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| ZhuXiaoYu | Is here gonna be a neutron meeting? | 13:52 |
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| slaweq | ZhuXiaoYu: neutron drivers meeting will be here in about 8 minutes | 13:52 |
| ZhuXiaoYu | thx | 13:52 |
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| slaweq | #startmeeting neutron_drivers | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Fri May 29 14:00:11 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is slaweq. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| yamamoto | hi | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_drivers)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers' | 14:00 |
| slaweq | hi | 14:00 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 14:00 |
| ralonsoh | hi | 14:00 |
| amotoki | hi | 14:00 |
| njohnston | o/ | 14:01 |
| slaweq | I just pinged haleyb to join us | 14:01 |
| slaweq | and I think we can start as we have quorum definitely | 14:01 |
| slaweq | #topic RFEs | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "RFEs (Meeting topic: neutron_drivers)" | 14:02 | |
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| slaweq | We have 2 RFEs (old ones) which I would like to discuss today | 14:02 |
| slaweq | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1817881 | 14:02 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1817881 in neutron " [RFE] L3 IPs monitor/metering via current QoS functionality (tc filters)" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to LIU Yulong (dragon889) | 14:02 |
| haleyb | hi | 14:03 |
| slaweq | spec for that is proposed here: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/658511/ | 14:03 |
| patchbot | patch 658511 - neutron-specs - L3 agent self-service metering - 10 patch sets | 14:03 |
| slaweq | basically, it's about adding new l3 agent extension which will do metering for all ports which has got QoS bandwidth limit enabled | 14:04 |
| njohnston | mlavalle: c=x/op | 14:04 |
| njohnston | hmm, that was weird, keyboard malfunction | 14:04 |
| mlavalle | LOL, I thought you were saying something bad about me or my ancestry | 14:04 |
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| slaweq | :D | 14:05 |
| ralonsoh | basically it's reading the QoS TC info every 30 secs (configurable) and sending it via RPC | 14:06 |
| slaweq | njohnston: so x=c*op then :P | 14:06 |
| ralonsoh | on those interfaces with QoS TC classes or filters | 14:06 |
| mlavalle | that summarizes it | 14:06 |
| ralonsoh | looks "easy" (that's never true in Neutron) | 14:06 |
| ralonsoh | and harmless | 14:07 |
| haleyb | ralonsoh: if i had $1 for everyone that said that :) | 14:07 |
| slaweq | :) | 14:07 |
| slaweq | haleyb: "and it shouldn't break anything" ;) | 14:07 |
| njohnston | Does it need to bind to a Neutron QoS policy in order to use those TC classes and filters? That seems to still be implied in the spec lines 48-50, despite the conversation on PS4 | 14:08 |
| ralonsoh | I think so | 14:08 |
| ralonsoh | FIP and router QoS implementation is similar, using TC filters | 14:08 |
| slaweq | yes, it's required otherwise there is no TC stats to get for the interface | 14:09 |
| ralonsoh | kernel will store this info per TC | 14:09 |
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| ralonsoh | exactly | 14:09 |
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| njohnston | ok | 14:10 |
| slaweq | but this kinds of duplicates what metering agent should do and my question is: what we should do with metering agent? Deprecate it? Keep 2 solutions in-tree? | 14:10 |
| slaweq | is metering agent really used in real world? | 14:11 |
| amotoki | I have similar questions on the metering agent. | 14:11 |
| slaweq | I don't think we are testing it a lot | 14:11 |
| ralonsoh | I forgot about this metering agent... | 14:11 |
| amotoki | the proposal is compatible with the metering agent or we need to use one of them | 14:11 |
| amotoki | ? | 14:11 |
| njohnston | Has anyone looked to see if the metering agent works with OVN? | 14:11 |
| haleyb | i think the metering agent has some unaddressed bugs, but i had the same question - we have it for this purpose | 14:12 |
| amotoki | the current metering agent has only iptalbes driver, so I don't think it works with OVN | 14:12 |
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| njohnston | the spec also calls out https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1807157 as a reason not to use the metering agent, in addition to it's inconvenience and extra AMQP load on large deployments | 14:13 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1807157 in neutron "Metering doesn't work for DVR routers on compute nodes" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Alexandru Sorodoc (bno1) | 14:13 |
| njohnston | I would be fine deprecating the current metering agent and moving to a better solution, as I don't think it is widely used for some of these reasons | 14:14 |
| njohnston | We'd just have to come up with what we think a better OVS/OVN-based solution would be. | 14:14 |
| amotoki | another question is the spec says the new l3 extension send stats via RPC to the metering service. | 14:15 |
| amotoki | I wonder whether we need some change in the metering side, or it will use the same metrics as what the metering agent uses. | 14:15 |
| slaweq | amotoki: that's good question but I think it can be explored in the spec review | 14:16 |
| amotoki | slaweq: yeah, agree | 14:17 |
| mlavalle | I think we should approve this RFE and explore all the nuances in the spec | 14:17 |
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| slaweq | and I agree with njohnston - we can probably deprecate metering agent and go with new, hopefuly better solution | 14:17 |
| njohnston | slaweq: PTG topic? Metering next generation? | 14:17 |
| mlavalle | +1 | 14:18 |
| amotoki | the reason I raised is because I think keeping the notification API to the metering service will lead to a better way for OVN-based solution. in OVN world, we don't need an agent. | 14:18 |
| amotoki | +1 (for PTG topic) | 14:18 |
| slaweq | so I'm also for approving this spec but it should be written in the spec explicity that this will deprecate old solution, and mayeb send email to ML that we are going to deprecate this old agent | 14:18 |
| slaweq | ok, I will add it to the PTG agenda | 14:20 |
| njohnston | I would say that this is the start of deprecating the old solution, I don't want to put the whole onus of replacing the old metering solution on this spec | 14:20 |
| haleyb | njohnston: you got me thinking of Star Trek now, but yes, could be the next generation is to retire and replace | 14:20 |
| slaweq | ok, so my proposal is to approve the rfe as the idea to move forward and I will also ask liuyulong when he will be available at PTG so we can discuss details about this spec and future of metering then | 14:22 |
| slaweq | what do You think about that? | 14:22 |
| njohnston | +1 | 14:22 |
| haleyb | +1 | 14:23 |
| amotoki | +1 | 14:23 |
| yamamoto | +1 | 14:23 |
| mlavalle | +1 | 14:23 |
| slaweq | thx | 14:23 |
| slaweq | so we're done with this one | 14:23 |
| slaweq | next one is also from liuyulong | 14:23 |
| slaweq | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1828494 | 14:23 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1828494 in neutron "[RFE][L3] l3-agent should have its capacity" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to LIU Yulong (dragon889) | 14:23 |
| slaweq | spec is here https://review.opendev.org/#/c/658451/ | 14:24 |
| patchbot | patch 658451 - neutron-specs - L3 agent capacity and scheduling - 8 patch sets | 14:24 |
| slaweq | we discussed about it few times in the past, but personally I still don't feel this "bandwidth" of the router just to limit number of routers hosted by one L3 agent | 14:26 |
| njohnston | I think your comment #6 on the LP is an easier way to go: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1828494/comments/6 | 14:27 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1828494 in neutron "[RFE][L3] l3-agent should have its capacity" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to LIU Yulong (dragon889) | 14:27 |
| mlavalle | have we heard any feedback from Yulong about comment 6? | 14:28 |
| slaweq | mlavalle: nope | 14:29 |
| slaweq | at least I didn't saw anything | 14:29 |
| mlavalle | so why don't we ping him, ask for his feedback and based on that we re-evaluate this RFE? | 14:30 |
| njohnston | the part of the spec where bandwidth is defined separately per external network (L96-103) to me makes this a more complicated proposal | 14:30 |
| haleyb | i would agree, "max routers" is easier to understand, bandwidth seems more of a qos thing | 14:30 |
| slaweq | but I wanted to raise it here again because maybe it's only me who don't really feel this proposal | 14:30 |
| njohnston | not just you, more info is needed | 14:31 |
| mlavalle | I think we should have a little more discussion with Yulong in the RFE to fully understand the proposal | 14:31 |
| slaweq | ok, I will ask those questions in the RFE again and will ping him about that | 14:31 |
| slaweq | and we will back to this rfe when we will have more info about it from him | 14:32 |
| slaweq | is that good plan? | 14:32 |
| mlavalle | what do tohers think? | 14:32 |
| njohnston | +1 | 14:32 |
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| yamamoto | +1 | 14:33 |
| slaweq | mlavalle: I hope that "tohers" is just a typo :P | 14:33 |
| mlavalle | it is | 14:33 |
| haleyb | +1 | 14:33 |
| amotoki | sounds good | 14:33 |
| slaweq | mlavalle: I had to check in the dict what it means :) | 14:33 |
| mlavalle | lol | 14:33 |
| slaweq | ok, so I think we are good with this one too | 14:34 |
| slaweq | and that's all RFEs for today | 14:34 |
| slaweq | #topic On Demand agenda | 14:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "On Demand agenda (Meeting topic: neutron_drivers)" | 14:34 | |
| slaweq | I have one more question to You | 14:34 |
| slaweq | related to the PTG | 14:34 |
| slaweq | in each PTG room there will be zoom meeting available to use | 14:34 |
| slaweq | but there will be also possibility to use https://meetpad.opendev.org/ | 14:35 |
| slaweq | which is based on opensource jitsi tool | 14:35 |
| slaweq | and is somehow integrated with etherpad (I don't know how yet) | 14:35 |
| slaweq | and my question to the team is - which tool do You prefer to use next week? | 14:35 |
| mlavalle | let's try the opens osurce one | 14:37 |
| njohnston | We could try Jitsi now: https://meetpad.opendev.org/NeutronTest | 14:37 |
| mlavalle | we can always fallback to zoom if it doesn't work well, can't we? | 14:37 |
| haleyb | just don't know if zoom works in China? | 14:38 |
| slaweq | ok, quick test done | 14:40 |
| slaweq | thx njohnston for opening the meeting :) | 14:40 |
| ralonsoh | good tool | 14:40 |
| njohnston | nice | 14:40 |
| amotoki | it worked well so far, nice :) | 14:40 |
| slaweq | mlavalle: I agree that we can start with this meetpad and fallback to zoom if needed | 14:40 |
| njohnston | +1 | 14:40 |
| slaweq | thx for Your help with that :) | 14:40 |
| njohnston | :) | 14:41 |
| slaweq | anything else You want to discuss today maybe? | 14:41 |
| slaweq | if not, I will give You some time back today | 14:41 |
| ZhuXiaoYu | sorry, could we talk about my ref bug on launchpad: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1880532 ? | 14:41 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1880532 in neutron "[RFE]L3 Router should support ECMP" [Wishlist,New] - Assigned to XiaoYu Zhu (honglan0914) | 14:41 |
| ZhuXiaoYu | And spec file is at https://review.opendev.org/#/c/729532/ | 14:42 |
| patchbot | patch 729532 - neutron-specs - l3 router support ecmp - 22 patch sets | 14:42 |
| ZhuXiaoYu | any advise could be helpful | 14:44 |
| slaweq | personally I would like first haleyb and liuyulong to triage this in the RFE before we will discuss it here | 14:46 |
| slaweq | but if there are any questions about this rfe, I think now it's also good time to ask them as we have owner of the rfe here | 14:47 |
| mlavalle | at first glance, seems to be an interesting idea that we should explore | 14:47 |
| haleyb | i just haven't had the time to look at this yet, but do know ECMP support is in latest OVN | 14:48 |
| mlavalle | making Neutron more capable to serve more use cases is always a good thing | 14:48 |
| haleyb | that's all i know | 14:48 |
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| slaweq | ZhuXiaoYu: is that only for Octavia? Or are there other, more generic use cases for that? | 14:50 |
| yamamoto | midonet virtual routers support ecmp. i vaguely remember it can be programmed with neutron extra routes api. | 14:50 |
| ZhuXiaoYu | Currently it's really done for Octivia. | 14:51 |
| ralonsoh | if kernel supports that | 14:51 |
| ralonsoh | yamamoto, right? | 14:52 |
| yamamoto | ralonsoh: "vaguely remember" | 14:52 |
| yamamoto | ralonsoh: i'm sure "midonet virtual routers support ecmp" part | 14:52 |
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| ralonsoh | always a pleasure to talk to you | 14:53 |
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| mlavalle | to me Octavia is enough of a use case | 14:54 |
| njohnston | I agree | 14:54 |
| slaweq | sure, but I just wanted to know if there are any others | 14:55 |
| yamamoto | i mentioned midonet because i'm wondering why the extension is necessary | 14:55 |
| yamamoto | maybe i should read the spec :-) | 14:55 |
| slaweq | yamamoto: in the spec there is also comment about that this should be doable with our current API | 14:56 |
| yamamoto | slaweq: ok it makes sense | 14:56 |
| slaweq | so lets all read the RFE and spec and we will get back to this one on next meeting | 14:57 |
| slaweq | are You ok with that? | 14:57 |
| yamamoto | +1 | 14:58 |
| mlavalle | yes | 14:58 |
| njohnston | +1 | 14:58 |
| amotoki | +1 | 14:58 |
| slaweq | btw. I'm going to cancel next week's meeting as we have ptg | 14:58 |
| slaweq | so next drivers meeting will be in 2 weeks | 14:58 |
| mlavalle | let's make sure is the first topic next week, so ZhuXiaoYu gets enough time | 14:58 |
| ZhuXiaoYu | ok | 14:58 |
| slaweq | thx for attending the meeting | 14:58 |
| ZhuXiaoYu | thx | 14:58 |
| slaweq | mlavalle: yes, it will be | 14:58 |
| mlavalle | +1 | 14:59 |
| slaweq | see You all on the PTG next week | 14:59 |
| mlavalle | ZhuXiaoYu: that will be in two weeks from now | 14:59 |
| slaweq | and have a great weekend | 14:59 |
| slaweq | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Fri May 29 14:59:28 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2020/neutron_drivers.2020-05-29-14.00.html | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2020/neutron_drivers.2020-05-29-14.00.txt | 14:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2020/neutron_drivers.2020-05-29-14.00.log.html | 14:59 |
| amotoki | see you all | 14:59 |
| njohnston | o/ | 14:59 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 14:59 |
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