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| timburke | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 14 21:00:24 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is timburke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
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| timburke | who's here for the swift meeting? | 21:00 |
| kota_ | hello | 21:00 |
| seongsoocho | o/ | 21:00 |
| rledisez | hi o/ | 21:01 |
| zaitcev | 07 | 21:01 |
| timburke | as usual, the agenda's at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:02 |
| timburke | first up, though, something i forgot to put on there ;-) | 21:02 |
| timburke | #topic releases | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "releases (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:02 | |
| timburke | victoria was released today! | 21:02 |
| timburke | thanks everyone for making this another great cycle | 21:03 |
| kota_ | congrats! | 21:03 |
| seongsoocho | yay ~~~ congrats!!! 🎉 | 21:03 |
| timburke | we also have new stable releases for ussuri (2.25.1) and train (2.23.2) | 21:03 |
| mattoliverau | o/ (sorry I'm late) | 21:05 |
| timburke | they include a lot of py3 bug fixes, including the recent crypto patch where you'll need to upgrade while still on py2 before transitioning to py3 | 21:05 |
| timburke | (as much as anything, just making sure people are aware of them) | 21:05 |
| timburke | and i'll probably try to get a swiftclient release out in the near future, as i think it's blocking my current attempt at getting py3 probe tests in the gate | 21:06 |
| timburke | #topic PTG | 21:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTG (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:07 | |
| timburke | just a week and a half away! | 21:07 |
| mattoliverau | \o/ | 21:08 |
| timburke | i added a rough design for ALOs to the etherpad | 21:08 |
| timburke | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/swift-ptg-wallaby | 21:08 |
| mattoliverau | Oh nice | 21:08 |
| kota_ | actually, Summit will start on the next Monday. | 21:08 |
| timburke | also true! | 21:08 |
| timburke | i should see what sessions look interesting... | 21:09 |
| timburke | if anyone has recommendations, i'd love to hear them (now or in -swift) | 21:09 |
| timburke | the ptg schedule is up at https://object-storage-ca-ymq-1.vexxhost.net/swift/v1/6e4619c416ff4bd19e1c087f27a43eea/www-assets-prod/Uploads/PTG2-Oct26-30-2020-Schedule-1.pdf and all the meeting times on the etherpad are accurate | 21:10 |
| * kota_ did NOT catch up the session schedule yet :P | 21:10 | |
| timburke | summit schedule's also available, at https://www.openstack.org/summit/2020/summit-schedule/ | 21:11 |
| timburke | i can't wait to see you all again and do some hacking! :-) | 21:13 |
| timburke | speaking of... let's talk patches! | 21:13 |
| timburke | #topic audit watchers | 21:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "audit watchers (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:13 | |
| timburke | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/706653/ | 21:13 |
| patchbot | patch 706653 - swift - Let developers/operators add watchers to object au... - 37 patch sets | 21:13 |
| timburke | zaitcev, i saw you added a +2 -- does that mean you and david are ready for the rest of us to do some reviews? | 21:14 |
| zaitcev | Yes | 21:14 |
| timburke | cool | 21:14 |
| timburke | ! | 21:15 |
| zaitcev | dsariel (not in the meeting) was already looking for another project, this may bet float up. | 21:15 |
| timburke | i'll be sure to make some time for a look, probably rebase https://review.opendev.org/#/c/744078/1 | 21:15 |
| patchbot | patch 744078 - swift - watchers: Add EC stat gatherer - 1 patch set | 21:15 |
| zaitcev | Oh, nice. I forgot you had that. | 21:16 |
| timburke | and see what other fun ideas for watchers i can come up with :-) | 21:16 |
| timburke | anything else you need there besides reviews? anything we should know digging into it? | 21:17 |
| zaitcev | But I just want a claim post in the ground -- even if the EC plugin ends requiring changes to the API. I resigned myself to APIs that need to be changed. I think this is what Sam meant when he wrote that all arguments are passed by name. Note that it requires implementations to always add **kwargs, but beyond that a flexibility is built in. | 21:17 |
| timburke | yeah, and we could surely have a few releases where we label the feature as being experimental and subject to change if we really need | 21:18 |
| zaitcev | I'm glad that I talked you all into the reduced isolation, because separate processes produced nasty problems with not keeping up and logging. | 21:18 |
| zaitcev | If you can accept in-process model, I'm okay with anything. Even "except Exception" which I always -1 elsewhere. | 21:19 |
| zaitcev | That is all. | 21:20 |
| timburke | #topic replication locking | 21:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "replication locking (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:20 | |
| zaitcev | If you look at it and like it, we don't really need to waste PTG time on it. Feel free to overstrike after you review. | 21:20 |
| timburke | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/754242/ | 21:20 |
| patchbot | patch 754242 - swift - Fix a race condition in case of cross-replication - 5 patch sets | 21:20 |
| zaitcev | Tsk | 21:21 |
| zaitcev | I promised to review it but didn't. | 21:21 |
| timburke | rledisez, sorry, i still haven't gotten to rebuilding an env that would be amenable to trying to repro :-( | 21:21 |
| timburke | i don't want to drop it from the agenda, though, because i hope to shame myself into actually doing what i said i'd do ;-) | 21:22 |
| rledisez | So patchset 5 passed the production test, I was unable to lose datafiles using this patch. I added a comment on timeout at the end. I'm in favor of hardcoding a small value, but you may have different opinions | 21:22 |
| timburke | that seems perfectly reasonable to me. if we can't get the lock quickly, skip it and try again later; makes sense | 21:22 |
| rledisez | ok. so I'll update the review with a hardcoded timeout of 0.2; It's working fine in our deployments | 21:23 |
| timburke | anything else you need there? would it be useful for us to think some more about how to handle locking for rsync? | 21:24 |
| rledisez | I still have to work on the rsync fix, I have to take some time to think about it. I'm affraid it would incur a major change in SSYNC (splitting "negociation" and "data transfert). But it may be for the best actually | 21:25 |
| rledisez | I still think the best option is to wrap rsync with a ssync call | 21:25 |
| rledisez | that's all for me on that topic | 21:27 |
| zaitcev | Interesting. | 21:27 |
| timburke | #topic async slo cleanup | 21:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "async slo cleanup (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:28 | |
| timburke | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/733026/ | 21:28 |
| patchbot | patch 733026 - swift - Add a new URL parameter to allow for async cleanup... - 12 patch sets | 21:28 |
| timburke | so i think clayg's getting skittish about turning this on by default | 21:29 |
| timburke | i might end up having it be opt-in, at least for an initial release. i know the main cluster i care about doesn't make heavy use of the expirer yet, and this would presumably change that | 21:30 |
| timburke | meanwhile, i don't have a great handle on how best to monitor my expirers -- i know clayg has a little script that can check how much is in the queue and how much of it is ready for reaping, though | 21:31 |
| mattoliverau | I guess opt in initially is probably a safe way to go forward. | 21:32 |
| timburke | i'd also had an idea a while back (based on rledisez's https://review.opendev.org/#/c/715580/) to add a "lag" metric for the expirer | 21:32 |
| patchbot | patch 715580 - swift - obj-updater: add metric on lag of containers listing - 1 patch set | 21:32 |
| clayg | yeah SRE just deployed the expirer monitor on like one random node - so we have stats now (as long as that node is up 🙄 ) | 21:32 |
| mattoliverau | Should we get expires to emit something, somehow? Have think about it. | 21:33 |
| timburke | we've got some stats already, at least; iirc, mostly just success/failure counts | 21:34 |
| zaitcev | I looked at that patch and it seemed okay, but then Clay came in and he had some fundamental comments | 21:34 |
| timburke | (fwiw, the expirer patch is https://review.opendev.org/#/c/735271/) | 21:35 |
| patchbot | patch 735271 - swift - metrics: Add lag metric to expirer - 1 patch set | 21:35 |
| mattoliverau | Can you pull general task queue account stats to get a rough idea on size? With and account head. I should play around with general task queue some more. | 21:35 |
| mattoliverau | Or did we shard the accounts too. | 21:36 |
| * mattoliverau is just thinking out loud, and isn't at his computer | 21:36 | |
| timburke | yeah, pretty sure that's the idea with https://gist.github.com/clayg/7f66eab2a61c77869e1e84ac4ed6f1df | 21:37 |
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| timburke | oh, but with https://review.opendev.org/#/c/517389/ that might get more complicated | 21:38 |
| patchbot | patch 517389 - swift - Add object-expirer new mode to execute tasks from ... - 46 patch sets | 21:38 |
| timburke | anyway, mainly just wanted to call attention to that default change -- i should have a fresh patchset up soon | 21:41 |
| timburke | #topic open discussion | 21:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:41 | |
| timburke | what else should we bring up today? | 21:41 |
| zaitcev | I recommended dsariel to look into sharding, help Matt along. | 21:42 |
| zaitcev | Not sure if it's going to work. | 21:42 |
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| mattoliverau | Thanks! | 21:43 |
| timburke | cool! speaking of, i should get my probe test at https://review.opendev.org/#/c/744256/ to a point that it passes consistently :-/ | 21:45 |
| patchbot | patch 744256 - swift - sharding: probe test to exercise manual shrinking - 3 patch sets | 21:45 |
| mattoliverau | I've been writing some tests for my poc rangescanner that will hopefully fsch root shard ranges | 21:46 |
| mattoliverau | *fsck/scan and attempt to fix | 21:47 |
| timburke | i'm really coming around on the idea that the way to "solve" autosharding is to get an automated recovery from overlapping shard ranges | 21:47 |
| mattoliverau | Yeah, I want to do leader election properly, but in any case being able to fix is more important initially | 21:49 |
| mattoliverau | The scanner currently deals with overlaps and can rebuild fragmented paths. | 21:49 |
| mattoliverau | It's still a WIP but feel free to have a look. I also have a new doc/braindump | 21:50 |
| mattoliverau | Which I hope to go over at the ptg. | 21:50 |
| timburke | oh! there's a patch i keep meaning to bring up during meetings but never quite get around to: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/751966/ | 21:51 |
| patchbot | patch 751966 - swift - replace md5 with swift utils version - 11 patch sets | 21:51 |
| zaitcev | wait, what | 21:52 |
| timburke | someone's interested in running swift with FIPS mode enabled, which means we'd need to annotate all uses of md5 | 21:52 |
| timburke | ...which understandably means that there'd be a decent number of conflicts if/when we merge it | 21:53 |
| zaitcev | Russian anecdote: One guys said "What do you know about security through obscurity? On my last job, I replaced MD5 with SHA256 only trimmed to fit." | 21:53 |
| timburke | heh | 21:54 |
| mattoliverau | Lol | 21:54 |
| timburke | (honestly, it makes me think a bit too much of https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3514, but w/e...) | 21:55 |
| zaitcev | 1 April 2003 - nice tray | 21:56 |
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| timburke | does anyone have an interest in trying to review this? i'll probably get to it eventually, but it's very much a "when i get around to it" sort of endeavor) | 21:57 |
| zaitcev | I could, I suppose. Just after Romain's race condition thing. | 21:58 |
| timburke | i like that prioritization :-) | 21:58 |
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| timburke | all right, we're about at time. thank you all for coming, and thank you for working on swift! | 22:00 |
| timburke | #endmeeting | 22:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 22:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 14 22:00:13 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2020/swift.2020-10-14-21.00.html | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2020/swift.2020-10-14-21.00.txt | 22:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2020/swift.2020-10-14-21.00.log.html | 22:00 |
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