Tuesday, 2019-11-12

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tpatil#startmeeting masakari04:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Nov 12 04:00:19 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is tpatil. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.04:00
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tpatilRoll call?04:01
tpatilToday Sampath is unavailable so I will chair today's meeting04:01
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tpatil#topic Roll Call04:02
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shilpasdtpatil: GM04:03
tpatilshilpasd: Hi04:04
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tpatil#topic Ussuri work items04:07
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tpatilBlueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/masakari/+spec/default-value-of-ha-enabled-instance-metadata04:07
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tpatilHere, if HA_Enabled metadata key is not set to the instance, then by default considered as False and if evacuate_all_instances is set to True,  all instances from the failed compute host will be evacuated04:09
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tpatil#link : http://paste.openstack.org/show/785957/04:12
tpatilI have included the information in the paste to describe how it's going to work04:13
tpatil#action: Sampath to confirm if the information included in the paste is correct04:13
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shilpasdtpatil: so priority is given to 'HA_Enabled' flag04:15
tpatil#action: tpatil to add a new specs to implement the above blurprint04:15
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tpatilYes, if HA_Enabled is True, it will evacuate that instance04:16
tpatilAnother work item: Evacuate non-recovery (’HA_enabled = False’) instances in shutoff status at host failure except specified tenants04:16
tpatil#link : https://blueprints.launchpad.net/masakari/+spec/evacuate-non-recovery-instances-in-shutoff-status-at-host-failure-except-specified-tenants04:16
tpatilI have understood about introducing another new config option to tell masakari engine to evacuate the instance to shutoff state if HA_Enabled metadata set to the instance is False.04:17
tpatilSecond part of this blueprint is not clear about adding new config option to specify tenants04:18
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tpatil#action: tpatil to check with samP about this particular requirement04:19
tpatilI will write specs for this blueprint as well04:19
tpatilThese are the two work items I'm planning to add in Ussuri release04:20
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tpatilAnyone who wants to contribute feature for Ussuri release?04:24
tpatil#topic Current open patches04:28
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tpatil#link: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/675734/04:28
tpatilI have discussed with samP about the comment posted by me on PS 104:30
tpatiland he said that FQDN will be used for adding nodes to pacemaker. I will check with him again and then update my comment on the patch04:31
tpatil#action tpatil to discuss with samP about comment from author on patch 67573404:32
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tpatil#topic Open discussion04:35
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tpatilIf no topics for discussion let's end this meeting04:37
tpatilThank you all for joining this meeting04:39
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slaweq#startmeeting neutron_ci16:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Nov 12 16:00:30 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is slaweq. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
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slaweqralonsoh: njohnston bcafarel: CI meeting, are You around?16:01
slaweqwelcome back after the ptg :)16:02
slaweqI think I finally recovered from jet lag and (very long) trip16:02
slaweqlet's start the meeting than16:03
slaweqGrafana dashboard: http://grafana.openstack.org/dashboard/db/neutron-failure-rate16:03
slaweqplease open it now and we can move forward16:03
slaweq#topic Actions from previous meetings16:03
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slaweqslaweq to investigate failed neutron.tests.fullstack.test_qos.TestDscpMarkingQoSOvs16:04
slaweqI tried but there is no logs available anymore. So I though that if this will happen again, I will get back to it.16:05
slaweqand I just found new occurence of this issue today16:05
slaweqhttps://b56892e10e3e61a452c2-e4b54cf82b19c70bded9dbfe71e9b8f5.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.com/601336/41/check/neutron-fullstack/cfd8a8e/controller/logs/dsvm-fullstack-logs/TestDscpMarkingQoSLinuxbridge.test_dscp_marking_packets.txt.gz so I will investigate it now16:05
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slaweq#action slaweq to investigate failed neutron.tests.fullstack.test_qos.TestDscpMarkingQoSOvs16:05
slaweqnext one was16:06
slaweqslaweq to check strange "EVENT OVSNeutronAgentOSKenApp->ofctl_service GetDatapathRequest send_event" log lines in neutron.tests.functional.agent.l2.extensions.test_ovs_agent_qos_extension.TestOVSAgentQosExtension.test_port_creation_with_dscp_marking16:06
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slaweqI checked it a bit but I don't know exactly what happend there. It seems for me that it probably didn't create br-tun properly and was still trying to get dp id for it. If this will happen more often, I will investigate again...16:07
slaweqnext one16:08
slaweqralonsoh to open LP about adding OF monitor to functional tests16:08
ralonsohthe OF monitor review is still pending16:09
slaweqthx, I will review it this week for sure16:10
ralonsohslaweq, https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/184850016:10
openstackLaunchpad bug 1848500 in neutron "Implement an OpenFlow monitor" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Rodolfo Alonso (rodolfo-alonso-hernandez)16:10
slaweqand thx for reporting it on LP too16:10
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slaweqnext one16:10
slaweqnjohnston prepare etherpad to track stadium progress for zuul v3 job definition and py2 support drop16:11
njohnstonI'll be working on that this week16:12
slaweqnjohnston: ok, thx16:12
slaweq#action njohnston prepare etherpad to track stadium progress for zuul v3 job definition and py2 support drop16:12
slaweqok, next one16:12
slaweqslaweq to send patch to remove py27 jobs from grafana16:12
slaweqPatch https://review.opendev.org/#/c/691973/16:13
slaweqit is already merged16:13
slaweqnext one16:13
slaweqslaweq to open LP related to "AttributeError: 'str' object has no attribute 'content_type'" error16:13
slaweqBug https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/185055816:13
openstackLaunchpad bug 1850558 in neutron ""AttributeError: 'str' object has no attribute 'content_type' in functional tests" [Medium,Fix released] - Assigned to Rodolfo Alonso (rodolfo-alonso-hernandez)16:13
slaweqit is already fixed by ralonsoh16:13
slaweqthx ralonsoh for taking care of it16:14
slaweqand the last one:16:14
slaweqslaweq to report LP about connectivity issues after resize/migration16:14
slaweq    Bug reported https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/185055716:14
openstackLaunchpad bug 1850557 in neutron "DHCP connectivity after migration/resize not working" [Medium,Confirmed]16:14
slaweqthis may be similar issue like described in https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/184947916:15
openstackLaunchpad bug 1849479 in neutron "neutron l2 to dhcp lost when migrating in stable/stein 14.0.2" [Medium,New] - Assigned to Slawek Kaplonski (slaweq)16:15
slaweqbut I didn't have any time to work on it16:15
slaweqmaybe I will have some time next week16:15
slaweqbut if anyone else wants to take a look, feel free to take it :)16:15
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slaweq#action slaweq to take a look at connectivity issues after resize/migration16:17
slaweqok, that's all from last meeting16:17
slaweqlets move on16:17
slaweq#topic Stadium projects16:17
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slaweqthere is no any update on moving tempest plugins to neutron-tempest-plugin16:17
slaweqwe still need to delete old tests from neutron-dynamic-routing repo (step 2) and do both steps for vpnaas16:18
slaweqand I think that we can also use this topic to track progress on dropping py2 support and migration to zuulv316:19
njohnstonI can do the n-d-r deletion16:19
slaweqbut this will start next week16:19
slaweqnjohnston: thx a lot16:19
njohnston#action njohnston delete old tests from neutron-dynamic-routing repo16:19
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slaweqanything else You want to add regarding stadium projects?16:22
njohnstonwe'll see if any of the puppies don't get adopted, that could make stadium maintenance easier16:23
slaweqnjohnston: yes16:23
slaweqI will send emails about them later this week16:23
slaweqbut we will have to wait until around Ussuri-2 with deprecation of some of them maybe16:23
slaweqok, lets move on16:24
slaweq#topic Grafana16:24
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slaweqone problem which I see is that neutron-tempest-plugin-dvr-multinode-scenario (non-voting) failing 100% times again16:26
njohnstonyes, also the periodic jobs for os-ken seem to be having issues (I forget if we talked about this already)16:28
slaweqyes, but this is os-ken with neutron-dynamic-routing16:28
slaweqand this one is broken since few days16:28
slaweqlet me find LP16:28
njohnstonnot just that, also looks like every other run of neutron-tempest-with-os-ken-master too16:29
openstackLaunchpad bug 1850626 in neutron "neutron-dynamic-routing: TypeError: bind() takes 4 positional arguments but 5 were given" [Critical,Confirmed] - Assigned to Slawek Kaplonski (slaweq)16:29
njohnston4 fails out of the last 7 tries for neutron-tempest-with-os-ken-master16:30
slaweqnjohnston: yes, once it was global timeout16:31
slaweqonce some invalid backup error from cinder16:31
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slaweqonce some timeout when processing neutron request16:32
slaweqso there are various random issues there16:32
slaweqI think that we should first move this job from legacy to zuulv316:32
slaweqand than maybe run only neutron related tests on it16:32
njohnstonmakes sense16:32
slaweqthan it should be hopefully better16:32
slaweqI will take care of this16:33
slaweq#action slaweq to move neutron-tempest-with-os-ken-master to zuulv3 syntax and switch to run neutron related tests only16:33
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slaweqanything else related to grafana do You have maybe?16:35
slaweqif not, I think we can continue with next topics16:35
njohnstongo ahead :-)16:35
slaweqthx :)16:36
slaweq#topic fullstack/functional16:36
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slaweqI found only one new issue in functional tests16:36
slaweqdid You maybe saw something like that before?16:36
njohnstonno, never seena. timeout there16:38
slaweqlogstash also shows only this one occurence of such issue16:39
slaweqso I don't think it is really need now to report it and spend time on it now16:39
slaweqlets see if that will happen more often16:40
slaweqdo You agree?16:40
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slaweqok, lets move on16:41
slaweq#topic Tempest/Scenario16:41
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slaweqI found few issues from last week16:41
slaweqfirst of all, funny issue with tempest-slow-py316:41
slaweqit seems that on compute node it still runs on python 2.716:41
slaweqI found it where I checked logs: https://ba2b4fc750309c3f0760-e6e77a9441ae9cccde1b8ed58f97fc24.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.com/690098/6/check/tempest-slow-py3/4a5cd35/compute1/logs/screen-q-agt.txt.gz16:42
slaweqon controller node py36 is used already16:42
slaweqI will propose patch to fix that this week16:42
slaweq#action slaweq to fix python version in tempest-slow-py3 job16:44
slaweqfrom other issues, I checked why this dvr mutltinode jobs is failing 100% of times16:44
slaweqit seems that it is failing every time on neutron_tempest_plugin.scenario.test_migration.NetworkMigrationFromHA tests16:44
slaweq    I think this is related (again) to some wrong rootwrap filters:16:45
slaweq    https://12dcf03ddbc1f4ac6c48-3214406b4544fce2f9d807df6ea4fe3f.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.com/677166/13/check/neutron-tempest-plugin-dvr-multinode-scenario/31d556c/compute1/logs/screen-q-l3.txt.gz16:45
slaweqanyone wants to investigate or should I assign it to my self?16:45
njohnstonnot sure I will have time, so I don't want to commit,. but I will try16:45
slaweqthx njohnston16:46
slaweqI will assign it to You just as a reminder16:46
njohnstonsounds good16:46
slaweq#action njohnston to check failing NetworkMigrationFromHA in multinode dvr job16:46
slaweqand that's all from what I have for today16:46
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slaweqaccording to our discussion during PTG, this and next week I will spend some time on cleaning some of the jobs from our ci16:47
slaweqand on checking multi/single node jobs to check if we can replace some single node jobs with multinode jobs16:47
slaweqif I will have anything like that to review, I will ping You16:47
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slaweqand if one of You can +W on https://review.opendev.org/#/c/681202/3 that would be great :)16:48
slaweqbut it's not urgent as I just noticed that depends-on devstack patch needs some additional work16:49
slaweqthx njohnston :)16:49
slaweqdo You have anything else to talk about today?16:49
njohnstonnope!  quiet week with the Forum and PTG.16:50
slaweqso I think we can finish a bit earlier today16:50
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slaweqthx for attending the meeting16:50
slaweqand have a great day16:50
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clarkbanyone else here for the infra meeting?18:59
clarkbWe'll get started shortly18:59
* fungi raises a hand18:59
clarkb#startmeeting infra19:01
openstackMeeting started Tue Nov 12 19:01:20 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is clarkb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:01
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clarkb#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2019-November/006509.html Our Agenda19:01
clarkb#topic Announcements19:01
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clarkbLast week was the summit. I am feeling extra zombie like after that trip. The jet lag has been harsh. I expect others are in a similar position19:02
* fungi mutters, "braiiiiins..."19:02
fungisome folks are still vacationing/travelling too19:03
clarkb#topic Actions from last meeting19:03
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clarkb#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2019/infra.2019-10-29-19.01.txt minutes from last meeting19:04
clarkbThe last meeting was a long time ago, no actions recorded19:04
clarkb#topic Priority Efforts19:05
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clarkb#topic OpenDev19:05
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clarkbWe need to renew the opendev.org cert19:05
clarkbI think we can manage to do that via LE now19:05
clarkbwe'll just need a handler that restarts gitea backends when the cert updates (and maybe we can serialize those?)19:05
clarkbfiguring that out is likely to be my tomorrow task19:06
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clarkband we have plenty of time to sort it out and if we can't for whatever reason can always buy another cert for a yer19:06
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fungiyeah, it's still something like 2.5 weeks out19:07
ianwi guess each gitea host will have it's own cert?19:07
clarkbianw: yes I think so19:07
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fungias long as le doesn't scoff at 8 hosts requesting ssl certs for the same name19:08
clarkbthat should be well within the rate limits iirc.19:09
ianwfungi: i don't think it will matter; each will get a different txt value to put into _acme-challenge, and it should "just work"19:09
ianwfamous last words :)19:09
fungithat'll presumably be easier than refactoring things to have ssl terminated on the lb19:10
clarkbwe can also have an altname that matches each backend specifically to help distinguish them?19:10
clarkbthat may also make LE happier if the records are different each time19:10
fungiif it works the way we've done it for other services, i think that happens by default19:11
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clarkb#topic Update Config Management19:14
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clarkbI'm not sure this has been called out elsewhere yet but was mentioned at the PTG. Apparently mordred thinks we shouldn't wholesale move to podman yet19:14
AJaegeroh, why?19:15
clarkbwe'll be getting dev builds via the ubuntu ppa for podman and some commands don't work as before. Idea is to try it a bit first with review(-dev)19:15
AJaegerso, "compatibility" ?19:15
clarkbI think we are happy with compatibility since rhel8 docker command is podman so it must be fairly compatible. More just that we aren't sure if the dev packaging from the ppa poses any concerns yet and users will need to get back to using docker commands instead of docker-compose commands and so on19:16
clarkbThen when we are happy with the results we can do broader changes19:17
AJaegerI see...19:17
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fungilack of an interleaved log viewer was noted as an unfortunate loss for switching away from docker-compose19:17
clarkbAnything else on this topic or should we move on?19:19
* fungi has nothing19:19
ianwso for new work, like testing out the nodepool-builder images, should we use docker or podman?19:19
ianwor in that case, does it not matter so much?19:19
clarkbianw: aiui mordred thinks we should use docker for now and keep podman to review(-dev)19:19
clarkbbut I may have misunderstood and maybe he meant just don't go changing existing docker usage yet19:20
clarkbmy hunch is that its probably ok for any new use of containers19:20
clarkb#topic Storyboard19:22
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clarkbfungi: ^ anything new from storyboard? I expect not given the summit19:23
fungithere was an sb onboarding session at the ptg, but nobody showed up so diablo_rojo_phon and tonyb turned it into an openstack technical election officials working session19:23
fungiother than that, nothing new i'm aware of19:23
clarkb#topic General topics19:24
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clarkb#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/OpenDev-Shanghai-PTG-2019 PTG Notes19:24
clarkbI/we tried to take notes at the summit/forum/ptg19:24
clarkbThe item on my todo list before opendev.org LE certification is to write up a summary and send it to the infra list19:25
clarkbI did want to point out that the etherpad is there for people to browse too and that if you have questions about specific topics feel free to ping me nowish and I'll add it to the summary or you can followup on that thread when it exists19:25
clarkbOur meeting with the gitea maintainers went well. We were able to show them some of our build and test tooling to test out the elasticsearch indexing19:26
clarkbfrom that we discovered that the china golang and google golang proxies had different content for the CORS package :/19:27
fungithat's scary19:27
clarkbthey also acknowledged that the performance issues we've hit are a major problem and they have other users struggling with that too. I hope that means we continue to see improvements with performance19:27
fungithough we also upgraded19:28
fungiand the new version should have at least some performance improvement over what we were running before last week19:29
clarkbAlso their community is largely on discord and is activ ethere if we want to communicate with them further19:30
clarkbI've got a discord account somewhere, but I should prbably set that up for gitea now19:31
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clarkband I'll try to write all this up properly between now and tomorrow sometime19:32
clarkbfungi: seems like there were wiki changes prior to leaving for the summit. Were you able to check on those?19:32
fungii mean yep some changes merged, nope i did not find time yet to follow up further19:33
clarkbFor static.openstack.org mnaser volunteered to do the job changes on the openstack side of things19:34
clarkbianw: AJaeger ^ I think that means our next step is to create afs volumes, then mnaser can upate jobs to publish to afs and static.o.o, we verify content, then flip things over site by site?19:35
AJaegerclarkb: I did the first jobs already, happy to hear that mnaser will do the rest!19:35
AJaegerclarkb: https://review.opendev.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/project-config+branch:master+topic:static-services19:35
ianwok, i can look at the volumes for ^19:35
AJaegergetting those jobs done helped to answer a couple of questions and finish the spec ;)19:36
clarkbI think we should be able to have both sites exist in parallel and then flip dns when we are happy with the new side of things19:36
AJaegerplease check also whether those jobs are really doing what we wanted19:36
clarkbAnd finally we get to ask.openstack.org19:38
clarkb#link http://paste.openstack.org/show/785843/ Some logs19:38
clarkbthese logs (that frickler collected?) seem to show there are segfaults19:38
ianw"or similar nasty error"19:40
ianwthat's oddly unspecific19:40
clarkbone thing we can try if it is the log rotate that causes this is to ensure we are using copy truncate19:41
clarkband not the rotate in place behavior19:41
ianwsystemd-sysv-generator[6394]: Overwriting existing symlink /run/systemd/generator.late/jetty8.service with real service.19:42
ianwwhat does that mean?19:42
ianwit must be coming from puppet, it's very frequent19:42
clarkbianw: if jetty is a sysv init script that may be a result of it setting up the compat shims19:43
ianwthere's a /etc/init.d/jetty8~ file19:45
ianwi've removed that19:45
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ianw /etc/init.d/jetty is a symlink to /etc/init.d/jetty819:46
ianwistr doing that as a total hack on the xenial upgrade19:46
ianwhttps://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/tree/src/sysv-generator/sysv-generator.c?id=4e5589836c9e143796c3f3d81e67ab7a9209e2b0#n166 suggests it's the backup file though19:47
clarkbI've not yet had time to look myself other than reading that paste of logs quickly19:49
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clarkbI'll add it to the todo list to see if anything obvious jumps out at me though19:49
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clarkb#topic Open Discussion19:50
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clarkbAnything else?19:50
ianwi'll try and keep an eye too ... but this server really does hang on by a thread :/19:50
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clarkber yeah19:50
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fungii've got nothing else19:51
clarkbAs mentioned before the jet lag has been harsh. I'm trying to get back to a normal schedule but haven't quite managed it yet so will be in and out while I nap :)19:51
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openstackMeeting ended Tue Nov 12 19:54:09 2019 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)19:54
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clarkbThank you everyone19:54
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AJaegerthanks, clarkb !19:54
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oneswigready to rumble?21:00
rbuddenoh yeah21:00
oneswig#startmeeting scientific-sig21:00
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martial(rumble rumble)21:00
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oneswig#link Agenda for today https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_SIG#IRC_Meeting_November_12th_201921:01
oneswig#chair martial21:01
openstackCurrent chairs: martial oneswig21:01
oneswighey martial21:01
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oneswigHow's things y'all?21:02
martialthings are good, busy :)21:02
martialand getting ready SC19-rumble too !21:02
oneswigawesome.  What day is the BoF again?21:03
rbuddendoing alright. busy. trying to the flu my son has attempted to bring back from daycare a second time ;) SC19 ahead!21:03
rbudden*to avoid*21:03
oneswig*I'm prepared, honestly*21:03
rbuddenWed 5:15pm21:03
martialso, Stig, back from China ... how was it?21:04
oneswigIt was an interesting one.  Quite a clash of culturs.21:04
oneswigSome oddly officious stuff - to get into the conference each day, passports and bag x-ray, like going through an airport.21:04
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oneswigThe dual-language schedule worked sometimes, people made effort to make it work.21:05
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martialoh wow did not realize it was going to be that different21:07
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rbuddenyeah, i didn’t hear about that21:07
rbuddenhow’d that work?21:07
oneswigOne of the Chinese language keynote speakers appeared to have an interesting take on the benefits of open source to the Chinese nation21:07
martialsuch as?21:07
oneswigThe plenary sessions had translators.  Everything else, you made a guess about what language it was going to be in.21:07
martialor should I not ask?21:07
oneswigThere was a talk in chinese that I couldn't follow and wish I could have, on Tik-Tok (the video sharing site), and how they are using mlnx offloads.21:08
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oneswigDid you see the graphic Marco Passerini shared on the leading vendors for OpenStack deployments?21:09
oneswigmartial: live translation worked well enough.  Some amusing mis-translations (eg "bare metal" -> "naked machines")21:11
martialwhat was the link?21:11
martialfunny indeed:)21:11
oneswigIt was on slack earlier, don't have it to hand21:11
oneswigOverall numbers were about the same as Denver I think21:12
oneswigI think there was potential for much higher numbers (OpenStack days in Chinese cities are bigger than that), it'll be an interesting discussion point in the wash-up from this summit21:13
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martialseems a little sad given how many of the usual crowd was unable to attend21:14
martialwhere is the next one?21:14
oneswigThere was a frequent theme in the talks, where one presenter would say "my colleagues couldn't join me because..."21:14
oneswigNext event's Vancouver again, but a tech summit without marketplace.21:14
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rbuddenoh wow, Vancouver again21:14
martialVancouver is a good one21:14
oneswigI think then Europe again around this time next year21:14
jmloweWait, did the next summit get announced?21:15
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jmlowesorry, almost missed the meeting due to daylight savings change21:15
oneswigKind of.  I missed the announcement because the keynotes overran and I wanted to go to some forum sessions.21:15
oneswigHi jmlowe, no worries.21:15
jmloweLooking forward to seeing a number of you next week21:16
oneswigI haven't seen the plan for next year online anywhere21:16
oneswigjmlowe: me too.  Didn't have a ticket for a bit earlier this week, which was... interesting.  I think I never got the mails from spargo with the ticket details.21:17
oneswigI have it now.21:17
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oneswigmartial: do you use Grafana?21:17
oneswigIs it part of a Data Machines product?21:17
martialit is part of the tool set we have indeed21:18
martialalso prometheus21:19
oneswigThere was some concern in the corridors about changes to the t&cs here https://grafana.com/trademark-policy/ which mean products incorporating grafana now require the written permission of grafana labs.21:19
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martialoh weird21:19
oneswigindeed, weird.  We don't make a product so the details somewhat passed me by.21:20
martialhow do you define "incorporating"? ... started as part of a docker-compose?21:20
oneswigI would have thought more generally than that. If it's installed as part of something you sell.21:21
martialwe do not sell products per say so still kind of hard to "grasp" but thanks will pass the info along21:21
martialwas Blair there with you?21:21
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oneswigNo, not this time.  Sam Morrison and Andy Botting were holding the fort for the antipodeans, did a great job.21:22
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oneswigThe major disappointment for the SIG was the scheduling of SIG time.  It was a table in the PTG, which meant there weren't many operators around.  But also, there were almost no locals in the PTG.  And there wasn't a cross-project time when (eg) the Ironic cores could come along and join in.21:24
oneswigAs a result, there were ~4 of us compared with ~100 on a good summit.21:24
jmloweIt's so much easier for a number of us to go to, well, anywhere but China21:26
oneswigjmlowe: yeah, that was a running theme.21:27
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martialstill a bummer21:28
trandlesHi folks21:29
oneswigI hope the foundation managed to stir up some interest in the open source community among the locals, but it did look like a cultural divide.21:29
oneswighi trandles, just in time :-)21:29
trandlesSorry, home sick today and lost track of the time21:29
oneswigget well soon, you've got a flight to catch21:30
trandlesLol yeah...started on Friday, yesterday was rough but I'm over the hump I think. Should be in the office tomorrow.21:30
trandlesReading back...I haven't seen any formal announcement on upcoming summits, but Vancouver would be good.21:31
trandlesDid anyone (other than Tim Bell) notice that neutron is talking about deprecating linuxbridge support? I know some of this community, including CERN, was using it everywhere.21:31
oneswigyes I saw that and am surprised by it.21:32
oneswigI think it's still the simplest and fastest of the software bridges.21:32
trandlesDefinitely the simplest. Has OVS performance ever caught up?21:32
oneswigAt least, it hadn't last week when we last tried it.21:32
rbuddenThis surprises me. It’s definitely the simplest.21:33
oneswigActually, correction, that was OVS vs Tungsten Fabric21:33
trandleshrm...maybe this SIG needs to speak up then21:33
oneswigjmlowe: you still using it at large scale?21:33
rbuddenThough OVS had a decent set of tools for debugging, etc that was nice21:33
jmloweI also picked up a pre SC cold on Friday21:34
trandlesOne of the reasons they cite is feature set falling behind other solutions. Conversely, the simplicity is nice when you care about raw performance.21:34
jmloweI'm not happy about this linuxbridge deprecation21:34
oneswigtrandles: +1 for me21:34
jmloweI'm still using linuxbridge at least through 202021:35
oneswigI think the issue is nobody's stepping in to look after it with the Neutron project.21:35
oneswigThose people are I expect all paid to work on shiny stuff.21:35
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jmloweoneswig : ever test the performance of ovs vs ovn?21:37
oneswigFunny you should ask.21:37
oneswigI benchmarked it for Sydney - 2 years ago - using 100G CX5 NICs21:38
oneswig1 sec21:38
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jmlowefor bonus points ever try the ovs offload in connect-x cards?21:39
oneswigyes it's brilliant, like flossing with dynamite21:40
oneswigoccasionally, it blows up :-)21:40
martialoh well the advantage of having disposable hardware :)21:40
oneswigJust uploading the presentation somewhere.21:41
trandlesoneswig, saw the foundation announcement, congrats21:41
oneswigtrandles: thanks :-)21:42
rbuddeni think i missed the memo21:42
oneswigHere's the slides http://www.stackhpc.com/resources/5-ways-with-hypervisor-networking.pdf21:42
oneswigrbudden: we got ourselves on the marketplace and joined the foundation, that's all :-)21:43
rbuddenoh nice :)21:43
jmloweon the upside I did see that sriov live migration is a thing in train21:43
oneswigjmlowe: I believe so, with Netronome smart NICs21:44
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jmlowebah, I didn't see that qualifier21:44
oneswigOn that presentation linked above, there's OVN vs OVS vs LinuxBridge vs SR-IOV vs ASAP2 - look for a slide titled "TPC/IP performance - iperf"21:44
oneswigNB We tested OVN again last week and it was better than this but still not the quickest thing out there.21:45
oneswigActually, I hear the hardware OVS offload is a good deal more mature now and in production at large scale.21:49
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jmlowelooks like ASAP2 might be a real contender21:51
oneswigI think so, potentially.  It would be good to see how performance degrades with increasing numbers of flows but at any level it will beat a software switch by a huge margin.21:53
oneswigWe should talk SC21:53
oneswigAny good schedule picks?21:54
jmloweWell there's this workshop Monday morning21:54
martialwhich one is that?21:55
martialMonday afternoon is CANOPIE21:55
martialon Sunday I will be at "The Next Platform" event21:56
martialah bummer, Monday is also the "NVIDIA 2019 Special Address"21:56
oneswigI'll be keeping an eye out for AMD GPU performance comparisons.21:57
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oneswigWhere's the best barbecue?21:58
oneswigNearly time to close, alas21:59
rbuddenno idea, but we know the Ramen spot if you’re interested ;)21:59
oneswigI'll be at Sams #3, the diner22:00
oneswigOK y'all time to stop.22:00
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oneswigThanks all22:00
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2019/scientific_sig.2019-11-12-21.00.html22:00
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2019/scientific_sig.2019-11-12-21.00.txt22:00
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2019/scientific_sig.2019-11-12-21.00.log.html22:00
martialThanks Stig and team; see you next week :)22:01
oneswigalready looking forward to it!22:01
rbuddenindeed, see everyone next week!22:01
trandlesSee folks next week. Safe travels22:01
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