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ricolinMulti-Arch SIG Meeting in 30 mins at  #openstack-meeting-alt07:27
ricolinFeel free to join :)07:27
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joxyuki#startmeeting tacker08:02
openstackMeeting started Tue Feb 18 08:02:55 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is joxyuki. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.08:02
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joxyuki#topic Roll call08:03
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joxyukihi keiko-k08:05
hyunsikyangand Jo08:07
joxyukilet's start.08:09
joxyuki#topic spec08:09
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joxyukiit almost looks good. I can put +2.08:10
joxyukiI can put +2 soon after this meeting.08:11
joxyukiand series of implementation patches are being uploaded.08:11
joxyukiI will start to review them except WIP patches.08:13
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joxyukihyunsikyang, do you have anything to talk about your patches?08:14
joxyukihi, takahashi-tsc08:14
hyunsikyangI replied your comment.08:14
takahashi-tscHello, sorry for late.08:14
hyunsikyangPlease see check it again.08:14
hyunsikyangIMO, now tacker doesn't have testing for C-VNf.08:15
hyunsikyangANYWAY, Please see my comment.08:15
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hyunsikyangI hope this pathck will merge at this stage.08:15
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joxyukiok, I will check it.08:17
joxyukiI think we can remain tests for kubernetes driver for future work.08:18
hyunsikyangYES. It also good Idea08:18
hyunsikyangIn this round, I want to merge two patches.. and staring another one:)08:19
joxyukitakahashi-tsc, do you have anythink to talk about your spec?08:21
takahashi-tscI think remaining topic is "constraint", I'm checking my spec and existing code of "Alarming".08:23
joxyukiyeah, parameters under "condition" are not clear for me also.08:25
takahashi-tscI reply the comment later. In my understanding, "constraint" in Alarming definition is just description, and actual constraint should defined as other attributes.08:25
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takahashi-tscI will consider the definition of event alarm based on the above.08:26
joxyukiumm..., it looks bit strange.08:27
joxyukiBut if you think that code is feasible, I don't care about it anymore.08:28
takahashi-tscI agree... I think we should also change current metric alarming definition...08:28
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joxyukinext https://review.opendev.org/#/c/696819/08:30
joxyukiPTL already put +2. If you have a time, please review it. Any comments and queries are welcome.08:31
joxyuki#topic python308:32
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joxyukiTomi reported a trouble on installing tacker-horizon on python3.08:32
hyunsikyangYes. I got same error.08:32
joxyukiAs you can see discussions on the patch, work around for this problems is changing /usr/bin/python simlink to python3.08:33
joxyukiplease be aware of this work around.08:33
hyunsikyangyes. It also one of the solution.08:33
joxyukihyunsikyang, do you think we should merge this patch instead of changing the simlink?08:35
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hyunsikyangumm... I think this patch can solve this problem temporary...08:36
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hyunsikyangNow in master08:38
hyunsikyangpython3 is default.08:38
hyunsikyangSo, It make a pytone3 env when it install... but only this manage.py make a error.08:39
joxyukiYes, we only support python3 so we can merge it.08:39
hyunsikyangIMO, There is another bug.08:39
joxyukiWhat bug?08:41
hyunsikyangJust Guess08:42
hyunsikyangBucause only mange.py make a error.08:42
hyunsikyangIf you are ok, I think it needs for current error.:)08:43
joxyukiActually I got the same error caused by script in neutron during devstack installation.08:44
hyunsikyangis it also python3 problem?08:45
joxyukiYes. Regarding these errors, it depends on your python2 environment whether errors occur of not.08:45
joxyukiIf your python2 environemnt satisfies requirements of an script, you won't get a error.08:47
joxyukiSo, what I am saying is that we may get these errors dpending on python2 environemnt even if we merge the patch.08:48
joxyukiTo solve this, all shebang, including other project, need to be changed to python3 from python.08:49
joxyukiThis is why I recommend the work around for now.08:50
hyunsikyangI don't know what project use pythone2 until now... , but if we think that pythone3 is default, it is now problem even we change shebang of the manage.py.08:51
hyunsikyangCan we test it again with this patch?08:52
hyunsikyangand it doesn't make a error, we can use it workaround solution. What do u think?08:52
hyunsikyangor just abandon it and change the link.. now chaos of version of python.kkk08:54
joxyukiwhat do you mean "we can use it workaroud solution"?08:55
hyunsikyangthis patch if it doesn't make a error.08:56
joxyukiI think we should abondone this patch for now. But if the all community starts to change shebang, I will re-open it.08:58
hyunsikyangthank your for your concern!08:58
joxyukinot at all.08:58
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joxyukitime is running out. close the meeting. thanks team!08:59
hyunsikyangsee you:)08:59
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ricolin#startmeeting self_healing14:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Feb 18 14:00:45 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is ricolin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
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ricolinFYI I just send out the merge request earlier14:03
ricolin    opendev/irc-meetings master: Rename meeting name for Automation SIG  https://review.opendev.org/70838414:03
ricolin    openstack/governance master: Collect Automation SIG repos  https://review.opendev.org/70838214:03
ricolin    openstack/governance-sigs master: Merge Auto-scaling SIG and Self-healing SIG  https://review.opendev.org/70838114:03
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ricolinAssume the next meeting will be host under Automation SIG14:03
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ricolinWon't expect to change to much14:04
witekhi, sorry, I always forget the meeting is in this channel14:04
ricolinwitek, NP:)14:04
ricolinwitek, you're testing with https://review.opendev.org/700886 ?14:05
witekyes, I've set up own environment14:05
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witekbut all the test run just fine14:05
witekI haven't managed to reproduce the issue14:06
witeknow experimenting with the plugin installation sequence14:06
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ricolinwitek, I wonder if we can call v2 client directly and avoid dynamic import from heat14:07
ricolin#link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/70097014:07
witekyes, I think that's the only working solution right now14:08
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ricolinokay, then I will resolved the unit tests later14:09
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witekis TC planning any community goal around unifying clients?14:09
ricolinwitek, not that I know14:10
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ricolinplan to propose one?14:10
witekno, I recall there were some discussions around that in Shanghai or Denver14:11
ricolinwitek, I think it was not official goal because it need more works to become a community-wide goal14:12
ricolinI don't think anyone volunteer to push it forward14:13
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witekgot it, just wanted to check14:14
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ricolinwitek, I get a  Bad Request error when I depends on https://review.opendev.org/#/c/700970/10 in https://review.opendev.org/#/c/700886/1114:16
* witek checking logs14:18
* ricolin thinking maybe got something to do with new patch dependency14:21
ricolinOkay, there's no need to keep the meeting time running, we can end the meeting and discuss in openstack-auto-scaling :)14:23
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ricolin#startmeeting multi_arch15:00
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ricolin#topic roll call15:00
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ricolinhi rh-jelabarre :)15:02
ricolinhow's everything!15:02
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rh-jelabarretrying to get my head around how to integrate my work with jenkins or zuul, etc15:04
rh-jelabarresince I seem to have the basic deploys working repeatably, it's time to expand coverage15:05
ricolindive in the world of zuul:)15:05
ricolinif that's works on community feel free to update on https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/project/openstack/multi-arch-sig15:07
ricolinif multi-arch related:)15:07
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ricolinsome quick update on SIG, current ARM env is working, and there's some test job work in progress as we recorded under https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/project/openstack/multi-arch-sig15:09
ricolinlike devstack job template, nova job, openstack cloud provider support, etc15:10
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ricolinthe init repo patch is finally out15:11
ricolin#link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/708057/15:11
ricolinshould expect it to merge any time soon15:11
ricolinafter that, we can start put in docs like tasks from https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/200725315:12
ricolinhttps://review.opendev.org/#/c/708317/ looks failed:(15:13
ricolinlooks like some works to do for devstack support15:13
ricolinI mean fully support15:13
ricolinfeel free to dive-in in detail in log http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/multi_arch/2020/multi_arch.2020-02-18-08.00.log.html15:15
ricolinrh-jelabarre, anything you would like to discuss about?15:15
rh-jelabarrenothing today15:15
ricolinjeremyfreudberg is not join us today, I will catch up with him later15:16
rh-jelabarreI wonder if everyone else is meeting up with the IBM staff this week15:16
ricolinrh-jelabarre, possible!15:17
ricolinwill send ML for SIG update later15:18
ricolinif nothing else, let's end this meeting:)15:18
ricolin#action everyone please update/add story in https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/project/openstack/multi-arch-sig15:19
ricolinthanks rh-jelabarre :)15:19
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clarkbwe will begin the weekly infra meeting shortly19:00
fungii'm on the edge of my seat ;)19:00
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fungiyou can probably see me shiver with antici...pation19:01
clarkb#startmeeting infra19:01
openstackMeeting started Tue Feb 18 19:01:25 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is clarkb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:01
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clarkb#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2020-February/006601.html Our Agenda19:01
clarkbWe've got a fairly large agenda today so we may push forward through some topics. In particular I'd like to make sure we have time to discuss pip and virtualenv19:01
clarkb#topic Announcements19:02
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clarkbI've got early meetings for half the day the next two days. I don't expect to be properly around during that19:02
fungisame for me19:03
fungithough they're later in my day19:03
clarkb#topic Actions from last meeting19:04
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clarkb#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2020/infra.2020-02-11-19.01.txt minutes from last meeting19:04
clarkbThere were no recorded actions from last meeting19:04
clarkb#topic Priority Efforts19:04
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clarkb#topic OpenDev19:04
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clarkbDiving right in19:05
clarkbI did update the openstack governance change after our discussion here last week19:05
clarkbthatshould be good to go I think and diablo_rojo has +1'd it19:05
clarkbwe are just waiting on TC review now?19:05
clarkb#link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/705804/ Upgrade Gitea to 1.10.319:06
clarkbit would be good to review and land ^ if it is ready. I think keeping up with gitea is important so that we can deploy the commit cache as soon as it and we are ready19:06
clarkbI can help monitor that today if we get it landed19:07
clarkbmordred: ^ anything new on that topic?19:07
mordrednope. I can also help monitor. it's ready go to19:07
mordredI have not yet updated the v1.11 patch with template changes, but it's also marked WIP19:07
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clarkb#topic Update Config Management19:09
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clarkbI don't think there has been much new here recently. Anyone have anything to add on this topic?19:09
mordredno - I'm on a new tangent with gerrit now19:10
mordredwe need to redo the image build jobs because the bazel sitch has gotten more complex than we can currently handle19:10
clarkbthis is what bazelisk would help with?19:11
mordredluckily, corvus has already written the new stuff over in gerrit's gerrit19:11
fungis convenient, i guess19:11
corvusi'm going to propose some stuff to zuul-jobs today (i meant to yesterday but ran out of time)19:11
mordredso the plan is to port in the stuff from that change series into zuul-jobs so we can make use of it - and maybe to add zuul/jobs from gerritreview so we can get the gerrit job directly19:11
mordredthen have the image build job just copy the locally built war into the image19:12
mordredalso - review-dev.openstack.org SHOULD be a decent redirect alias for review-dev.opendev.org but I'm getting the self-signed-cert warning and I haven't looked in to that yet19:12
corvusmordred: i just tried it and got redirected without warning -- do you have a hosts entry?19:13
mordredI don't - but maybe my browser cached something?19:13
corvus(do i have a hosts entry?  no i don't)19:13
mordredyeah - I'm getting a cert without the alt name for review-dev.openstack.org19:14
mordredbut if it's working for you - maybe shrug?19:14
clarkbthe cert I see is for review-dev.opendev.org19:14
clarkband so hitting review-dev.openstack.org makes ff sad19:15
corvusmaybe i cached a redirect?19:15
mordredyeah. that's what I'm seeing19:15
fungifirefox gives me a really bizarre warning about the site not supporting encryption19:15
fungibut then says it's verified by let's encrypt19:15
mordredmaybe the apache handler didn't fire19:15
fungiyeah, i'd first see if apache wasn't reloaded or has a stale worker from before the reload19:15
ianwfwiw i see what corvus sees, straight to opendev.org ...19:16
clarkbianw: corvus maybe you are starting with http not https19:16
ianwahh, yes19:16
corvusoh probably19:16
mordredyes - http://review-dev.openstack.org redirects cleanly19:16
mordredhttps://review-dev.openstack.org doesn't19:16
fungion closer inspection, firefox reports "Error code: SSL_ERROR_BAD_CERT_DOMAIN"19:17
mordredI'm betting there's an apache handler misfire19:17
fungiUnable to communicate securely with peer: requested domain name does not match the server’s certificate.19:17
fungiand yeah, i have subject altnames for review-dev.opendev.org and review-dev01.opendev.org with a cn of review-dev.opendev.org so no review-dev.openstack.org19:18
mordredanybody want to debug anything further other than trying a graceful on apache to see if it gets it?19:18
fungiseems it was issued 2020-02-05 18:22:30 utc19:18
mordredwhich is when the apache process last started19:19
clarkbmordred: nope, but if you aren't getting the right name after a restart then double check the acme.sh logs19:19
fungier, that was 18:22:20 utc if it matters, i mistyepd19:19
clarkbit may not be validating review-dev.openstack.org or not even attempting to get that name19:19
mordredoh - interesting19:19
mordredwe have a new .csr and new .conf - but not a new .cer19:19
mordredthe .cer on disk is from feb 519:19
mordredso maybe the LE code saw a .cer already and didn't get a new one?19:20
mordredanyway - I guess we can troubleshoot this after the meeting :)19:20
clarkbya that could be a bug in our side too where if the names list changes we don't catch that19:20
ianwhttp://paste.openstack.org/show/789725/ is where it changed19:20
clarkblets move on19:20
mordredwe're _really_ close to review-dev being solid19:20
clarkb#topic General topics19:20
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clarkba friendly reminder that I've been asked if we plan to attend the vancouver ptg19:21
clarkbso far I've had a very lukewarm maybe from mordred :)19:21
clarkbI have until the end of the month to respond. Please let me know if you would like to go or think it likely that you will be going and working on infra things is on your agenda19:22
fungioh, yep, i'll be around... is there somewhere to officially declare our availability?19:22
clarkbfungi: no I was just keeping it informal. Would a etherpad poll like corvus did for zuul help?19:22
clarkbif so I can send that out to the infra lst after the meeting19:22
corvusi plan on going19:22
fungiyeah, i probably was just experiencing fosdem hangover and missed the opportunity to let you know i'd be present19:23
clarkbok so thats ~4 ish if mordred decides that planes are acceptable again :)19:23
clarkbI think that is enough to put in for some time. Thanks19:24
clarkb(and if others plan to be there still let me know as that helps with room sizing requests)19:24
corvusvancouver is totally road-trippable.  mordred can pick me up on the way.19:24
mordredcorvus: you probably won't fit in the car with the drysuits19:25
clarkbmordred: what if he wears the drysuits19:25
corvushow many would i have to wear?19:25
mordredclarkb: that would be an uncomfortable car ride :)19:25
clarkbNext up is trusty upgrades19:26
clarkbI think we're still in a holding pattern for refstack (I need to follow up with foudnation side to see if they got any movement)19:26
clarkbfungi: any progress on the wiki?19:26
clarkbianw: I think static.o.o has made progress. What is next?19:28
clarkbI checked out tarballs.openstack.org using an /etc/hosts entry and it seemed to work with the new server19:28
ianwif everyone is happy that /afs/openstack.org/project/tarballs.opendev.org is keeping sync, then it's a matter of switching dns entries for the host19:29
ianwthen we can remove publishing to the static server19:29
ianwi'm out on pto today, maybe my tomorrow we could do this?19:29
clarkbianw: I guess double check recent releases (last 24 hours) for openstack and see that the artifacts ended up in afs too?19:29
clarkbI don't think there is a rush. tomorrow should be fine19:29
ianwoh, and a quick change to the zuul publishing jobs to move them from /afs/openstack.org/project/opendev.org/tarballs to /afs/openstack.org/project/tarballs.opendev.org19:30
ianwand a sanity rsync19:30
clarkbianw: on the agenda you'd noted that there were redirects and other publishing sites to do. At this point I imagine that is pretty cookiecutter? Is there anything we can help with?19:31
ianwumm, well there's still the service-types site, i haven't looked at that19:31
ianwand if we're still going with a haproxy for redirects then https://review.opendev.org/#/c/677903/19:31
clarkbis that the thing that publishes a simple json blob?19:31
ianwwhich has gone into merge conflict, i can update19:32
clarkbmordred: ^ you probably know about service-types site if there is anything to keep in mind for that19:32
fungii do still wonder why we bother to install a separate haproxy to do something that an apache we're already running can do just as easily, but i'm not vested enough in that to argue further19:32
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ianwwell that was the spec plan, but if we're having second thoughts i'm open to discussion19:33
clarkbThe main motivation was simpler config?19:33
clarkbmaking it easier for more than just openstack to set up similar potentially?19:33
fungii had second thoughts on the spec plan when it was proposed, but was willing to cede since others apparently felt it was easier19:34
ianwmaybe that it's falling out to fairly straight forward config files, not wrapped behind layers of puppet and templating it remains simple enough19:34
clarkbya I think I'm still ok with it. We run it elsewhere and have reasonable experience with the tool19:34
clarkbit is not like adding a cimpletely new tool for something apache could do19:34
mordredclarkb: service-types is just a static site - it's openstack specific - but it just wants to be there and doesn't change super frequently19:34
fungiremember that a redirect only really needs an alias and a rewrite or redirect rule (which could be in a .htaccess file even)19:35
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fungiif we serve the redirects from the same server as the content, they could just be transparent rewrites too19:35
clarkbfungi: it needs a full vhost too right?19:35
clarkbI guess you're saying with an alias we can ahve a single vhost for all the redirects19:35
fungia redirect needs a full vhost, but not its own vhosty19:35
fungiyou can stick as many domains in a vhost as you like19:35
fungimuch like saying a redirect needs a full haproxy19:36
fungiyou don't need to install a separate haproxy for every redirect any more than you need a separate apache vhost for each redirect19:36
clarkbright I'm just trying to think about what it looks like written down in config because that is where people will get lost if we try to make it easy for them19:36
clarkband having a single vhost with a bunch of aliases and redirect rules probably isn't that bad.19:37
ianwnote that in terms of what it looks like in haproxy, that is already worked on in https://review.opendev.org/#/c/678159/13/playbooks/roles/service-lb/templates/haproxy.cfg.j219:37
fungii honestly have no idea what an haproxy redirect config looks like but i have a hard time imagining it being particularly more complex than an apache redirect or rewrite19:37
clarkboh right is it ssl that changes that?19:37
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fungiahh, thanks for the example19:37
clarkbit forces us to do a single cert for all the names or split vhosts iirc19:38
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fungidon't we do that with letsencrypt anyway?19:39
clarkbfungi: ya, I'm thinking in the theoretical future when its more than just static.o.o sites doing that (potentially)19:39
clarkbfor now I think its fine19:39
clarkbits possible that zuul and openstack won't want to share ssl certs19:39
clarkb(but maybe that is also ok)19:40
fungialso i don't see where the haproxy example tells it what ssl certs to use for which sites either19:40
ianwnone of those existing sites have any ssl19:40
ianwso it's not covered there19:40
fungithe amount of boilerplate in the haproxy config is about the same as the amount of boilerplate for an apache vhost either19:40
clarkbah that explains it19:40
clarkbwe are only doing http to https redirection so the ssl concern is not really applicable (for now)19:41
clarkbI'd like to keep moving so that we have time to discuss pip and virtualenv19:41
clarkbwe should be able to sort thorugh this further in -infra and in review19:42
fungigiven these are mostly for sites where we already run apache, wouldn't incorporating them into the apache config for the sites to which they're redirecting actually be simpler anyway?19:42
fungibut yeah, we can defer discussion to later19:42
clarkbnext up was a quick update on the new airship citycloud cloud resources19:42
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clarkbI've got grafana sorted out there and it seems to largely be happy. I can't tell if roman_g has managed to successfully use the larger resources yet though19:43
clarkbLast I saw the cloud was unable to find hypervisros to schedule to.19:43
clarkbMostly a heads up that you may have to double check nodepool logs for nova errors if there are subsequent failures19:43
clarkbAnd that takes us to pip and virtualenv19:43
clarkb#link https://review.opendev.org/707499 pip and virtualenv discussion in comments19:43
clarkb#link https://review.opendev.org/707513 use venv for glean19:44
clarkb#link https://review.opendev.org/707750 use venv in project-config elements; drop pip-and-virtualenv inclusion from element and move to individual configs; add node type with no pip-and-virtualenv.  this can be used for job testing.19:44
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clarkb#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/pTFF4U9Klz Captures the problem and brainstorming around it19:44
clarkbianw has suggested an idea that I think mordred and I are fans of19:45
clarkbwe can use python3 -m venv consistently on all the images we build to install python utilities like glean, os-testr, and bindep19:45
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clarkbthat avoids having a system level pip and virtualenv context19:45
clarkbThen at a job level we can run get-pip.py or system package pip installation depending on what the job context demands19:46
clarkbthis will require some changes to assumptions in our jobs, but we should be able to mask over that with base job updates19:46
clarkband then slowly peel back (I don't actually know what that looks like but it should be possible to do this without too much breakage and pain)19:46
fungii doubt it will be as painful and drawn out as the thick images to bindep transition19:47
clarkbit would be helpful if others can review the notes and changes and point out any flaws with the ideas presented19:47
ianwnote 707750 keeps the images as is, but adds a ubuntu-bionic-plain (or something) that we can use as a test node type19:48
clarkbbut then I'm thinking we may want to formalize this into a spec so that we can communicate it relatively easily with our broad userbase19:48
fungiand yeah, the biggest hole in current use cases is that there's no way to avoid pip installing pip system-wide if you want to use pip to install other packages system-wide19:48
clarkbthat way we can present the problem and plan succinctly in one place that gets sent out on the mailing list19:49
fungipip in a virtualenv/venv can be used to install --local just fine though, and virtualenv in a venv or another virtualenv also works as we would want19:49
clarkbfungi: ya and I think that also reflects that "always install python from source" is becoming less important for the majority of our userbase19:50
clarkband behaving more similarly to distro published images is becoming more important19:50
fungiyou can also use python3 venv to install virtualenv, link that in your execution path, then use that to create a python2.7 virtualenv to install tox in, if you need tox defaulting to python2.719:50
ianwfungi: yep ... but that should definitely be in a base job, not in image build anyway19:51
ianwso we can definitely explore those avenues19:51
clarkbas for writing the spec I expect I can put time into that on friday. I guess let ianw and mordred and I know if there are concern with what is up so far and if not I/we can start writing based on that?19:52
clarkbianw: mordred ^ does that make sense to you19:52
clarkbGreat that gives us a path to move forward on19:53
clarkbThe last topic we have was put up by zbr around third party ci logging recommendations19:53
clarkbwe actually discussed this yseterday and this change was a result19:53
clarkb#link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/708323/ improvements landing here19:53
zbralready sorted the guidelines, and thanks for the help.19:53
clarkbit basically says that compressing files is ok as they get large (because browsers can't render them effectively in many cases), but we should try to ensure important logs are avialable without extra effort19:54
clarkband that gives us ~5 minutes for anything else19:54
clarkb#topic Open Discussion19:54
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zbris still have one question for free topic, i want to improve testing of zuul-jobs roles to test them with centos-819:54
zbrbased on current setup, this would require adding extra jobs, if I have your support I will start doing that.19:55
corvuszbr: have you read https://zuul-ci.org/docs/zuul-jobs/policy.html#testing ?19:55
corvusespecially the last paragraph19:55
corvusand the "all-platforms" tag19:56
clarkbI have no objection to adding more jobs to cover zuul-jobs more effectively19:56
zbrahh, thanks for the hint.19:56
corvusyes, i also have no objection, and ^ can hopefully help do so efficiently19:56
corvus(if we just need to test something specifically on centos-8, that's fine, but most of those cases are also probably worth testing on all the platforms, so the tag might be best)19:56
clarkbagreed particularly with the python switch between 7 and 819:57
clarkbthat has the potential to have broad impact and 7 tests won't catch those issues19:57
zbrcreating jobs is not a goal by itself, i will follow these guidelines.19:57
clarkbSounds like that may be it. Thank you everyone19:59
clarkbwe'll see you here next week19:59
fungithanks clarkb!19:59
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martialHello people :)21:00
martialHey Blair :)21:00
martial#startmeeting Scientific-SIG21:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Feb 18 21:00:51 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is martial. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.21:00
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jandershow are we?21:00
martial#chair b1airo21:01
openstackCurrent chairs: b1airo martial21:01
martialHi janders21:01
b1airogood thanks, yourself?21:01
martialStig apologize but can not join us21:01
b1airo(i'm just finishing a video conf...)21:01
martial(unless that is changing)21:01
jandersI'm good! :)21:01
jandersI've got a conf call with Bright Computing in one hour21:01
janderskeen to hear how they are going with kubernetes-based Bright21:02
b1airooh yeah, are you going to tell them their OpenStack story sucks21:02
jandersplus if that is still work in progress I need some hints how to make BCM more scalable and flexible21:02
martiala few things to discuss21:02
martialsome of which were started in our slack21:02
jandershaha! :)  I told them a way back I like BCM-BCM but I will keep buying OpenStack subs from RHAT :)21:02
martial#topic oF proposal for ISC21:03
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martial#topic BoF proposal for ISC21:03
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martialb1airo championing this, with potentially Stig, Mike, Tim and myself present21:04
martialMike (who is not here?) also has duties as part of the "SuperComp Cloud" workshop21:04
martialand I will be at the "High Performance Container" workshop as well21:05
martialokay well, here we go for the topics to cover :)21:07
b1airowell, i think we tried last year, got a good review but it didn't get up21:07
martial(for our weekly at least)21:07
b1airothe proposals are due today, so thinking of just retrying last year's unless other suggestions...21:07
martialgo for it21:07
martial(did not realize that deadline arrived so fast)21:08
b1airoi'm on panel for SuperCompCloud too. the container workshop sounds interesting - has it got a site or anything yet?21:08
martiallike last year, should be up soon on qnib21:09
martialanything else?21:11
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jandersI'm good :)  unless you guys wanna chat about BCM challenges :)21:13
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janders(not very OpenStacky)21:14
b1airoon containers, did you see it looks like a time namespace is landing/landed21:14
b1airoin linux that is, so containers can have their own notion of base clock offset from host21:15
martialThat is cool, indeed21:17
martialjanders: I can close the meeting and you can ask away unless we have any AOB>21:18
jandersplease go ahead21:18
jandersthanks guys!21:18
janderswe'll chat next week21:18
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b1airojanders: what is your BCM challenge21:19
jandersthere are two main "kinds"21:19
b1airoi assume there is more than one :-)21:19
janders1) upgrades involve very significant fiddling and downtime21:19
janders2) version locking21:19
jandersactually there's also 3) - because BCM tries to do everything on one node class, provisioning/monitoring can and does kill slurm occasionally21:19
janders1) and 3) are somewhat related and side effects of the monolithic design21:20
janderswhat I'm told is it is possible to break out Slurm from the head nodes but that kills many of the slurm-managing smarts in BCM21:20
janderslast time I spoke to them they were like "we're thinking moving to k8s and that should help solve most of these"21:21
jandersI wanna know what's the state of this (suspicion: nowhere near ready, it's a big job) and I wanna know what can we do today thats already supported that can help the above challenges21:21
jandersdo you have any thoughts on those b1airo?21:21
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b1airosounds familiar janders , though i don't have much to do with specifics of Bright ops day to day21:24
b1airothe Slurm integration is something we seem to have thrown out early on, possibly because of our multi-cluster setup21:25
jandersI fixed up my SIG slack so we can move the discussion there if that's okay?21:25
b1airosounds good janders21:25
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