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| slaweq | #startmeeting neutron_drivers | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Fri Feb 12 14:00:32 2021 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is slaweq. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_drivers)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers' | 14:00 |
| slaweq | hi | 14:00 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 14:00 |
| amotoki | hi | 14:00 |
| haleyb | hi | 14:01 |
| slaweq | lets wait few more minutes for ralonsoh and njohnston | 14:02 |
| ralonsoh | hi (sorrY) | 14:02 |
| slaweq | I think that Nate is not here today | 14:02 |
| slaweq | and yamamoto already wrote an email that he will not be there | 14:02 |
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| slaweq | so I think we can start | 14:02 |
| lajoskatona | o/ | 14:02 |
| slaweq | #topic RFEs | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "RFEs (Meeting topic: neutron_drivers)" | 14:02 | |
| slaweq | we have one RFE for today https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1915151 | 14:02 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1915151 in neutron "[RFE] There should be a way to set ethertype for the vlan_transparent networks" [Wishlist,New] - Assigned to Slawek Kaplonski (slaweq) | 14:03 |
| slaweq | Sean already made some comment there and I really like his idea about new extension and attibute "qinq" for networks | 14:03 |
| slaweq | something similar to "vlan_transparency" but treated separately | 14:04 |
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| ralonsoh | because the goal of this RFE is to accept QinQ, right? | 14:04 |
| slaweq | right | 14:05 |
| slaweq | but in the way that user controls C-Tag in his own | 14:05 |
| slaweq | something like we have now with vlan transparency | 14:05 |
| slaweq | but we now send packets with 2 vlan tags and ethertype 0x8100 | 14:05 |
| slaweq | so it's not really qinq | 14:05 |
| slaweq | and it can work e.g in tunnel networks also if backend supports that | 14:06 |
| amotoki | my memory is ambiguous. Is C-tag an internal tag right? | 14:06 |
| slaweq | amotoki: yes | 14:06 |
| slaweq | it's inner tag | 14:06 |
| slaweq | S-tag is the outer one | 14:06 |
| slaweq | and that would be controlled by Neutron | 14:06 |
| ralonsoh | yeah, we discussed about this in Atlanta and other meetings. I think the idea of having something different to vlan-transparency is better. And we can control the backends supporting it | 14:06 |
| slaweq | that's at least use case which we have and would like to fit | 14:06 |
| slaweq | yes | 14:07 |
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| slaweq | in fact control mechanism would be very similar to what we have now with vlan_transparency | 14:07 |
| ralonsoh | agree | 14:07 |
| amotoki | so, what we would like to achive is that VM sends C-tag and neutron adds S-tag, right? | 14:07 |
| slaweq | amotoki: right | 14:07 |
| amotoki | and is it out of scope that we allow VM to send QinQ itself? | 14:08 |
| slaweq | and packet will have ethertype 0x8a88 | 14:08 |
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| slaweq | amotoki: yes, vm will see "just" one vlan tag | 14:08 |
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| amotoki | slaweq: thanks for clarification | 14:08 |
| slaweq | basically we have cu who was using vlan_transparency to achieve that | 14:08 |
| lajoskatona | slaweq: how this differs from trunk? | 14:09 |
| slaweq | but now some Cisco switches strips one vlan tag from packets if it's ethertype 0x8a88 | 14:09 |
| ralonsoh | trunk ports are transparent for the VM | 14:10 |
| slaweq | lajoskatona: in this case user can configure any vlan tag in the vm, no matter what is configured in neutron | 14:10 |
| slaweq | lajoskatona: and packet in underlay network has 2 tags | 14:10 |
| lajoskatona | ah, ok ,so no preset segment_id or similar | 14:10 |
| slaweq | with trunks, tag is changed and single tag is send to the wire | 14:10 |
| lajoskatona | ok, thanks, I see now why this can be useful | 14:11 |
| amotoki | you says neutron adds S-tag (outer tag), so what is the difference from a normal vlan neutron network case? | 14:12 |
| slaweq | amotoki: the difference is that vm see packets with vlan tag (one) | 14:13 |
| slaweq | so inside vm You need to configure e.g. eth0.100 | 14:13 |
| slaweq | this is similar to trunks | 14:13 |
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| amotoki | slaweq: it is about an inter tag (C-tag) | 14:13 |
| slaweq | yes, C-tag is configured by user inside vm | 14:14 |
| amotoki | I wonder the relationship between outer tag and a VLAN for a neutron VLAN network. | 14:14 |
| slaweq | and S-Tag is neutron's tag added on the compute node | 14:14 |
| amotoki | are both same? | 14:14 |
| mlavalle | hence the name QinQ | 14:14 |
| slaweq | amotoki: outer vlan is Neutron's vlan | 14:14 |
| slaweq | so, let's say we have in neutron network with segmentation_id=10 (vlan network) | 14:14 |
| slaweq | and it has this qinq feature enabled | 14:15 |
| slaweq | so user can plug instance to it | 14:15 |
| slaweq | and he will have eth0 interface in vm | 14:15 |
| slaweq | so far, our normal vlan network, right? | 14:15 |
| slaweq | and then user can also add eth0.100 or eth0.200 or whatever inside vm | 14:15 |
| mlavalle | the Q in inQ | 14:16 |
| slaweq | and packets send through eth0 will have then s-tag=10 (neutron) and c-tag=100 (vm) | 14:16 |
| slaweq | mlavalle: exactly | 14:16 |
| ralonsoh | the point is not to enforce the user to use any specific VLAN range, depending on the infrastructure | 14:16 |
| amotoki | yeah, right | 14:16 |
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| mlavalle | We've had proposals for this before. To me, it is clearly needed, so I say +1 | 14:17 |
| ralonsoh | +1 | 14:17 |
| mlavalle | and I like Sean's proposal | 14:18 |
| slaweq | I will not vote for that as I proposed it | 14:18 |
| amotoki | for my understanding, the difference from vlan_tranceparency is that in case of vlan_transparency packets from VM are sent to a neutron network without any change right? | 14:18 |
| slaweq | amotoki: difference is in fact in the ethertype which packets have | 14:19 |
| slaweq | in vlan transparency it is 0x8100 (802.1q which is "normal" vlan) | 14:19 |
| slaweq | and in that qinq case we want to send 0x8a88 which is really qinq | 14:19 |
| slaweq | and also this qinq will be possible only for vlan networks | 14:20 |
| amotoki | slaweq: packets you talk about is at the neutron network layer. | 14:20 |
| slaweq | otherwise it doesn't makes sense | 14:20 |
| amotoki | slaweq: what about packets from VM? | 14:20 |
| slaweq | amotoki: I would need to check that but IIRC inside the vm it would be 0x8100 as there would be one vlan | 14:21 |
| slaweq | hmm, that is good question | 14:21 |
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| amotoki | I think we need to clarify three cases (this prposal, trunk and vlan_transparency) from both of neutron network and a NIC in a guest VM. | 14:22 |
| amotoki | * perspectives. | 14:22 |
| slaweq | true | 14:23 |
| slaweq | I will check all those cases and will update RFE next week | 14:23 |
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| amotoki | sounds fine. thanks | 14:24 |
| slaweq | thx amotoki++ | 14:24 |
| slaweq | that's very good point to clarify | 14:24 |
| slaweq | anything else do You want me to check before we will get back to that? | 14:25 |
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| amotoki | nothing else from me. If we can clarify the need and we dont' support it now, the RFE would make sense. | 14:29 |
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| slaweq | I will update it next week and we can get back to it | 14:30 |
| slaweq | are You all ok with that? | 14:30 |
| mlavalle | +1 | 14:30 |
| ralonsoh | yes | 14:30 |
| amotoki | sounds good | 14:30 |
| slaweq | thx | 14:30 |
| haleyb | +1 | 14:30 |
| slaweq | if You would have any additional questions/doubts, please write a comment there | 14:30 |
| slaweq | ok, that's all what I had for today | 14:31 |
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| slaweq | on demand agenda is also empty | 14:31 |
| slaweq | so I think I can give You 30 minutes back today | 14:31 |
| mlavalle | Just one point | 14:31 |
| slaweq | thx for attending the meeting and have a great weekend :) | 14:31 |
| slaweq | mlavalle: sure | 14:31 |
| mlavalle | As soon as https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/neutron-lib/+/774929 merges, can we do a neutron-lib release? | 14:31 |
| slaweq | yes, I actually wanted to ask You about it today :) | 14:32 |
| mlavalle | You are welcome ;-) | 14:32 |
| slaweq | amotoki: are You ok with that? | 14:32 |
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| amotoki | slaweq: I am okay with that, but is it okay to add a new attribute to an existing API extension? | 14:33 |
| slaweq | I was thinking about it | 14:33 |
| lajoskatona | technically it will be a new extension if I understand well, or not? | 14:33 |
| slaweq | but in that case IIRC we never really finished that address groups feature yet | 14:33 |
| lajoskatona | which extends the previous extension | 14:34 |
| ralonsoh | that's correct, this extension is not released yet | 14:34 |
| slaweq | so IMHO in that case it would be fine | 14:34 |
| mlavalle | that was our thinking | 14:34 |
| lajoskatona | oh I see now, yeah I have the same understanding, it is the feautre of this cycle, not an older one | 14:34 |
| slaweq | so I tried to be more practical and not fall into "extensions madness" again ;) | 14:34 |
| amotoki | good point. If we don't release it, we can do it. | 14:34 |
| slaweq | btw, there is also one my patch waiting for review https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/neutron-lib/+/770612 | 14:35 |
| slaweq | it's not critical so we don't need to wait for it but maybe You can take a look at it too? | 14:35 |
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| slaweq | I would then be able to work on the neutron part of fix for that issue | 14:36 |
| amotoki | back to the first topic, the address group neutron extension is shipped as part of victoria release but is it incomplete right? | 14:37 |
| slaweq | amotoki: right | 14:37 |
| amotoki | thanks, so the current neutron-lib patch makes sense. | 14:37 |
| slaweq | mlavalle: bad news is that it seems that we will not merge it without https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/neutron/+/775357 | 14:40 |
| slaweq | as neutron-tempest-plugin-api is failing on that patch due to oslo_policy 3.6.2 :/ | 14:40 |
| mlavalle | ok, we need to work on that patch then, right? | 14:41 |
| slaweq | I hope it can be merged soon | 14:42 |
| slaweq | it is needed also to unblock other things | 14:42 |
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| slaweq | it's now in the check queue in zuul | 14:43 |
| slaweq | so we need to be patient :) | 14:43 |
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| mlavalle | ok | 14:43 |
| slaweq | mlavalle: but I will keep an eye on it and will try to merge all through the weekend to propose release of neutron-lib asap for You :) | 14:43 |
| mlavalle | np | 14:43 |
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| mlavalle | thanks! | 14:43 |
| slaweq | anything else to discuss today? | 14:44 |
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| mlavalle | not from me | 14:45 |
| slaweq | if not, thx for attending and have a great weekend :) | 14:45 |
| ralonsoh | have a nice weekend | 14:45 |
| slaweq | see You online o/ | 14:45 |
| slaweq | #endmeeting | 14:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 14:45 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Feb 12 14:45:51 2021 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2021/neutron_drivers.2021-02-12-14.00.html | 14:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2021/neutron_drivers.2021-02-12-14.00.txt | 14:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2021/neutron_drivers.2021-02-12-14.00.log.html | 14:45 |
| amotoki | have a nice weekend! | 14:45 |
| lajoskatona | Bye | 14:47 |
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