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| slaweq | #startmeeting neutron_drivers | 14:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Fri Dec 13 14:02:07 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is slaweq. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:02 |
| slaweq | hi | 14:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_drivers)" | 14:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers' | 14:02 |
| yamamoto | hi | 14:02 |
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| slaweq | sorry for being a bit late | 14:02 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 14:02 |
| njohnston | o/ | 14:02 |
| slaweq | lets wait a bit for haleyb and amotoki | 14:03 |
| yamamoto | i can't attend next three weeks | 14:03 |
| slaweq | yamamoto: I think that this week may be our last meeting in this year | 14:04 |
| slaweq | as I will also not be able to attend next week probably | 14:04 |
| slaweq | and later I'm on PTO until 7th of January | 14:04 |
| slaweq | mlavalle: how it's for You? | 14:04 |
| mlavalle | That's fine with me | 14:05 |
| slaweq | ok, so I think we have first agreement today :) | 14:06 |
| njohnston | so the next meeting will be... January 10th? | 14:06 |
| slaweq | I will send email about it later | 14:06 |
| njohnston | +1 | 14:07 |
| slaweq | njohnston: it seems so, yes | 14:07 |
| slaweq | ok, lets start than, we have quorum already | 14:07 |
| slaweq | and we have couple of RFEs to discuss | 14:07 |
| slaweq | #topic RFEs | 14:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "RFEs (Meeting topic: neutron_drivers)" | 14:07 | |
| slaweq | first one is one which we started last week | 14:08 |
| slaweq | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1851609 | 14:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1851609 in neutron "Add an option for graceful l3 agent shutdown" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Oleg Bondarev (obondarev) | 14:08 |
| slaweq | beagles wrote a comment about how tripleo is doing that | 14:08 |
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| slaweq | AFAIU proposal is related to point 2) from beagles' comment | 14:11 |
| slaweq | but I wonder if it would be possible to do it somehow automatically, without new config option | 14:11 |
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| amotoki | sorry for late. train to home was delayed... | 14:15 |
| slaweq | amotoki: hi | 14:16 |
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| mlavalle | so the way I read beagles comment is that he agrees with Oleg that this is needed in Neutron | 14:17 |
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| njohnston | if it is possible to do a graceful shutdown, it is nearly always the preferable thing to do | 14:17 |
| mlavalle | the point is to enable a clean failover | 14:18 |
| mlavalle | in the HA case | 14:18 |
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| slaweq | but the problem is that users don't always need to stop e.g. keepalived processes | 14:19 |
| slaweq | it's needed only in some cases, like e.g. when it works in kubernetes managed containers | 14:20 |
| mlavalle | yeah, that is why the proposed option's default value is false | 14:20 |
| mlavalle | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/693323/8/releasenotes/notes/l3_agent_graceful_shutdown-87bf3304e6fab8a5.yaml | 14:20 |
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| slaweq | yes, I know | 14:21 |
| slaweq | but I was wondering if there is any way to e.g. automatically discover by L3 agent if graceful stop is needed or not | 14:22 |
| slaweq | but probably there is no any way to do that | 14:22 |
| slaweq | so config option would be the best solution | 14:22 |
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| slaweq | so I'm ok with this proposal | 14:25 |
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| mlavalle | yeah, seems to make sense | 14:28 |
| amotoki | I read thru the discussion and RFE comments. it sounds reasonable. we cannot avoid downtime around graceful shutdown but it would be intentional. | 14:29 |
| slaweq | yamamoto: any thoughts about it? | 14:30 |
| yamamoto | i don't know how containerized l3 agent works | 14:31 |
| yamamoto | does it use hostnetwork? | 14:31 |
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| mlavalle | http://alesnosek.com/blog/2017/02/14/accessing-kubernetes-pods-from-outside-of-the-cluster/ | 14:33 |
| slaweq | yamamoto: actually I don't know but my understanding is that the problem is that kubernetes kills in non-graceful way keepalived processes (I'm not sure if those processes are in same pod as L3 agent or in separate ones) | 14:34 |
| mlavalle | so yes, it can | 14:34 |
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| yamamoto | so this rfe is to introduce an option to make l3 agent shutdown its keepalived gracefully? | 14:37 |
| slaweq | yamamoto: yes, that's how I understand it at least | 14:37 |
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| mlavalle | me too | 14:38 |
| yamamoto | kubernetes somehow gives it a chance to clean up its children by itself? | 14:38 |
| amotoki | my understanding is that this rfe deletes routers before l3-agt shuts down. when a router is deleted, keepalived is cleanup together. | 14:38 |
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| yamamoto | https://kubernetes.io/docs/concepts/workloads/pods/pod/#termination-of-pods | 14:39 |
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| yamamoto | shutdown keepalived gracefully in this 30s grace period? | 14:40 |
| slaweq | amotoki: your understanding is good, see proposed patch https://review.opendev.org/#/c/693323/8/neutron/agent/l3/agent.py | 14:40 |
| yamamoto | ok it makes sense to me | 14:42 |
| amotoki | yamamoto: I think the proposal is to delete routers to clean up VIP usages rather than depending on keepalived aliveness, but I am not sure how they are shutdown... | 14:43 |
| slaweq | so, just to make it clear: we are all good to approve this rfe and new config option, right? | 14:44 |
| yamamoto | amotoki: i consider how to clean up is an implementation detail :-) | 14:44 |
| amotoki | yamamoto: yeah :) | 14:44 |
| amotoki | good to approve it | 14:45 |
| mlavalle | I am good with it | 14:45 |
| yamamoto | me too | 14:45 |
| slaweq | ok, thx | 14:46 |
| slaweq | I will approve it after the meeting | 14:46 |
| slaweq | next one is old one | 14:46 |
| slaweq | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1821208 | 14:46 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1821208 in neutron "[RFE] Only enforce policy when selected option does not match default" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 14:46 |
| slaweq | but I would like to maybe get back to it quickly | 14:46 |
| njohnston | Ah yes, this old chestnut | 14:47 |
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| njohnston | What specifically did you want to talk about it, slaweq? | 14:48 |
| slaweq | njohnston: I would like to revive this and either approve or abandon it | 14:49 |
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| amotoki | My understanding on the discussion so far are: (1) the original RFE was proposed to handle boolean field update with default values (2) I tried to expand it to all field types (3) I proposed to do it only for visible fields (as there seems no side effect) in #7 (4) slawek proposed a config option on the API behavior in #8 | 14:51 |
| slaweq | amotoki: yes, that's good summary | 14:52 |
| amotoki | generally speaking, it is not recommended to determine the API behavior based on a config options as it is not discoverable from API users. | 14:53 |
| slaweq | amotoki: makes sense, so this isn't option which we should choose | 14:53 |
| njohnston | Three points: It is addressing an edge case that does not come up very often. It has a clear workaround (don't specify the attribute in question so that it goes to the default value). After consideration I am not sure if the value delivered is worth the work. | 14:54 |
| slaweq | njohnston: so You are proposing to abandon this rfe, right? | 14:54 |
| mlavalle | which was my original response to the RFE | 14:54 |
| mlavalle | why do this for an edge case? | 14:54 |
| njohnston | With limited developer bandwidth I think we have more pressing concerns | 14:54 |
| amotoki | only value I see is that we can paste a response to PUT body. | 14:55 |
| slaweq | njohnston: that's good option for me too :) | 14:55 |
| slaweq | so based on njohnston's comment, I propose to abandon this rfe | 14:55 |
| slaweq | are You fine with that? | 14:56 |
| mlavalle | +1 | 14:56 |
| amotoki | +1 | 14:56 |
| yamamoto | njohnston: has the issue with horizon been solved since then? | 14:56 |
| amotoki | IIRC this RFE starts from a bug in horizon. Although I am not sure the status of the horizon bug, it should be addressed there. | 14:56 |
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| njohnston | yes, I believe the horizon bug has been solved | 14:57 |
| * njohnston looks for the reference for that | 14:57 | |
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| yamamoto | +1 for abandon then | 14:58 |
| slaweq | thx | 14:58 |
| amotoki | perhaps it comes from some bug in horizon policy support. it might be fixed. Otherwise we will receive a bug in horizon :) | 14:59 |
| slaweq | I have 2 quick on demand items too | 14:59 |
| slaweq | #topic On Demand agenda | 14:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "On Demand agenda (Meeting topic: neutron_drivers)" | 14:59 | |
| yamamoto | njohnston: paste the reference in the rfe if you find it | 14:59 |
| njohnston | yamamoto: will do, thanks! | 14:59 |
| slaweq | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/697076/ - please review it and tell there what do You think about having octavia-ovn-provider repo as new stadium project | 14:59 |
| slaweq | and second one | 15:00 |
| slaweq | I want to start discussion about neutron in devstack: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-December/011544.html | 15:00 |
| slaweq | please read it and maybe You can reply to it if You have any thoughts about it | 15:00 |
| slaweq | that's all from me | 15:00 |
| slaweq | we are out of time already | 15:00 |
| slaweq | so at the end I would like to thank all of You for great and productive year and wish You all the best for upcoming holiday season :) | 15:01 |
| slaweq | and see You on next meeting in 2020 | 15:01 |
| mlavalle | same to you | 15:01 |
| slaweq | o/ | 15:01 |
| slaweq | #endmeeting | 15:01 |
| njohnston | o/ | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Dec 13 15:01:40 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:01 |
| slaweq | thx mlavalle | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2019/neutron_drivers.2019-12-13-14.02.html | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2019/neutron_drivers.2019-12-13-14.02.txt | 15:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2019/neutron_drivers.2019-12-13-14.02.log.html | 15:01 |
| amotoki | thanks you all | 15:01 |
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