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| oneswig | #startmeeting scientific-sig | 11:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 4 11:00:43 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oneswig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 11:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 11:00 |
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| oneswig | greetings | 11:00 |
| noggin143 | \o | 11:00 |
| johngarbutt | o/ | 11:00 |
| oneswig | #link Agenda for today https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_SIG#IRC_Meeting_December_4th_2019 | 11:01 |
| belmoreira | o/ | 11:01 |
| oneswig | How are we all :-) | 11:01 |
| oneswig | Ok let's get the ball rolling | 11:02 |
| johngarbutt | mostly noticing winter this morning :) | 11:02 |
| oneswig | #topic Unified limits and nested projects | 11:02 |
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| oneswig | johngarbutt: thanks for coming along | 11:02 |
| oneswig | Can you describe the issue here? | 11:02 |
| johngarbutt | its long overdue, keep trying to make it, so glad to be here | 11:02 |
| johngarbutt | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/602201/ | 11:02 |
| johngarbutt | so here is the Nova spec for the Nova part of unified limits | 11:03 |
| johngarbutt | but a bit of back story first | 11:03 |
| johngarbutt | #link https://docs.openstack.org/api-ref/identity/v3/#unified-limits | 11:03 |
| janders | we had a bit of a winter snap on the first two days of summer here - but back to good now :) | 11:03 |
| johngarbutt | Keystone have now added APIs to support "unified limits" | 11:03 |
| johngarbutt | the aim here is to make limits consistent between all the projects | 11:04 |
| johngarbutt | at least all projects that adopt unified limits, anyways | 11:04 |
| johngarbutt | ... with that in place we can then implement things like hierarchy in a way that we all agree | 11:05 |
| oneswig | a long overdue capability! | 11:05 |
| johngarbutt | a key part of that is the oslo.limit library | 11:05 |
| johngarbutt | so the big news is I have some patches up | 11:05 |
| johngarbutt | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/695527/ | 11:05 |
| johngarbutt | there we have a long chain of patches that implements the limit enforcement | 11:06 |
| johngarbutt | the final one being an sketch on how we do the two level limit enforcer using the proposed limit API | 11:06 |
| johngarbutt | ... | 11:07 |
| johngarbutt | so a patch that ties the keystone work and oslo.limit work into a project is here | 11:07 |
| johngarbutt | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/615180/ | 11:07 |
| johngarbutt | this is how I propose Nova could adopt oslo.limit | 11:07 |
| johngarbutt | it builds on the great work melwitt has been doing in recent cycles | 11:08 |
| johngarbutt | so it is "placement centric" | 11:08 |
| johngarbutt | by which I mean the nova unified limits are based on resources in placement | 11:08 |
| belmoreira | this is great! | 11:08 |
| johngarbutt | VCPUs, PCPUS, etc | 11:08 |
| belmoreira | Finally the spec has a +2 after all these iterations. Congrats :) Do you think it can be implemented/merged during this cycle? | 11:08 |
| johngarbutt | and importantly, custom baremetal flavors also | 11:08 |
| johngarbutt | belmoreira: that is my aim, but the second +2 is taking its time, I need to try and find a second supporter | 11:09 |
| noggin143 | does the customer baremetal flavor give me the ability to limit what machines can be taken (e.g. any VM resource but only 48 cores of bare metal)? | 11:10 |
| johngarbutt | noggin143: almost... | 11:10 |
| oneswig | johngarbutt: when this lands, how would a quota be set on a custom resource class? | 11:10 |
| johngarbutt | each baremetal flavor has a custom resource class, and you can limit on that | 11:10 |
| johngarbutt | oneswig: yes | 11:10 |
| johngarbutt | so for baremetal you would like the number of machines of a given type | 11:11 |
| belmoreira | meaning: project X can use Y "custom resource class" | 11:11 |
| johngarbutt | like CUSTOM_BAREMETAL_R630_SILVER or whatever | 11:11 |
| johngarbutt | yeah, you can use N of any resource requested in the flavor | 11:12 |
| johngarbutt | it means baremetal flavors would no longer use any VCPU | 11:12 |
| johngarbutt | that is now just for VMs | 11:12 |
| johngarbutt | in the first release, this will all be optional | 11:12 |
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| johngarbutt | i.e. you have to opt into the new behavior | 11:12 |
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| johngarbutt | it would be great to get people's support on the spec | 11:13 |
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| johngarbutt | by support, I mean constructive feedback too, that is always better than blind support :) | 11:14 |
| johngarbutt | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/615180/ | 11:14 |
| johngarbutt | oops | 11:14 |
| johngarbutt | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/602201/ | 11:15 |
| johngarbutt | that is the spec | 11:15 |
| johngarbutt | are there any use cases people are worried about that we should go through, to make sure they are covered? | 11:15 |
| johngarbutt | hopefully the baremetal one make some sense, or at least, I could go through that again if it wasn't that clear? | 11:15 |
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| belmoreira | how about GPU or other specific resources support? | 11:16 |
| oneswig | I think it splits into two main use cases - common resource quotas across baremetal and virt resources, and GPUs. | 11:16 |
| johngarbutt | great question | 11:16 |
| oneswig | brb | 11:16 |
| belmoreira | we can use resource classes but looks very limited | 11:17 |
| johngarbutt | so right now they are not modeled in placement, so its trickier | 11:17 |
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| johngarbutt | there is a plan in Nova to allow you to add CUSTOM_RESOURCE_CLASS_X into your hypervisor resource provider | 11:17 |
| johngarbutt | i.e. CUSTOM_GPU_V100 = 8 | 11:18 |
| johngarbutt | then your flavor could request those | 11:18 |
| johngarbutt | basically pizza slicing your machine, using custom resource classes | 11:18 |
| belmoreira | and about to model this with "traits" | 11:18 |
| johngarbutt | so traits... at the moment there isn't anything, but there is a follow on idea I had | 11:19 |
| johngarbutt | lets consider the server count limit | 11:19 |
| johngarbutt | today we count all servers | 11:19 |
| johngarbutt | ... but we could extend that to a trait based count | 11:19 |
| johngarbutt | how many instances do you have that request a given trait | 11:20 |
| johngarbutt | which might be quite powerful, what do you think? | 11:20 |
| belmoreira | I think that will be more powerful/flexible than the resource_class for this usecase | 11:21 |
| johngarbutt | I should be clear, the current aim for this cycle is to do the minimum unified limits work, to open up new options, it just happens the easy way to implement this means stuff like CUSTOM_RESOURCE_X will just work too | 11:21 |
| johngarbutt | belmoreira: cool, I am just glad it doesn't sound crazy, its certainly a follow on feature (that may need placement changes) | 11:22 |
| noggin143 | +1 - let's get it in and then enhance - specs look like they cover our base use case from Boston - https://techblog.web.cern.ch/techblog/post/nested-quota-models/ | 11:22 |
| janders | this all looks good to me. I don't have the GPU part thought through, but the baremetal part sounds reasonable and useful | 11:24 |
| belmoreira | I understand that... and it would be huge work to have it. Thank for working on it. I was just trying to not forget the other use cases (GPUs) | 11:24 |
| johngarbutt | noggin143: hopefully this (once finished) would be the main bit you needed for nested: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/695527/ | 11:24 |
| noggin143 | johngarbutt: yup | 11:24 |
| johngarbutt | belmoreira: ++ | 11:24 |
| janders | where would we need to lobby for the second +2? | 11:25 |
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| johngarbutt | belmoreira: part of me hopes GPUs become a resource class at some point (basically) | 11:25 |
| johngarbutt | janders: I would say the nova meeting, but maybe a +1 on the spec would help too | 11:25 |
| johngarbutt | I should set a bit of context on that though... | 11:26 |
| johngarbutt | for the folks of us that know this bit of Nova inside out, it takes us an hour or two to page back in all the context needed to work on these things | 11:26 |
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| johngarbutt | its a "bit tricky", so I know its asking quite a lot of someone to review it properly | 11:27 |
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| johngarbutt | but it clearly important to lots and lots of people! | 11:27 |
| noggin143 | any indications from the other projects or are they waiting for Nova ? | 11:28 |
| janders | would bringing this to the attention of RHAT guys help? | 11:28 |
| johngarbutt | melwitt is pushing this on her side, asking your contacts could only help I guess. | 11:28 |
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| belmoreira | ack | 11:29 |
| johngarbutt | noggin143: good question, cinder is probably the next people, I haven't seen anyone step up yet | 11:29 |
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| belmoreira | cinder quota is still old nova quota :) | 11:29 |
| oneswig | apologies... back now | 11:29 |
| belmoreira | Still GPUs... during the last summit I talked with the cyborg PTL. They were looking into the GPU quota case. It's worth to check with them | 11:30 |
| johngarbutt | yeah, no counting approach there I guess, neutron did a re-write, and cinder added some hierarchy | 11:30 |
| johngarbutt | belmoreira: I keep meanging to revisit the cyborg spec myself, there is some placement integration there, but its not in the flavor in quite the same way sadly | 11:31 |
| oneswig | right - a general solution seems preferable | 11:32 |
| johngarbutt | there is a discussion there about who creates the claim in placement and who enforced the unified limit, and which things are not in placement (images, maybe), but that is probably easier after we have the easy Nova integration complete | 11:32 |
| johngarbutt | PCI passthrough is unlikely to be cyborg's problem in the near term, initial focus is FPGA's that need programming, etc | 11:33 |
| johngarbutt | but I could be out of date there | 11:33 |
| oneswig | sounds familiar to me. | 11:34 |
| oneswig | (where Cyborg is) | 11:34 |
| belmoreira | my feeling was they wanted to handled it. | 11:34 |
| johngarbutt | yeah, same | 11:34 |
| belmoreira | i just think it will be very sad if we use cyborg only for GPUs quotas | 11:34 |
| johngarbutt | belmoreira: ok, sounds like we are in a similar place | 11:35 |
| johngarbutt | I am hoping on adding extra resource classes into flavors and hypervisor inventory for that | 11:35 |
| johngarbutt | I don't have a link to that spec, it might not exist yet | 11:35 |
| johngarbutt | thanks all for your time, was good to report positive progress :) | 11:36 |
| oneswig | Thanks John. One final question | 11:36 |
| johngarbutt | sure | 11:36 |
| oneswig | This still feels like it is more than one cycle out - any feeling on an ETA? | 11:37 |
| johngarbutt | I am still hoping one cylce after the spec is approved, to be experimentally available | 11:38 |
| oneswig | The greatest help the SIG can be right now is feedback on those specs, correct? | 11:40 |
| johngarbutt | yes | 11:40 |
| johngarbutt | +1 | 11:40 |
| oneswig | OK - thanks for the update johngarbutt, much appreciated | 11:42 |
| janders | great work johngarbutt, thank you | 11:43 |
| johngarbutt | thanks all | 11:43 |
| oneswig | Shall we move on to telemetry and gnocchi? | 11:44 |
| oneswig | #topic the post-gnocchi future | 11:44 |
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| oneswig | I'm not sure if the right folks are here but this topic was squeezed out of last week's meeting | 11:45 |
| oneswig | who currently runs gnocchi? | 11:45 |
| oneswig | ... perhaps we should move on | 11:47 |
| oneswig | #topic AOB | 11:47 |
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| noggin143 | We would like a working telemetry solution at scale though | 11:47 |
| oneswig | I had a question. Does anyone have experience using Mellanox VF-LAG for SR-IOV? | 11:48 |
| witek | there is a recent thread on openstack-discuss related to Gnocchi | 11:49 |
| witek | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-November/010922.html | 11:49 |
| janders | not yet - I'm interested to hear about it, too :) | 11:49 |
| oneswig | Hi witek - ears burning :-) thanks for joining | 11:49 |
| witek | :) | 11:49 |
| oneswig | I'd seen that thread, thanks. Was the final decision to revert to mongodb? That didn't sound ideal. Or was it still undecided? | 11:50 |
| oneswig | janders: If I get the chance I'll report back. I think b1airo was using it in Monash. | 11:51 |
| johngarbutt | what info are people wanting from the telemetry, mostly usage data? or something more? | 11:51 |
| witek | That's what current cores committed to, but they don't want to block other solutions | 11:51 |
| johngarbutt | I keep wanting to see someone process openstack notification streams using kafka, and extract usage info, alongside other gems, but not seen anyone try that yet | 11:54 |
| oneswig | me too :-) there is a kafka driver for oslo.notifications isn't there? | 11:54 |
| johngarbutt | yeah, although it had all the markings of "please don't use me" when I last looked at it | 11:54 |
| witek | yes, but not sure if it's maintained | 11:55 |
| johngarbutt | it didn't look very loved | 11:55 |
| oneswig | oh dear. | 11:55 |
| oneswig | witek: how's the events API for Monasca, is that getting active work this cycle? | 11:56 |
| witek | the API is ready, what we need is some kind of standardized collector | 11:57 |
| witek | it is planned for this cycle, but no one assigned yet | 11:58 |
| johngarbutt | you mean like oslo.notifications -> monasca events API? | 11:59 |
| witek | right | 11:59 |
| oneswig | I see, so notification events, published in the usual way (amqp?) would be gathered by this collector and transferred to the monasca api | 11:59 |
| oneswig | oops | 11:59 |
| oneswig | ah, we are on the hour. Final thoughts? | 12:00 |
| oneswig | any volunteers for witek? :-) | 12:00 |
| oneswig | (or John for that matter) | 12:00 |
| oneswig | OK, thanks all | 12:01 |
| oneswig | #endmeeting | 12:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 4 12:01:09 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 12:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2019/scientific_sig.2019-12-04-11.00.html | 12:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2019/scientific_sig.2019-12-04-11.00.txt | 12:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2019/scientific_sig.2019-12-04-11.00.log.html | 12:01 |
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| verdurin | Oops - caught out by the timezone again... | 12:01 |
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| rosmaita | NOTICE: The weekly Cinder meeting is being held in #openstack-meeting-4 at 1400 UTC today (and in the future) | 13:53 |
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| liuyulong | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 13:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 4 13:59:33 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is liuyulong. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:59 |
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| liuyulong | #chair liuyulong_ | 14:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: liuyulong liuyulong_ | 14:00 |
| liuyulong | #chair slaweq | 14:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: liuyulong liuyulong_ slaweq | 14:00 |
| liuyulong | #chair haleyb | 14:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: haleyb liuyulong liuyulong_ slaweq | 14:00 |
| liuyulong | Hi all | 14:00 |
| liuyulong | #topic Announcements | 14:01 |
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| rosmaita | liuyulong: in case anyone shows up for the cinder meeting, it's now at this time in #openstack-meeting-4 | 14:01 |
| rosmaita | (sorry to interrupt) | 14:01 |
| liuyulong | rosmaita, np | 14:01 |
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| ralonsoh | hi | 14:02 |
| liuyulong | Actually no announcement from me | 14:03 |
| liuyulong | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/ussuri | 14:03 |
| liuyulong | These bps are all targeted in U-1。 | 14:03 |
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| liuyulong | And one bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1841067 | 14:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1841067 in neutron "[RFE] SR-IOV agent depends on mac addresses for getting bound ports" [Medium,Confirmed] | 14:04 |
| liuyulong | also on the milestone ussuri-1. | 14:04 |
| ralonsoh | we still need to merge https://review.opendev.org/#/c/676713/ | 14:05 |
| ralonsoh | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/694757/ was the first patch | 14:05 |
| ralonsoh | but we need 676713 ttoo | 14:05 |
| liuyulong | Yes, we can see Adrian still has activities. | 14:07 |
| ralonsoh | (next week I'll be able to help him if needed) | 14:07 |
| liuyulong | ralonsoh, great | 14:07 |
| liuyulong | OK, next topic | 14:08 |
| liuyulong | #topic Bugs | 14:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 14:08 | |
| liuyulong | First one: | 14:08 |
| liuyulong | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1851609 | 14:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1851609 in neutron "Add an option for graceful l3 agent shutdown" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Oleg Bondarev (obondarev) | 14:08 |
| liuyulong | IMO, the patch https://review.opendev.org/#/c/693323/ is now fine to me. | 14:08 |
| ralonsoh | (added to my TODO list) | 14:09 |
| liuyulong | Maybe slaweq and haleyb could raise this to the neutron_drivers meeting. | 14:09 |
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| liuyulong | The bug deputy was Nate last week. | 14:11 |
| liuyulong | This is the thread: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-December/011352.html | 14:12 |
| liuyulong | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1854462 | 14:13 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1854462 in neutron "[Functional tests] Timeout exception in list_namespace_pids" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Rodolfo Alonso (rodolfo-alonso-hernandez) | 14:13 |
| liuyulong | ralonsoh, you have any updates? | 14:13 |
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| ralonsoh | I had this one assigned yesterday | 14:14 |
| ralonsoh | no updates yet, sorry | 14:14 |
| liuyulong | It's OK, never mind. | 14:16 |
| haleyb | hi, sorry i'm late | 14:17 |
| liuyulong | It's related to thread, problem may not be easy to find out, especially in such coroutine switching timeout. | 14:17 |
| ralonsoh | the problem in the privsep context, IMO | 14:18 |
| ralonsoh | and this is something way more difficult to solve | 14:18 |
| ralonsoh | but, IMO, with py3 we can now change the order of the decorators in ip_lib | 14:18 |
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| ralonsoh | instead of calling the privsep one and the the sync one (blocking the privsep thread) | 14:19 |
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| ralonsoh | now we can first call the sync one, and when the sync is released, we can open the privsep one | 14:19 |
| liuyulong | Yes, that I/O function 'send_recv' looks stuck in some condition. | 14:19 |
| liuyulong | ralonsoh, alright, it's out of my scope, let's see how you fix that. : ) | 14:20 |
| ralonsoh | np! | 14:20 |
| liuyulong | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1854051 | 14:21 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1854051 in neutron "py36 unit test cases fails" [Critical,Incomplete] | 14:21 |
| liuyulong | I noticed this was discussed yestarday. | 14:22 |
| liuyulong | in CI meeting | 14:22 |
| liuyulong | Yes, the python3.6 libs are all from the CentOS repo. | 14:23 |
| ralonsoh | this is more a python problem than a openstack one | 14:23 |
| liuyulong | That lib 'typing' is from python3-libs-3.6.8-10.el7.x86_64 | 14:23 |
| ralonsoh | (or the RPM provider) | 14:23 |
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| liuyulong | I have tried to upgrade the 'typing' to 3.7.4.1, but the error still occurs. | 14:25 |
| ralonsoh | try to use pip | 14:26 |
| liuyulong | Next step, I will try to move my devstack to this py3.6 env. | 14:26 |
| ralonsoh | actually, in py37 this is the last version.... | 14:26 |
| ralonsoh | I said nothing | 14:26 |
| liuyulong | ralonsoh, I tried pip3.6, not work... | 14:27 |
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| liuyulong | I will try to run the agent on the python3-3.6.8-10.el7.x86_64 to see what will happen. | 14:27 |
| liuyulong | My devstack is now still running on py2.7, : ) | 14:28 |
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| liuyulong | OK, let's shot a quick scan of LP bug list. | 14:29 |
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| liuyulong | Looks all L3 related bug have been mentioned in the meeting. | 14:33 |
| liuyulong | Any bug else? | 14:34 |
| ralonsoh | not from my side | 14:34 |
| liuyulong | OK | 14:34 |
| liuyulong | Last week I sent an email about adding a section for OVN L3 related topics during this L3-meeting. | 14:36 |
| liuyulong | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-November/011211.html | 14:36 |
| liuyulong | So let's starts the first one. | 14:37 |
| liuyulong | #topic OVN_L3 | 14:37 |
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| ralonsoh | (for now I can't provide any useful information in this topic, sorry) | 14:38 |
| liuyulong | Let me share something about OVN. | 14:39 |
| liuyulong | #link http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man7/ovn-architecture.7.html | 14:39 |
| haleyb | which part? :) | 14:40 |
| liuyulong | I guess this should be the best document for users, developers or networking fans to get familiar with OVN. | 14:40 |
| liuyulong | There is a section called "Gateway Routers". | 14:40 |
| liuyulong | "Logical Routers" and "Distributed Gateway Ports" | 14:41 |
| liuyulong | All these concepts should be a good material for understanding the OVN. | 14:42 |
| liuyulong | I read this doc a real long time ago, so I wonder if someone who can tell us, does this doc still comply with OVN's current design? | 14:44 |
| ralonsoh | for sure, the documentation part must be considered in the OVN migration to Neutron | 14:45 |
| ralonsoh | and those topics should be documented (and updated if needed) | 14:45 |
| haleyb | liuyulong: i'm assuming it has advanced since then, let me find a link, things are in-tree and i don't know when that man page was taken | 14:46 |
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| liuyulong | #link http://www.openvswitch.org//support/dist-docs/ovn-architecture.7.pdf | 14:46 |
| liuyulong | This should be the right link, I guess. | 14:46 |
| haleyb | ovn was split out of the ovs repo recently, but that is newer | 14:48 |
| liuyulong | And we have this: https://docs.openstack.org/networking-ovn/latest/admin/refarch/refarch.html | 14:49 |
| liuyulong | Since the networking-ovn code is now quickly getting into the neutron repo, so the networking-ovn DOCs will be moved to neutron repo also? | 14:50 |
| maciejjozefczyk | liuyulong, the fresh docs are always here: http://www.openvswitch.org/support/dist-docs/ | 14:50 |
| liuyulong | maciejjozefczyk, yeah, yeah, this is the official for sure. | 14:51 |
| haleyb | maciejjozefczyk: thanks, i thought flavio had sent me an update post-split, but i can't find it | 14:52 |
| maciejjozefczyk | haleyb, liuyulong, ought, not really. Those docs are not updated. Looks like those were generated before the split | 14:52 |
| haleyb | and docs.ovn.org isn't working :( | 14:53 |
| maciejjozefczyk | so the homework is to find a fresh ones, I'll ask Numan Siddique if he has any information were to find it. | 14:53 |
| liuyulong | So in the docs.openstack.org maybe we should add some OVN links for these. | 14:54 |
| liuyulong | #link https://docs.openstack.org/networking-ovn/latest/ | 14:54 |
| haleyb | liuyulong: in the migration from networking-ovn to neutron the docs should be moved, we can update them once that happens if they are wrong | 14:55 |
| liuyulong | Sure | 14:55 |
| haleyb | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/696783/ was a recent patch by mlavalle | 14:56 |
| maciejjozefczyk | liuyulong, I got the information that the fresh documentation will be placed on ovn.org soon | 14:57 |
| liuyulong | Good to know, thank you guys. | 14:57 |
| maciejjozefczyk | liuyulong, thanks for pointing this :) | 14:58 |
| liuyulong | I hope I made a good start today, obviously I didn't talk about anythong about OVN L3 : ) | 14:58 |
| liuyulong | Alright, we are running out of time. | 14:58 |
| liuyulong | Thank you for attending the meeting. | 14:59 |
| liuyulong | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 14:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 4 14:59:42 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2019/neutron_l3.2019-12-04-13.59.html | 14:59 |
| ralonsoh | bye | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2019/neutron_l3.2019-12-04-13.59.txt | 14:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2019/neutron_l3.2019-12-04-13.59.log.html | 14:59 |
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| timburke | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 4 21:00:14 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is timburke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
| timburke | who's here for the swift meeting? | 21:00 |
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| kota_ | hi | 21:00 |
| seongsoocho | o/ | 21:01 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 21:01 |
| tdasilva | o/ | 21:01 |
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| timburke | i just got back last night from a week away, so... i'll be interested in hearing what everyone's been up to :-) | 21:03 |
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| timburke | so, updates! | 21:03 |
| timburke | tdasilva, clayg: how's versioning going? | 21:03 |
| timburke | #topic object versioning | 21:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "object versioning (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:03 | |
| clayg | versioning is GREAT! | 21:04 |
| timburke | i saw https://review.opendev.org/#/c/682138/ landed :D | 21:04 |
| patchbot | patch 682138 - swift - Allow internal clients to use reserved namespace (MERGED) - 38 patch sets | 21:04 |
| kota_ | lol. good | 21:04 |
| clayg | we landed the new null namespace primitive - which is pretty cool | 21:04 |
| mattoliverau | nice | 21:04 |
| clayg | the next patch in the change will actually *use* it | 21:04 |
| clayg | the next patch in the chain is also the BEST patch in the chain | 21:04 |
| clayg | because... | 21:04 |
| clayg | 1) tdasilva wrote most of it | 21:04 |
| clayg | 2) it's a new swift feature! | 21:04 |
| mattoliverau | both great reasons! | 21:05 |
| clayg | mattoliverau: was looking at it and playing with the API - and i'm sure he agrees it's pretty freaking sweet | 21:05 |
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| clayg | honestly my favorite way to consume the versioning api is using the swiftclient patch | 21:05 |
| mattoliverau | it is pretty damn awesome, I'll continue to play and review today | 21:05 |
| clayg | I'm hoping they can all come together at the same time | 21:05 |
| tdasilva | lol | 21:06 |
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| clayg | one issue that somehow we didn't spent a lot of time functionally testing is what happens when you try to use the new version'd api requests against containers with legacy versioning mode | 21:06 |
| clayg | we don't allow uses to set both modes simoultaneously on purpose - the metadata is orthogonal | 21:07 |
| clayg | I'd assume if they do both get set because of eventual consistency we prefer the new versioning mode? | 21:07 |
| clayg | somewhere at the top of versioned writes we must pick which paath to go down 🤔 | 21:07 |
| clayg | tdasilva: how does that work? | 21:08 |
| clayg | anyway - we're gunna spend some time polishing that | 21:08 |
| clayg | versioned api requests against *unversioned* containers are very intuative - so hopefully we can make versioned api requests against legacy versioned containers equally obvious | 21:08 |
| tdasilva | yeah, i need to look that up again | 21:08 |
| clayg | the finally last in the chain is the s3api patch that puts aws object versioning on swift's versioning | 21:09 |
| clayg | it works great as long as swift's object versioning is enabled 🤣 | 21:09 |
| tdasilva | and symlinks ;) | 21:09 |
| clayg | so I think our fearless leader has volunteered to take a stab at making it degrade more gracefully | 21:09 |
| clayg | @tdasilva well, i don't think s3api cares so much about symlinks - as swift object versioning requires symlinks | 21:10 |
| clayg | object versioning itself already blows up very loudly if you don't have symlinks 👍 | 21:10 |
| tdasilva | true true | 21:10 |
| timburke | i did! http://paste.openstack.org/show/787123/ makes it a bunch better -- need to look at multi-deletes, though | 21:10 |
| clayg | so it's a CHAIN of dependencies - but the last link (s3api) wasn't as annoying as it should be | 21:10 |
| mattoliverau | nice work guys | 21:11 |
| clayg | and look at that timburke is all over it | 21:11 |
| clayg | mattoliverau: it's been a team effort - this last mile stuff feels good tho | 21:11 |
| clayg | when you start USING the new version api - it's like butter | 21:11 |
| timburke | i knew if i didn't do it quick, i'd hardly write *any* code today ;-) | 21:11 |
| clayg | timburke: yeah welcome back! 😁 | 21:11 |
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| clayg | i would recommend anyone that wants to "poke at the edges" to try and spin up the s3api patch - and make sure you can deploy a saio with everything turned on (symlinks + allow_versioned_writes) | 21:12 |
| clayg | then maybe use `aws s3api` to put-object-versioning | 21:13 |
| clayg | then if you're feeling REALLY fancy - do some curl requests against a noauth proxy with allow_+allow_reserved_names_header | 21:13 |
| clayg | the format of the null namespace container is probably worth a grock if you can get down to it | 21:14 |
| timburke | does anyone have any comments or questions on those patches? | 21:17 |
| kota_ | sounds awesome progress on the work | 21:17 |
| clayg | kota_: thanks! yes we're super exicted - so close we can taste it! | 21:19 |
| clayg | FINALLY | 21:19 |
| timburke | all right. looks like neither rledisez nor alecuyer are around right now to talk about their lots of files investigations (either continuing to play with feature/losf or trying to split off FS metadata to a separate, faster device)... so... | 21:20 |
| timburke | #topic open discussion | 21:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:20 | |
| timburke | sorry, i'm really kinda under-prepared this week ;-) | 21:20 |
| timburke | does anyone have anything else they'd like to bring up? | 21:21 |
| mattoliverau | I don't have too much to say, been a little busy ramping up in new role. Also we have bush fires close. I'm safe, friends have been evacuated and this morning our streets are filled with smoke.. so exciting times | 21:21 |
| clayg | timburke: since you just got back from Hawaii and Thiago is in Oz - I'm feeling jelous and wanting to plan the hackathon at mattoliverau 's beach house | 21:21 |
| timburke | eep! stay safe, mattoliverau! | 21:21 |
| clayg | bush fires!!!??? | 21:22 |
| mattoliverau | yeah, come for the smoke. | 21:22 |
| clayg | nm, we can plan the hackathon later 😬 | 21:22 |
| mattoliverau | bush fires is australian for wildfires | 21:22 |
| clayg | mattoliverau: I used to live in CA - i know all about the bush fires | 21:22 |
| mattoliverau | clayg: I bet you do :) | 21:22 |
| clayg | or... or wild fires | 21:22 |
| mattoliverau | I'm safe, on the opposite side of a bay and a bridge | 21:22 |
| kota_ | wow, stay safe please. | 21:22 |
| clayg | tdasilva: how close are you to mattoliverau ??? like 6-8 hours 🙄 | 21:23 |
| mattoliverau | if tdasilva is in Syd, then about 5 hours. | 21:23 |
| tdasilva | not sure, i'm in sydney, i think it's close | 21:23 |
| mattoliverau | because of some mountains in the way :) | 21:23 |
| tdasilva | well...not so close | 21:23 |
| timburke | "close" by australian standards :-) | 21:23 |
| mattoliverau | ^ ++ | 21:23 |
| tdasilva | heh | 21:23 |
| kota_ | lol | 21:24 |
| timburke | it's a bit worse than "texas close", i think | 21:24 |
| mattoliverau | tdasilva: if you feel like a drive, you definitely welcome to come visit!! | 21:24 |
| tdasilva | getting on the car right after this :) | 21:24 |
| kota_ | 5 hours... maybe I can go to Fukuoka by bullet train :/ | 21:25 |
| mattoliverau | if you decide to visit my hometown of Canberra, then you're getting much closer :) | 21:25 |
| clayg | https://www.texasmonthly.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/australia.png #fakenews | 21:25 |
| clayg | texas is biggest | 21:25 |
| mattoliverau | kota_: they've talked about putting a fast train down the east coast of Oz | 21:25 |
| seongsoocho | 5 hours is 'close" in australia? | 21:25 |
| mattoliverau | yup | 21:25 |
| clayg | seongsoocho: !!! | 21:25 |
| seongsoocho | wow... | 21:26 |
| timburke | could be worse, could be perth! | 21:26 |
| clayg | seongsoocho: what are you working on? | 21:26 |
| mattoliverau | I used to go visit my wife grandmother in Mel for the weekend, that's 9-10 hours drive. | 21:26 |
| tdasilva | mattoliverau: from sydney or from your house? | 21:26 |
| mattoliverau | ours, or about 7 hours from Canberra. | 21:26 |
| seongsoocho | clayg: Hi ~ I try to do some fix easy issue ( you told me on PTG) | 21:27 |
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| clayg | seongsoocho: please let me know if you have some patches I need to look at - it's very easy to get distracted and forget what other people are working on | 21:27 |
| clayg | anytime you're stuck or waiting on reviews this meeting is best time to come poke and remind folks | 21:28 |
| seongsoocho | Ok ! ( | 21:28 |
| mattoliverau | tdasilva: but we're going to catch up in Mel over Jan aren't we? :) | 21:28 |
| timburke | also, you're always welcome to add items to the agenda if there's anything you'd like to discuss or bring attention to | 21:28 |
| tdasilva | mattoliverau: yeah, sounds great! | 21:29 |
| timburke | oh yeah, so i was thinking about the new allow_reserved_names_header option for gatekeeper (https://review.opendev.org/#/c/682138/38/swift/common/middleware/gatekeeper.py) ... | 21:30 |
| patchbot | patch 682138 - swift - Allow internal clients to use reserved namespace (MERGED) - 38 patch sets | 21:30 |
| timburke | and i wrote a thing: https://github.com/tipabu/no_op_gatekeeper | 21:31 |
| timburke | basically, an alternate gatekeeper that doesn't do any gate-keeping ;-) | 21:31 |
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| timburke | thought it might be useful for anyone else who likes a no-auth proxy for their dev environment | 21:32 |
| mattoliverau | interesting | 21:33 |
| timburke | if you look at https://github.com/tipabu/no_op_gatekeeper/blob/master/no_op_gatekeeper.py, it's really not ;-) | 21:34 |
| mattoliverau | lol | 21:35 |
| kota_ | lol | 21:36 |
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| timburke | i suppose i should go sign up for pypi or something, but fwiw, `pip install git+https://github.com/tipabu/no_op_gatekeeper@1.0` should work just fine | 21:37 |
| kota_ | or just call `python setup.py devel (or install?)` maybe? | 21:38 |
| kota_ | ah, after cloning, i mean. | 21:38 |
| timburke | yeah -- i was mainly thinking if you didn't want to have to clone it directly :-) | 21:38 |
| kota_ | timburke: good | 21:38 |
| timburke | anyway, that's about all i've got. clayg, let's let all these good folks get breakfast ;-) | 21:40 |
| clayg | 👍 | 21:40 |
| timburke | thank you all for coming today, and thank you for working on swift! | 21:40 |
| timburke | #endmeeting | 21:40 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 4 21:40:47 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2019/swift.2019-12-04-21.00.html | 21:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2019/swift.2019-12-04-21.00.txt | 21:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2019/swift.2019-12-04-21.00.log.html | 21:40 |
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