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| yasufum | hi tacker team | 08:00 |
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| takahashi-tsc | hi | 08:01 |
| manpreet | hi | 08:01 |
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| yoshito-ito | hi | 08:01 |
| yasufum | #startmeeting tacker | 08:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 2 08:02:45 2021 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is yasufum. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 08:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tacker' | 08:02 |
| yasufum | We have one topic on etherpad today. | 08:03 |
| yasufum | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/tacker-meeting | 08:03 |
| LiangLu | hi | 08:04 |
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| yasufum | #topic Add blueprint about supporting for placement constraints in Wallaby | 08:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Add blueprint about supporting for placement constraints in Wallaby (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 08:04 | |
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| yasufum | It seems the porposer does not join yet. | 08:08 |
| yasufum | I have found another topic is added. | 08:08 |
| yasufum | Is it OK to move to this one? “args for MgmtDriver” | 08:09 |
| yoshito-ito | It's my topic | 08:09 |
| yasufum | Thanks, go ahead please. | 08:09 |
| yasufum | #topic args for MgmtDriver | 08:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "args for MgmtDriver (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 08:10 | |
| yoshito-ito | I'd like to discuss what args should be used for MgmtDriver. | 08:10 |
| yoshito-ito | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tacker/+/768091 | 08:10 |
| yoshito-ito | We have a new MgmtDriver logic for SOL impelementation. | 08:11 |
| yoshito-ito | In the first patch, the args for MgmtDriver are "vnf_instance" and "additional_params" because it's clearly defined in ETSI NFV-SOL001 v2.6.1. | 08:12 |
| yoshito-ito | However, I found it's not enough to support various use case in MgmtDriver. | 08:13 |
| yoshito-ito | My proposal is to use "vnf_instance", "request (e.g. instantiate_vnf_request)", "grant_request", and "grant". | 08:14 |
| yoshito-ito | I believe these are a full set of objects in ETSI NFV-SOL for VNF Lifecycle Management interface. | 08:15 |
| yoshito-ito | I propose this change because it's better not to change this interface frequently. | 08:16 |
| yoshito-ito | Do you have any comments or poposals for this change? | 08:18 |
| yasufum | Understand. It seems good for me. | 08:18 |
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| yoshito-ito | takahashi-tsc: How about you? | 08:20 |
| yoshito-ito | The point here is what args are best to keep the interface stable. | 08:21 |
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| takahashi-tsc | Basically good. I'll confirm minor point about how to proceed. Do you mean you push a patch which fix management driver code directly? Or share args of all API in advance. | 08:23 |
| takahashi-tsc | s/API/method/ | 08:23 |
| yoshito-ito | I assumed to push a new patch directly. | 08:24 |
| yoshito-ito | But it's also possible to put my proposal in the etherpad before the push. | 08:24 |
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| yasufum | takahashi-tsc: What do you think? Is it enough to discuss on gerrit for his patch? | 08:27 |
| yoshito-ito | Now we have supported MgmtDriver in Instantiate/Scale/Heal/Terminate with "_start" and "_end" for each. All of them will be changed to have the proposed args. | 08:28 |
| takahashi-tsc | Just I want to review concrete args before code update. But if it is not difficult to edit patch, push patch to edit code is OK. | 08:30 |
| yoshito-ito | Thanks. It's not difficult to change in the patch so let me discuss on the gerrit! | 08:31 |
| yasufum | thanks both | 08:31 |
| takahashi-tsc | Sure | 08:31 |
| yasufum | any other comment? | 08:33 |
| yasufum | OK | 08:34 |
| yasufum | Can we go back to the first topic? | 08:35 |
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| yishihara | yes, please. | 08:36 |
| yasufum | #topic Add blueprint about supporting for placement constraints in Wallaby | 08:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Add blueprint about supporting for placement constraints in Wallaby (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 08:36 | |
| yishihara | OK | 08:36 |
| yasufum | Please share your suggestion | 08:37 |
| yishihara | I would like to talk about adding blueprints for placement constraints. | 08:38 |
| yishihara | Grant interface has already been implemented in Tacker. | 08:39 |
| yishihara | But we would like to extend Placement Constraints logic in Wallaby. | 08:39 |
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| yishihara | So, I would like to issue a blueprint about that. | 08:40 |
| yishihara | Please refer to the following URL: | 08:42 |
| yishihara | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tacker/+spec/support-placement-constraints | 08:42 |
| yishihara | Sorry, to make it easier to explain, I posted the blueprints before the IRC discussion. I will revise it if necessary. | 08:42 |
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| yishihara | thank you | 08:45 |
| yasufum | thanks | 08:46 |
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| yasufum | any comment? | 08:49 |
| takahashi-tsc | Not from my side. | 08:50 |
| yasufum | I am not sure the details of the change just now, but I think it is OK to proceed. | 08:51 |
| yasufum | This feature must be helpful for extending usescases of tacker. | 08:54 |
| yasufum | yishihara: I think you do not need to update your blueprint. I would like to review your patch after uploaded. | 08:55 |
| yishihara | sure | 08:56 |
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| yasufum | thanks | 08:58 |
| yasufum | We have done all today’s topics. | 08:59 |
| yasufum | Is there any topic, or asking patch review? | 09:00 |
| yoshito-ito | The coming PTG schedule was announced, right? | 09:00 |
| yasufum | It was announced on ML. April 19-23, 2021 | 09:01 |
| yasufum | Thanks for sharing | 09:02 |
| takahashi-tsc | Registration is open now. https://www.openstack.org/ptg/ | 09:02 |
| yasufum | I would like to setup etherpad for the vPTG later | 09:03 |
| yoshito-ito | thanks! | 09:03 |
| takahashi-tsc | thanks | 09:03 |
| yasufum | And also placeholder for specs for xena | 09:03 |
| yasufum | thanks for joining. bye | 09:04 |
| takahashi-tsc | bye | 09:04 |
| ogaken | BYE | 09:04 |
| yasufum | #endmeeting | 09:04 |
| yishihara | bye | 09:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 09:04 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 2 09:04:50 2021 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:04 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2021/tacker.2021-03-02-08.02.html | 09:04 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2021/tacker.2021-03-02-08.02.txt | 09:04 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2021/tacker.2021-03-02-08.02.log.html | 09:04 |
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| oneswig | #startmeeting scientific-sig | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 2 21:00:21 2021 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oneswig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: scientific-sig)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scientific_sig' | 21:00 |
| martial | Hello Stig | 21:00 |
| oneswig | Hi martial | 21:00 |
| oneswig | #chair martial | 21:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: martial oneswig | 21:00 |
| oneswig | How's things? | 21:00 |
| oneswig | P2302 is that the NIST federation work? | 21:01 |
| martial | not bad, just a little crazy :) | 21:01 |
| oneswig | Hopefully crazy in a good way | 21:02 |
| martial | IEEE actually, the NIST work got published in NIST SP500-332 | 21:02 |
| martial | #link https://www.nist.gov/publications/nist-cloud-federation-reference-architecture | 21:02 |
| janders | g'day oneswig martial o/ | 21:03 |
| janders | how is it going? | 21:03 |
| oneswig | Hi janders, good thanks | 21:03 |
| martial | doing well, thanks janders | 21:03 |
| oneswig | Busy :-) | 21:04 |
| martial | busy good? :) | 21:05 |
| julianp | Hi all. Bookmarked that link martial. Time to learn more about cloud federation. | 21:05 |
| oneswig | I'm only 2 years late on this but I saw a really neat talk on large-scale Ceph administration: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niFNZN5EKvE | 21:05 |
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| oneswig | Well worth a look, it presents a very nice way of visualising the spread of utilisation across nodes. | 21:06 |
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| oneswig | It came up after a group we work with were adding larger drives to an existing Ceph cluster which pushed it to hitting hard limits of PGs/OSD. Sounds quite painful. | 21:11 |
| oneswig | julianp: you were asking a while back about infrastructure. I think we are getting much closer now to having guests on the system. | 21:13 |
| julianp | Eeeexcellent. Thanks for thinking of me oneswig. | 21:13 |
| martial | I wonder if we can ask Rion to have another Minio conversation | 21:13 |
| oneswig | Rion having more fun with MinIO? | 21:14 |
| oneswig | julianp: will be in touch soon I hope! | 21:15 |
| martial | well we are heavy with Ceph on SSDs but if you remember we had a small video chat with Rion about why Minio was useful for deployments | 21:16 |
| julianp | Much obliged oneswig. | 21:16 |
| julianp | martial do you remember why Minio was considered useful? | 21:17 |
| martial | ease of deployment seemed to be a core reason | 21:18 |
| julianp | Gotcha. | 21:18 |
| oneswig | martial: ever compared it to Portworx? | 21:21 |
| martial | I have a very small minio equivalent setup for testing but never tried portworx | 21:22 |
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| martial | any new setup for you Stig? | 21:25 |
| oneswig | I've been banging my head on a real puzzler for the last few days. I have a set of hosts that take ~3s to run "time ssh centos@host hostname" | 21:26 |
| oneswig | It's not DNS before you ask, pretty sure on that now :-) | 21:26 |
| priteau | Something auth-related, PAM? | 21:27 |
| janders | what OS is the ssh connection originating from? | 21:27 |
| oneswig | I'm still uncertain on the root cause. There's some smoking guns relating to SELinux blocking access to /etc/ld.so.cache that look suspicious. | 21:27 |
| oneswig | CentOS 8.3 | 21:27 |
| oneswig | Hi priteau :-) auth is ssh keys - although there's plenty of pam modules involved in that login. | 21:28 |
| janders | does 'setenforce 0' make any difference? | 21:28 |
| janders | let me see what my NVMe cleaning lab is on | 21:28 |
| oneswig | janders: disabling selinux and rebooting the node is not apparently helping... | 21:28 |
| oneswig | It's bizarre because I have other nodes in the same environment for which the same test takes a more sensible 0.2s | 21:29 |
| janders | oneswig disabling SEL both client and server side? | 21:29 |
| martial | same hardware/kernel version? | 21:29 |
| janders | oneswig melding servers would come in handy :) | 21:29 |
| oneswig | Different hardware, same kernel | 21:29 |
| oneswig | melding? | 21:29 |
| oneswig | janders: making the client == the server, ie ssh localhost, has the same delay | 21:30 |
| martial | ohhhh I have had this happen, it was a network device driver for me | 21:30 |
| julianp | Does `ssh -vvvv` show you where it gets stuck? | 21:31 |
| priteau | ssh localhost shouldn't be slowed down by a NIC issue though | 21:31 |
| janders | oneswig does the problem seem to stick to either the piece of hardware in question being a client or a server? | 21:31 |
| janders | priteau good point | 21:31 |
| martial | pierre, agreeing with you but localhost also was slow | 21:32 |
| oneswig | julianp: a bit. The ssh debug output isn't timestamped, alas. There was a message, I'll see if I can dig it out. | 21:32 |
| julianp | I bet it was the butler in the library with a candlestick. | 21:32 |
| martial | now I can not remember if there was something else related to it | 21:32 |
| oneswig | I've been running strace on client and server to try to spot something, that's my current effort. | 21:34 |
| oneswig | Interesting though! | 21:34 |
| oneswig | brb | 21:34 |
| priteau | Have you tried changing various other settings in sshd_config? GSSAPI maybe? | 21:34 |
| martial | I was checking in our slack to see if we documented this one | 21:36 |
| oneswig | I removed the GSSAPI auth method and that bought some time, a fraction of a second | 21:36 |
| martial | no luck | 21:36 |
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| martial | silly question because that was part of our checklist: IPv6 disabled? | 21:38 |
| oneswig | uninstalling cockpit also gained me about 0.1s. Small things. | 21:38 |
| oneswig | IPV6 I haven't tried - worth a shot! | 21:38 |
| priteau | MTU? (although I've seen it cause hangs, not slowdowns) | 21:39 |
| priteau | (and it would probably not affect ssh localhost) | 21:40 |
| oneswig | martial: just tried it, no joy alas | 21:41 |
| martial | files listed first in your nsswitch.conf? so it uses /etc/hosts ? | 21:41 |
| janders | oneswig a bit brute-force, but maybe worthwhile copying /etc of a "good" and a "bad" machine and doing a recursive diff? | 21:41 |
| oneswig | priteau: I don't think it's MTU. | 21:42 |
| martial | similar idea as above, you could try "UseDNS no" in your sshd_config | 21:42 |
| janders | oneswig is console login normal (making sure it's ssh only)? | 21:43 |
| oneswig | If I run "ssh-keygen" on a dodgy node, there's a long delay before it prompts me for the filename. That might be connected | 21:43 |
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| oneswig | martial: UseDNS no is set - been bitten by that one before :-) | 21:43 |
| martial | okay not DNS, not IPv6 (use -4 :) ) | 21:44 |
| julianp | As for the timestamps not being in the ssh output, you can add it using `ts` found in `moreutils` TIL: ssh -vvvv some-host hostname 2>&1 | ts | 21:44 |
| oneswig | janders: I'd need to get onto the BMC and it's one of those HPE boxes where you have to buy a license to use the console after the node boots... | 21:44 |
| oneswig | julianp: that is new to me, neat trick! | 21:45 |
| priteau | The slow ssh-keygen is very odd, I don't think it should do any I/O | 21:46 |
| priteau | Network I/O I mean | 21:46 |
| priteau | Something related to OpenSSL then? | 21:46 |
| janders | oneswig that licensing model is ridiculous! | 21:46 |
| priteau | oneswig: what does "cat /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail" say? | 21:46 |
| julianp | Oh that's a good idea priteau. We've run into that. | 21:47 |
| oneswig | entropy_avail = 3443 - is that enough? | 21:47 |
| priteau | Should be | 21:47 |
| janders | oneswig the two machines I'm currently working on have ~3400 and ~3800 | 21:48 |
| janders | priteau nice trick! | 21:48 |
| oneswig | Doesn't look like I can get moreutils on CentOS - perhaps it's in EPEL? | 21:48 |
| julianp | I believe you can replicate the moreutils ts functionality using some awk. | 21:49 |
| oneswig | julianp: now we are talking :-) | 21:49 |
| julianp | xD | 21:49 |
| julianp | ssh -vvvv -C condo hostname 2>&1 | awk '{ print strftime(),$0 }' | 21:52 |
| oneswig | I'm clearly going to have to follow up to the SIG on this if I ever figure it out... | 21:52 |
| julianp | Yes please! My curiosity is piqued. | 21:52 |
| oneswig | Anything can be curious, until you *have* to solve it | 21:53 |
| oneswig | for AOB: couple of small points | 21:54 |
| martial | nice trick julian | 21:54 |
| oneswig | PTG (virtual) dates were announced - 19-23 April - https://www.openstack.org/ptg/ | 21:55 |
| oneswig | Next week (Wednesday 1100 UTC) I'm hoping to have a session on Jupyterhub and OpenStack. I think there's a good deal to cover on how to provide user-friendly integrations | 21:56 |
| julianp | Ooh. I'm interested in that. | 21:57 |
| oneswig | julianp: hopefully not too early a start for you? | 21:57 |
| janders | oneswig from my side, I completed the initial work on support for NVMe-native disk cleaning in Ironic | 21:57 |
| janders | if you are interested, I can give a preso on that in a couple weeks | 21:58 |
| oneswig | janders: That would be great, I'd love to see it. | 21:58 |
| janders | initial = works best on an all-NVMe nodes (it doesn't make much of a difference in hybrid HDD-NVMe configs or on SSDs) | 21:58 |
| oneswig | Random but related question: Do you know, with software RAID in Ironic, can I label the RAID block devices? They come up in an arbitrary order. | 21:58 |
| janders | oneswig not sure. Might be worth asking on #openstack-ironic | 21:59 |
| oneswig | janders: would be good to hear more. | 21:59 |
| oneswig | thanks janders, will do | 21:59 |
| oneswig | OK, nearly time - final comments? | 21:59 |
| oneswig | #endmeeting | 22:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 2 22:00:17 2021 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2021/scientific_sig.2021-03-02-21.00.html | 22:00 |
| oneswig | thanks all! | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2021/scientific_sig.2021-03-02-21.00.txt | 22:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2021/scientific_sig.2021-03-02-21.00.log.html | 22:00 |
| janders | thank you all! | 22:00 |
| martial | oneswig: I wonder if you want to have this session with a video feed and recorded (jupyther) | 22:01 |
| oneswig | martial: it's an option. Does the Foundation provide something for that? | 22:01 |
| martial | maybe for the PTG, but if you are willing to do Google Meet I can record it | 22:02 |
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| martial | following up on slack | 22:03 |
| julianp | Registered for PTG. Till next time! | 22:04 |
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