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| gmann | slaweq: njohnston devstack bits are pending which is in work. I will send the plan soon on ML. this one and base patches- https://review.opendev.org/#/c/731207/ | 00:32 |
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| patchbot | patch 731207 - devstack - WIP: Switch devstack base job to Ubuntu Focal - 2 patch sets | 00:32 |
| gmann | slaweq: njohnston most of the jobs will automatically switch to focal once devstack base job switch but we will do that after testing project side jobs to avoid gate break, same way we did in xenial->bionic | 00:33 |
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| yasufum | hi, tacker team | 08:01 |
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| yasufum | hi | 08:02 |
| Liang | hi | 08:02 |
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| ueha | hi | 08:02 |
| takahashi-tsc | Hi | 08:02 |
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| yasufum | It seems we have few people today because we had much discussion and not so much today… | 08:06 |
| yasufum | I would like to skip meeting today if no one has topics. | 08:07 |
| takahashi-tsc | I have 1 topics and 1 thing to confirm | 08:08 |
| yasufum | OK. | 08:08 |
| yasufum | #startmeeting tacker | 08:08 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 9 08:08:42 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is yasufum. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:08 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:08 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tacker' | 08:08 |
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| yasufum | takahashi-tsc: could you share your topic? | 08:09 |
| takahashi-tsc | Thanks, First, just conformation. We decide we help networking-sfc, and I heard that yasufum and amotoki share the conclusion of PTG discussion, right? | 08:09 |
| yasufum | I wrote our conclusion on etherpad, and share it with amotoki and had a short discussion on IRC | 08:11 |
| yasufum | l.305- on https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/Tacker-PTG-Victoria | 08:11 |
| takahashi-tsc | Thanks. I will check the discussion. | 08:12 |
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| amotoki | hi, thanks for summarizing it. I checked it but it was a bit late and you were already offline. | 08:13 |
| amotoki | one confirmation: I have a question on L.296 I added. how do you start involvements in networking-sfc? | 08:14 |
| amotoki | I think that is the only piece I am not sure about. | 08:15 |
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| amotoki | there is no need to rush the conclusion. I think either way is okay. | 08:16 |
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| yasufum | I personally will start to understanding implementation to be able to maintain | 08:17 |
| yasufum | I hope there are no urgent issue on networking-sfc | 08:18 |
| amotoki | yeah, agree. | 08:19 |
| takahashi-tsc | Yes, understanding implementation is required. And I'd like to start review. | 08:20 |
| yasufum | thanks | 08:21 |
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| amotoki | in addition, networking-odl uses networking-sfc and the current main maintainer of networking-odl is relatively active recently in -sfc, so we can start the involvement gradually | 08:21 |
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| yasufum | understand | 08:23 |
| yasufum | I will take a look | 08:24 |
| amotoki | I hope you can share the discussion in the tacker team with neutron team soon. | 08:25 |
| amotoki | if you would like me to write a mail, I can do it though. | 08:25 |
| yasufum | OK. I will have a discussion with hyunsikyang next week or so for, and share | 08:28 |
| amotoki | yasufum: thanks | 08:28 |
| yasufum | thanks. Is there any other things for the topic, or move to the next one? | 08:31 |
| takahashi-tsc | OK, I have 1 topic. | 08:32 |
| yasufum | sure, go a head please | 08:32 |
| takahashi-tsc | I start to write the discussion point with ETSI-TST members. | 08:33 |
| takahashi-tsc | https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/tacker-meeting | 08:33 |
| takahashi-tsc | L70- | 08:33 |
| takahashi-tsc | I want Tacker members' comment, especially about L89- | 08:33 |
| takahashi-tsc | not so rush, but if someone have the comment, please write comment in etherpad. | 08:35 |
| yasufum | Noted. I would like to update, and also share my team not joining today to do so. | 08:36 |
| takahashi-tsc | Thanks. | 08:37 |
| takahashi-tsc | That's all for me. | 08:39 |
| yasufum | thanks | 08:40 |
| yasufum | btw, do we need to update this etherpad because it includes such a old things | 08:40 |
| yasufum | if we will continue to use this etherpad for discussion memo :) | 08:41 |
| yasufum | I think 1 and 2 are no longer needed on this memo because there are already updated on vPTG’s etherpad. | 08:42 |
| takahashi-tsc | Ah, I agree. my idea is move old topics to down below and separate current topics and old topics with some description. | 08:43 |
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| yasufum | sure, I agree | 08:43 |
| takahashi-tsc | e.g. move 1 and 2 to below L120 "Old topics" (I write now) | 08:44 |
| yasufum | OK, I would like to follow your change. | 08:44 |
| takahashi-tsc | Thanks | 08:45 |
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| yasufum | I will add things about networking-odl from amotoki after your update | 08:48 |
| yasufum | It seems at the end of this meeting. I would like to close if no one has other topic. | 08:49 |
| yasufum | OK. Thanks for joining, bye | 08:50 |
| takahashi-tsc | Thanks, bye | 08:50 |
| masazumi-ota | bye | 08:50 |
| yasufum | #endmeeting tacker | 08:50 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 9 08:50:44 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2020/tacker.2020-06-09-08.08.html | 08:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2020/tacker.2020-06-09-08.08.txt | 08:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2020/tacker.2020-06-09-08.08.log.html | 08:50 |
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| ricolin | Since Automation SIG just have PTG session last week, I don't think we need to have meeting this time. but feel free to raise anything you like:) | 14:00 |
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| witek | hi ricolin, nothing from my side | 14:19 |
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| oneswig | #startmeeting scientific-sig | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 9 21:00:19 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oneswig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scientific_sig' | 21:00 |
| oneswig | Hello! | 21:00 |
| oneswig | #link Today's agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_SIG#IRC_Meeting_June_9th_2020 | 21:00 |
| oneswig | I have a challenging bit of AOB, wrt Ceph Octopus | 21:02 |
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| b1airo | hi! | 21:03 |
| oneswig | Hi b1airo, how's things? | 21:03 |
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| martial | on irc, yes :) | 21:04 |
| oneswig | #chair b1airo martial | 21:04 |
| openstack | Current chairs: b1airo martial oneswig | 21:04 |
| janders | g'day guys! | 21:04 |
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| oneswig | Hi janders | 21:04 |
| b1airo | good thanks oneswig - i come to you live from an actual room based office... as opposed to the loosely converted garage i've been using for the previous 18 months | 21:05 |
| martial | imagine all the toys he must have had in that garage :) | 21:05 |
| oneswig | Still in the Christchurch area? | 21:05 |
| b1airo | toys ~= cr@p ? | 21:05 |
| trandles | LOL I've been at our dining room table since mid-March. Not like we need it for a party or anything. | 21:06 |
| b1airo | yep, just down the hill a bit from where we were - another house built by my old man | 21:06 |
| b1airo | trandles: :-( | 21:06 |
| janders | nice! | 21:07 |
| trandles | Hi b1airo | 21:07 |
| b1airo | heaps of parties in NZ now :-P | 21:07 |
| trandles | Like you in NZ need an excuse | 21:07 |
| oneswig | Must be a hard life b1airo | 21:07 |
| oneswig | What precautions remain in place? I'm assuming it's not completely back to normal | 21:08 |
| b1airo | hobbits are shocking after a couple of meads | 21:08 |
| b1airo | just border restrictions | 21:09 |
| janders | I suppose us Aussies can drop in for a visit soon, just gotta get our state governments get their border story straight first :) | 21:09 |
| oneswig | What's NZ like without all the teenagers on gap year? Pretty quiet I imagine. | 21:10 |
| janders | ...and no noisy Aussie tourists... | 21:10 |
| b1airo | haha | 21:10 |
| b1airo | i'm looking forward to a queue free ski season | 21:10 |
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| b1airo | but yes, will be good to catch up with the aussies once the whole travel bubble thing gets sorted | 21:11 |
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| b1airo | anyway, what did i miss at the PTG? sorry about being awol for that :-/ ! i only realised the timing on the weekend prior and then got totally distracted with settlement, moving, cleaning etc | 21:13 |
| oneswig | Guess we should talk over the PTG. Thanks to everyone who came along. | 21:13 |
| martial | Kendall sent me a link to the recordings | 21:13 |
| oneswig | The first session went well but we didn't have much more to cover in the second. | 21:13 |
| oneswig | #link PTG session Etherpad https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/victoria-ptg-scientific-sig | 21:14 |
| martial | well we got an interesting demo in the second one | 21:15 |
| oneswig | I think the "bring a problem, share a solution" format seemed to go well | 21:16 |
| diurnalist | I think that was one action item for me (jason btw, I have a bit of a split personality w/ aliases)-- to open-source some of our Jupyter-specific things, like the Keystone authenticator | 21:16 |
| diurnalist | and share them w/ y'all | 21:16 |
| oneswig | Hi Jason, welcome back :-) | 21:16 |
| oneswig | Would be good to see that, for sure. | 21:17 |
| diurnalist | yes, apologies for being late | 21:17 |
| oneswig | no worries, what time is it anyway :-) | 21:17 |
| b1airo | that's the Keystone authenticator for JupyterHub ? | 21:17 |
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| diurnalist | b1airo: yes - it allows logging in via Keystone and storing a Keystone access token on the auth info, so you can e.g. drop it in a environment for the user | 21:18 |
| b1airo | ahh nice. i was going to ask what it does other than logging in :-) | 21:19 |
| diurnalist | oneswig: a much more reasonable time for me over here | 21:19 |
| b1airo | is it used to provision the single user server infrastructure too? | 21:19 |
| oneswig | BTW I heard recently that Grafana 7 has (finally) added a pluggable authentication framework, improving the prospects for Keystone authentication to Grafana. | 21:20 |
| diurnalist | b1airo: yes, we use it so users get their own environment (a Docker container in our case), which has all the OpenStack clients built in. our users often use openstack clients in notebooks | 21:20 |
| diurnalist | oneswig: that is interesting and overdue :) | 21:20 |
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| oneswig | Absolutely. Monasca has been using a fork of a 4.x Grafana and I'm hopeful that a better system will come of this. | 21:21 |
| diurnalist | don't mean to hijack the discussion, but oneswig: you might have insights onto the monasca/grafana integration. i'd be curious if it's going to be mainlined together | 21:21 |
| diurnalist | aha | 21:21 |
| diurnalist | i will follow that development :) | 21:21 |
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| oneswig | diurnalist: I'm hoping that someone will create a plugin for Grafana 7 and that will resolve it. | 21:23 |
| b1airo | so the new thing is that there's a way to build your own open plugins? | 21:24 |
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| oneswig | yes, from what I've heard. | 21:24 |
| oneswig | hardly revolutionary, but good all the same. | 21:25 |
| oneswig | Let's look through the etherpad and note all the actions | 21:26 |
| oneswig | #action SIG meeting on contact tracing applications | 21:26 |
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| oneswig | #action Organise session with Manila team | 21:26 |
| martial | " invite Manila / Ganesha people to one of our IRC meeting" | 21:27 |
| martial | (doh too late) | 21:27 |
| * gouthamr hi! | 21:27 | |
| * gouthamr is a manila/ganesha person, reading scrollback | 21:27 | |
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| oneswig | Hi gouthamr, ears burning :-) | 21:28 |
| martial | hello gouthamr :) | 21:28 |
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| oneswig | We've got on our list a follow-up discussion on the state of play with Manila and Ganesha | 21:28 |
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| martial | #action follow-up session on CentOS 8 experiences | 21:29 |
| diurnalist | there is also a TODO in the etherpad to schedule a SIG to discuss IoT research enablement. it was not bolded as with the others | 21:30 |
| gouthamr | hey oneswig martial! glad you're considering using manila with cephfs-nfs, i see tbarron was on your etherpad - we can def connect you to cephfs folks; do let us know :) | 21:30 |
| martial | #action schedule a SIG discussion on IoT research enablement | 21:30 |
| martial | thanks Jason | 21:30 |
| oneswig | Thanks gouthamr, got you in my sights! | 21:30 |
| oneswig | What timezone are you in? | 21:31 |
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| * vkmc is manila/ganesha too | 21:34 | |
| vkmc | nice! | 21:34 |
| oneswig | It's probably worth an updated session on billing and CloudKitty as well, there were a few folks interested in that. | 21:34 |
| gouthamr | oneswig: UTC-8 | 21:34 |
| oneswig | Thanks gouthamr, that makes you a better fit for our 2100UTC slot than 1100UTC, right? | 21:35 |
| oneswig | #action update on billing and CloudKitty | 21:37 |
| oneswig | Were there any other actions we should follow up on? | 21:37 |
| oneswig | Ok, lets move on | 21:38 |
| gouthamr | oneswig: yep :) | 21:38 |
| oneswig | #topic AOB | 21:39 |
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| oneswig | I've been using Ceph Octopus this week. | 21:39 |
| oneswig | Quite an adjustment - almost deliberately it's hard to use previous tools for managing Ceph. | 21:40 |
| oneswig | Anyone else been there yet? | 21:40 |
| janders | not yet | 21:41 |
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| janders | what would be the top 3 differences? | 21:42 |
| b1airo | can't turn off cephadm? | 21:42 |
| martial | same would like to understand the pros and cons | 21:42 |
| oneswig | I'm not sure if you can turn it off. I'd probably choose to based on the pain of adjustment. | 21:42 |
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| oneswig | So everything's containerised, even the ceph commands - you run a container for the command. So all the commands start out with a 'cephadm shell -- ...' prefix. | 21:43 |
| b1airo | i haven't been paying close attention, but a brief read of the release notes suggests they're attempting to hide complexity and make things simpler to manage, but with that comes less choice | 21:44 |
| oneswig | The ceph.conf is minimal and all config is slurped into Ceph's internal state | 21:44 |
| oneswig | There's no Ansible to manage Octopus yet (and I'm not sure it'll ever be the standard), so everything had to be done by hand. | 21:45 |
| b1airo | sounds like it would be a nicer greenfields experience at least, the though of upgrading makes me pucker though | 21:45 |
| oneswig | I inadvertently restarted dockerd and it got into a proper state. | 21:45 |
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| oneswig | There's some new cleverness though - the PG counts keep going up and down in a smooth ballet of technology | 21:46 |
| janders | it sounds a bit like switching from uncontainerised OSP10 to containerised OSP13 | 21:46 |
| janders | uh... where's *everything* ? :) | 21:46 |
| oneswig | janders: I'm feeling that, to a degree. | 21:47 |
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| oneswig | There was a maddening issue that containers are running with --rm flag, so they disappear on exit. I couldn't find where my monitors had gone for a couple of fun hours. | 21:48 |
| oneswig | my, how I laughed. | 21:48 |
| b1airo | ah the lols | 21:48 |
| martial | lol indeed | 21:49 |
| b1airo | i see a couple of nice base improvements: | 21:49 |
| oneswig | The PG thing I am sure is a genuine improvement. | 21:49 |
| b1airo | "Objects can now be brought in sync during recovery by copying only the modified portion of the object, reducing tail latencies during recovery." | 21:49 |
| b1airo | "Ceph will allow recovery below min_size for Erasure coded pools, wherever possible." | 21:50 |
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| oneswig | b1airo: is Monash still one of the biggest in the southern hemisphere? | 21:50 |
| oneswig | I think octopus can be managed in standard configuration frameworks again, it'll be a significant improvement. | 21:52 |
| b1airo | so far as i know yes. though if they've added any more capacity since my departure then I think it would have just been another rack of the last order (Dell R740XDs) | 21:52 |
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| b1airo | RBD: "Images can be online re-sparsified to reduce the usage of zeroed extents." | 21:52 |
| b1airo | some nice RGW additions too | 21:53 |
| oneswig | Interesting how M3 went from 3 vendors to one for GPU, NIC and switches. | 21:53 |
| b1airo | :-) | 21:55 |
| b1airo | there are DGX's in it too, so can count some of the boxen as NVIDIA as well | 21:56 |
| oneswig | They must have liked what they saw. | 21:56 |
| oneswig | Nearly out of time. Any further confessions to make this week? | 21:56 |
| martial | a quick not to mention that christian Kniep is holding HPCWW remotely this year | 21:57 |
| martial | and he still has a few slots to fill | 21:58 |
| oneswig | Ah - remote ISC. | 21:58 |
| martial | Details at http://qnib.org/isc/ for those interested | 21:58 |
| oneswig | Thanks martial | 21:58 |
| janders | remote conferencing is interesting challange | 21:58 |
| b1airo | nothing specific from me other than some curiousity to touch base on Jetstream2 and where janders is at with his SuperCloud concept. we're looking at refresh of our "capacity" infrastructure next year, so planning for what it looks like is underway now | 21:58 |
| janders | I'd call it "distributed jet lag" | 21:59 |
| oneswig | b1airo: on that tasty snippet, 1 minute to go... | 21:59 |
| janders | thanks all! | 22:00 |
| oneswig | Thanks everyone | 22:00 |
| b1airo | yeah - TBC | 22:00 |
| b1airo | o/ | 22:00 |
| oneswig | #endmeeting | 22:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 22:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 9 22:00:24 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2020/scientific_sig.2020-06-09-21.00.html | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2020/scientific_sig.2020-06-09-21.00.txt | 22:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2020/scientific_sig.2020-06-09-21.00.log.html | 22:00 |
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