Thursday, 2021-05-06

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abhishekk#startmeeting glance14:00
openstackMeeting started Thu May  6 14:00:14 2021 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is abhishekk. Information about MeetBot at
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abhishekk#topic roll call14:00
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abhishekklets wait couple of minutes for others14:01
abhishekkI guess we have majority now, dansmith and sean can join us any time now14:02
abhishekklets start14:02
dansmithsorry was waiting in the wrong channel14:02
abhishekkno worries14:02
abhishekk#topic Updates14:02
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abhishekkI have sent the Xena PTG summary on openstack-discuss ML and same is available on the blog as well14:03
abhishekkI was late this time14:03
abhishekkSummary includes recap of what we discussed during PTG and the links to recordings as well14:04
abhishekkLets move to next topic14:04
abhishekk#topic release/periodic jobs update14:04
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abhishekkMilestone 1 is 3 weeks away14:04
abhishekkjokke, I guess by next week we should start working on Cache-APi as we decided during the PTG14:05
abhishekkperiodic jobs all green so far14:05
* Steap thinks he has an old spec Cache API under review14:05
rosmaitaalso, you pinged me yesterday about looking at something (which i did not do yet) ... do you remember what you wanted me to look at?14:05
jokkeabhishekk: yeah, lets get it done. I'll try to spend few days looking through rajivmucheli's swift bugs, but I'm on it after14:06
abhishekkit was about the quota specs14:06
abhishekkjokke, cool, thank you14:06
abhishekkrosmaita, dansmith just pushed up the new revision14:06
abhishekkLets move forward14:06
abhishekk#topic Multi-format images14:07
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abhishekkdansmith, was not present during this discussion14:07
abhishekkto go ahead with it we need to understand the nova side regression if we decided to implement the same14:07
abhishekkdansmith, if possible please let me know your convenient time before or after M1 release so that we can discuss this14:08
dansmithI have done no thinking about this since the last time we talked, FWIW14:08
jokkeyeah, so dansmith my biggest concern here is is it even possible to get Nova consuming "same" image in mltiple formats. Say in one AZ you have ceph in use and the image is in raw an you want to migrate the instance to another where it would be in qcow. Is that ever even doable?14:08
dansmithbut throw me something that fits on my calendar and I'm sure it'll be fine14:09
dansmithjokke: generally no migration across AZs unless you're an admin and can force it to break the rules14:09
abhishekkack, we will decide this offline and let you know14:09
jokkeBased on the PTG discussions Cinder is not a problem asthey don't use image as base anywhere and migrte just delta, but not sure how Nova handles for example migrtions and snapshots on that regard14:10
abhishekk#action abhishekk, jokke to decide date for multi-format discussion14:10
dansmithjokke: and definitely no *live* migration from one ceph-having compute to a non-ceph one.. cold migration maybe, but that's going to be a snap/reupload and not a rebase I think14:10
jokkedansmith: so at that point the snap would be flattened and no delta moved around there either?14:11
dansmitha snapshot in ceph will be a CoW, but I think if we're moving from one mechanism to the other (in the cases where that even works) we would flatten and upload to whatever that backend is,14:12
dansmithbut tbh, I don't know if that even works14:12
dansmiththere's also shelve/unshelve which does an *actual* snapshot in glance and re-download which is very sanitizing14:12
abhishekkjokke, could you please write down these points somewhere, so that we can investigate those14:12
dansmithbut yeah, I'd have to research all the horrific nova code around this to even answer questions14:12
jokkeyeah, I don't think currently at least but I was more concerned about general assumptionsin nova side and if it's even viable to lok at. Sounds like there's no hard requirements anyways in that regard.14:13
abhishekkI guess as decided we should have a separate discussion over this sometime around M1 release14:14
abhishekkdansmith, I will let you know 2-3 slots from which we could finalize the one14:14
abhishekkmoving ahead14:15
abhishekk#topic Quotas in glance14:15
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jokkemhm ... I think it makes sense to convene again and lay down the basic concept how we would parent-child track those images and see what usecases they would initially solve and any immediate red fags14:15
abhishekkjokke, ++14:15
abhishekkSo as promised in PTG dansmith has put a design/spec for implementing quota in glance14:16
abhishekkthe plus side of this is we can turn it off if we don't want to use it14:16
abhishekkalso there are no database related changes as we are using keystone limits for the same14:17
dansmithalso code and tests showing how and that it works:
abhishekkOn the other hand we need to harden the documentation around it so that everyone knows how to use/configure the same14:17
dansmithyep, and I'm happy to do that once we're settled on this14:17
abhishekkI would like to other core reviewers to have a look at this proposal14:18
abhishekkIf we agree and get this done in early in the cycle then we have lots of time to restructure our policies14:18
abhishekkSo please have a look at the spec and give your suggestions at the earliest14:18
dansmithyes, especially since it's mostly done (needs more tests), I'd love to get this merged and out of the way so we can focus on the policy stuff14:19
dansmithhaving two large series in flight at the same time will be a challenge14:19
abhishekkI am expecting this will be moving till our next meeting14:19
abhishekkmoving ahead14:20
abhishekk#topic Bugs discussion in next meeting14:20
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abhishekkSo as discussed in the meeting we will start discussing our bug backlogs from next meeting14:20
abhishekkI will be coordinating with Steap for the same14:20
abhishekkI can see Steap has added some more bugs to our tracker, thank you Steap14:21
abhishekkalso jokke is working on analyzing some swift related issues, so we have already started on this14:21
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abhishekkand hopefully this cycle we will be able to reduce our bug backlog considerably14:22
abhishekkanything here to add, Steap ??14:22
Steapnah, let's close a lot of bugs :)14:23
abhishekk#topic Open discussion14:23
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abhishekkI don't have anything today14:23
dansmithI do,14:23
abhishekkstage is yours14:23
dansmithI've got a set of stuff up for the policy refactor:
dansmithlast patch in the series hits image update14:24
dansmithmost of it is refactoring tests so they actually work with the default policy :/14:24
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dansmithdefinitely need some eyes from more experienced people on those refactors, especially property protections, to make sure they're legit14:24
abhishekkI didn't got much time to have a look at it, but I will try to spend some time early next week14:25
dansmiththere are several refactors at the bottom of those that should be merge-able now, by the way14:25
dansmithso it would be great to get those landed so the series is smaller if possible14:25
abhishekkjokke, rosmaita please have a look if you have some free time14:25
dansmiththe ones without WIP in the front should be obvious14:25
jokkeis that current default policies or what they are going to be?14:25
dansmiththe functional tests all run with all policies set to ""14:26
jokkeAnd do we just feed some testing blanket policy atm?14:26
jokkeyeah, I thought that's the case14:26
dansmiththese refactors make it so that in the last patch I can set the test policy to what our actual default is at runtime14:26
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abhishekkOk, anything else14:28
abhishekkWould like to wrap this early so we can utilize this time in reviewing the spec14:29
abhishekkSo our priorities for this week would be;14:30
abhishekk1. Review Quotas specs14:30
abhishekk2. Have a look at policy refcator patches.14:30
abhishekkgreat, thank you all for joining14:30
abhishekkHave a great weekend ahead14:30
jokkethanks, good to have you back abhishekk14:30
abhishekkthank you :D14:30
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gagehugo#startmeeting security15:00
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gagehugo#link agenda15:01
gagehugo#topic Topics from the PTG15:05
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gagehugoWe had some good discussions at the PTG15:05
gagehugo#link ptg agenda15:06
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gagehugoMainly around updating the security wiki, updating our meeting schedule, barbican as a base service, starting a mailing list update about open issues after each meeting, trying to recruit more for the security sig15:08
gagehugoDid anyone have anything they wanted to follow up on regarding those topics?15:09
fungii haven't put together a new open vulnerability report reminder list yet15:09
fungithere was a brief tangential discussion in this week's image encryption pop-up team meeting about barbican as a base service15:11
fungimainly that we're looking for supporting use cases15:12
gagehugoI saw, thanks for the ping15:12
gagehugoFor the reminder list, are we wanting to use the list from launchpad?15:12
fungiyeah, i was basically just going to send something like a did a couple months ago15:13
fungi#link public reports of suspected vulnerabilities15:13
fungithankfully the list is fairly short currently15:14
fungibut we'll see if we can make it even shorter15:14
gagehugoIf I can get another keystone core to review a ps, that list should lose another one too lol15:17
gagehugoWould be nice to try to drum up support for the security sig as well15:19
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fungiyeah, we could maybe get the foundation's social media marketing folks to promote something if we were to decide what specific message we wanted to get out15:21
gagehugoI can work on a snippet for that15:22
gagehugoand we can discuss in openstack-security in the meantime15:22
gagehugofungi redrobot: anything else for this meeting? That was all I had15:24
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funginah, and sorry if i'm slow to respond, this is one of three meetings i'm in at the moment15:25
gagehugomultitasking is the name of the game15:26
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gagehugothanks everyone, have a good rest of the week!15:26
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fungithanks gagehugo!15:27
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