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carlotronics_ | #startmeeting neutron_drivers | 13:47 |
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openstack | Meeting started Fri Mar 12 13:47:24 2021 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is carlotronics_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:47 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:47 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_drivers)" | 13:47 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers' | 13:47 |
carlotronics_ | #endmeeting | 13:48 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Fri Mar 12 13:48:43 2021 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:48 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2021/neutron_drivers.2021-03-12-13.47.html | 13:48 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2021/neutron_drivers.2021-03-12-13.47.txt | 13:48 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2021/neutron_drivers.2021-03-12-13.47.log.html | 13:48 |
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slaweq | #startmeeting neutron_drivers | 14:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Fri Mar 12 14:01:07 2021 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is slaweq. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers' | 14:01 |
slaweq | hi | 14:01 |
mlavalle | o/ | 14:01 |
amotoki | hi | 14:01 |
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haleyb | hi | 14:02 |
slaweq | lets wait few more minutes for ralonsoh, haleyb, njohnston and yamamoto | 14:02 |
ralonsoh | hi sorry | 14:02 |
carlotronics_ | hi | 14:02 |
* haleyb must be invisible :) | 14:02 | |
slaweq | haleyb: I see You, hi | 14:02 |
slaweq | I just hit enter almost in same time when You said hi :) | 14:03 |
slaweq | nate and yamamoto don't seems to be available so I think we can start | 14:03 |
slaweq | #topic RFEs | 14:03 |
*** openstack changes topic to "RFEs (Meeting topic: neutron_drivers)" | 14:03 | |
slaweq | we have 2 rfes to discuss today | 14:04 |
slaweq | first one can be https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1918424 | 14:04 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1918424 in neutron "[RFE] RFC 2317 support in Neutron with designate provider" [Wishlist,New] | 14:04 |
slaweq | as carlotronics_ is here | 14:04 |
slaweq | both of them aren't really triaged and maybe we will simply have more questions to ask therte | 14:05 |
slaweq | *there | 14:05 |
slaweq | but I wasn't able to triage it on my own as I'm not expert on dns stuff | 14:05 |
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slaweq | so sorry, if RFEs aren't really ready but I was hoping to triage them together maybe | 14:05 |
slaweq | :) | 14:05 |
mlavalle | not a problem | 14:06 |
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ralonsoh | can we have any class with dns_domain extension? just asking, I really need to check the code | 14:10 |
ralonsoh | clash* | 14:10 |
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mlavalle | I don't think we would | 14:11 |
mlavalle | I think he poses a valid use case. I have two questions, though: | 14:12 |
slaweq | this would probably be new dns extension, maybe something what would even extend existing one | 14:12 |
mlavalle | 1) We should preserve current behaviour. In other words, deployers using dns integration as it is today shouldn't be required to do any additional configuration | 14:13 |
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mlavalle | 2) How common is this use case? | 14:13 |
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amotoki | I have an experience with this use case (in non-OpenStack deploymets). | 14:14 |
amotoki | In my understanding, It is needed when an operator would like to delegate address management to a use AND they also would like to delegate PTR management to a user. | 14:14 |
amotoki | If an operator manages /24 PTR (for example) it is not needed. | 14:15 |
carlotronics_ | regarding 1), the proposals would not introduce any change in current configuration, only the ability to precise the zone name | 14:15 |
mlavalle | well, he states that PTR zone creation should be controlled by admins | 14:15 |
risson | creation of those zones by an admin doesn't mean you can't delegate creation of records in them by users | 14:16 |
mlavalle | agree | 14:16 |
amotoki | risson: right. it is my understanding | 14:16 |
mlavalle | risson: agree | 14:17 |
risson | for the use case, our provider only delegates us a /25, so we currently need to set the PTR records manually | 14:17 |
mlavalle | and that's a problem. I can see that | 14:18 |
Mareo | Afaik the Wikimedia fondation used to maintain a set of scripts to handle ptr record creation in a similar situation | 14:18 |
Mareo | (on their OpenStack clusters) | 14:19 |
mlavalle | Mareo: would it be a better dns / neutron integration if we implemented this proposal or something based on it? | 14:22 |
slaweq | one question, in rfe You mentioned something like "When absent, the old behavior of `ipv4_ptr_zone_prefix_size` or `ipv6_ptr_zone_prefix_size` is kept." | 14:24 |
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mlavalle | carlotronics_: do you have a sense of what might be the answer to question 2. Given Mareo 's comment, it may be somewhat common | 14:24 |
slaweq | shouldn't we maybe consider deprecation of those old options in the future? | 14:24 |
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slaweq | if we will implement the new one | 14:24 |
slaweq | ? | 14:24 |
Mareo | the old mecanism shoult not be deprecated imo, because it allow a form of implicit configuration. The new one is introduced to handle a specific use-case and it is more likelly to be set by IP Pool rather than globally on the cluster | 14:25 |
slaweq | k, got it | 14:26 |
slaweq | thx | 14:26 |
carlotronics_ | slaweq: I think they are complementary | 14:26 |
mlavalle | yeah, that was my pioint in my comment number 1 above | 14:26 |
amotoki | i have another question: if we support this proposal, do we need some change in designate side or does designate already support this? | 14:27 |
slaweq | amotoki: yesterday I asked johnsom to take a look at it from the designate PoV | 14:27 |
mlavalle | amotoki: good question. I was going to ask it earlier and got derailed | 14:27 |
carlotronics_ | no change absolutely needed, but one that would help: adding '/' in dns zone regex | 14:27 |
slaweq | I hope he will help us with it :) | 14:27 |
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amotoki | carlotronics_: nice. it would be nice to mention it in the RFE. | 14:28 |
mlavalle | when I originally implemented dns integration, I always kep the Designate team involved. In fact, I attended their weekly meeting | 14:28 |
Mareo | yes the rfc suggest the use of '/' in the zone names, and the RE_ZONENAME variable in designate restrict the character set that can be used | 14:28 |
Mareo | we plan to submit a proposal to designate if this one is accepted | 14:28 |
Mareo | It already have been requested, but it didn't go anywhere (no formal refusal, but not approval neither) | 14:29 |
mlavalle | I see this proposal as a natural evolution of dns integration as it gets used in real situations. I say +1 to move ahead to a spec | 14:30 |
ralonsoh | +1 to this RFE | 14:31 |
slaweq | so, as ralonsoh already started :) are we ready to vote for this rfe, or do we want some more details to ask and get back to it next week maybe? | 14:32 |
slaweq | or maybe You have more questions now | 14:32 |
mlavalle | I already voted ^^^ | 14:32 |
slaweq | true mlavalle :) | 14:32 |
slaweq | so +1 from me too | 14:33 |
slaweq | amotoki, haleyb | 14:33 |
Mareo | if this was not perfectly clear already, carlotronics_ is willing to submit a patch for this proposal | 14:33 |
carlotronics_ | one precision, I am willing to code this proposition | 14:33 |
carlotronics_ | thanks Mareo | 14:33 |
amotoki | It sounds reaosnable to me. only question is whether we wait feedbacks from designate side like johnsom. | 14:33 |
slaweq | that is great, thx carlotronics_ :) | 14:33 |
haleyb | slaweq: i was going to mention making sure johnsom is aware as well, but fine with rfe | 14:34 |
slaweq | so, lets assume we are ok with it but I will not mark it as approved until we will have some feedback from johnsom | 14:34 |
slaweq | and if he will be ok, I will mark it as approved | 14:34 |
slaweq | is that ok for You? | 14:34 |
amotoki | +1 | 14:35 |
mlavalle | +1 | 14:35 |
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Mareo | (to add a little bit of context, carlotronics_ is a student I supervize and he chose this RFE as a semester assignement, freely I swear!) | 14:35 |
mlavalle | carlotronics_: where are you going to school? What degree are your working towards? | 14:36 |
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slaweq | nice | 14:36 |
amotoki | Mareo: carlotronics_: really nice. | 14:36 |
slaweq | I like school with such semester tasks :) | 14:36 |
slaweq | I wish I had similar when I was at school | 14:36 |
carlotronics_ | mlavalle: EPITA, which is an engineering school in France | 14:37 |
mlavalle | carlotronics_: cool. We'll try to help you. Are there any timing constraints as far as finishing the project from the school point of view? | 14:37 |
Mareo | ideally it should be over before the end of june, but I can grade an incomplete project, so no pressure | 14:38 |
carlotronics_ | I am quite free on timing; I should have until June to finish it, which should be ok | 14:38 |
mlavalle | Mareo, carlotronics_: This is really cool. Thanks for the proposal | 14:39 |
slaweq | carlotronics_: that should be totally fine :) | 14:39 |
slaweq | ok, I think we can move on to the second RFE now | 14:40 |
slaweq | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1904559 | 14:40 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1904559 in neutron "Designate driver: allow_reverse_dns_lookup doesn't works if dns_domain zone wasn't created" [Wishlist,New] | 14:40 |
slaweq | also related to the PTR records and designate integration | 14:40 |
mlavalle | this one proposes to implement exactly what carlotronics_ and Mareo warned us against in their RFE | 14:42 |
mlavalle | in terms of security considerations | 14:43 |
ralonsoh | exactly and Jens' comment c#4 makes sense | 14:43 |
slaweq | true | 14:43 |
mlavalle | in fact, when I originally implemented dns integration I was loudly reminded by mugsie not to do it | 14:43 |
amotoki | mlavalle: but the RFE does not mention anything about classless PTR thing. I am not sure both are totally same. | 14:44 |
mlavalle | amotoki: I'm not saying they are the same | 14:44 |
amotoki | mlavalle: ah. it is just one case. | 14:44 |
mlavalle | I was just pointing to the security warning against letting user create ptr zones | 14:44 |
amotoki | got it | 14:45 |
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mlavalle | imo, the next step is to have johnsonm look at it and see what he thinks. It is really something the DNS experts don't want us to do | 14:46 |
mlavalle | it's not that we cannot do it | 14:46 |
mlavalle | in fact, at some point during the original implementation, I was doing it | 14:46 |
mugsie | fwiw, designate already allows this weith the reverse DNS api | 14:46 |
mugsie | with* | 14:47 |
mugsie | so I don't think there would be a huge issue with doing it automatically | 14:47 |
mugsie | (there is an API to set the PTR for any floating IP a project owns, without requiring that DNS Zone be hosted in Designate at all) | 14:48 |
mlavalle | mugsie: so why didn't we do it originally? | 14:48 |
mugsie | I am not sure - I think there was some timing issues? | 14:48 |
mugsie | https://docs.openstack.org/api-ref/dns/?expanded=set-floatingip-s-ptr-record-detail,list-floatingip-s-ptr-record-detail#floatingips is the API | 14:49 |
mlavalle | maybe this specific api didn't exist at the time | 14:49 |
mugsie | yeah, I think we were planning this when you were writing the integration, and we didn't want to hold up the integration for another cycle | 14:50 |
mlavalle | mugsie: thanks for jumping in ! | 14:50 |
mugsie | np | 14:50 |
mlavalle | I propose having johnosonm take a look at it and go from there | 14:51 |
slaweq | ok, I can ask johnsom to take a look at it too | 14:51 |
slaweq | and we can get back to this next week | 14:52 |
slaweq | is that ok for all of You? | 14:52 |
mlavalle | +1 | 14:52 |
amotoki | sounds good | 14:52 |
ralonsoh | ok | 14:52 |
slaweq | thx | 14:53 |
amotoki | my question was already covered by the above discussion and it was more than what I expected :) | 14:53 |
slaweq | I have one more heads up for You | 14:53 |
slaweq | lbragstad recently found bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1918506 in Neutron | 14:54 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1918506 in neutron "Neutron doesn't honor system-scope" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Slawek Kaplonski (slaweq) | 14:54 |
slaweq | I proposed fix for it https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1918506 | 14:54 |
slaweq | but it is in neutron-lib and needs to bumps few requirements | 14:54 |
slaweq | we are already after final release of the libs for Wallaby | 14:54 |
slaweq | but IMHO would be good to get this one in still | 14:54 |
ralonsoh | yes but this is a bug in W | 14:55 |
ralonsoh | we need to get it in this cycle | 14:55 |
mlavalle | yeah, otherwise we don't meet the community gosal | 14:55 |
mlavalle | goal | 14:55 |
slaweq | so I wanted to ask all of You to check that ASAP so we can eventualy as for exception | 14:55 |
ralonsoh | yes, should be | 14:55 |
slaweq | mlavalle: it's not community goal strictly but yes, many projects are implementing that this cycle | 14:55 |
amotoki | presicely speaking, secure RBAC is not the community gaol though :p | 14:55 |
ralonsoh | it is not? | 14:56 |
slaweq | nope | 14:56 |
ralonsoh | ok, thanks! | 14:56 |
slaweq | it is very important rfe for Red Hat for next OSP version :) | 14:56 |
mlavalle | still, we want to finish it, don't we? | 14:56 |
slaweq | mlavalle: yes | 14:56 |
slaweq | we did a lot of work already | 14:56 |
amotoki | even if we have a new release of neutron-lib, it just only affects neutron and other projects still can use the current release of neutron-lib. | 14:56 |
slaweq | and TBH requirements bumps are just to make them equal with neutron | 14:56 |
amotoki | so the impact of neutron-lib bump would be smaller. | 14:57 |
ralonsoh | agree | 14:57 |
slaweq | so in fact when neutron-lib is installed with neutron we already use those new versions | 14:57 |
slaweq | anyway, just a heads up and ask for quick review :) | 14:57 |
slaweq | it has -1 from zuul now but last PS already passed most of the jobs (lower-constraints for example) | 14:58 |
slaweq | so seems to be good now :) | 14:58 |
slaweq | ok, we are almost on top of the hour | 14:58 |
slaweq | thx for attending the meeting | 14:58 |
ralonsoh | have a nice weekend | 14:58 |
slaweq | and have a great weekend :) | 14:58 |
amotoki | you too all. thanks! | 14:58 |
slaweq | o/ | 14:58 |
slaweq | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Fri Mar 12 14:59:00 2021 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2021/neutron_drivers.2021-03-12-14.01.html | 14:59 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2021/neutron_drivers.2021-03-12-14.01.txt | 14:59 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2021/neutron_drivers.2021-03-12-14.01.log.html | 14:59 |
mlavalle | o/ | 14:59 |
Mareo | o/ | 14:59 |
carlotronics_ | o/ | 14:59 |
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mlavalle | carlotronics_, Mareo: is this your institution: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89cole_pour_l'informatique_et_les_techniques_avanc%C3%A9es | 15:02 |
Mareo | Yes, it is! | 15:02 |
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Mareo | carlotronics_ is a third year student (the curiculum is five years long), he is part of small team of students focusing on Ops with me (I am the school sysadmin) | 15:04 |
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mlavalle | Mareo, carlotronics_: Grande École... I'm impressed :-) | 15:10 |
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Mareo | You shouldn't be, this is not one of the "elitist" ones, so we have pretty regular students (but a fair share is really involved in what they do, such as risson or carlotronics) | 15:34 |
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