| *** jamesmcarthur has quit IRC | 00:02 | |
| *** yamamoto has joined #openstack-meeting | 00:22 | |
| *** jamesmcarthur has joined #openstack-meeting | 00:28 | |
| *** artom has quit IRC | 00:32 | |
| *** jamesmcarthur has quit IRC | 00:32 | |
| *** artom has joined #openstack-meeting | 00:35 | |
| *** ociuhandu has joined #openstack-meeting | 00:44 | |
| *** yamamoto has quit IRC | 00:47 | |
| *** Liang__ has joined #openstack-meeting | 00:48 | |
| *** ociuhandu has quit IRC | 00:49 | |
| *** yamamoto has joined #openstack-meeting | 00:55 | |
| *** nicolasbock has quit IRC | 01:04 | |
| *** jamesmcarthur has joined #openstack-meeting | 01:07 | |
| *** jamesmcarthur has quit IRC | 01:15 | |
| *** jamesmcarthur has joined #openstack-meeting | 01:16 | |
| *** jmasud has joined #openstack-meeting | 01:22 | |
| *** slaweq has joined #openstack-meeting | 01:23 | |
| *** slaweq has quit IRC | 01:28 | |
| *** jamesmcarthur has quit IRC | 01:53 | |
| *** jamesmcarthur has joined #openstack-meeting | 02:05 | |
| *** boldo has joined #openstack-meeting | 02:16 | |
| *** masahito has joined #openstack-meeting | 02:22 | |
| *** masahito has quit IRC | 02:23 | |
| *** jamesmcarthur has quit IRC | 02:24 | |
| *** jamesmcarthur has joined #openstack-meeting | 02:32 | |
| *** rh-jelabarre has quit IRC | 02:35 | |
| *** maohongbo has joined #openstack-meeting | 02:51 | |
| *** maohongbo1 has joined #openstack-meeting | 03:06 | |
| *** maohongbo has quit IRC | 03:07 | |
| *** maohongbo1 is now known as maohongbo | 03:07 | |
| *** apetrich has quit IRC | 03:09 | |
| *** Liang__ has quit IRC | 03:34 | |
| *** maohongbo1 has joined #openstack-meeting | 03:36 | |
| *** maohongbo has quit IRC | 03:38 | |
| *** maohongbo1 is now known as maohongbo | 03:38 | |
| *** ricolin has joined #openstack-meeting | 03:41 | |
| *** Liang__ has joined #openstack-meeting | 03:47 | |
| *** tetsuro has joined #openstack-meeting | 03:59 | |
| *** jamesmcarthur has quit IRC | 03:59 | |
| *** jamesmcarthur has joined #openstack-meeting | 04:03 | |
| *** jamesmcarthur has quit IRC | 04:08 | |
| *** kiyofujin has joined #openstack-meeting | 04:09 | |
| *** jamesmcarthur has joined #openstack-meeting | 04:10 | |
| *** jamesmcarthur has quit IRC | 04:35 | |
| *** maohongbo1 has joined #openstack-meeting | 04:38 | |
| *** maohongbo has quit IRC | 04:39 | |
| *** maohongbo1 is now known as maohongbo | 04:39 | |
| *** jamesmcarthur has joined #openstack-meeting | 04:48 | |
| *** ricolin has quit IRC | 04:48 | |
| *** jamesmcarthur has quit IRC | 04:53 | |
| *** jmasud has quit IRC | 04:54 | |
| *** jmasud has joined #openstack-meeting | 04:56 | |
| *** vishalmanchanda has joined #openstack-meeting | 04:57 | |
| *** kiyofujin has quit IRC | 04:59 | |
| *** links has joined #openstack-meeting | 05:10 | |
| *** Liang__ has quit IRC | 05:24 | |
| *** yamamoto has quit IRC | 05:31 | |
| *** yamamoto has joined #openstack-meeting | 05:45 | |
| *** ricolin has joined #openstack-meeting | 05:45 | |
| *** dklyle has quit IRC | 06:06 | |
| *** ociuhandu has joined #openstack-meeting | 06:17 | |
| *** ociuhandu has quit IRC | 06:28 | |
| *** ociuhandu has joined #openstack-meeting | 06:28 | |
| *** ociuhandu has quit IRC | 06:33 | |
| *** yamamoto has quit IRC | 06:49 | |
| *** yamamoto has joined #openstack-meeting | 06:53 | |
| ricolin | multi-arch SIG meeting on #openstack-meeting-alt in an hour | 07:04 |
|---|---|---|
| *** dkushwaha has joined #openstack-meeting | 07:31 | |
| *** keiko-k has joined #openstack-meeting | 07:47 | |
| *** ociuhandu has joined #openstack-meeting | 07:49 | |
| *** lpetrut has joined #openstack-meeting | 07:51 | |
| *** slaweq has joined #openstack-meeting | 07:56 | |
| *** tpatil has joined #openstack-meeting | 07:59 | |
| *** takahashi-tsc has joined #openstack-meeting | 08:00 | |
| *** pbhole has joined #openstack-meeting | 08:01 | |
| *** nitinuikey has joined #openstack-meeting | 08:02 | |
| dkushwaha | #startmeeting tacker | 08:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 17 08:02:32 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dkushwaha. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 08:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tacker' | 08:02 |
| dkushwaha | #topic Roll Call | 08:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 08:03 | |
| tpatil | Hi | 08:03 |
| nitinuikey | Hi | 08:03 |
| *** masahito has joined #openstack-meeting | 08:04 | |
| pbhole | hi | 08:04 |
| takahashi-tsc | Hi | 08:04 |
| dkushwaha | hello all | 08:04 |
| dkushwaha | Ok, lets start.. | 08:07 |
| dkushwaha | #topic Openstack Release schedule | 08:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Openstack Release schedule (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 08:07 | |
| dkushwaha | For Ussuri release, we have around one month left. | 08:08 |
| dkushwaha | #link https://releases.openstack.org/ussuri/schedule.html | 08:08 |
| keiko-k | Hello | 08:08 |
| dkushwaha | we needs to focus on code patches | 08:09 |
| dkushwaha | Unfortunately i could not sped enough time on review. | 08:10 |
| dkushwaha | I request you all to please review as much as possible, which is needed for code quality | 08:11 |
| dkushwaha | %s/sped/spend | 08:11 |
| dkushwaha | ah, my typo | 08:12 |
| dkushwaha | tpatil do you have some to discuss ? | 08:13 |
| tpatil | we have pushed patches for vnf packages and VNFLCM | 08:13 |
| tpatil | #link : https://review.opendev.org/#/q/status:open+topic:bp/tosca-csar-mgmt-driver | 08:14 |
| tpatil | above for enhancement of vnf packages | 08:14 |
| *** masahito has quit IRC | 08:14 | |
| tpatil | #link : https://review.opendev.org/#/q/topic:bp/support-etsi-nfv-specs+(status:open+OR+status:merged) | 08:14 |
| tpatil | above for VNFLCM APIs | 08:14 |
| tpatil | Still working on WIP patches. We will push new patches to remove WIP soon | 08:15 |
| dkushwaha | i see, multiple patch there . | 08:16 |
| dkushwaha | just a quick question, why we need changes in requirements ? | 08:16 |
| tpatil | Yes, lot of code for review | 08:16 |
| tpatil | that's needed for vnf packages. We are using sqlalchemy-filter library | 08:17 |
| hyunsikyang__ | Hi I am late. | 08:17 |
| *** tesseract has joined #openstack-meeting | 08:17 | |
| tpatil | for listing vnf packages, user can multiple query parameters in filters which will be mapped to the db models to return matching vnf packages | 08:18 |
| tpatil | for this purpose we are using sqlalchemy-filter library | 08:18 |
| *** apetrich has joined #openstack-meeting | 08:19 | |
| dkushwaha | tpatil +1 | 08:19 |
| dkushwaha | takahashi-tsc could you please help to review these patches | 08:21 |
| takahashi-tsc | OK, I'll check these patches soon. | 08:22 |
| tpatil | For VNFLCM API, we have dependency on heat-translator | 08:22 |
| tpatil | There is one patch that's not yet merged: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/696446/ | 08:22 |
| patchbot | patch 696446 - heat-translator - ETSI-NFV SOL 001 translation: ScalingPolicy - 9 patch sets | 08:22 |
| dkushwaha | takahashi-tsc, tpatil, we needs to close tackerclient patches. so please prioritize accordingly. | 08:23 |
| tpatil | Without new version of heat-translator library, we cannot release VNFLCM API in U release | 08:23 |
| dkushwaha | takahashi-tsc, tpatil, first we needs to close tackerclient patches. so please prioritize accordingly. | 08:23 |
| takahashi-tsc | OK | 08:23 |
| tpatil | Sure. We will push the last patch for heal command today and all patches will be up for review | 08:24 |
| dkushwaha | tpatil, ok so let me focus on https://review.opendev.org/#/c/696446/ first. I will review it and will make sure to ask heat-translator member to merge it | 08:25 |
| patchbot | patch 696446 - heat-translator - ETSI-NFV SOL 001 translation: ScalingPolicy - 9 patch sets | 08:25 |
| tpatil | dkushwaha: That will be great. Thanks | 08:25 |
| dkushwaha | tpatil anything else from your side ? | 08:27 |
| tpatil | Thats all from my side | 08:27 |
| dkushwaha | takahashi-tsc do you have some update ? | 08:29 |
| dkushwaha | #topic OpenDiscussion | 08:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenDiscussion (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 08:31 | |
| takahashi-tsc | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/700167/ Maybe my question is too comlicated...I change my question simple. Chage to just "which of the two is better?". | 08:31 |
| patchbot | patch 700167 - tacker-specs - Support event alarm and vdu_autoheal by alarming p... - 4 patch sets | 08:31 |
| hyunsikyang__ | Hi dkushwaha , if you have a tine please look at my patches. | 08:31 |
| hyunsikyang__ | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/674761/ | 08:32 |
| patchbot | patch 674761 - tacker - Adding Multi-Interface for Containerized VNF in Ta... - 17 patch sets | 08:32 |
| hyunsikyang__ | and we are implementing https://review.opendev.org/#/c/681157/ now. | 08:32 |
| patchbot | patch 681157 - tacker - [WIP]Implementation Fenix plugin in Tacker - 8 patch sets | 08:32 |
| dkushwaha | hyunsikyang__ yup. Sorry bro, I missed it. Will review it | 08:32 |
| hyunsikyang__ | No problem:) | 08:33 |
| hyunsikyang__ | I just want to finish it and do another patches. :D | 08:33 |
| hyunsikyang__ | thanks. | 08:33 |
| dkushwaha | takahashi-tsc, not getting your point. which two ? | 08:35 |
| takahashi-tsc | How to write event_type condition. as event_type or condition. | 08:36 |
| takahashi-tsc | E.g. "compute.instance.delete.end". is this event_type or condition | 08:36 |
| dkushwaha | IMO, it is an event. | 08:37 |
| dkushwaha | Although i suggest to please explore it in details in heat side | 08:38 |
| *** ociuhandu has quit IRC | 08:39 | |
| *** ociuhandu has joined #openstack-meeting | 08:39 | |
| takahashi-tsc | Yes, my concern point is heat side thinking. OK, I explore details in heat. | 08:40 |
| dkushwaha | takahashi-tscthanks, once you finish, please update the same on patch. | 08:42 |
| takahashi-tsc | OK | 08:42 |
| dkushwaha | do we have anything else to discuss? | 08:43 |
| dkushwaha | ok, Thanks Folks.. | 08:45 |
| dkushwaha | Please help on more and more reviews | 08:45 |
| dkushwaha | Closing this meeting now | 08:46 |
| takahashi-tsc | OK thanks | 08:46 |
| dkushwaha | thanks all | 08:46 |
| dkushwaha | #endmeeting | 08:46 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 08:46 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 17 08:46:33 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2020/tacker.2020-03-17-08.02.html | 08:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2020/tacker.2020-03-17-08.02.txt | 08:46 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2020/tacker.2020-03-17-08.02.log.html | 08:46 |
| *** pbhole has quit IRC | 08:46 | |
| *** e0ne has joined #openstack-meeting | 08:49 | |
| *** keiko-k has quit IRC | 08:51 | |
| *** ociuhandu has quit IRC | 08:54 | |
| *** tpatil has quit IRC | 08:54 | |
| *** priteau has joined #openstack-meeting | 09:01 | |
| *** ociuhandu has joined #openstack-meeting | 09:17 | |
| *** ociuhandu has quit IRC | 09:22 | |
| *** yaawang has quit IRC | 09:24 | |
| *** yamamoto has quit IRC | 09:25 | |
| *** yaawang has joined #openstack-meeting | 09:27 | |
| *** dkushwaha has quit IRC | 09:28 | |
| *** priteau has quit IRC | 09:31 | |
| *** rpittau|afk is now known as rpittau | 09:38 | |
| *** nitinuikey has quit IRC | 09:43 | |
| *** tetsuro has quit IRC | 09:52 | |
| *** tetsuro has joined #openstack-meeting | 09:56 | |
| *** tetsuro has quit IRC | 09:57 | |
| *** ociuhandu has joined #openstack-meeting | 10:05 | |
| *** ociuhandu has quit IRC | 10:12 | |
| *** ociuhandu has joined #openstack-meeting | 10:12 | |
| *** yaawang has quit IRC | 10:23 | |
| *** yaawang has joined #openstack-meeting | 10:23 | |
| *** jraju__ has joined #openstack-meeting | 10:28 | |
| *** links has quit IRC | 10:29 | |
| *** maohongbo1 has joined #openstack-meeting | 10:40 | |
| *** maohongbo has quit IRC | 10:41 | |
| *** maohongbo1 is now known as maohongbo | 10:42 | |
| *** Lucas_Gray has joined #openstack-meeting | 10:46 | |
| *** ociuhandu has quit IRC | 10:46 | |
| *** jraju__ has quit IRC | 10:53 | |
| *** ociuhandu has joined #openstack-meeting | 10:54 | |
| *** ociuhandu has quit IRC | 10:59 | |
| *** Lucas_Gray has quit IRC | 11:02 | |
| *** Lucas_Gray has joined #openstack-meeting | 11:02 | |
| *** nicolasbock has joined #openstack-meeting | 11:05 | |
| *** ociuhandu has joined #openstack-meeting | 11:07 | |
| *** Lucas_Gray has quit IRC | 11:10 | |
| *** Lucas_Gray has joined #openstack-meeting | 11:12 | |
| *** ociuhandu has quit IRC | 11:18 | |
| *** yamamoto has joined #openstack-meeting | 11:27 | |
| *** ociuhandu has joined #openstack-meeting | 11:29 | |
| *** rpittau is now known as rpittau|afk | 11:34 | |
| *** rpittau|afk is now known as rpittau|bbl | 11:34 | |
| *** nicolasbock has quit IRC | 11:34 | |
| *** ociuhandu has quit IRC | 11:34 | |
| *** nicolasbock has joined #openstack-meeting | 11:38 | |
| *** nicolasbock has quit IRC | 11:40 | |
| *** ysandeep is now known as ysandeep|afk | 11:46 | |
| *** maohongbo1 has joined #openstack-meeting | 11:55 | |
| *** maohongbo has quit IRC | 11:57 | |
| *** maohongbo1 is now known as maohongbo | 11:57 | |
| *** bbowen has quit IRC | 12:00 | |
| *** bbowen has joined #openstack-meeting | 12:01 | |
| *** rh-jelabarre has joined #openstack-meeting | 12:05 | |
| *** ociuhandu has joined #openstack-meeting | 12:08 | |
| *** yamamoto has quit IRC | 12:12 | |
| *** raildo has joined #openstack-meeting | 12:14 | |
| *** ociuhandu has quit IRC | 12:18 | |
| *** rcernin has quit IRC | 12:26 | |
| *** ociuhandu has joined #openstack-meeting | 12:33 | |
| *** nicolasbock has joined #openstack-meeting | 12:42 | |
| *** njohnston|afk is now known as njohnston | 12:47 | |
| *** enriquetaso has joined #openstack-meeting | 12:48 | |
| *** rpittau|bbl is now known as rpittau | 12:51 | |
| *** Luzi has joined #openstack-meeting | 12:54 | |
| *** ysandeep|afk is now known as ysandeep | 12:59 | |
| *** dklyle has joined #openstack-meeting | 13:03 | |
| *** ociuhandu has quit IRC | 13:07 | |
| *** ociuhandu has joined #openstack-meeting | 13:43 | |
| *** eharney has joined #openstack-meeting | 13:49 | |
| *** ociuhandu has quit IRC | 13:54 | |
| *** ociuhandu has joined #openstack-meeting | 13:55 | |
| *** ociuhandu has quit IRC | 13:58 | |
| *** ociuhandu has joined #openstack-meeting | 13:58 | |
| *** ysandeep is now known as ysandeep|afk | 14:01 | |
| *** Lucas_Gray has quit IRC | 14:02 | |
| *** Lucas_Gray has joined #openstack-meeting | 14:05 | |
| *** Lucas_Gray has quit IRC | 14:07 | |
| *** chuan137 has joined #openstack-meeting | 14:07 | |
| *** Lucas_Gray has joined #openstack-meeting | 14:09 | |
| *** spotz has joined #openstack-meeting | 14:14 | |
| *** chuan137 has quit IRC | 14:17 | |
| *** Lucas_Gray has quit IRC | 14:18 | |
| *** shintaro has joined #openstack-meeting | 14:20 | |
| *** Lucas_Gray has joined #openstack-meeting | 14:21 | |
| *** jeremyfreudberg has joined #openstack-meeting | 14:21 | |
| *** jamesmcarthur has joined #openstack-meeting | 14:22 | |
| *** yamamoto has joined #openstack-meeting | 14:24 | |
| *** yamamoto has quit IRC | 14:25 | |
| *** TrevorV has joined #openstack-meeting | 14:27 | |
| *** maciejjozefczyk has joined #openstack-meeting | 14:32 | |
| *** links has joined #openstack-meeting | 14:35 | |
| *** links has quit IRC | 14:35 | |
| *** ricolin_ has joined #openstack-meeting | 14:47 | |
| *** gmann is now known as gmann_afk | 14:48 | |
| ricolin_ | Multi-arch SIG meeting in 10 mins | 14:51 |
| ricolin_ | feel free to add topic to agenda https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Multi-Arch-agenda | 14:52 |
| *** ociuhandu has quit IRC | 14:56 | |
| ricolin_ | #startmeeting multi-arch | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 17 15:00:51 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ricolin_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: multi-arch)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'multi_arch' | 15:00 |
| ricolin_ | #topic roll call | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: multi-arch)" | 15:01 | |
| ricolin_ | o/ | 15:01 |
| jeremyfreudberg | o/ | 15:01 |
| ricolin_ | jeremyfreudberg, how's everything | 15:01 |
| *** shintaro has quit IRC | 15:01 | |
| *** ociuhandu has joined #openstack-meeting | 15:01 | |
| jeremyfreudberg | ricolin_: things are getting a bit crazy here in boston due to covid-19, but overall life is good | 15:02 |
| jeremyfreudberg | how are you? | 15:02 |
| ricolin_ | Taiwan got 6x cases so far | 15:02 |
| ricolin_ | things seems containable here | 15:03 |
| jeremyfreudberg | containable is good | 15:03 |
| jeremyfreudberg | i think i heard that taiwan is managing the problems well | 15:03 |
| jeremyfreudberg | in comparison to other countries | 15:03 |
| ricolin_ | yeah, I guess most of us learned from SARS | 15:04 |
| jeremyfreudberg | yup | 15:04 |
| ricolin_ | Got any progress regarding multi-arch?:) | 15:05 |
| jeremyfreudberg | ricolin_: no, not really any progress to share here. i still didn't have time for docs :( | 15:05 |
| ricolin_ | we have also discuss about ARM wheels support | 15:06 |
| ricolin_ | and unit test for arms (or other archs too) | 15:06 |
| jeremyfreudberg | ricolin_: unit tests for what? | 15:07 |
| ricolin_ | but no volunteer so far | 15:07 |
| jeremyfreudberg | i mean, testing what specifically | 15:07 |
| ricolin_ | for arm env | 15:07 |
| ricolin_ | allow exist unit tests for projects to run on arm64 env IIUC | 15:07 |
| jeremyfreudberg | oh, you mean running tests on arm env, not writing new tests | 15:08 |
| ricolin_ | tonyb, take the action to create tasks on storyboard, I think it will explain more details | 15:08 |
| jeremyfreudberg | ok | 15:09 |
| ricolin_ | jeremyfreudberg, exactly | 15:09 |
| jeremyfreudberg | cool | 15:09 |
| ricolin_ | #topic open discussion | 15:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: multi-arch)" | 15:09 | |
| ricolin_ | the devstack support is currently under progress | 15:10 |
| ricolin_ | kevinz, is working on | 15:10 |
| ricolin_ | Arm support for kubernetes/openstack-cloud-provide is almost there | 15:10 |
| ricolin_ | only have to enable in CI job | 15:11 |
| jeremyfreudberg | nice | 15:11 |
| ricolin_ | I guess that's all we got for now | 15:12 |
| jeremyfreudberg | yeah, i will try to work on doc before the next meeting in two weeks | 15:12 |
| ricolin_ | jeremyfreudberg, sounds great | 15:12 |
| jeremyfreudberg | ok, talk to you later, stay safe ricolin_ :) | 15:14 |
| ricolin_ | you too | 15:14 |
| *** lpetrut has quit IRC | 15:14 | |
| ricolin_ | #endmeeting | 15:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 15:14 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 17 15:14:37 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:14 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/multi_arch/2020/multi_arch.2020-03-17-15.00.html | 15:14 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/multi_arch/2020/multi_arch.2020-03-17-15.00.txt | 15:14 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/multi_arch/2020/multi_arch.2020-03-17-15.00.log.html | 15:14 |
| *** jeremyfreudberg has left #openstack-meeting | 15:15 | |
| *** bbowen has quit IRC | 15:17 | |
| *** ricolin_ has quit IRC | 15:18 | |
| *** jmasud has quit IRC | 15:20 | |
| *** bbowen has joined #openstack-meeting | 15:25 | |
| *** priteau has joined #openstack-meeting | 15:33 | |
| *** gyee has joined #openstack-meeting | 15:38 | |
| *** Lucas_Gray has quit IRC | 15:50 | |
| *** ociuhandu has quit IRC | 15:58 | |
| *** Luzi has quit IRC | 16:20 | |
| *** ociuhandu has joined #openstack-meeting | 16:31 | |
| *** ociuhandu has quit IRC | 16:45 | |
| *** ociuhandu has joined #openstack-meeting | 16:47 | |
| *** maohongbo1 has joined #openstack-meeting | 16:51 | |
| *** maohongbo has quit IRC | 16:53 | |
| *** maohongbo1 is now known as maohongbo | 16:53 | |
| *** rpittau is now known as rpittau|afk | 17:10 | |
| *** jamesmcarthur has quit IRC | 17:11 | |
| *** lyarwood has quit IRC | 17:11 | |
| *** jamesmcarthur has joined #openstack-meeting | 17:12 | |
| *** priteau has quit IRC | 17:12 | |
| *** Lucas_Gray has joined #openstack-meeting | 17:12 | |
| *** jamesmcarthur has quit IRC | 17:13 | |
| *** jamesmcarthur has joined #openstack-meeting | 17:13 | |
| *** Lucas_Gray has quit IRC | 17:15 | |
| *** Lucas_Gray has joined #openstack-meeting | 17:17 | |
| *** jamesmcarthur has quit IRC | 17:28 | |
| *** ricolin_ has joined #openstack-meeting | 17:29 | |
| *** jamesmcarthur has joined #openstack-meeting | 17:29 | |
| *** jamesmcarthur has quit IRC | 17:31 | |
| *** jamesmcarthur has joined #openstack-meeting | 17:31 | |
| *** Lucas_Gray has quit IRC | 17:33 | |
| *** jmasud has joined #openstack-meeting | 17:36 | |
| *** tesseract has quit IRC | 17:37 | |
| *** ricolin_ has quit IRC | 17:43 | |
| *** jmasud has quit IRC | 17:47 | |
| *** jmasud has joined #openstack-meeting | 17:55 | |
| *** jmasud has quit IRC | 17:58 | |
| *** Shrews has joined #openstack-meeting | 18:31 | |
| *** ociuhandu has quit IRC | 18:37 | |
| *** AJaeger has joined #openstack-meeting | 18:41 | |
| *** rfolco has joined #openstack-meeting | 18:44 | |
| *** diablo_rojo has joined #openstack-meeting | 18:45 | |
| *** rfolco has quit IRC | 18:48 | |
| *** ijw_ has joined #openstack-meeting | 18:50 | |
| *** Adri2000 has quit IRC | 18:53 | |
| *** ijw has quit IRC | 18:53 | |
| *** Adri2000 has joined #openstack-meeting | 18:55 | |
| clarkb | Anyone else here for the infra meeting? we'll get started momentarily | 19:00 |
| mordred | o/ | 19:00 |
| fungi | ohai | 19:00 |
| AJaeger | o/ | 19:00 |
| Shrews | hola | 19:00 |
| *** rh-jlabarre has joined #openstack-meeting | 19:00 | |
| AJaeger | N'abend | 19:00 |
| clarkb | #startmeeting infra | 19:01 |
| *** patchbot has left #openstack-meeting | 19:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 17 19:01:04 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is clarkb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:01 |
| ianw | o/ | 19:01 |
| clarkb | I remember to use the meeting name this time :) | 19:01 |
| clarkb | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2020-March/006609.html Our Agenda | 19:01 |
| clarkb | #topic Announcements | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:01 | |
| corvus | o/ | 19:02 |
| *** rh-jelabarre has quit IRC | 19:02 | |
| clarkb | First up is the plan to switch over irc channels today. This ended up not getting communicated outside our bubble very well, but I'm thinking maybe we can still make the change and kindly redirect people as necessary? | 19:02 |
| clarkb | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/711106/ is the change to update the bot side of that if we think that is an ok plan | 19:02 |
| clarkb | (re communication fails I got distracted by nodepool and world events things) | 19:03 |
| * AJaeger will approve that change once this topic is done | 19:03 | |
| AJaeger | clarkb: yes, we can tell people - sending an email would be great in addition | 19:03 |
| clarkb | AJaeger: ya maybe doing it concurrently is sufficient | 19:03 |
| clarkb | (does anyone object to that plan: switch, be nice to people in the wrong place, and send email today) | 19:04 |
| mordred | ++ | 19:04 |
| mordred | sounds great | 19:04 |
| * mnaser suggests a jar where you throw 5 cents everytime you use the wrong channel | 19:05 | |
| clarkb | sounds like a plan. AJaeger I'm happy to write the email if you don't want to | 19:05 |
| clarkb | (I know its late for you) | 19:05 |
| AJaeger | clarkb: please do | 19:05 |
| clarkb | Ok next up | 19:05 |
| clarkb | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/foundation/2020-March/002852.html OSF email on 2020 events | 19:05 |
| fungi | we've ramped up use in #opendev a lot in the past week anyway | 19:05 |
| clarkb | I'm sure the foundation would love to hear feedback particularly as this starts to affect more and more of us in a tangible way | 19:06 |
| fungi | and opendev+ptg is only a few months away now | 19:06 |
| *** vishalmanchanda has quit IRC | 19:07 | |
| clarkb | from my side, my kids will be home a lot more and I'll likely need to ensure my wife doesn't spend all her time caring for them. This means scheduling may be weird for me especially until we find a routine | 19:07 |
| clarkb | I expect its a similar situation for a growing number of us | 19:07 |
| AJaeger | yeah, kids at home since yesterday... | 19:08 |
| clarkb | something something patience | 19:08 |
| clarkb | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from last meeting (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:08 | |
| clarkb | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2020/infra.2020-03-10-19.01.txt minutes from last meeting | 19:09 |
| clarkb | Theer were no actions | 19:09 |
| clarkb | #topic Specs approval | 19:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs approval (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:09 | |
| clarkb | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/710057/ xwiki for wikis | 19:09 |
| clarkb | zbr: frickler I believe that ttx has updated that to try and address some of the concerns you raised | 19:09 |
| clarkb | from my side I think as a POC this is fine, we'll learn a lot more about vaibility through this experiement and can take it from there | 19:09 |
| frickler | yeah, I'm not completely conviced yet, but I also don't want to block it | 19:10 |
| clarkb | this is also a problem space where we have interest in usage but less so in implementation so any help we can get there is a good thing imo | 19:10 |
| clarkb | if you've got time to (re)review I know ttx will apprecaite it | 19:11 |
| fungi | we've also asserted i the past that for some services which opendev doesn't want to provide directly (for a variety of possible reasons) partnering with a hosted solution we can recommend to users is a viable alternative | 19:11 |
| *** SpamapS has quit IRC | 19:12 | |
| fungi | for example, to replace zanata with another supported translation platform | 19:12 |
| *** tris has quit IRC | 19:12 | |
| clarkb | ya | 19:12 |
| clarkb | I'll give this another minute before moving to the next topic if there are last bits of input | 19:13 |
| zbr | i would personally find the gitea wiki more practical, in the end what stops any project from using their own external SaaS wiki? what makes xwiki more special? | 19:13 |
| clarkb | zbr: gitea wiki is not technically feasible currently | 19:14 |
| clarkb | it requires us to run a single gitea instance instead of 8, that instance must then have writable git repos (somethign that may be problematic with gerrit forcep ushing to it), and we need user management | 19:14 |
| mnaser | is the issue maintaining the wiki itself | 19:14 |
| mnaser | or the spam and whatn ot | 19:14 |
| mordred | both | 19:14 |
| fungi | mnaser: i think that's an issue with any wiki | 19:14 |
| clarkb | mnaser: our mediawiki deployment is in really sad shape and we also don't have many people admining it to deal with spam etc | 19:15 |
| fungi | mnaser: are you asking about wiki.openstack.org deployment of mediawiki, or just in general? | 19:15 |
| clarkb | zbr: the spec was updated to capture those issues with the gitea wiki option | 19:15 |
| mnaser | i see there's official docker images for mediawiki and infra is doing a lot of docker-compose these days | 19:15 |
| *** rh-jlabarre has quit IRC | 19:15 | |
| mnaser | i imagine the infrastructure to get a db and an image up is (mostly) there, i think, but i may be trivializing things | 19:15 |
| clarkb | really I think the biggest issue is no one is saying "I'll make a new wiki deployment and find admins" | 19:16 |
| clarkb | ttx is offering an alternative that attempts to address both problems | 19:16 |
| fungi | the openstack infra team (apart from opendev) is basically stuck maintaining a deployment of mediawiki for a while either way, so i don't object to exploring replacing the current puppet with docker images if we can get the right plugins working in it, but that's probably a somewhat separate topic | 19:16 |
| *** jamesmcarthur has quit IRC | 19:16 | |
| clarkb | (but we recognize its an experiement and we'll have to see how well it does) | 19:16 |
| zbr | my personal impression is that wiki popularity went down since markdown editing on top of git repos become so easy, am I wrong? i see myself having to interact with wikis far less than 10 years ago. Bonus, I do not see much spam as PRs/CRs. | 19:17 |
| mnaser | honestly -- i'd like to move us (vexxhost) towards doing more self-hosted things, so i can help with a solution towards "ill make a new wiki deployment" -- but i cant solve the "admins" part | 19:17 |
| clarkb | zbr: its a common request from projects using opendev | 19:17 |
| *** ijw has joined #openstack-meeting | 19:17 | |
| clarkb | there is a group of users for which using git is the wrong tool | 19:18 |
| corvus | mnaser: yeah, i looked at that a little too, i think it's feasible, probably easier than what we're currently doing, but not entirely turn-key | 19:18 |
| mnaser | i'd gladly write a helm chart that we can deploy (maybe in a single node with k3s) so that i can also leverage it | 19:18 |
| fungi | yeah, right now i'm basically the only person checknig wiki.o.o edits and blocking spammers and mass deleting their pages | 19:18 |
| clarkb | but they need something to share information and collaborate with a bit more reliably (and with history) than etherpad | 19:18 |
| frickler | so the question is: will xwiki.com do spam moderation as part of the hosting, or will we still have to take care of that ourselves? | 19:18 |
| *** jamesmcarthur has joined #openstack-meeting | 19:18 | |
| mordred | zbr: yeah - I agree with you personally - I much prefer in-repo reviewed rst text | 19:18 |
| fungi | as someone who doesn't really even use wiki.o.o these days i'd love for it to be someone else's problem | 19:18 |
| clarkb | frickler: my understanding is they provide tools to do it, btu then maybe we have to tune them ourselves | 19:18 |
| clarkb | frickler: and learning how well those tools work is a good outcome of this experiement | 19:19 |
| zbr | clarkb: sure, but this request does not come with specific wiki platfrom in mind? i am asking because i observed people not being open at all to switch one engine with another, they are not created equal. | 19:19 |
| corvus | to represent ttx's pov, he would *also* prefer that, and did an enormous amount of work to reduce the use of wikis by all osf-related projects, but still this need persists; the spec is a recognition of that. | 19:19 |
| mordred | yup | 19:19 |
| mnaser | i can get a helm chart+ansible playbooks that can deploy wikis tested via zuul | 19:19 |
| clarkb | zbr: typically the request is just for a wiki not a specific wiki | 19:19 |
| corvus | and no, i don't think anyone has strong feelings about a particular engine (other than it be open source) | 19:19 |
| mnaser | i have strong feelings about using an external hosted service IMHO, we've historically always walked the path of self-hosting things | 19:20 |
| mnaser | that's just me though | 19:20 |
| *** ijw_ has quit IRC | 19:20 | |
| fungi | i think the "who will police this" is punted, but the multi-tenant nature of xwiki at least allows each fiefdom to do its own policing | 19:20 |
| mnaser | there's always the possibility of xwiki deciding one day it no longer wants to have a free offering, or they stop maintaining the project | 19:20 |
| clarkb | mnaser: yup and that has happend to us in the past | 19:21 |
| corvus | mnaser: i'd be supportive of revamping our self-hosting | 19:21 |
| *** rh-jelabarre has joined #openstack-meeting | 19:21 | |
| fungi | mnaser: and in such a case it's something we can run ourselves | 19:21 |
| mnaser | fungi: actually, my idea is that ever "group" would have their own deployment of mediawiki rather than one big multitenant one | 19:21 |
| clarkb | the risk is real, but the current state of things is riskier imo | 19:21 |
| corvus | regarding self-policing -- if we have a containerized deployment, ... yeah, what mnaser just said | 19:21 |
| corvus | like opendev's mailing list service | 19:21 |
| corvus | (and like its git service briefly was, until we folded it back in) | 19:22 |
| fungi | mnaser: this same point comes up with the translation platform. we need to move folks off zanata since it's unmaintained. the folks who make the replacement we're looking at also offer to run it free for open source projects (with some caveats) so we talked about taking advantage of that rather than running it ourselves | 19:22 |
| clarkb | my other concern is that it can often feel like a very small number of us do the life support for these more periphery services | 19:22 |
| clarkb | so even if someone spins up a deployment a bit of involvement beyond that would be nice | 19:22 |
| mnaser | i could use a self-hosted wiki, so i would gladly write helm charts that do it (if we're okay with maybe adopting something like using k3s in a single node) | 19:22 |
| fungi | we don't want to wind up in the situation we were in with transifex, which was not really open source and then decided to kick all non-paying users off their hosted platform | 19:22 |
| *** tris has joined #openstack-meeting | 19:22 | |
| *** jamesmcarthur has quit IRC | 19:22 | |
| mnaser | if i was to do this, i'd consume it internally here, and hopefully there will be other consumers | 19:23 |
| corvus | mnaser: i'm not familiar with k3s; why not docker-compose? | 19:23 |
| mnaser | corvus: we deploy all of our apps inside k8s right now, so i was hoping that would be a path we can share with infra so that we can use a common base | 19:24 |
| *** SpamapS has joined #openstack-meeting | 19:24 | |
| mnaser | k3s is pretty much a single node k8s stripped down out of all the unnecessary things using local sqlite instead of etcd | 19:24 |
| mordred | corvus: https://k3s.io/ fwiw | 19:24 |
| corvus | mordred: yeah, i googled that :) | 19:24 |
| mnaser | so that way, infra can consume the helm chart and run wikis, and i can run it in full sized k8s clusters | 19:24 |
| corvus | mnaser: we've talked about moving opendev to k8s, but our aim is to think about that after we actually get containerized services | 19:24 |
| clarkb | I don't think we should add the complexity of yet another system in order to run a system no one is caring for today | 19:25 |
| corvus | we're like a few years behind schedule on that | 19:25 |
| clarkb | (thats my initial reaction) | 19:25 |
| clarkb | that is how these system end up unmaintained | 19:25 |
| corvus | so i'm also hesitant to potentially throw a wrench in that process by moving the target | 19:25 |
| fungi | also my employer is a big part of why i've ended up maintaining the wiki. basically osf staff get contacted with complaints, dmca takedown notices, and various other legal threats if nobody keeps on top of spam policing for wiki.openstack.org | 19:25 |
| *** gmann_afk is now known as gmann | 19:25 | |
| mnaser | i understand, i mean fwiw we're adopting a lot more of the opendev "stack" so im building a lot more helm charts to deploy those on k8s | 19:25 |
| mnaser | (recent example is helm charts that are fully tested for lodgeit are a thing now) | 19:26 |
| mnaser | so i was hoping this can start a little roadways towards that but i understand | 19:26 |
| clarkb | I'm not hearing anyone say that an low overhead (for us) experiment is a problem though? | 19:27 |
| corvus | clarkb: which experiment? | 19:27 |
| clarkb | corvus: the xwiki POC experiment | 19:27 |
| clarkb | thinking we can continue discussion there on the spec | 19:28 |
| clarkb | but we should probably move forward with the meeting agenda | 19:28 |
| corvus | agreed, i still don't object to that; i also don't object to looking into containerized mediawiki (both to help maintain our current system and to provide an alternative if we don't select xwiki). i understand some of the mediawiki stack and would be happy to help with that. i'm less excited about bringing in k3s. | 19:28 |
| clarkb | alright lets move on then | 19:29 |
| clarkb | #topic Priority Topics | 19:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Priority Topics (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:29 | |
| clarkb | #topic OpenDev | 19:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenDev (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:29 | |
| clarkb | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2020-March/006603.html OpenDev as OSF pilot project | 19:29 |
| clarkb | if anyone else has thoughts on ^ that thread is still there :) | 19:29 |
| clarkb | I'll try to remind jbryce that update on process would be good, but I think its been a busy couple of weeks | 19:30 |
| corvus | i apparently had the last word on that one | 19:30 |
| clarkb | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/710020/ Split OpenDev out of OpenStack governance. This change merged. | 19:30 |
| clarkb | thats in which means we can now land the next change | 19:30 |
| clarkb | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/703488/ Update OpenDev docs with new Governance. Now we can merge this change. | 19:30 |
| fungi | yay! | 19:30 |
| clarkb | I've removed my WIP and will hit the +A button at the end of the meeting | 19:31 |
| corvus | i'm pretty sure we've all agreed to it in some form, but that could use some more infra-root +2s just for the record :) | 19:32 |
| * fungi is relieved to see he hasn't forgotten to do that | 19:32 | |
| clarkb | corvus: ya I think most of us have acked it but then a new ps happened for depends on being updated | 19:32 |
| clarkb | frickler: Shrews ^ I Think you may be the last missing active cores if you want to review it | 19:33 |
| Shrews | yep, skimming now | 19:33 |
| clarkb | tyty | 19:33 |
| clarkb | on the service side of things I don't think there have been any major changes in the last week | 19:34 |
| clarkb | anything to add re opendev or should we continue? | 19:34 |
| *** jamesmcarthur has joined #openstack-meeting | 19:34 | |
| corvus | oh | 19:35 |
| corvus | are we talking about gerrit restart this meeting? | 19:35 |
| clarkb | corvus: yes | 19:35 |
| clarkb | was goign to lump that into the next topic since it was lsightly related to mordreds review container work | 19:35 |
| corvus | now or later? | 19:35 |
| corvus | k | 19:35 |
| clarkb | #topic Update Config Management | 19:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Update Config Management (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:35 | |
| clarkb | now works :) | 19:35 |
| fungi | gerrit restart! | 19:36 |
| * fungi still plans to be on hand | 19:36 | |
| corvus | we're still on for friday the 20? did we send announcements? | 19:36 |
| clarkb | last week we sort of penciled in friday 20th. I got very distracted and didn't send announcements | 19:36 |
| corvus | i have no conflicts on the 20th :) | 19:36 |
| corvus | or, like any time for the next 3 weeks :) | 19:36 |
| mordred | I still have no conflicts on the 20th | 19:36 |
| clarkb | I can send announcements today if we still think that is the plan | 19:37 |
| clarkb | mordred: ^ are things ready for that on the technical side of the house? | 19:37 |
| fungi | clarkb sounded like he had an appointment to drive a race car or something | 19:37 |
| corvus | yeah, i'd have liked to do an announcement earlier, but hopefully folks will be understanding | 19:37 |
| mordred | clarkb: no - not 100% - but, if they aren't, I don't think we should block on it (I'm still pretty confident they will be by friday) | 19:37 |
| clarkb | fungi: ya I think I've decided that I need the differently applied concentration that the road trip to arizona would have afforded | 19:37 |
| corvus | i think we should do it because the timing is really good | 19:37 |
| clarkb | mordred: gotcha so do the rename and not containers if necessary | 19:37 |
| mordred | yah. rename + containers if we're happy | 19:38 |
| fungi | all sounds fine to me | 19:38 |
| clarkb | in that case I can send announcements after the meeting to the various project lists as well as one for #openstack-infra | 19:38 |
| corvus | i'd really like to do the containers; what needs doing there? | 19:38 |
| corvus | reviews, or is there some mini-task i can help with? | 19:39 |
| *** maciejjozefczyk has quit IRC | 19:39 | |
| clarkb | mordred: ^ | 19:40 |
| mordred | corvus: I just need to do the manage-projects shift and not something else | 19:41 |
| mordred | corvus: I'll definitely ping you for reviews when I've got the patch | 19:42 |
| corvus | mordred: k, lemme know if/how i can help, thx | 19:42 |
| mordred | kk. will do | 19:42 |
| clarkb | is it reasonable to potentially say "project additions won't work" for a few days if that doesn't get done before firday? | 19:42 |
| clarkb | then make that the next week's priority ? | 19:42 |
| mordred | maybe - but I think it'll get done and be fine | 19:43 |
| clarkb | k | 19:43 |
| clarkb | The other config management topic was one I added under general topics but realized putting the agenda together on my local machine that we can cover here | 19:44 |
| clarkb | the nb01/4.opendev.org rebuild | 19:44 |
| clarkb | we've learned that docker and podman do behave differently at times | 19:44 |
| clarkb | sounds like that is causing us to shift towards docker for consistency | 19:44 |
| clarkb | and long story short nb04.opendev.org will be a new server in the near future to avoid hostname conflicts | 19:45 |
| clarkb | ianw: mordred ^ anything else to add to that? | 19:45 |
| ianw | not really, yeah in progress ... | 19:45 |
| mordred | yeah. that covers it | 19:46 |
| *** jamesmcarthur has quit IRC | 19:46 | |
| clarkb | #topic General Topics | 19:46 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "General Topics (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:46 | |
| *** jamesmcarthur has joined #openstack-meeting | 19:46 | |
| clarkb | fungi: I don't suppose there are updates on the wiki puppetry? | 19:46 |
| clarkb | (based on earlier discussion I don't think so) | 19:46 |
| mordred | minor gitea bump: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/713517/ | 19:47 |
| fungi | sounds like the best update is that mnaser might try out the docker containers | 19:47 |
| fungi | the biggest challenges there will probably be making sure to cover openid integration and spam control/prevention | 19:47 |
| *** jmasud has joined #openstack-meeting | 19:48 | |
| fungi | we have a ton of spam prevention mechanisms in place on the current deployment | 19:48 |
| fungi | and the openid extension is kinda finicky (i'm still struggling with it) | 19:48 |
| fungi | but no, i've made no new progress on it | 19:49 |
| clarkb | thats good input for anyone looking at alternative deployment methods | 19:49 |
| clarkb | ianw: next up is static.o.o | 19:50 |
| clarkb | have we cleaned up the bits that need cleaning up? and/or should we remove this topic at this point? | 19:50 |
| clarkb | (as a related side note, the goaccess report generation is working now with the longer timeouts) | 19:50 |
| ianw | no we haven't; maybe give me an action to do that in this week and we can stop discussing it next week | 19:50 |
| ianw | (cleanup static bits i mean) | 19:51 |
| clarkb | #action ianw cleanup static.openstack.org and files02.openstack.org resources that are no longer needed (now served by static.opendev.org) | 19:51 |
| clarkb | thanks! | 19:51 |
| fungi | that entire replacement effort has gone really, really, amazingly well | 19:51 |
| mordred | ++ | 19:51 |
| clarkb | we've covered nb04.opendev.org and talked about gerrit downtime | 19:51 |
| clarkb | oh I'll need to know a time window for email announcement | 19:52 |
| clarkb | I expect I'll not be around so will let someone who has volunteered give me a window :) | 19:52 |
| mordred | I'm free all day | 19:52 |
| fungi | my available hours are probably somewhere in the 13:00-00:00 utc range | 19:52 |
| fungi | though i can go later if needed, earlier is a bit of a caffeination risk | 19:53 |
| corvus | i'm generally up by, what... 1400 utc? | 19:53 |
| clarkb | should we say 1500-1600 UTC then so that corvus can have breakfast? | 19:54 |
| fungi | wfm | 19:54 |
| corvus | if clarkb isn't aronud and i'm the latest, i'd say feel free to start at 1400 or even earlier, since i'm backup | 19:54 |
| mordred | wfm | 19:54 |
| clarkb | ok 1400-1500 it is | 19:54 |
| corvus | but if clarkb secretly wants us to start at 1500 so he can drop in if he feels like it, that's cool too :) | 19:55 |
| clarkb | lets go 1400 then if I decide I want to be around that isn't too terrible for me | 19:55 |
| mordred | cool | 19:55 |
| clarkb | and gives me more time after to drive fake cars | 19:55 |
| clarkb | #topic Open Discussion | 19:55 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:55 | |
| clarkb | And now ~4 minutes for anything else | 19:55 |
| fungi | and now for something completely different | 19:56 |
| fungi | it's the toad elevating moment? | 19:56 |
| fungi | owl stretching time? | 19:56 |
| AJaeger | zuul-jobs repo has quite a lot of open reviews where I'm unsure, would appreciate if somebody could do a review round and push stuff forward or advise what should not go in or needs change | 19:56 |
| clarkb | #info zuul-jobs could use reviews | 19:57 |
| frickler | weird last minute idea: would we want an #opendev-meeting channel, too? | 19:58 |
| clarkb | frickler: I was thinking we might shift to doing the meeting in channel | 19:58 |
| fungi | yeah | 19:58 |
| frickler | ah, I don't like that | 19:58 |
| clarkb | (also the meeting name is channel independent so we can keep doing it here for a bit if necessary or try a few things and still have continuity of log collection) | 19:59 |
| clarkb | and at some point call it opendev (and possibly do a file rename on the logs server) | 19:59 |
| fungi | i guess there were two main reasons behind openstack's community having dedicated meeting channels... reduction in schedule overlap and it gets the meeting talk uot of the general discussion channel... the first doesn't really apply for us and teh second is a matter of personal taste | 19:59 |
| clarkb | fungi: ya I think the second would be the concern, frickler is that your concern? | 20:00 |
| frickler | the idea was that ppl might not like the openstack part of the name here | 20:00 |
| clarkb | (also we are at time but there is no meeting after us so can close this topic quickly) | 20:00 |
| frickler | and also yes the latter | 20:00 |
| fungi | a similar topic is what to do with #openstack-infra-incident | 20:00 |
| fungi | but we're out of time in here | 20:00 |
| fungi | (if this were in #opendev we could just keep going!) | 20:00 |
| clarkb | ya I think we can create new channels for both of those in order to keep regular discussions in the main channel | 20:01 |
| clarkb | #endmeeting | 20:01 |
| mnaser | fwiw something that i noticed when doing in channel meetings is the bot spam gets picked up btw | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 20:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 17 20:01:11 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2020/infra.2020-03-17-19.01.html | 20:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2020/infra.2020-03-17-19.01.txt | 20:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2020/infra.2020-03-17-19.01.log.html | 20:01 |
| clarkb | fungi has guilted me into letting you all eat $meal :) | 20:01 |
| fungi | mmm$meal | 20:01 |
| clarkb | feel free to continue the discussion in #opendev and thank you all for yout time | 20:01 |
| *** Shrews has left #openstack-meeting | 20:02 | |
| *** AJaeger has left #openstack-meeting | 20:03 | |
| *** martial_ has joined #openstack-meeting | 20:04 | |
| *** martial_ is now known as martial | 20:05 | |
| martial | With a ton of people working mostly remotely lately, I do not know that we are having a Scientific SIG meeting today | 20:05 |
| *** macz_ has joined #openstack-meeting | 20:06 | |
| *** macz_ has left #openstack-meeting | 20:06 | |
| *** jamesmcarthur has quit IRC | 20:08 | |
| *** jamesmcarthur has joined #openstack-meeting | 20:10 | |
| *** jamesmcarthur has quit IRC | 20:15 | |
| *** jamesmcarthur has joined #openstack-meeting | 20:16 | |
| *** ociuhandu has joined #openstack-meeting | 20:21 | |
| *** TrevorV has quit IRC | 20:25 | |
| *** trandles has joined #openstack-meeting | 20:33 | |
| *** jmasud has quit IRC | 20:55 | |
| *** jmasud has joined #openstack-meeting | 20:56 | |
| *** ociuhandu has quit IRC | 20:57 | |
| *** b1airo has joined #openstack-meeting | 21:00 | |
| trandles | Hi b1airo meeting today? | 21:03 |
| b1airo | hi trandles | 21:03 |
| b1airo | not sure actually, just jumping into Slack to see if we've discussed... | 21:03 |
| *** jamesmcarthur has quit IRC | 21:04 | |
| b1airo | quiet over there - will lurk for a while and see if anyone turns up | 21:05 |
| b1airo | you being called into many contingency and service continuity meetings at the moment trandles ? | 21:05 |
| trandles | I haven't seen official word but I have serious doubts about Vancouver PTG and ISC | 21:06 |
| trandles | We're all work from home for the time being | 21:06 |
| trandles | Not even domestic work travel is allowed | 21:06 |
| trandles | If this all dies down over the summer we're going to be crushed with late year travel to make up for lost time | 21:07 |
| b1airo | getting it to die down anytime soon would take a much more consistent and coordinated global approach methinks | 21:07 |
| *** oneswig has joined #openstack-meeting | 21:08 | |
| oneswig | hi | 21:08 |
| *** jamesmcarthur has joined #openstack-meeting | 21:08 | |
| oneswig | sorry, trouble at mill | 21:08 |
| b1airo | #startmeeting scientific-sig | 21:10 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 17 21:10:06 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is b1airo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:10 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: scientific-sig)" | 21:10 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scientific_sig' | 21:10 |
| b1airo | #chair oneswig | 21:10 |
| openstack | Current chairs: b1airo oneswig | 21:10 |
| oneswig | g'day | 21:10 |
| b1airo | howdy | 21:10 |
| oneswig | what's new? | 21:10 |
| b1airo | whole team wfh test today | 21:10 |
| *** trandles_ has joined #openstack-meeting | 21:11 | |
| oneswig | Been doing it ourselves too. | 21:11 |
| *** trandles has quit IRC | 21:11 | |
| trandles_ | Well, my VPN connection to work dropped, sorry about that | 21:11 |
| trandles_ | Too many working from home I guess | 21:11 |
| b1airo | other than that, not much. trying to psych myself to dive into our old Bright OpenStack private cloud again this week if i can find some time | 21:11 |
| b1airo | your VPN takes default gateway i take trandles_ ? | 21:12 |
| b1airo | your VPN takes default gateway i take it trandles_ ? | 21:12 |
| trandles_ | yeah | 21:12 |
| trandles_ | Everything routes through the VPN when connected | 21:12 |
| oneswig | tedious | 21:13 |
| trandles_ | It was surprisingly stable until just now | 21:13 |
| *** jamesmcarthur has quit IRC | 21:13 | |
| oneswig | The full WFH impact hasn't hit as schools remain open here. | 21:13 |
| trandles_ | Schools closed here Monday for 3 weeks | 21:14 |
| *** ociuhandu has joined #openstack-meeting | 21:14 | |
| trandles_ | So no definitive word on Vancouver? | 21:15 |
| oneswig | Quick q: does anyone know how atomic ceph rbd snapshots are? If a volume is active when the snapshot is made, how coherent is the snapshot? | 21:15 |
| oneswig | trandles_: not seen anything myself but not paid much attention either. | 21:16 |
| b1airo | oneswig: they are atomic from the perspective of the block device, i.e., all blocks are snapshot at same time - whether any filesystems atop that device are consistent at that point in time is a different question/issue though | 21:20 |
| b1airo | i imagine there are some potential caveats there if you're cross-mounting a single rbd though | 21:21 |
| oneswig | OK thanks b1airo, good to know | 21:22 |
| b1airo | any cephfs fun to report? | 21:23 |
| b1airo | also, anyone used dc/os aka mesosphere? | 21:24 |
| oneswig | Nothing recently on CephFS. | 21:24 |
| oneswig | b1airo: Nick Jones (formerly of our team) joined D2IQ, formerly Mesosphere. But I think he's working on Kubernetes. | 21:25 |
| trandles_ | b1airo, I hear rumors that someone in LANL HPC is doing some work with DC/OS but it's not me and I don't know too awful much | 21:25 |
| trandles_ | I had a summer student do an evaluation of it but it was in 2016 so I'm sure it bears little resemblance to recent DC/OS | 21:26 |
| *** dtroyer has quit IRC | 21:26 | |
| b1airo | cheers. in the rebranding process they seem to have moved "mesosphere" from company name to product line ("ksphere" being a newer line of business) | 21:26 |
| *** dtroyer has joined #openstack-meeting | 21:27 | |
| *** dtroyer has left #openstack-meeting | 21:27 | |
| b1airo | one of my teams is using it in dev/test and we're trying to figure out what makes most sense for prod, e.g., keep using dc/os, just do vanilla k8s, konvoy, something else entirely... | 21:28 |
| b1airo | Magnum would be another possibility if we had Bright under control enough to deploy it | 21:28 |
| *** enriquetaso has quit IRC | 21:29 | |
| *** enriquetaso has joined #openstack-meeting | 21:30 | |
| oneswig | The recent experience we've had with Magnum is that the version of Kubernetes deployed is tied to the version of Magnum (which releases more slowly). That can be a problem if, shameless neophyte that you are, you want to always run the latest version of k8s and hang the portability. | 21:31 |
| *** rcernin has joined #openstack-meeting | 21:31 | |
| b1airo | would really like to have one container/service orchestration platform that we can use for hosting our own and end-user's services | 21:31 |
| oneswig | I think they might be looking to decouple that more, to everyone's benefit | 21:31 |
| oneswig | We certainly like using Magnum for that, noting this limitation that you're often a version or two behind on k8s | 21:32 |
| b1airo | yeah, sounds like a prerequisite oneswig | 21:32 |
| b1airo | Cray's original Urika tools had this issue and were dead in the water due to it | 21:33 |
| *** enriquetaso has quit IRC | 21:34 | |
| oneswig | I think their issues were far more severe than that. | 21:35 |
| b1airo | lol | 21:35 |
| *** jamesmcarthur has joined #openstack-meeting | 21:35 | |
| b1airo | i was being kinder than usual | 21:35 |
| oneswig | trandles_: how's the first months of OSA going? | 21:36 |
| trandles_ | It's been...rewarding? | 21:36 |
| trandles_ | lol | 21:36 |
| trandles_ | When it just works it's great. When something breaks and you can figure out WTF is going on it feels like you've accomplished something. ;) | 21:37 |
| *** rcernin has quit IRC | 21:37 | |
| *** rcernin has joined #openstack-meeting | 21:38 | |
| trandles_ | To be fair almost ALL of the issues I have had are either self-inflicted, a gap in documentation, or due to the gnocchi fiasco. | 21:38 |
| trandles_ | I think the benefits of OSA greatly outweigh the challenges I've encountered. I'm also super happy with using LXC for the service containers. | 21:39 |
| oneswig | Interesting - and I don't think your issues are unique to OSA by any means. | 21:39 |
| trandles_ | LXC is certainly more lightweight than docker. It's rock-solid stable, survives reboots easily, etc. I had a filesystem fill on one of my two controller testbeds last week and debugging the mess it created was fairly easy with everything in LXC. | 21:41 |
| *** jamesmcarthur has quit IRC | 21:41 | |
| oneswig | Does it still use bridge networking, or is it host networking? | 21:43 |
| trandles_ | bridge | 21:43 |
| oneswig | For a while early on I remember we deployed Monasca in LXC containers and it didn't make the host feel rock solid. That was a few years ago now though. | 21:45 |
| trandles_ | https://docs.openstack.org/openstack-ansible/train/reference/architecture/container-networking.html | 21:45 |
| *** jamesmcarthur has joined #openstack-meeting | 21:45 | |
| trandles_ | That's the reference for what I deployed on the testbed. We're reviewing it for all of our needs now and seeing what we're going to modify for the larger production cloud. | 21:45 |
| trandles_ | When I say "we" I mean with one of our network architects who knows how everything we need to interface without outside of the cloud is put together and a security guy | 21:46 |
| *** ociuhandu has quit IRC | 21:46 | |
| trandles_ | We're also using the testbed to convince program that it's worth their money to buy storage appliances and good network gear to offload as much as we can. | 21:48 |
| oneswig | Is it also Linuxbridge networking for tenant overlay networking? | 21:48 |
| trandles_ | It's linuxbridge now, yes | 21:48 |
| oneswig | All the more surprising that there was a plan to deprecate that. | 21:49 |
| trandles_ | Networking is the one place where we'll probably end up writing a good bit of our own ansible to get what we actually need. | 21:49 |
| trandles_ | But that's not surprising | 21:49 |
| *** jamesmcarthur has quit IRC | 21:49 | |
| *** jamesmcarthur has joined #openstack-meeting | 21:50 | |
| oneswig | trandles_: will you document/present your networking changes, are they generic for a high-security environment or specific to your place? | 21:51 |
| trandles_ | I might be able to. An example is everywhere our production clusters interface with the backend network (license servers, all filesystems, etc.) we are going from the cluster fabric to IB (IPoIB) and running quagga/zebra for OSPF. | 21:53 |
| trandles_ | It's pretty specific to our setup and might be changing soon...but that's outside of my control and a large part of why I'm working closely with one of our network gurus to get this right before we actually deploy | 21:53 |
| oneswig | makes sense, I think. | 21:55 |
| trandles_ | I'm not sure it makes sense any more. A lot of this was a product of wanting insane bandwidth and having a crazily parallel backbone to get it. Paths all over the place, incredibly difficult to debug. Now we can buy 100gig commodity hardware. | 21:57 |
| trandles_ | It has me kinda dragging my feet a little bit knowing that it's likely to be a lot simpler soon. | 21:58 |
| oneswig | Will it though - surely the clients will just want more of that? | 21:59 |
| oneswig | We are at the hour - final comments? | 22:00 |
| trandles_ | It's the same problem we've always had. Make the network faster and simpler and now we need a better filesystem. ;) | 22:00 |
| oneswig | Right, move the bottleneck! | 22:00 |
| *** ociuhandu has joined #openstack-meeting | 22:01 | |
| oneswig | #endmeeting | 22:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 22:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 17 22:01:39 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2020/scientific_sig.2020-03-17-21.10.html | 22:01 |
| oneswig | Thanks all | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2020/scientific_sig.2020-03-17-21.10.txt | 22:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2020/scientific_sig.2020-03-17-21.10.log.html | 22:01 |
| trandles_ | Later, stay healthy :D | 22:01 |
| b1airo | sorry oneswig trandles_ - i got pulled into a Zoom | 22:04 |
| b1airo | see you later! | 22:04 |
| *** ociuhandu has quit IRC | 22:06 | |
| *** trandles_ has quit IRC | 22:17 | |
| *** e0ne has quit IRC | 22:18 | |
| *** mattw4 has joined #openstack-meeting | 22:24 | |
| *** mattw4 has quit IRC | 22:25 | |
| *** mattw4 has joined #openstack-meeting | 22:25 | |
| *** mattw4 has quit IRC | 22:25 | |
| *** slaweq has quit IRC | 22:39 | |
| *** bbowen has quit IRC | 22:45 | |
| *** bbowen has joined #openstack-meeting | 22:45 | |
| *** raildo has quit IRC | 22:46 | |
| *** slaweq has joined #openstack-meeting | 22:50 | |
| *** slaweq has quit IRC | 22:54 | |
| *** jamesmcarthur has quit IRC | 22:56 | |
| *** jamesmcarthur has joined #openstack-meeting | 22:59 | |
| *** macz_ has joined #openstack-meeting | 23:02 | |
| *** oneswig has quit IRC | 23:09 | |
| *** macz_ has quit IRC | 23:16 | |
| *** e0ne has joined #openstack-meeting | 23:30 | |
| *** e0ne has quit IRC | 23:31 | |
| *** takahashi-tsc has quit IRC | 23:35 | |
| *** jamesmcarthur has quit IRC | 23:44 | |
| *** jamesmcarthur has joined #openstack-meeting | 23:46 | |
| *** jamesmcarthur has quit IRC | 23:51 | |
| *** ijw has quit IRC | 23:55 | |
Generated by irclog2html.py 2.15.3 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!