Tuesday, 2020-12-08

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yasufumHi, tacker team08:00
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yasufum#startmeeting tacker08:04
openstackMeeting started Tue Dec  8 08:04:15 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is yasufum. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.08:04
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yasufumI think we have three topics today. Please suggest if you have other ones.08:06
yasufumspec review, recent failures on gerrit and “tosca-parser and heat-translator”08:06
takahashi-tscI have two topics, about heat-translator/tosca-parser(sorry for not sending email...) and report about discussion with TST.08:07
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yasufumI would like to start from first topic because it is short.08:10
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yasufumJust asking for reviewing.08:10
yasufumWe have several specs waiting to be merged. I have already +2 for specs looking OK.08:11
yasufumCould you also review the specs if there is no problem.08:11
yasufumIf no comments for the topic, I would like to go to the next one.08:12
yoshito-itoThanks yasufum, I have 6 specs remained. 5 of 6 got +2 from you, and I hope other members to check them, too.08:13
takahashi-tscI'll check them in this week, sorry for late.08:13
yoshito-itoGreat, thanks.08:13
yasufum#topic failure-in-lower-constraints08:14
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yasufumMy second topic is for a failure have happend since yesterday.08:14
yasufumsome imcompatibility in lower-constraints.txt08:15
yasufumI have tried to fix the failure, but still need more time.08:16
yasufumI think it might be caused by a recent updates of depending packages.08:16
takahashi-tscCould you access gerrit web now? I cannot access...08:17
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yoshito-itoOh, it seems down. I succcessfully accessed it just a few minutes!08:18
manpreetyes it was working earlier...seems down now08:18
yasufumFor now, I have found that two packages, but could be more possibly...08:18
yasufumOops… anyway, I would like to fix the problem as soon as possible.08:19
takahashi-tscThanks, I also check it.08:20
yasufumPlease wait for your patches until it is fixed. Thanks.08:20
yasufumOK. It seems we can go to my third topic, and it must be the same as takahashi-tsc.08:21
yasufum#topic tosca-parser-heat-translator08:22
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yasufumI think we are ready to talk with the teams because there are enough people for contributing as cores.08:23
yasufumThanks for listing your name on etherpad.08:24
yasufumtakahashi-tsc: What do you think?08:24
takahashi-tscFirst, I forget to send email to ML about making 2 teams for 2 projects(heat-translator and torca-parser). I'll send it today.08:25
takahashi-tscAnd I have 1 concerns, now almost members write their name in both 2 projects. Of course I'd like to do both activities, but I think we should decide *main* a projects.08:27
yasufumI think so08:27
takahashi-tscAnyway, I send email to Bob that we are ready to join 2 projects. Would you decide your own main project?08:29
yasufumFor me, either is fine actually, but I will do that.08:30
takahashi-tscThat's all from me about this topic.08:31
yasufumLiang: what do you think?08:32
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yasufumIt seems he is leaving … ?08:36
yasufumIf no more comments, go to the next topic.08:36
yasufum#topic discussion-tst08:36
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takahashi-tscIt is my agenda, right?08:37
Liangsorry for late reaction, I agree with have a main project! and I would like to put heat-translator for my main.08:40
takahashi-tscOK, I discussed how to implement and maintain pre-conditions code. Continuous discussion has been accepted, but my request is not fully accepted.08:40
takahashi-tscThe need for discussion and reporting of specs bugs of pre-conditions was accepted. My team will continue them.08:41
takahashi-tscThey do not think *implementations of code for per-condition* is needed. There are 2 aspects.08:43
takahashi-tsc1st is, they think pre-condition is not scope of TST. I'm not sure it is correct. So I'll continue to discuss.08:44
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takahashi-tsc2nd is, they doubt need of pre-conditions. Someone said some chain(e.g. create->instantiate->delete) is only needed, and it is difficult to make all preconditions code.08:46
takahashi-tscMy team has discussed it before, so we can understand it... But anyway, we'll develop our pre-condition code for us, and will discuss with TST with such our output.08:48
takahashi-tscProbably, detailed discussions would not be possible without such concrete output.08:48
takahashi-tscThat's all. Is there any questions?08:49
yoshito-itoThank you takahashi-san.08:50
yoshito-itoAs Tacker side, how to proceed the test with RobotFramework?08:50
yoshito-itoCan we get your first implementaion in Tacker? Or just in your env and for the discussion with TST?08:51
takahashi-tscWe plan to implement pre-condition code and merge into tacker repository.08:55
takahashi-tscCurrent plan is making pre-conditions for each API using Robot as possible. I think pre-condition using API in SOL should be Robot.But I some pre-conditions cannot be implemented as API execution. Such code will become tacker original code.08:55
yoshito-itoOK, then let me discuss with your code on Gerrit! Thanks.08:57
takahashi-tscYes, thanks.08:57
yasufumWhen do you roughly think share your code? In wallaby, or later?08:59
takahashi-tscFor Basic API is In wallaby, such as create vnf, instantiate, terminamte and delete. Others will be in later.09:01
yasufumThanks for proceeding further discussion with TST, and implementation.09:03
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yasufumI believe your contribution will make takcer far more greater.09:04
yasufumIf you have no more comments for the topic, I would like to close this meeting today.09:05
yasufumGood. Thanks for joining. Bye!09:05
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ricolin#startmeeting multi_arch15:04
openstackMeeting started Tue Dec  8 15:04:05 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is ricolin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:04
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ricolin#topic roll call15:04
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ricolinjeremyfreudberg, :)15:04
ricolinjeremyfreudberg, how's going15:04
jeremyfreudbergi'm alright, always busy15:04
ricolinhope things getting better there15:05
jeremyfreudbergthey are still bad actually15:06
jeremyfreudbergbut whatever15:06
ricolin#topic arm64 cicd15:06
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ricolinsome good news there15:07
ricolinianw, confirmed that wheel mirror support for arm64 is there15:07
ricolinso arm64 jobs should be able to get those wheel packages15:08
ricolinWhich lead to second move that I start to propose non-voting ut jobs to projects15:08
ricolin#link https://review.opendev.org/q/topic:%22story%252F2007938%22+(status:open%20OR%20status:merged)15:08
ricolinthe failing test is because lower-constraints issue15:10
ricolinif only checking arm64 ut, only few project got issue15:10
ricolinlike nova (which I remember it's only need some modification in test code)15:11
ricolinas for devstack job15:12
jeremyfreudbergi'm looking now15:12
ricolin#link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/devstack/+/70831715:12
ricolinonly got one timeout fail in recent three testing15:12
ricolinI'm not look into the failure reason15:13
jeremyfreudbergyes for nova unit tests i remember this issue before15:13
ricolinjeremyfreudberg, yeah, I kind forget which part specifically require to modify15:14
ricolinbut should be able to find it quickly since the test result is there15:14
ricolinI mean the nova ut job15:15
jeremyfreudbergi'm looking at devstack job now15:15
ricolinreally need some help to debug15:16
ricolinI'm checking the logs now as well15:16
ricolin#topic open discussion15:17
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jeremyfreudbergi will try to work on the superuser article15:18
ricolinjeremyfreudberg, that will be great15:18
ricolinIIRC there's no deadline for that right?15:19
jeremyfreudbergno deadline15:20
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ricolinlet me know if you need me to work on any part for the article:)15:22
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ricolinthanks jeremyfreudberg for pick up these tasks:)15:25
ricolinlet's keep the debug conversation going in #openstack-multi-arch channel15:25
jeremyfreudbergwe can end this meeting15:26
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oneswig#startmeeting scientific-sig21:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Dec  8 21:00:33 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is oneswig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.21:00
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oneswig... back in the room21:00
trandlesHi oneswig21:00
oneswigHey trandles, long time no see21:01
oneswigwhat's new?21:01
martialHi Stig21:01
trandlesmostly lurking today, also on a webex at the same time :(21:01
martialHi Tim21:01
oneswigHey martial21:01
trandlesHi Martial21:01
oneswig#chair martial21:01
openstackCurrent chairs: martial oneswig21:01
oneswigCentOS 8.3 turned up in the appstream and a few things broke - qemu was the first (something about gcrypt)21:02
oneswighopefully it'll settle down soon21:02
oneswigThe CentOS move to being a beta for RHEL - understandable but I've heard from a few sites that have concern about this change.21:05
oneswigmartial: does Datamachines base on CentOS?21:08
martialreally depends on the project21:09
martialWe have a few CentOS based installs, but a big set of our cluster is Ubuntu server21:10
martialafter that it is a matter of Ansible-ize the host for what we need21:10
oneswigNice to keep the portability between distros like that21:11
martialwell the next steps are installs of an orchestration mechanism for us21:12
trandleswe tend to do everything with RHEL or a RHEL derivative so I was really hoping to use CentOS for our VMs just to avoid licensing costs21:13
trandlesour RHOSP license price difference between unlimited RHEL clients vs. non was a BIG difference21:13
oneswigdoes this change your thinking trandles?21:14
trandlesnot a lot...we were leaving dealing with licenses up to our users21:14
trandlesit might change what we provide and support for images21:15
trandlesbut not by too much...21:15
trandlesI have heard from 3 different friends, all working at different places, that people are already talking about rolling their own RH-based distro21:16
martialreading the PR I am a little confused if "Stream" is going to be that different21:16
trandlessince AFAIK the RH source will still be on github21:16
trandleswe're licensed RHEL on all of our baremetal systems21:17
oneswigI'll be interested to see how it affects things like RDO - might cause that to be more stream-like too21:17
oneswigtrandles: is openstack-ansible still dual centos and ubuntu?21:18
trandlesoneswig: I don't know, I don't do ubuntu. It still works with centos last I checked (~10 months ago)21:19
oneswigok, interesting.21:20
martialnot sure, I used Ubuntu for Openstack Kolla Ansible21:21
oneswigSo what else is new?21:24
trandlesnot too much from me that would be interesting to this group21:24
martialquiet month usually December :)21:24
trandlesI'm neck deep in end-of-year program and project reviews. i.e. nothing fun is happening :(21:25
oneswigGiven what Covid did to the summer, a lot of our team are sitting on big backlogs of PTO.  December's going to be very quiet over here.21:25
trandlesI can't wait for the second half of 2021 when about 50% of the western world tries to take holidays at the same time.21:27
martiala little more chaos here but a lot quieter than in the past21:28
martial(but then again: December :) )21:28
trandlesOur project budgets are getting blown up because no one is taking their PTO. We have lots of people on paper working more than 1 FTE for the year, me included. I've used a total of 22 hours of PTO in 2020.21:28
oneswigFor an American that's, like, half of it, right? :-)21:29
trandlesLOL if you're an American lucky enough to have a job that provides you with PTO21:29
trandlesWhen I was growing up my dad got a total of 40 hours PTO and was only allowed to use it between November and March.21:30
oneswigpoor guy.  I expect you did what you could to make those 5 days extra special :-)21:31
trandlesI get 120 hrs vacation PTO/year, plus 10hrs/month sick time21:31
trandlesI have ~600 hours of full-paid sick time, just in case a disaster happens21:32
oneswigOn a different subject, we've been having some really interesting time with qemu and backing image performance.21:33
oneswigWe have a project with some beefy hypervisors, but in the initial configuration of 10 HDDs for VM image backing the performance was, as they say in France, comme le chien.21:34
oneswigI mean, truly awful when observed from the VM.21:34
trandlesRAID or erasure?21:35
oneswigIt's RAID 10 but using LVM.  Tried a couple of configurations of that with striping aiming to improve utilisation across all drives.21:36
oneswigI think the next step was to move to md for the device management.21:36
oneswigCherry on the cake was to format /var/lib/nova with xfs instead of ext421:36
trandlesHas anyone tried ZFS?21:37
oneswigMy colleague Michal found an ancient bug on this which apparently still applies21:37
oneswig#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libvirt/+bug/55040921:37
openstackLaunchpad bug 550409 in libvirt (Ubuntu) "Slow disk IO for all guests with all disc modes and types." [Low,Confirmed]21:37
oneswigZFS?  No, not here.  People who use it seem to like it.  Almost like a cult thing21:38
trandlesZFS backs all of our large lustre filesystems. I used ZFS + kernel NFS (not ZFS NFS) for 3PB of local storage on a cluster. I'm thinking of repurposing those storage nodes for a prototype RHOSP deployment I'm doing.21:39
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oneswigZFS and Lustre is a popular combination21:40
trandlesI like it because our storage gurus all know it very well. When I cock up something I can ask for help. ;)21:41
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oneswigGives Lustre the resiliency it otherwise wouldn't have...21:41
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trandlesThe other meeting is done. I can focus.21:42
trandlesOf general interest may be that we just started an install today of OpenShift on OpenStack21:42
oneswigOoh, fancy.  How well do the two integrate?  Is it similar to Magnum?21:43
trandlesThe OpenStack is CentOS 8 + RDO. One of our k8s wizards is handling the OpenShift so I'm looking over his virtual shoulder and learning.21:43
oneswigoops, wrong window :-)21:44
trandlesRHAT supports that deployment model so it's what we're using.21:44
trandlesOne of our partners from another lab is pushing us to use portworx for storage. Anyone have experience? I'm pushing back since we have no portworx experience internally.21:45
trandlesmartial: I thought maybe Data Machines might have looked at Portworx21:45
oneswigMind out with their performance figures, they have a benchmark mode that's relaxed about committing to disk.  You probably don't want to run your databases in that mode.21:46
martialname rings a bell21:46
oneswigAlthough I think in general it performs well anyway.  I don't have operational experience.21:46
martialI remember seeing it in the past but no direct use here; Ceph or min.io mostly21:47
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oneswigAmusing to follow the thread Jon Mills posted on hn to the point where someone recommends Oracle Linux as an alternative to CentOS... hmmm...21:59
oneswigNearly at time, final comments?21:59
martialreaching the end of the hour too21:59
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oneswigOk y'all, time to wrap.22:00
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oneswiguntil next time22:00
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trandlesbye all22:00
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