungiso anyway, plan to meet next week as usual, i'll miss the week after that, and then the following week is summit/ptg15:25
gagehugosounds good15:25
gagehugoanything else? floor is open15:26
gagehugothanks everyone, have a good rest of the week!15:28
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fungithanks gagehugo!15:29
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SotK#startmeeting storyboard18:02
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SotK#topic Agenda18:02
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diablo_rojoHeh, you mean link? ;)18:03
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SotKits that kind of day18:03
SotK#link Agenda18:03
diablo_rojoNailed it :)18:04
SotKno announcements this week, and I assume the same for migration updates, since attachments aren't done yet18:04
SotK#topic PTG + Forum18:06
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SotK#link Schedule18:06
SotKwe are on the schedule!18:06
SotK10:30am on Wednesday18:06
SotKthanks for organising that diablo_rojo18:06
diablo_rojoNo problem18:06
diablo_rojoWe've got two hours18:06
diablo_rojoI figured that should be alright.18:06
funginow if i just manage to get a visa so diablo_rojo isn't left answering questions alone18:06
diablo_rojoif we need more time we can always get more time friday18:07
diablo_rojofungi, you assume they will actually honor my 10 year visa ;)18:07
SotKI will be asleep I'm afraid18:08
fungii'll be struggling to stay awake18:08
diablo_rojoSotK, no worries. I will give you the lowdown at the next meeting or right after18:08
diablo_rojofungi, you and me both18:08
fungino coffee allowed in the ptg rooms! :/18:08
diablo_rojofungi, yeah. Not sure how this venue gets away with that.18:09
SotKdiablo_rojo: thanks18:09
diablo_rojoSotK, no problem18:09
SotKanything else PTGish to discuss?18:10
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diablo_rojoEhhh I dont think so.18:11
diablo_rojoIts going to be a wait and see sort of thing18:11
diablo_rojoSee who shows up that is18:11
SotKmakes sense18:12
SotKhopefully it goes well :)18:12
SotK#topic In Progress Work18:12
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SotKto answer the question on the agenda, attachments are indeed still waiting for me18:12
diablo_rojoI guess we could send an email out to the discuss list annoucing we are doing onboarding there.18:12
SotKthat's a good idea18:12
diablo_rojoI can do that in like a week or so.18:13
diablo_rojoSotK, is there anything we can do to help?18:13
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SotKthe main thing that needs doing is replacing swiftclient with openstack-sdk, but when I last tried openstack-sdk didn't work with the legacy swift auth used by the swift docker container I was using for testing18:15
fungiahh, yeah, it probably wants keystone?18:16
SotKyeah I expect so18:16
SotKso its a matter of me hunting down some alternatives that allow me to set up keystone and swift for testing easily and reliably, ideally in docker with the rest of the things18:17
diablo_rojoOkay so kinda sounds like a one person job then?18:19
fungithere's likely already something like that available which zuul is using to test their swift integration18:19
fungiso may not require much hunting18:20
SotKsounds probable, I'll try to find time to look/ask about what they're doing soon and get things moving again18:20
fungiwe can inquire in #zuul and probably get an answer, or i can go diving in the job configs18:20
SotKasking sounds easier, lets do it after this meeting I guess18:21
SotKwe also still have slow queries18:23
SotKiirc the worst offender was the general story browsing query, which makes sense18:23
SotKI've not done any drilling down into the details of why though18:23
diablo_rojoIf you want to try to point me somewhere to investigate I can try to info gather for you.18:24
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fungiif someone can give me the syntax for triggering that via the api, it'll probably speed up my ability to test the cache memory pressure theories too18:26
SotKI *think* the massive query was just the standard one generated by doing a GET on /api/v1/stories?limit=100 (with whatever extra filtering you fancy)18:28
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SotKmy first port of call was going to be seeding my dev instance with enough data to replicate the slowness we see in production, and then experiment with changing
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SotKand/or adding some indexes to the relevant tables18:30
SotK(on task status for example)18:30
fungicool, that helps18:30
fungirunning `time wget -qO/dev/null ''` gets me a baseline of "real 0m6.058s" at the moment18:31
fungiafter the meeting i'll run a battery of those and take averages before and after restarts of apache, mysql and rabbit18:32
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diablo_rojoSounds like a good plan to me.18:32
SotKnice, thanks18:32
fungias well as record the timestamps so we can correlate to cacti graphs of memory utilization18:32
fungi(and i'll get some direct memory utilization numbers from the server before and after each as well)18:32
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diablo_rojoDo we want to throw all this research in a single etherpad?18:33
diablo_rojoI feel like it would be good to have it all + links to other slowquery logs in a single place.18:34
fungii'll start doing it there18:34
diablo_rojoThanks fungi!18:35
SotKthe agenda also mentions the multiple task race condition issue18:36
SotKiirc we fixed that but caused a new bug with the fix18:36
SotKI think we'd come up with a solution but will need to dig in IRC logs to remember properly I expect18:36
diablo_rojoOh okay I forgot the solution.18:37
diablo_rojoIf we have one I can try to implement it.18:37
fungiyeah, i think the beer got to those memory cells for me18:38
diablo_rojoI would blame it on the 'too many things at once' state I live in18:38
fungiwould similarly need to go hunting for discussion or at least the commit we thought was fixing it18:38
fungiwas the fix one which came from an intern or prospective intern? i want to say it was18:38
diablo_rojoOh maybe18:39
diablo_rojoI feel like I should do a pass over all the open patches from outreachy folks18:40
diablo_rojoreviews + updates18:40
SotKyeah, we just added an oslo_db decorator that handles retrying on deadlock18:40
diablo_rojoOh thats easy.18:40
SotKbut it moved the issue to somewhere else18:40
fungii think it had to do with it all happening within a transaction?18:41
SotKyeah, something along those lines18:41
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fungiso retrying didn't help because it was all in the context of the same transaction18:41
diablo_rojoThat makes sense18:42
fungibut also, retrying in the face of contention is a hack18:43
diablo_rojoYeah would be better to know what exactly is causing it.18:43
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fungiand i believe if that *had* actually "worked" it would have just shifted the limit on number of simultaneous tasks you can create to the number of retries you perform18:43
fungiso if you try 3 times then you'll break on simultaneous creation of 4 tasks18:45
funginot really a solution18:45
timburkeSotK, just catching up, but fwiw, swiftclient offers a v1password plugin for keystoneauth; i know i've had some success using it with openstackclient... might need though. but if the goal is to get rid of swiftclient *entirely*... i might not be in a position to help much ;-)18:46
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fungii think the goal was to simplify testing/local dev implementation18:46
fungibut the result is going to need to work with clouds which provide keystone authentication, so we're probably better off doing a keystone+swift for that testing anyway18:47
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SotKindeed, keystone + swift makes sense really18:51
SotKwe also wanted to discuss the js draft build issue18:51
diablo_rojo(8 min left)18:52
fungiyeah, i can cover that real quick18:52
diablo_rojoYes please18:52
fungisince opendev moved from hosting build artifacts/logs on a static server to publishing them to (swift) object storage, we can no longer easily predict what hostnames those are going to be served from18:52
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fungithe storyboard api is currently designed to require you to whitelist the domain names of such deployments both for cors middleware and for openid auth18:53
fungibecause those domains are unpredictable, and because the storyboard-dev deployment they point to is not supposed to be used for sensitive information, i would like to basically turn off the cors and openid whitelisting for it18:54
fungithe easiest practical means of doing that is to allow the config fields for those to accept a wildcard indicator18:54
fungias a naive first implementation i'd like to just make them consider '*' to mean any hostname should be considered valid18:55
SotKthat seems like a good enough solution to me18:55
fungiit seems there was no disagreement in #storyboard when i suggested that, i just need to write the implementation. i've found what i believe are the affected codepaths18:56
fungiso it shouldn't take long18:56
fungibut would be nice to prioritize reviews of that once i get it proposed18:56
fungias i gather it's blocking us from having confidence in our reviews of webclient changes18:57
fungi(also i think the change will be pretty simple)18:57
fungianyway, that's all i've got on that topic18:57
SotKthanks fungi18:57
SotKI'll prioritize reviewing them when they're ready18:57
fungiappreciated. i'll try to get to that tomorrow18:58
diablo_rojoI am happy to review once I see the patches go up18:58
diablo_rojoSotK, after the meeting (while pinging the Zuul channel) would you mind reviewing that last show email patch I have out so that we can merge it?18:58
diablo_rojo(assuming its okay)18:58
SotKdiablo_rojo: yeah sure18:59
SotKand we're pretty much out of time, thanks for coming folks18:59
fungiyeah, attempting to review that is what reminded me of the draft breakage18:59
diablo_rojoSotK, ^^18:59
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diablo_rojofungi, ahhhh yeah that makes sense19:00
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fungithanks SotK!19:00
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