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| ralonsoh | ping slaweq | 14:03 |
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| mlavalle | LOL | 14:03 |
| lajoskatona | Hi | 14:03 |
| amotoki | o/ | 14:03 |
| slaweq | #startmeeting neutron_drivers | 14:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Fri Dec 18 14:03:41 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is slaweq. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_drivers)" | 14:03 | |
| slaweq | hi | 14:03 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers' | 14:03 |
| slaweq | sorry, I started meeting in #openstack-infra channel :D | 14:03 |
| ralonsoh | hahahha | 14:04 |
| amotoki | o/ | 14:04 |
| slaweq | thx ralonsoh for ping in correct one | 14:04 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 14:04 |
| rubasov | o/ | 14:04 |
| mlavalle | it happened to me also once | 14:04 |
| slaweq | I think we have quorum already | 14:05 |
| slaweq | haleyb|away: and njohnston are on pto already IIRC | 14:05 |
| slaweq | and yamamoto isn't available also on irc | 14:05 |
| slaweq | so lets start | 14:06 |
| slaweq | #topic RFEs | 14:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "RFEs (Meeting topic: neutron_drivers)" | 14:06 | |
| slaweq | We have 2 RFEs for today | 14:06 |
| slaweq | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1907089 | 14:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1907089 in neutron "[RFE] Add BFD support for Neutron" [Wishlist,New] - Assigned to Lajos Katona (lajos-katona) | 14:06 |
| slaweq | first one from lajoskatona | 14:06 |
| lajoskatona | Yes, this is to support BFD in neutron | 14:06 |
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| slaweq | lajoskatona: first question is: does it require support for ecmp first? | 14:08 |
| amotoki | It looks related to the ECMP support. | 14:08 |
| slaweq | for which spec is already in review | 14:08 |
| lajoskatona | slaweq: yeah it can be related | 14:08 |
| lajoskatona | not sure if we have to make it dependent, I mean the API can be added ,and even we can monitor static routes for example as 1st step | 14:09 |
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| rubasov | it's most useful for ecmp, but non-ecmp routed could be also monitored | 14:09 |
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| rubasov | routes^^^ | 14:10 |
| lajoskatona | yeah the cherry on top can be to change routes based on BFD status let's say | 14:10 |
| slaweq | can we also in future use it e.g. to do failover of active ha router? | 14:10 |
| slaweq | if external gw is not working for example | 14:11 |
| amotoki | the spec currently proposed is about ECMP support on a single neutron router, but in my understaing lajoskatona's RFE assumes a pair of neutron routers and BDF is used to monitor healthiness of paired routers. | 14:11 |
| amotoki | s/BDF/BFD/ | 14:11 |
| lajoskatona | slaweq: yeah, we thought about that, but left it out from this spec | 14:11 |
| slaweq | k | 14:11 |
| lajoskatona | yeah the usecase is comming from monitoring nexthop-destination pairs and protocols like BGP | 14:12 |
| amotoki | I think active-active router pair is a new concept in neutron and it is different from our current HA router. | 14:12 |
| lajoskatona | but the whole thing can be a general API that can be used to other things in best case | 14:13 |
| ralonsoh | I have one question about the backend implementation: why the monitor is on the OVS port, instead of the router namespace interface? | 14:13 |
| lajoskatona | amotoki: in our mind ewe have more a neutron router and another out of neutron | 14:14 |
| ralonsoh | (apart from the OVS limitation to one single monitor per interface) | 14:14 |
| amotoki | lajoskatona: sorry. I was confused with others... thanks for clarification | 14:14 |
| lajoskatona | ralonsoh: to tell the truth during the PTG somebody suggested that OVS has this feature, why no to use it as it is already there | 14:15 |
| ralonsoh | but this is a hard limitation for ECMP (when implemented) | 14:15 |
| lajoskatona | ralonsoh: you suggest to use something else in the namespace? | 14:15 |
| ralonsoh | FFR package (both in Ubuntu and RHEL8) | 14:16 |
| lajoskatona | ralonsoh: I check it | 14:16 |
| ralonsoh | (I never tested it, just read the doc) | 14:16 |
| lajoskatona | ralonsoh: yeah it's new topic for me as well :-) | 14:16 |
| lajoskatona | The hard thing is as I see that the router API is touched to add bfd reference to extra routes | 14:17 |
| mlavalle | we are in explarotary face, so we have time to research this type of implementation things | 14:17 |
| lajoskatona | mlavalle: yeah, we do not expect quick result, it seems quite a handful topic to make it really useful | 14:18 |
| mlavalle | so IMO, since a spec is going to be written anyways, I'd be good +1 ing this RFE | 14:18 |
| mlavalle | an we can have a detailed discussion there | 14:19 |
| ralonsoh | agree | 14:19 |
| lajoskatona | malavalle: Yeah that't why I started to draft a spec quickly | 14:19 |
| amotoki | yeah, agree. | 14:19 |
| slaweq | I'm fine with approving that rfe and continue discussion in the spec | 14:19 |
| slaweq | and then in the implementation patches | 14:19 |
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| * mlavalle realizes that he wrote face when he intended pahse.... LOL | 14:20 | |
| ralonsoh | (sounds similar) | 14:20 |
| slaweq | :) | 14:20 |
| mlavalle | phase | 14:20 |
| ralonsoh | +1 to the RFE | 14:20 |
| mlavalle | +1 to the RFE | 14:20 |
| slaweq | so if I understood correctly we agreed to approve the rfe, right? | 14:20 |
| amotoki | +1 to apprve the RFE. the request itself to add BFD monitor per router sounds good. | 14:22 |
| slaweq | ok, so that was quick :) | 14:22 |
| slaweq | thx | 14:22 |
| amotoki | s/per router/per route/ | 14:22 |
| lajoskatona | thanks, \o/ | 14:22 |
| slaweq | I will mark that rfe as approved after the meeting | 14:22 |
| slaweq | so lets move to the second one | 14:23 |
| slaweq | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1905295 | 14:23 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1905295 in neutron "[RFE] Allow multiple external gateways on a router" [Wishlist,New] - Assigned to Bence Romsics (bence-romsics) | 14:23 |
| slaweq | this one was discussed last week | 14:23 |
| slaweq | and rubasov provided some new data there | 14:23 |
| rubasov | yep, made some progress exploring the alternative of using router interfaces to subnets of external networks | 14:23 |
| rubasov | I found a question: despite what the api-ref says do we consider this a supported use of the api? | 14:25 |
| amotoki | I added some follow-up comment on my understanding on "external" just before the meeting | 14:25 |
| rubasov | plus this alternative would entail other changes in neutron-dynamic-routing | 14:25 |
| amotoki | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1905295/comments/12 | 14:25 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1905295 in neutron "[RFE] Allow multiple external gateways on a router" [Wishlist,New] - Assigned to Bence Romsics (bence-romsics) | 14:25 |
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| rubasov | amotoki: thank you, just read it a few minutea ago | 14:25 |
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| mlavalle | so we would use neutron-dynamic-routing somehow? | 14:26 |
| rubasov | my use case does require routed being advertised via bgp | 14:27 |
| amotoki | I think we can use dynamici-routing somehow. It depends on the interpretation of "external" of a network. | 14:28 |
| amotoki | I mean what routes should be advertised. | 14:28 |
| rubasov | and neutron-dynamic-routing does not advertise routes towards subnets of external networks today | 14:28 |
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| rubasov | the logic of advertised routes looks at ports with device_owner=router_gw | 14:29 |
| rubasov | so that's something I need to look into to support my use case | 14:30 |
| rubasov | but technically I guess that would be a different rfe | 14:30 |
| mlavalle | that is fine with me. I was just asking clarifying question | 14:31 |
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| amotoki | so perhaps we would like to clarify what is device_owner="router_gateway" (and "external" network) | 14:33 |
| amotoki | neutron uses "external" network in several context: router default gateway, floating IP pool and SNAT | 14:34 |
| amotoki | I think the current behavior of neutron-dynamic-routing is good | 14:34 |
| amotoki | and we keep the current behavior to advertise routes related to router-gateway only | 14:35 |
| amotoki | it is easy to understand, but what happens if we go to (3) (router interface with external network) | 14:36 |
| amotoki | ? | 14:36 |
| slaweq | and then we should continue with rubasov's rfe as "allowing multiple external gateways" | 14:36 |
| rubasov | amotoki: I was thinking of not removing any routed advertises today, just adding an option to advertise towards external=true networks too | 14:36 |
| slaweq | amotoki: IMHO this direction with multiple ext gws is conceptually better | 14:37 |
| slaweq | and more in line with well known neutron behaviour | 14:37 |
| amotoki | slaweq: I think so | 14:37 |
| amotoki | rubasov: we don't know full usage of external networks so I am not sure side effect when we advertise external networks as router interfaces. that's a conceern. | 14:38 |
| mlavalle | rubasov: spec is the next step, right? | 14:38 |
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| rubasov | mlavalle: yes, but a spec for which alternative? :-) | 14:39 |
| slaweq | my proposal is to accept rfe as a concept and continue spec in the "multiple external gateways" way | 14:39 |
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| mlavalle | yeah, that is what I was about to suggest | 14:40 |
| amotoki | "multiple external gateways" in a router sounds most straight-forward to me | 14:40 |
| slaweq | thx :) | 14:40 |
| mlavalle | since we seem to have some consesnsus arounbd it | 14:40 |
| amotoki | rubasov: one clarification: your RFE mentions active-active routers in a use case, but is it out of scope of the RFE, right? | 14:41 |
| rubasov | amotoki: yes, out of scope here | 14:42 |
| amotoki | rubasov: thanks | 14:42 |
| amotoki | i'm fine to approve this RFE | 14:43 |
| slaweq | ralonsoh: are You ok with approving it? | 14:44 |
| ralonsoh | sure, +1 | 14:44 |
| mlavalle | to formalize in the record, also +1 from me | 14:44 |
| slaweq | thx mlavalle :) | 14:44 |
| slaweq | I assumed that You and amotoki already gave +1 but in different words :) | 14:44 |
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| slaweq | ok, so I will mark this one as approved too | 14:45 |
| slaweq | thx a lot for the discussions | 14:45 |
| slaweq | that's all what I had for today | 14:45 |
| rubasov | okay, next I will write a spec and also start working with the PoC we discussed last time to explore the concerns about the complexity | 14:45 |
| rubasov | thank you guys | 14:45 |
| slaweq | rubasov: sounds good, thx | 14:45 |
| slaweq | so as the last thing today I want to wish all of You happy holidays and happy New Year | 14:46 |
| mlavalle | rubasov, lajoskatona: thanks for the proposals. It's always nice to support more use cases. You seem to be pushing the edge in L3 | 14:46 |
| slaweq | stay safe and see You all in the 2021 :) | 14:46 |
| slaweq | I'm going to cancel meetings in december | 14:46 |
| amotoki | rubasov: thanks for breaking down the issue in detail. | 14:46 |
| rubasov | thanks for all the good feedback | 14:46 |
| lajoskatona | Happy holidays for everybody :-) | 14:46 |
| mlavalle | slaweq: same to you. More importantly, I wish a healthy and vaccinated 2021 to everybody | 14:46 |
| ralonsoh | enjoy! happy holidays! | 14:47 |
| amotoki | happy holidays and new years everyone :-) | 14:47 |
| rubasov | happy holidays! | 14:47 |
| mlavalle | and remember to be careful during your celebrations. The emergency is not over just yet | 14:47 |
| slaweq | mlavalle: :) I think that will be most common wishes this year | 14:47 |
| lajoskatona | mlavalle: good to learn new things that's seems to be useful :-) | 14:47 |
| slaweq | "vaccinated 2021!" | 14:47 |
| slaweq | o/ | 14:47 |
| slaweq | #endmeeting | 14:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 14:48 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Dec 18 14:47:59 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2020/neutron_drivers.2020-12-18-14.03.html | 14:48 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 14:48 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2020/neutron_drivers.2020-12-18-14.03.txt | 14:48 |
| lajoskatona | 😷 | 14:48 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2020/neutron_drivers.2020-12-18-14.03.log.html | 14:48 |
| rubasov | o/ | 14:48 |
| lajoskatona | Bye | 14:48 |
| amotoki | o/ | 14:48 |
| ralonsoh | bye | 14:48 |
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