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| gagehugo | #startmeeting security | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 13 15:00:19 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gagehugo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: security)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 15:00 |
| gagehugo | o/ | 15:00 |
| gagehugo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-agenda agenda | 15:00 |
| redrobot | \o | 15:00 |
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| * fungi is here, just fiddling agenda | 15:03 | |
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| gagehugo | #topic YVR event attendance poll | 15:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "YVR event attendance poll (Meeting topic: security)" | 15:05 | |
| gagehugo | It's that time, before the summit/ptg/event | 15:05 |
| gagehugo | We're supposed to gather attendence info and ask for a room if we need | 15:05 |
| gagehugo | redrobot fungi: either of you plan on attending the Vancouver PTG? | 15:06 |
| redrobot | No plans yet. Gotta talk to the boss here pretty soon. | 15:06 |
| gagehugo | I know it's a bit early | 15:06 |
| gagehugo | yeah same haha | 15:06 |
| redrobot | I gotta do the same for the Barbican team too, haha | 15:06 |
| fungi | i'll be there, spread thin as usual, but if there are security-related activities which folks think will be easier to get done in a face-to-face setting then i'm happy to join | 15:06 |
| gagehugo | I'll send out an email to see if we can gauge any interest | 15:08 |
| gagehugo | could probably get a small session slot if possible | 15:08 |
| gagehugo | #topic rainstorm post-678426 tasks | 15:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rainstorm post-678426 tasks (Meeting topic: security)" | 15:10 | |
| gagehugo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/post-678426-tasks etherpad | 15:10 |
| fungi | the long-awaited merging of the vulnerability management policy updates finally happened | 15:10 |
| fungi | so now we need to do some actual work ;) | 15:11 |
| gagehugo | oh boy | 15:11 |
| fungi | i was just wanting to spend a few minutes figuring out what we think needs to happen next | 15:11 |
| * redrobot hides at the mention of work | 15:11 | |
| gagehugo | probably go through the big OS projects and unhide all those private security bugs | 15:11 |
| fungi | for one, we should update the embargoed report template we include at the top of private security bugs to mention the embargo expiration timeframe | 15:12 |
| fungi | we should also yes go through all existing private bugs and add a comment saying that we now have a maximum embargo time | 15:12 |
| fungi | i think we start the countdown when we add that comment on them though, to give folks at least some time to prepare | 15:13 |
| gagehugo | sure | 15:13 |
| fungi | and i guess we need an announcement to the openstack-discuss ml about this change taking effect | 15:14 |
| gagehugo | definitely | 15:15 |
| fungi | also we should update our vmt process document to mention noting the expiration date for the embargo when we triage a new report | 15:15 |
| fungi | and mention the 90-day max embargo period in the reporting guidelines on the security site as well | 15:16 |
| fungi | i'll jot these down in the etherpad, but can anybody think of anything else directly related to this change which we need to do now that it's approved? | 15:16 |
| gagehugo | those sound fine, do we want to give notice on current private security bugs now that we will make them public in X days? | 15:17 |
| gagehugo | or are we just going to make them public after announcing via mailing list and updating docs/guides? | 15:17 |
| fungi | i was thinking we do it in this order: | 15:18 |
| fungi | 1. update our site/docs/templates | 15:19 |
| fungi | 2. send announcement to the ml | 15:19 |
| fungi | 3. add a 90-day warning to all currently private reports | 15:19 |
| gagehugo | ok | 15:19 |
| fungi | 4. switch those reports to public security after the 90 days | 15:19 |
| fungi | for new incoming reports we'll comment setting the expiration to 90 days from when we triage it and subscribe project reviewers | 15:20 |
| gagehugo | Is there a way to set that automatically in launchpad? | 15:20 |
| gagehugo | like how it marks "expired" if there's no activity after 60 days? | 15:21 |
| fungi | no way i know of, but it shouldn't be hard to calculate | 15:21 |
| fungi | i usually just set myself reminders if i've proposed to make a bug public on a certain date | 15:21 |
| fungi | it's not critical if it slips a few days, more that we set the expectation that we won't keep reports private indefinitely even if nobody gets around to working out a fix | 15:21 |
| fungi | th vmt can still extend the deadline in extreme circumstances, like a fix is nearly complete or something | 15:22 |
| fungi | i left us the "except under unusual circumstances" loophole in the policy | 15:23 |
| fungi | if anybody disagrees with any of the tasks or proposed order, i'm happy to revisit the plan | 15:24 |
| fungi | and also willing to do the bulk of the work on it as long as i know we're basically in agreement on what needs doing | 15:24 |
| gagehugo | ok | 15:25 |
| fungi | as an aside, here's a way from the command line you can calculate "90 days from today": date -d@$[$(date +%s)+7776000] -I | 15:27 |
| gagehugo | nice | 15:27 |
| fungi | (if your shell is bash anyway, otherwise you might need an echo and |bc or something) | 15:27 |
| fungi | oh, hah, i should have remembered there's a much easier way: date -d90days -I | 15:29 |
| * fungi sighs at how he always overcomplicates things | 15:29 | |
| gagehugo | haha | 15:29 |
| fungi | but yeah, i'll mention that in the process doc | 15:30 |
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| fungi | as for auto-expiring private status, i think we want human oversight anyway | 15:30 |
| fungi | so i'd be uneasy just having it automatically switch to public | 15:30 |
| gagehugo | probably, I just like offloading responsibilities to robots | 15:30 |
| fungi | mostly due to the "extreme circumstances" clause, if we decide it needs more time we'd have to catch the expiration early and disable it, and hope we did that right | 15:31 |
| fungi | s/disable/adjust/ or whatever | 15:32 |
| fungi | but also i don't think either lp nor sb have a mechanism for auto-changing bug types on a schedule | 15:32 |
| fungi | so it's probably a moot point | 15:32 |
| gagehugo | might just be status then | 15:33 |
| fungi | anyway, unless anyone has other suggestions, or wants to volunteer to pick up some of those tasks, i'm done with this topic for now | 15:34 |
| gagehugo | I can send off the email, is that something we want to do today then? | 15:37 |
| fungi | per the above sequence, i think the announcement should wait until we get official documentation updated | 15:38 |
| fungi | just so we're not pointing folks to outdated info | 15:38 |
| fungi | and then the bug updates can refer to the ml announcement too if we continue with the ordering i suggested | 15:39 |
| gagehugo | sure | 15:39 |
| fungi | i've adjusted the order in the pad to match | 15:41 |
| fungi | i'll push up a change for the first step later today, hopefully so folks can review | 15:41 |
| fungi | gerritbot should announce it in #openstack-security | 15:42 |
| fungi | but i can nick highlight folks in there as well if anyone wants me to | 15:42 |
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| gagehugo | ok | 15:46 |
| gagehugo | #topic open discussion | 15:48 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: security)" | 15:48 | |
| gagehugo | fungi redrobot: anything else for today? | 15:48 |
| fungi | nothing too exciting in the security ml archives | 15:48 |
| fungi | bug 1841933 got a fix merged to master | 15:49 |
| openstack | bug 1841933 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Fetching metadata via LB may result with wrong instance data" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1841933 - Assigned to Kobi Samoray (ksamoray) | 15:49 |
| fungi | the fix for bug 1668410 got updated in an ubuntu sru | 15:50 |
| openstack | bug 1668410 in neutron (Ubuntu Xenial) "[SRU] Infinite loop trying to delete deleted HA router" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1668410 | 15:50 |
| redrobot | nothing on my end | 15:50 |
| fungi | and bug 1666959 got marked won't-fix by the neutron team | 15:50 |
| openstack | bug 1666959 in OpenStack Security Advisory "ha_vrrp_auth_type defaults to PASS which is insecure" [Undecided,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1666959 | 15:50 |
| gagehugo | hmm I see | 15:51 |
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| fungi | nothing else to cover this week as far as i know | 15:53 |
| gagehugo | fungi redrobot: thanks! Have a good rest of the week | 15:55 |
| gagehugo | #endmeeting | 15:55 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 15:55 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 13 15:55:29 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2020/security.2020-02-13-15.00.html | 15:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2020/security.2020-02-13-15.00.txt | 15:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2020/security.2020-02-13-15.00.log.html | 15:55 |
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| fungi | thanks gagehugo! | 15:55 |
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| efried | #startmeeting nova | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 13 21:00:03 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is efried. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:00 |
| efried | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 21:00 |
| gmann | o/ | 21:01 |
| melwitt | o/ | 21:01 |
| efried | #topic Last meeting | 21:01 |
| efried | #link Minutes from last meeting: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2020/nova.2020-02-06-14.00.html | 21:01 |
| efried | ACTION: sean-k-mooney to do the train implemented specs business | 21:01 |
| efried | Done: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/706276/ (needs review please) | 21:01 |
| efried | ACTION: efried to ML about spec scrub day | 21:01 |
| efried | Done: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2020-February/012424.html | 21:01 |
| efried | ACTION: lyarwood to curate rocky EM list | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Last meeting (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:01 | |
| rosmaita | o/ | 21:01 |
| efried | Not sure about that last one, and I imagine lyarwood is afk | 21:01 |
| efried | will fup next week I guess. | 21:01 |
| efried | #topic Bugs (stuck/critical) | 21:02 |
| efried | No Critical bugs | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (stuck/critical) (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:02 | |
| efried | However, | 21:02 |
| efried | #link 96 new untriaged bugs (+6 since the last meeting): https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=New | 21:02 |
| efried | #link 21 untagged untriaged bugs (+6 since the last meeting): https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=-*&field.status%3Alist=NEW | 21:02 |
| efried | these numbers are rising steadily | 21:02 |
| efried | #link bug triage how-to: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/BugTriage#Tags | 21:02 |
| efried | #help need help with bug triage | 21:02 |
| efried | I think mriedem said if we get to 100 untriaged bugs, a huge marshmallow man comes and wrecks shop. | 21:03 |
| efried | #topic Reminders | 21:03 |
| efried | SPEC FREEZE IS NOW | 21:03 |
| efried | #link ussuri blueprints https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/ussuri | 21:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Reminders (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:03 | |
| efried | So we're at 30 open blueprints, of which six are still not Design:approved. | 21:04 |
| efried | NUMA topology with RPs | 21:04 |
| efried | #link blueprint https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/numa-topology-with-rps | 21:04 |
| efried | #link spec Proposes NUMA topology with RPs https://review.opendev.org/552924 | 21:04 |
| efried | We've been back and forth on this one. I think it needs one more rev, as noted. Hopefully we can approve it in the morning. | 21:05 |
| efried | nothing to be done now, since the main players are euro. | 21:05 |
| efried | Unified limits | 21:05 |
| efried | #link blueprint unified-limits-nova https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/unified-limits-nova | 21:05 |
| efried | #link spec Add Unified Limits Spec https://review.opendev.org/#/c/602201/ | 21:05 |
| efried | melwitt is +2. Anybody qualified to +A that? (I'm not.) dansmith? | 21:06 |
| melwitt | I think we were hoping for alex_xu for the other approver | 21:06 |
| dansmith | not me | 21:06 |
| melwitt | but bauzas is also reviewing it | 21:06 |
| efried | okay. | 21:06 |
| melwitt | and stephenfin | 21:07 |
| efried | k, next: | 21:07 |
| efried | Support volume local cache | 21:08 |
| efried | #link blueprint support-volume-local-cache https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/support-volume-local-cache | 21:08 |
| efried | #link spec Support volume local cache https://review.opendev.org/#/c/689070/ | 21:08 |
| rosmaita | the cinder side hasn't been approved yet | 21:08 |
| rosmaita | we had a cross project meeting this morning | 21:08 |
| rosmaita | the nova people are not dead-set against it | 21:08 |
| dansmith | unfortunately, that was at 5:30am my time, so didn't get to join | 21:08 |
| rosmaita | yeah, primary person on that is in shanghai | 21:08 |
| rosmaita | so, Liang is going to revise both cinder and nova specs | 21:09 |
| efried | tonight? | 21:09 |
| rosmaita | he's usually pretty quick, and not a lot of new stuff came up in the meeting | 21:09 |
| rosmaita | i don't know if he's that quick | 21:09 |
| rosmaita | i think we will need to ask for a spec-freeze exception | 21:10 |
| rosmaita | (assuming nova does such things) | 21:10 |
| rosmaita | i think most of the cinder-side issues are under control | 21:10 |
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| efried | Okay. I haven't like announced how that works, and dunno if we have a doc for it, but a [nova][sfe] email to the ML seems appropriate for requesting that exception. | 21:11 |
| efried | esp because the people who should agree to same are spread across time zones. | 21:11 |
| sean-k-mooney | typically we have allowed 1 week to ask for an excetion | 21:12 |
| efried | seems like the main cores on the nova side have been gibi and dansmith, with a nod by alex_xu. Are those the right people to collar IYO rosmaita? | 21:12 |
| sean-k-mooney | and i think then wanted 3 cores to +2 or have at least 2 sign up to review it | 21:12 |
| rosmaita | sean-k-mooney: what's your assessment of the reasonableness of this getting done in U? | 21:12 |
| dansmith | I'm definitely not going to approve it so you can just leave me out of it | 21:12 |
| rosmaita | yes, you made that clear on the spec review :) | 21:13 |
| sean-k-mooney | i need to review it but i felt like it would be a streach to get it done | 21:13 |
| sean-k-mooney | if the scope is limited maybe | 21:13 |
| sean-k-mooney | move operations seam unlikely | 21:13 |
| rosmaita | right | 21:13 |
| sean-k-mooney | well live migration | 21:13 |
| efried | okay, let's discuss the feasibility via the email thread. | 21:13 |
| efried | for now, we'll assume it will need an exception, unless it miraculously gets approved tomorrow. | 21:14 |
| rosmaita | ok, i'll work with Liang to get something the ML early next week | 21:14 |
| rosmaita | thanks! | 21:14 |
| efried | thanks for joining rosmaita. | 21:14 |
| efried | next: | 21:14 |
| efried | Support re-configure deleted_on_termination in server | 21:14 |
| efried | #link blueprint destroy-instance-with-datavolume https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/destroy-instance-with-datavolume | 21:14 |
| efried | #link spec Support re-configure deleted_on_termination in server https://review.opendev.org/#/c/580336/ | 21:14 |
| efried | I can't tell whether brinzhang is still working this, but I'll assume if it hasn't had action by tomorrow it's also deferred. | 21:14 |
| efried | anyone have insight? | 21:15 |
| efried | If not, I'll move on... | 21:15 |
| efried | noVNC requires password authentication | 21:15 |
| efried | #link blueprint nova-support-webvnc-with-password-anthentication https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/nova-support-webvnc-with-password-anthentication | 21:15 |
| efried | #link spec Proposal for a safer noVNC console with password authentication https://review.opendev.org/#/c/623120/20 | 21:15 |
| efried | ditto | 21:16 |
| efried | anyone have insight? | 21:16 |
| efried | Last one: | 21:16 |
| efried | nova-audit | 21:16 |
| efried | #link blueprint nova-audit https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/nova-audit | 21:16 |
| efried | #link Add nova-audit spec https://review.opendev.org/#/c/693226/ | 21:16 |
| melwitt | I have a little | 21:16 |
| efried | on the vnc one? | 21:16 |
| melwitt | the use case around the vnc password feature isn't described in much detail on the spec, which raised a lot of questions | 21:17 |
| sean-k-mooney | i think the vnc password spec has merrit | 21:17 |
| melwitt | no one's opposed to the general idea though and there is some valid use case, but the approach needs to be adjusted before we'd want to approve it | 21:17 |
| sean-k-mooney | the usecase is mirroring the behavior of a vnc server to a client | 21:17 |
| efried | Okay, great that it has merit and seems doable, but it's going to need someone to own it and drive it. | 21:17 |
| sean-k-mooney | where you have to enter a vnc password before the terminal of the guest is exposed | 21:18 |
| melwitt | alex_xu had a suggestion for the design that I prefer and the spec has not yet been updated to reflect that. the author said they would update it though if I understood their last reply correctly | 21:18 |
| efried | I left a comment that it needs to be revised asap. Otherwise I'll defer. | 21:18 |
| efried | okay. | 21:18 |
| sean-k-mooney | ya makes sense | 21:18 |
| efried | back to nova-audit: | 21:18 |
| efried | melwitt has taken ownership, but needs to get support from cores. | 21:18 |
| efried | melwitt: comments? | 21:18 |
| melwitt | I sent email to some cores to see if there's any interest in their review of it, we'll see if anyone reviews it by EOD tomorrow | 21:19 |
| efried | wfm | 21:19 |
| efried | any specs or blueprints I missed? | 21:19 |
| sean-k-mooney | i missed the start of the meeting did you cover the mixed cpu and numa specs | 21:20 |
| sean-k-mooney | if so ill just read scollback | 21:20 |
| efried | mixed CPU was approved a couple hours ago. NUMA I mentioned, yes. | 21:20 |
| sean-k-mooney | ok cool | 21:21 |
| efried | So after today's scrub (where I already deferred several that were/seemed dead) we're at | 21:21 |
| efried | 30 total. 24 are Design:Approved, of which 7 are Implemented | 21:21 |
| efried | I've been making noise about trying to reduce the scope to a number we actually think we have a good chance of getting done in U. | 21:21 |
| efried | I don't remember exactly, but I want to say the number 25 was flying around the ML at some point. | 21:22 |
| efried | so, we're really not too far off. | 21:22 |
| efried | I'm going to try to crystallize some kind of process/criteria/whatever and kick something off next week. | 21:22 |
| efried | In the meantime, if you have thoughts on this, please brain dump in | 21:23 |
| efried | #link etherpad for working the scrub https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-ussuri-planning | 21:23 |
| efried | Any questions or other subtopics under specs, blueprints, freeze, process thereon, etc? | 21:23 |
| efried | okay, moving on. | 21:24 |
| efried | #topic PTG/Summit planning | 21:24 |
| efried | Please mark **attendance** and topics on | 21:24 |
| efried | #link PTG etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-victoria-ptg | 21:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTG/Summit planning (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:24 | |
| sean-k-mooney | ok, am to highlight two that you were involved with, with the changes happening at intel will you/intel be able to complete the vtpm and provider yaml spects. | 21:24 |
| sean-k-mooney | e.g. may they need some help to get across the line. i can follow up after the meeting | 21:25 |
| efried | ah, okay. | 21:25 |
| efried | yeah, those two were Definition:Approved a while back, so they haven't been on the spec freeze radar just yet. | 21:25 |
| efried | jroll has taken ownership of vTPM. | 21:25 |
| efried | he will have to advocate for the Direction:Approval of that blueprint I suppose. | 21:26 |
| sean-k-mooney | ok | 21:26 |
| efried | Provider yaml is really really close to code-complete, so I think it makes sense to make it go. | 21:26 |
| sean-k-mooney | ya | 21:26 |
| sean-k-mooney | brb | 21:27 |
| efried | I think we're waiting for dustinc to do another rev (I imagine he's primarily looking for a job rn) but if he doesn't, I'm sure we can talk somebody into doing that. | 21:27 |
| efried | I would, but I want to retain my +2 power | 21:27 |
| efried | but the changes needed are pretty minimal IIRC. | 21:27 |
| efried | Moving on: | 21:28 |
| efried | #topic Sub/related team Highlights | 21:28 |
| efried | Placement (tetsuro) | 21:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Sub/related team Highlights (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:28 | |
| efried | There was noise about resurrecting can_split for the NUMA topo bp, but I think we managed to kill that. | 21:28 |
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| efried | There's some kind of placement API change needed for the shared disk thing, but that's not apparently going to happen in U. | 21:29 |
| efried | So that leaves consumer types. melwitt, update there? | 21:29 |
| melwitt | I'm still chasing a bug in the consumer types patches. I found what's wrong and now trying to fix (sql query stuff that I'm not good at) | 21:29 |
| melwitt | once I fix it, they'll be ready for review again | 21:30 |
| efried | melwitt: remind me, is that a dep of something in nova? | 21:30 |
| melwitt | it is, it's something we'd need to clean up some quirks in counting quota usage from placement | 21:30 |
| efried | cleanup, not a nova bp? | 21:31 |
| melwitt | things like being able to take a "delta" of usage in the middle of a resize, etc | 21:31 |
| melwitt | I didn't make a nova bp about it yet because it's not a thing until consumer types are available | 21:31 |
| sean-k-mooney | its a dep for unifeid limits? | 21:31 |
| melwitt | no, it's not a dep for unified limits | 21:31 |
| sean-k-mooney | ok | 21:31 |
| melwitt | it's a dep for doing things like, stop counting double flavor for a resize that has not been confirmed or reverted yet | 21:32 |
| efried | sorry, I guess I'm asking: will whatever needs to get done in nova, that depends on consumer types, require a blueprint (and therefore be Victoria earliest) or not (and therefore conceivably U)? | 21:32 |
| sean-k-mooney | ah ok | 21:32 |
| melwitt | today we count both the old and new flavor. with consumer types, we'd know how to take the ceiling of the two flavors mid resize | 21:32 |
| melwitt | efried: yeah, definitely won't be anything in U for nova. V at the earliest | 21:33 |
| efried | okay, cool. | 21:33 |
| melwitt | I'm just trying to get the placement side done for U | 21:33 |
| efried | yeah, good plan :) | 21:33 |
| efried | API (gmann) | 21:33 |
| efried | This week update: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2020-February/012563.html | 21:33 |
| gmann | As we can see in email. 4 BPs are ready/in-progress for code review. | 21:33 |
| gmann | Other are still on spec review side and few of them are already discussed. | 21:33 |
| efried | most of those we discussed earlier. | 21:33 |
| efried | yes | 21:33 |
| gmann | On Policy work: I did few more API policy changes and up for review and continuing the rest of the API. | 21:33 |
| gmann | While dong policy BP work, I am finding few bugs in policy side. 5 till now which are mainly on admin-or-owner things which is good. | 21:34 |
| gmann | that's all from my side. | 21:34 |
| efried | thanks gmann | 21:34 |
| efried | #topic Stuck Reviews | 21:34 |
| efried | any? | 21:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stuck Reviews (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:34 | |
| efried | #topic Open discussion | 21:34 |
| efried | [efried] PTL transfer | 21:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:34 | |
| efried | It's not for sure yet, but it's looking increasingly likely that I will no longer be able to continue as PTL after March 31 at the outside. | 21:35 |
| efried | So it's time to start thinking about whether YOU would be willing to take the PTL role for the remainder of the U release. | 21:35 |
| efried | Does anyone want to put up their hand at this time? | 21:36 |
| efried | Not a commitment, just for my information. | 21:36 |
| gmann | FYI next PTL election might be during March(dates are not out yet) | 21:36 |
| gmann | or starting april some time | 21:36 |
| efried | Hm, that would be an interesting wrinkle. | 21:37 |
| efried | okay, good to know. | 21:37 |
| efried | So, anyone? | 21:37 |
| efried | Bueller? | 21:37 |
| efried | okay. | 21:37 |
| efried | FYI there's not a real solid process around this, but if I can't find anyone, the TC "gets involved"... | 21:38 |
| efried | Any other open topics before we move on? | 21:38 |
| gmann | one thing to update on stable gate: stable/rocky|queens should be passing now as stackviz issue is resolved and latest tarball is available for jobs to use. we ca recheck failing one. | 21:38 |
| efried | Thanks gmann | 21:38 |
| efried | Okay, thanks all. | 21:39 |
| efried | o/ | 21:39 |
| efried | #endmeeting | 21:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 21:39 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 13 21:39:11 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:39 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2020/nova.2020-02-13-21.00.html | 21:39 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2020/nova.2020-02-13-21.00.txt | 21:39 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2020/nova.2020-02-13-21.00.log.html | 21:39 |
| sean-k-mooney | o/ | 21:39 |
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