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| abhishekk | #startmeeting glance | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 25 14:00:31 2021 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is abhishekk. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| abhishekk | #topic roll call | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:00 | |
| abhishekk | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 14:00 |
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| abhishekk | o/ | 14:00 |
| dansmith | o/ | 14:01 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 14:01 |
| * lbragstad lingers | 14:01 | |
| abhishekk | lets wait couple of minutes for jokke | 14:01 |
| jokke | o/ | 14:01 |
| abhishekk | cool | 14:01 |
| abhishekk | #topic release/periodic jobs update | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "release/periodic jobs update (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:02 | |
| abhishekk | Final release of non-client libraries - Next week | 14:02 |
| abhishekk | TODO: releasenotes and release patch for glance_store | 14:02 |
| abhishekk | I will do that on Monday | 14:02 |
| abhishekk | Request to go through open patches of store and see what we can get in two days | 14:02 |
| abhishekk | Milestone 3 - 2 weeks away | 14:03 |
| abhishekk | We have lots of open patches, kindly review them as well | 14:03 |
| abhishekk | Also we have a gate situation | 14:04 |
| abhishekk | Job which is passing during check is failing of gate or vice a versa | 14:04 |
| abhishekk | We need plan to get all important patches in | 14:05 |
| abhishekk | I am open for ideas on how we should proceed | 14:05 |
| dansmith | is it some test of ours, or just general test flakiness? | 14:05 |
| abhishekk | general test flakiness | 14:05 |
| dansmith | I've had a lot of rechecks to do lately, but it's all been unrelated stuff | 14:06 |
| dansmith | ack, okay | 14:06 |
| abhishekk | most of the failures are related to volume | 14:06 |
| dansmith | yeah, I see a lot of those | 14:06 |
| dansmith | leading up to m3, things will likely get worse with load, as they always do | 14:06 |
| abhishekk | and couple of times I saw TIME out for functional-py36 job as well | 14:06 |
| dansmith | so I think in the short term, extra vigilance around babysitting and rechecking is what we have to do | 14:07 |
| dansmith | 116 things in the check queue at 6am PST is pretty high load | 14:07 |
| abhishekk | Yep, today I have added recheck almost around 9-10 times | 14:07 |
| dansmith | yeah, this is why you can never put stuff off until late in the cycle :/ | 14:07 |
| abhishekk | Can we offload some jobs on check or gate ? | 14:07 |
| dansmith | I think the ones that are failing for us are all base jobs right? | 14:08 |
| abhishekk | or atleast turn them non voting | 14:08 |
| abhishekk | I guess so | 14:08 |
| dansmith | yeah, I'm not in favor of disabling tests to make it through :/ | 14:08 |
| dansmith | getting everything +Wd that we can so we have as much time to get them through the gate as possible is critical | 14:09 |
| dansmith | I think your tasks set is all +W, and I +W'd a bunch of rbac stuff yesterday | 14:09 |
| abhishekk | yes | 14:09 |
| jokke | dansmith: I realy hope that mail of yours about the infra job runs continues to get attention and everyone some point being bit more critical about their tests | 14:10 |
| abhishekk | we might also have 2 new patches coming for RBAC | 14:10 |
| dansmith | jokke: there has been some movement already, but... yeah | 14:10 |
| dansmith | jokke: the natural uptick in load at the end of the cycle makes it hard to "feel" like much has happened, just because of the timing | 14:10 |
| lbragstad | i know this might not be favorable either, but it we run up against the wall on m3 and a patch is tripping on gate and checks for a week trying to get in, would glance issue an exception? | 14:11 |
| abhishekk | lbragstad, you mean FFE? | 14:11 |
| dansmith | lbragstad: I hope so, especially for something we've been happy with and are just not able to get through the gate.. that's really what FFE is for, IMHO | 14:11 |
| lbragstad | right | 14:11 |
| jokke | dansmith: Oh I know. I wasn't referring to it as measure of current situation, but if we get less pointless testing from everyone, it will eventually make the life easier in the long run | 14:11 |
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| dansmith | yup | 14:12 |
| abhishekk | lbragstad, +1 for FFE | 14:12 |
| * jokke remembers the old good times when people were horrified of test job passed 1hr mark ;) | 14:12 | |
| jokke | passing | 14:13 |
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| abhishekk | So, we need to keep eyes on the patches and add rechecks | 14:13 |
| dansmith | I will be off the grid this weekend, | 14:13 |
| abhishekk | I will try to keep watch over the weekend | 14:13 |
| dansmith | otherwise I would be here to keep rechecking | 14:13 |
| dansmith | but once I'm back I'll surely help with the babysitting | 14:13 |
| abhishekk | I will volunteer for this week | 14:13 |
| jokke | abhishekk: I guess I will take the late shift on that | 14:14 |
| abhishekk | cool | 14:14 |
| jokke | dansmith: going camping or something among those lines? | 14:14 |
| abhishekk | we almost have around 15+ patches in line | 14:14 |
| dansmith | jokke: undisclosed location, classified. (but yes :) | 14:14 |
| abhishekk | we will give priority to RBAC, Tasks and Distributed Image import first | 14:15 |
| lbragstad | if you need another baby-sitter, feel free to add me as a reviewer | 14:15 |
| abhishekk | I will create on etherpad to track all important patches | 14:15 |
| jokke | dansmith: sounds great, I wish I could do that (damn lockdown keeps me within 5km from the house or significant fines will be issued) | 14:15 |
| abhishekk | lbragstad, cool, thank you | 14:15 |
| abhishekk | Moving ahead | 14:15 |
| abhishekk | #topic Glance secure RBAC | 14:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Glance secure RBAC (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:16 | |
| abhishekk | We are going to implement Project scope in this cycle as Experimental | 14:16 |
| abhishekk | lbragstad, is suggesting to use oslo_policies config option as showing this work as EXPERIMENTAL | 14:16 |
| lbragstad | certainly open for debate here | 14:17 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/glance/+/776588/4 | 14:17 |
| abhishekk | Reviews; | 14:17 |
| abhishekk | #link https://review.opendev.org/q/topic:%2522secure-rbac%2522+(status:open+OR+status:merged)+project:openstack/glance | 14:17 |
| abhishekk | #link https://review.opendev.org/q/topic:%2522secure-rbac%2522+(status:open+OR+status:merged)+project:openstack/glance-tempest-plugin | 14:17 |
| dansmith | so, | 14:17 |
| dansmith | lbragstad: are you sure that only logs once? | 14:17 |
| dansmith | in nova when we added something like that, it was on every policy check | 14:17 |
| lbragstad | dansmith yeah - i tested it manually | 14:17 |
| lbragstad | but - we should add a test to make sure that's the case | 14:18 |
| dansmith | okay, so that probably happens one every child spawn and recycle right? | 14:18 |
| dansmith | better than each request, but still maybe too verbose if it's constantly setting off alarms at runtime | 14:18 |
| lbragstad | yeah | 14:18 |
| jokke | lbragstad: abhishekk: my problem using the oslo config option for that is that the config file has no indication that turning it on would be experimental in glance perspective, and as we all know, people do not read release notes for stuff like that | 14:18 |
| lbragstad | so - we'll need a way to detect that | 14:18 |
| dansmith | we could name the config option do_experimental_thing and then just use the deprecated_param= thing later | 14:20 |
| dansmith | if they're opting in now, and we're going to log a warning, | 14:20 |
| dansmith | it's probably not too much to ask that they change to the real config option later | 14:20 |
| dansmith | however, I'm not overly concerned about them turning something on and not knowing it's experimental, | 14:20 |
| dansmith | if we have it in the config help, and log a warning, etc | 14:20 |
| abhishekk | jokke, same for me, but the default value of that is also false | 14:21 |
| dansmith | glance ships a default config with all the comments right? | 14:21 |
| jokke | Well my original point of overwriting the oslo config option was to overwrite it only off. So document that you need to have both on for it to work, after we're happy with it, we remove our experimental config option and then it will be just the oslo one dictating the behaviour | 14:21 |
| abhishekk | yes | 14:21 |
| dansmith | abhishekk: so if it's marked experimental in there, surely that's good enough no? | 14:22 |
| abhishekk | I think so | 14:22 |
| dansmith | or wait, | 14:22 |
| dansmith | is this a conf option we import from oslo? | 14:22 |
| lbragstad | yes | 14:22 |
| jokke | dansmith: corret | 14:22 |
| dansmith | right, right, okay | 14:22 |
| lbragstad | `glance-api.conf [oslo_policy] enforce_new_defaults` | 14:22 |
| jokke | that's why it's not showing in our config files as experimental | 14:22 |
| lbragstad | which defaults to False | 14:23 |
| dansmith | yup, got it | 14:23 |
| abhishekk | and I haven't seen anywhere of overwriting the config value | 14:23 |
| dansmith | no, please don't do that | 14:23 |
| jokke | if it was, I'd had no need to get specific option in there ... our conf file is mile ong as it is | 14:23 |
| lbragstad | my only hesitation would be creating a different configuration experience for operators | 14:24 |
| jokke | abhishekk: actually we do that ... I'll dig out example for you | 14:24 |
| abhishekk | what we can do is log warning or stop service to start if former is True and later is False | 14:24 |
| lbragstad | e.g., i have to set x in all these config files, but i have to remember to set x and y in glance | 14:24 |
| lbragstad | but - maybe that's not a huge concern since they're already opting into a pretty big config change across services | 14:25 |
| dansmith | abhishekk: we could, and far better than mutating config ourselves, but.. I feel like a warning log and renos is enough | 14:25 |
| abhishekk | :) | 14:25 |
| dansmith | lbragstad: especially since this is opt-in, I really think we don't need to jump through too many hoops | 14:25 |
| lbragstad | the documentation for enforce_new_defaults is pretty clear | 14:26 |
| lbragstad | it's explicit in saying it enforces only the behavior of the new defaults, and if i'm an operator, i should probably understand those before i flip that bit | 14:27 |
| dansmith | yeah | 14:27 |
| abhishekk | Ok, I think we should have one config option in glance with proper help text and then log warnings on startup if either is ON | 14:28 |
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| dansmith | abhishekk: what does the glance config option do? | 14:28 |
| abhishekk | dansmith, when I added that config option, I have defined policies based on that config option | 14:29 |
| abhishekk | i.e. if that is False then it was enforcing current policies | 14:29 |
| dansmith | abhishekk: so either the oslo.policy thing will enable the new behavior, or the new glance thing? | 14:29 |
| abhishekk | and if it is True it will enforce new policies | 14:29 |
| dansmith | can you make it do that without mutating the oslo_policy config? | 14:30 |
| abhishekk | yes, I was doing something like this | 14:30 |
| abhishekk | https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/glance/+/763208/4/glance/policies/tasks.py#106 | 14:31 |
| lbragstad | if `glance-api.conf [oslo_policy] enforce_new_defaults=True` but the glance option is False, the policies wouldn't opt into the new behavior, right? | 14:32 |
| dansmith | hmm, okay, that's better than mutating config but I think that might be a little confusing for the operator if I'm reading it right, | 14:32 |
| dansmith | but at least it will get their attention | 14:32 |
| dansmith | how about this option: | 14:32 |
| abhishekk | lbragstad, that is what we are thinking | 14:33 |
| dansmith | We add a new enable_experimental_policies=False config.. if they enable the oslo thing without setting this to true, we refuse to start with a reason.. basically either both are off (current behavior) or you have to turn both on if you want new behavior, and if they disagree, fail to start | 14:33 |
| abhishekk | Sounds better to me | 14:33 |
| dansmith | I think if the operator asks for a thing in policy, ignoring that and starting with different rules is risky behavior | 14:34 |
| dansmith | since this is security related | 14:34 |
| abhishekk | Yep | 14:34 |
| jokke | I'm fine with that | 14:35 |
| abhishekk | So not to start if later is True when glance thing is False is better way | 14:35 |
| abhishekk | lbragstad, sounds good? | 14:35 |
| lbragstad | yep | 14:35 |
| abhishekk | great | 14:35 |
| abhishekk | Moving ahead | 14:35 |
| dansmith | lbragstad: can you slap that into your stuff or do you need someone to work on that? | 14:36 |
| lbragstad | i'm a little buried trying to figure out the metadef api stuff, but i can probably get around to it by EOD | 14:36 |
| abhishekk | Also I think we should move this patch out of the tree and keep it independent | 14:36 |
| jokke | that _should_ be like the config option definition + maybe 2-3 lines in glance/cmd/api.py | 14:36 |
| dansmith | okay we can talk after | 14:37 |
| dansmith | abhishekk: agree | 14:37 |
| abhishekk | jokke, correct | 14:37 |
| dansmith | abhishekk: just move on with the tree, knowing we'll merge the safety thing before release | 14:37 |
| abhishekk | dansmith, ack | 14:37 |
| abhishekk | Later topics are related to review requests only | 14:38 |
| jokke | one more thing about RBAC before we move on | 14:38 |
| abhishekk | shoot | 14:39 |
| jokke | Should we bump up the oslo_policy logging level by a lot in tests or did we have some fixture we could use to filter the deprecations out of it's logging? | 14:39 |
| jokke | It's massive, like to the point that my terminal slows the test runs because of it (if I `grep -iv deprecat` of the output, my tests actually run faster) | 14:40 |
| dansmith | yeah, I briefly tried and failed to squelch those myself | 14:40 |
| dansmith | it's quite annoying | 14:41 |
| jokke | and likely hitting the gate hard everywhere too as there it causes disk io, not just terminal | 14:41 |
| abhishekk | I think there is way to avoid deprecated warnings, right? | 14:42 |
| dansmith | glance doesn't generate enough load on the gate to really matter about that, but if other projects are doing the same, then yeah | 14:42 |
| jokke | dansmith: well we do see sporadic timeouts in our functional tests where it's highest ... I'm not sure if it slows the run down enough to timeout, but I would not be against trying to eliminate it if possible | 14:43 |
| dansmith | I doubt it, our functional tests are much smaller than say a nova run with no deprecations :) | 14:44 |
| dansmith | but it's still waste, for sure | 14:44 |
| abhishekk | if it is going to help and reduce time, I think we should do that | 14:44 |
| abhishekk | last 15 minutes, moving ahead | 14:45 |
| abhishekk | #topic Task show API | 14:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Task show API (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:45 | |
| abhishekk | https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/glance/+/763739 (base patch) | 14:45 |
| abhishekk | I think 2 patches in this tree need approval | 14:45 |
| abhishekk | So please have a look | 14:46 |
| abhishekk | #topic Distributed Image Import | 14:46 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Distributed Image Import (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:46 | |
| abhishekk | jokke is working on his approach and by Monday we could have a clear picture about this | 14:46 |
| abhishekk | Just to highlight | 14:47 |
| abhishekk | we have staging cleaning patch ready and in good shape as well | 14:47 |
| jokke | I did bunch of refactoring/cleanup from what's in gerrit at the moment. Chasing one bug atm. breaking loads of unittests exactly the same way. Once I get that nail down, I will push the new PS | 14:48 |
| abhishekk | Cool, thank you for the update | 14:48 |
| abhishekk | Moving ahead, to Open discussion | 14:48 |
| abhishekk | #topic Open discussion | 14:49 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:49 | |
| abhishekk | Most of us will not be around tomorrow | 14:49 |
| abhishekk | But I will keep check on patches and add rechecks if required | 14:49 |
| abhishekk | That's it from me for today | 14:50 |
| dansmith | abhishekk: on your tasks thing, | 14:51 |
| dansmith | the only one I see not approved is the version bump at the top, is there more? | 14:51 |
| tosky | veeery quick question: what is the oldest branch you consider supported? queens? pike? (background: I've noticed it would be useful to remove a legacy job defined in openstack-zuul-jobs, but it needs to disappear from all branches where it's used) | 14:51 |
| abhishekk | dansmith, there is one client patch as well | 14:51 |
| dansmith | not knowing glance's procedures there I've been waiting for someone else to comment, but obviously my tempest test for that depends on it, so I'm okay with it if everyone else is :) | 14:51 |
| abhishekk | let me fetch the link for you | 14:51 |
| dansmith | ah, I'll look at topic | 14:51 |
| abhishekk | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/python-glanceclient/+/776403 | 14:52 |
| dansmith | abhishekk: sorry I totally missed that, I'll hit that after | 14:52 |
| abhishekk | dansmith, sorry, topic is different on this one | 14:52 |
| abhishekk | cool | 14:52 |
| dansmith | abhishekk: I think it'd be good to get a glance elder on the api version bump before I do | 14:53 |
| abhishekk | I liked how I am printing the output for this one :D | 14:53 |
| jokke | tosky: IIRC anything before Ussuri is on extended stable cycle not maintained by us. So If they break and are not being fixed but the group who wanted the extension, we should be retiring them | 14:53 |
| tosky | jokke: EM is before train (train is still fully supported), but I get it, thanks | 14:54 |
| abhishekk | dansmith, ack | 14:54 |
| tosky | cinder already officially retired ocata and pike, just in case | 14:54 |
| jokke | tosky: right, latest-2 not current -2 | 14:54 |
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| tosky | so for such a job, if I wanted to remove all occurrences of the job, should I a) remove that legacy tempest job from such old branches or b) copy the legacy job in-tree if it works and the native job can't be backported? | 14:55 |
| abhishekk | 5 minutes | 14:55 |
| abhishekk | I think option a | 14:56 |
| jokke | tosky: which branches are affected? | 14:56 |
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| tosky | so, it's basically the follow-up of https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/glance_store/+/749235 | 14:56 |
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| tosky | it's definitely not an high-priority task, just a bit of cleanup when there is some time for it | 14:57 |
| jokke | tosky: oh, o it's basically all stable branches? | 14:57 |
| tosky | yep | 14:57 |
| tosky | that job should probably work on stein and rocky, but I'm not sure about earlier releases | 14:57 |
| jokke | I'd say up to train b) before train what ever EM wants to do with them ... if they don't want to run tempest on those branches (in case the v3 job just isn't drop in replacement) we should retire those branches then | 14:58 |
| jokke | it's pointless to keep the branches around if they are not tested | 14:59 |
| tosky | okidoki, thanks | 14:59 |
| tosky | I will try to backport and see what happens | 15:00 |
| abhishekk | Thank you all | 15:00 |
| abhishekk | continue on openstack-glance if required | 15:00 |
| abhishekk | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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