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| slaweq_ | #startmeeting neutron_drivers | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Fri May 8 14:00:03 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is slaweq_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_drivers)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers' | 14:00 |
| slaweq_ | #chair slaweq | 14:00 |
| openstack | Warning: Nick not in channel: slaweq | 14:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: slaweq slaweq_ | 14:00 |
| *** slaweq_ is now known as slaweq | 14:00 | |
| slaweq | hello | 14:00 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 14:00 |
| haleyb | hi, glad we have a backup slaweq in the channel :) | 14:00 |
| njohnston_ | o/ | 14:00 |
| yamamoto | hi | 14:01 |
| slaweq | :) | 14:01 |
| amotoki | hi | 14:01 |
| slaweq | I think we can start | 14:01 |
| slaweq | #topic RFEs | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "RFEs (Meeting topic: neutron_drivers)" | 14:01 | |
| slaweq | we have 2 RFEs for today | 14:01 |
| slaweq | first one: | 14:01 |
| ralonsoh | hi | 14:01 |
| slaweq | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1875516 - [RFE] Allow sharing security groups as read-only | 14:01 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1875516 in neutron "[RFE] Allow sharing security groups as read-only" [Wishlist,New] | 14:01 |
| slaweq | proposed by rm_work | 14:02 |
| njohnston_ | there is also a proposed spec here: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/724207/2/specs/ussuri/share-security-groups-readonly.rst,unified | 14:03 |
| patchbot | patch 724207 - neutron-specs - Allow sharing security groups as read-only - 2 patch sets | 14:03 |
| slaweq | thx njohnston_ :) | 14:03 |
| njohnston_ | Personally I think this makes a lot of sense | 14:04 |
| njohnston_ | and it will be very useful in a private cloud situation where a centralized group can develop and share security policies | 14:04 |
| mlavalle | +1 | 14:04 |
| amotoki | it makes sense to me too. I think it is a common usecase to share a sg with read-only | 14:04 |
| slaweq | I'm also fine with this rfe and spec | 14:05 |
| slaweq | I think that this is also like that in fwaas, right? | 14:05 |
| slaweq | but I'm not sure if it can be readonly there | 14:05 |
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| ralonsoh | +1 to this idea, makes sense | 14:06 |
| amotoki | IIRC in case of fwaas we just support 'shared' so it would be read-only | 14:06 |
| slaweq | amotoki: ok, thx for confirmation | 14:07 |
| njohnston_ | Yes, the shared attribute served much the same purpose | 14:08 |
| slaweq | mlavalle: do You know if rm_work is going to implement that? | 14:08 |
| mlavalle | he is | 14:08 |
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| slaweq | great | 14:08 |
| mlavalle | and if he doesn't, we, Verizon Media, will implement it | 14:08 |
| mlavalle | we need it | 14:08 |
| slaweq | and this can be later reused for other resources if needed | 14:09 |
| slaweq | so I'm +1 for this RFE | 14:09 |
| njohnston_ | indeed | 14:09 |
| njohnston_ | I am glad that we're incorporating some of the value of fwaas into the mainline since fwaas is terminal | 14:09 |
| mlavalle | we are also doing it with the group adrees stuff | 14:09 |
| mlavalle | inciorporating it to sg | 14:10 |
| njohnston_ | yep | 14:10 |
| njohnston_ | it is a good thing | 14:10 |
| slaweq | haleyb: yamamoto: any thoughts? | 14:10 |
| yamamoto | this rfe seems fine to me | 14:10 |
| haleyb | +1 from me, seems useful to more than just SG perhaps later | 14:10 |
| slaweq | great, so I'm going to mark this rfe as approved then and track it for Victoria | 14:11 |
| slaweq | thx | 14:11 |
| slaweq | let's move on to the second one | 14:11 |
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| slaweq | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1873091/ - [RFE] Neutron ports dns_assignment does not match the designate DNS records for Neutron port | 14:11 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1873091 in neutron "[RFE] Neutron ports dns_assignment does not match the designate DNS records for Neutron port" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 14:11 |
| slaweq | this is going back to use again :) | 14:11 |
| slaweq | mlavalle: as You were involved in that in the past maybe You can do some introduction of the problem :) | 14:12 |
| mlavalle | yes | 14:12 |
| mlavalle | we implemented internal DNS resolution back in LIberty according to this spec: https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/neutron-specs/specs/liberty/internal-dns-resolution.html | 14:13 |
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| mlavalle | and that's the behavior that we have enforced so far | 14:14 |
| mlavalle | however, that behavior is proving to be too restrictive for some use cases that have arisen more recently | 14:14 |
| amotoki | the original spec did not cover dns_domain field for a port. "dns_domain for ports" extension was implemented later. | 14:15 |
| amotoki | is my understanding correct? | 14:15 |
| mlavalle | yes, but what is restricting this behavior is dns_domain in neutron.conf | 14:15 |
| mlavalle | the dns_assignment field is built form what is configured in neutron.conf | 14:16 |
| njohnston_ | I just have to say that I have always found the whole DNS situation between nova, neutron, and designate very confusing so I would welcome anything that makes it simpler. | 14:17 |
| mlavalle | and then, yes, dns_domain was added as an attribute to networks and ports later for the purpose of integrating with DEsignate or another external DNSaaS | 14:17 |
| slaweq | I remember we had such discussion in the past - we even merged some patches to change that behaviour and later we reverted them | 14:19 |
| slaweq | and I agree that it is a mess now | 14:19 |
| mlavalle | yes, because at that point we didn't have strong use cases to expand the behavior. But now we have two of them, indicated in the RFE | 14:19 |
| mlavalle | so my thinking is that we should open up the behavior to encompass new use cases while maintaining backwards compatibility, which is what triggred the revert | 14:21 |
| mlavalle | we could go through a detailed spec to normalize the behavior to everybody's liking while maintaining backwards compatibility | 14:22 |
| njohnston_ | I agree with mlavalle. Does this require any changes that would need to be coordinated with designate or can we do all the work internal to neutron? | 14:22 |
| mlavalle | it's internal | 14:22 |
| njohnston_ | very good | 14:22 |
| mlavalle | the integration with external DNSaaS won't be touched | 14:23 |
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| amotoki | I think the main point of this RFE is that dns_assignments field in a port can be different from corresponding DNS records in designate. | 14:23 |
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| mlavalle | yes | 14:24 |
| amotoki | I don't fully understand what happens when we sync dns_assignments field in this case. | 14:24 |
| mlavalle | that's part of the issue | 14:24 |
| amotoki | anyway I agree we need to clarify our behavior and how we can improve it. | 14:24 |
| slaweq | so in fact we have: | 14:25 |
| mlavalle | with the experience that we have now, we can write a good spec and move forward with this | 14:25 |
| slaweq | 1. domain_name in the config file - this one is used to build dns_assignment | 14:25 |
| slaweq | 2. domain_name in the network object - this one is used designate | 14:25 |
| slaweq | is that correct? | 14:25 |
| mlavalle | and | 14:25 |
| mlavalle | 3. dns_domain in port | 14:26 |
| mlavalle | the last 2 won't be affected by this proposal | 14:26 |
| mlavalle | because those are for external DNSaaS integration | 14:26 |
| slaweq | sorry s/domain_name/dns_domain in my points :) | 14:26 |
| mlavalle | only point 1 will be worked on | 14:27 |
| mlavalle | with a spec in the middle | 14:27 |
| slaweq | mlavalle: dns_domain in port can override dns_domain set for network, right? | 14:27 |
| mlavalle | yes | 14:27 |
| slaweq | ok, so at least those 2 aren't unrelated to each other :) | 14:28 |
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| mlavalle | yeah, I never said those two were unrelated... only that they are targeted at external dns integration | 14:29 |
| ralonsoh | (It would be great to see a good document as an output of this RFE, just to have a good reference for developers and users) | 14:29 |
| slaweq | mlavalle: I know, I was just summarizing it for myself :) | 14:29 |
| mlavalle | ;-) | 14:29 |
| slaweq | I agree that we will need spec to move forward with this | 14:30 |
| slaweq | but my feeling is that we will then get back to what was the issue in https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1826419 ;) | 14:30 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1826419 in Ubuntu Cloud Archive queens "dhcp agent configured with mismatching domain and host entries" [Undecided,Fix committed] | 14:30 |
| mlavalle | hjensas is also intereted on this | 14:30 |
| slaweq | so "revert of revert" :) | 14:30 |
| mlavalle | well, that is why I emphasized that for the purposes of the upcoming spec, we need to be careful in preserving the current behavior for those users who want it | 14:31 |
| njohnston_ | I'm all in favor of this, I think this is an area that needs reform and it is most welcome. A spec is definitely necessary and should also help demystify and disseminate understanding of how the dns integration works. | 14:32 |
| slaweq | mlavalle: are You going to propose such spec? | 14:32 |
| mlavalle | yes | 14:32 |
| slaweq | thx mlavalle | 14:32 |
| mlavalle | toegther with one of my co-workers, hamza | 14:32 |
| slaweq | so I think we can approve this RFE with a note that we first need detailed spec to demystify current situation and good plan of how to proceed with this | 14:34 |
| slaweq | what do You think? | 14:34 |
| amotoki | +1 | 14:34 |
| njohnston_ | +1 | 14:34 |
| ralonsoh | +1 | 14:34 |
| haleyb | +1 | 14:34 |
| yamamoto | +1 | 14:35 |
| slaweq | thx | 14:36 |
| slaweq | I will summarize this discussion in comment to the LP | 14:36 |
| slaweq | that's all what I had for today | 14:36 |
| slaweq | topic #On Demand Agenda | 14:36 |
| slaweq | I have one short reminder | 14:36 |
| slaweq | PTG (virtual) will be in less than month | 14:37 |
| slaweq | please add Your ideas of the topics for Neutron in https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/neutron-victoria-ptg | 14:37 |
| slaweq | :) | 14:37 |
| slaweq | and that's all from my side for today | 14:37 |
| slaweq | anything else You want to discuss today? | 14:37 |
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| ralonsoh | no thanks | 14:38 |
| amotoki | nothing from me | 14:38 |
| njohnston_ | nothing here. thanks all! | 14:38 |
| yamamoto | nothing from me | 14:38 |
| haleyb | nothing here | 14:38 |
| amotoki | slaweq: it was really nice to have an agenda in the list | 14:38 |
| njohnston_ | +1 thanks for doing that | 14:39 |
| slaweq | amotoki: thx, I will try to do my best to send it every week | 14:39 |
| slaweq | just to let everyone to be better prepared to this meeting :) | 14:39 |
| slaweq | ok, thx for attending | 14:39 |
| slaweq | and have a great weekend :) | 14:39 |
| ralonsoh | bye | 14:40 |
| slaweq | bye | 14:40 |
| slaweq | #endmeeting | 14:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 14:40 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Fri May 8 14:40:06 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2020/neutron_drivers.2020-05-08-14.00.html | 14:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2020/neutron_drivers.2020-05-08-14.00.txt | 14:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2020/neutron_drivers.2020-05-08-14.00.log.html | 14:40 |
| amotoki | o/ | 14:40 |
| yamamoto | good night | 14:40 |
| njohnston_ | o/ | 14:40 |
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| mlavalle | o/ | 14:40 |
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