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| abhishekk | #startmeeting glance | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 20 14:00:12 2021 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is abhishekk. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:00 |
| jokke | o/ | 14:00 |
| abhishekk | #topic roll call | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:00 | |
| dansmith | o/ | 14:00 |
| abhishekk | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 14:00 |
| abhishekk | #chair rosmaita | 14:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: abhishekk rosmaita | 14:00 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 14:00 |
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| Steap | o/ | 14:00 |
| abhishekk | Just FYI, no power at my end since morning and laptop battery is only 10% now | 14:01 |
| abhishekk | Lets start | 14:01 |
| jokke | abhishekk: oof, lets be quick then | 14:01 |
| abhishekk | #topic release/periodic jobs update | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "release/periodic jobs update (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:01 | |
| abhishekk | yep | 14:01 |
| abhishekk | M1 is next week | 14:01 |
| abhishekk | we need to be quick on some specs | 14:01 |
| abhishekk | 1. unified quota | 14:02 |
| abhishekk | 2. Cache API | 14:02 |
| abhishekk | Other than that we don't have much in hand for M1 | 14:02 |
| dansmith | well, | 14:02 |
| dansmith | there needs to be a spec for the policy stuff at some point, | 14:02 |
| abhishekk | Periodic jobs all green for this week | 14:02 |
| dansmith | but there has been basically no feedback on the poc stuff | 14:02 |
| abhishekk | Yes, I know, I have added it as a separate point for discussion | 14:03 |
| dansmith | okay | 14:03 |
| rosmaita | when is the spec freeze? | 14:03 |
| abhishekk | M2 | 14:03 |
| rosmaita | ok | 14:03 |
| abhishekk | Moving ahead | 14:03 |
| abhishekk | #topic Implement glance-unified-quotas | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Implement glance-unified-quotas (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:04 | |
| abhishekk | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/glance-specs/+/788037 | 14:04 |
| rosmaita | i am way behind on reviews, sorry about that | 14:04 |
| abhishekk | jokke, raised some concerns, I guess we need to come to an agreement in this week | 14:04 |
| rosmaita | i will commit to reviewing and commenting today | 14:05 |
| abhishekk | thank you | 14:05 |
| rosmaita | well, dont' thank me yet | 14:05 |
| abhishekk | I still think, this will be better option to have than our existing quota | 14:05 |
| jokke | I raised few specifics inline to the spec and few general concerns on the review level | 14:06 |
| rosmaita | abhishekk: +++++++++++ | 14:06 |
| abhishekk | yep | 14:06 |
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| jokke | As this will be changing our API behaviour, it will be very difficult to justify refactoring it in the future, so I'd like a bit of brainstorming what we could do better to avoid digging ourselves in the hole | 14:07 |
| abhishekk | I saw some inline answers/justifications from dansmith as well, so hopefully those will help to reduce your concerns | 14:07 |
| dansmith | this does not change our api behavior, as noted in the spec, | 14:07 |
| jokke | if the answer is there is nothing else we can do, then I guess it's better than nothing, but lets remember what ever we do, we're stuck with it | 14:07 |
| dansmith | because we can get over limit for all these calls already due to the global limits | 14:07 |
| abhishekk | I am also not sure how it will change API behavior? | 14:07 |
| dansmith | and also as noted, we can further refine this, we are not "stuck" | 14:08 |
| jokke | dansmith: so are you saying there is no new behaviour tested and enforced by tempest due to this work that is assumed to behave as implemented for the foreseeable future? | 14:08 |
| dansmith | jokke: I'm saying what the user experiences is the same, since they could be returned an over limit code for any of these APIs already if the operator has set the global limits, | 14:09 |
| dansmith | and the way out of those are the same (delete some stuff) | 14:09 |
| dansmith | I haven't seen an API concern raised by you on the spec, so if you have one, please do it there so we can continue with abhishekk's battery | 14:09 |
| * abhishekk yep, only 8% now | 14:10 | |
| abhishekk | So, continue this discussion on the spec | 14:10 |
| abhishekk | moving to next and important topic | 14:10 |
| jokke | yeah, move on we can take this out of band | 14:10 |
| abhishekk | #topic Policy refactoring (Need reviews ASAP) | 14:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Policy refactoring (Need reviews ASAP) (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:11 | |
| abhishekk | https://review.opendev.org/q/topic:%22policy-poc%22+(status:open%20OR%20status:merged) | 14:11 |
| dansmith | there are a few refactors in the front of that set, | 14:11 |
| dansmith | which are +2 by abhishekk, so some quick +Ws to get that set down to a smaller size would be great | 14:11 |
| abhishekk | As promised dansmith has modified the modify_image policy injection | 14:11 |
| abhishekk | those are sitting idle since 2 weeks now | 14:12 |
| dansmith | but the last one is the chunky one we need to look at in terms of approach, and there are questions in some of the test changes which I think are things that were wrong before | 14:12 |
| abhishekk | I guess we need some eyes there so that we can start with next step which is spec for this stuff | 14:12 |
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| abhishekk | I am really struggling to find why some property protection tests checking for conflict instead of forbidden | 14:13 |
| dansmith | yeah, it's been weeks since I was looking at that (as noted) but I too think it was probably tests confirming actual behavior, not desired | 14:14 |
| abhishekk | So either one glance from rosmaita or jokke will be more helpful there | 14:14 |
| jokke | ack | 14:14 |
| rosmaita | ok | 14:14 |
| abhishekk | So, I would suggest we need to spend some time around this as this is most priority item for us in this cycle | 14:14 |
| rosmaita | this is https://review.opendev.org/q/topic:%22policy-poc%22+(status:open%20OR%20status:merged) ? | 14:15 |
| abhishekk | as this will circle around secure RBAC stuff | 14:15 |
| abhishekk | rosmaita, yes | 14:15 |
| rosmaita | ok, sorry to be obtuse | 14:15 |
| dansmith | rosmaita: I think you missed those convos, but this is a PoC for refactoring policy enforcement up to the api layer where we can make proper decisions based on the request | 14:15 |
| rosmaita | \o/ | 14:16 |
| dansmith | rosmaita: like what has happened in other projects lately, and is required for us to be able to do things like system scope and actual flexible policies | 14:16 |
| rosmaita | you are preaching to the choir | 14:16 |
| abhishekk | ++ | 14:16 |
| dansmith | it will be a giant refactor, so we decided to PoC image update as the gnarly-est thing first | 14:16 |
| rosmaita | thanks for the context | 14:16 |
| dansmith | rosmaita: glad to hear it.. long overdue, AFAICT.. like quotas :) | 14:16 |
| rosmaita | i will be really interested in looking at it | 14:16 |
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| abhishekk | that's it for today | 14:17 |
| abhishekk | Moving to Open discussion | 14:17 |
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| abhishekk | #topic Open discussion | 14:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:17 | |
| dansmith | let me just say to jokke, that I think one change is import could not have had an overlimit before and can after this, | 14:18 |
| jokke | just heads up, like agreed we've been looking into the caching API with abhishekk over this week. So hopefully updates and progress coming soon | 14:18 |
| dansmith | but that is the only change I think, and even still, not a hole we're stuck in, since it mirrors other behavior and... it's not a strict behavior people have to depend on | 14:18 |
| rosmaita | sounds like a lot is going on in glance this cycle! | 14:18 |
| abhishekk | Just to update you all, I am struggling with post covid symptoms so not able to contribute with my full strengths yet | 14:19 |
| rosmaita | i think a user should always be open to the possibility of getting overlimit | 14:19 |
| dansmith | rosmaita: +1000 | 14:19 |
| rosmaita | abhishekk: please rest up! | 14:19 |
| abhishekk | over to rosmaita now | 14:19 |
| abhishekk | rosmaita, yep | 14:19 |
| dansmith | abhishekk: rest up! | 14:19 |
| abhishekk | yes | 14:20 |
| jokke | abhishekk: yeah I haven't told that you yet today, take care of yourself buddy! | 14:20 |
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| abhishekk | thank you | 14:20 |
| abhishekk | I will go through logs tomorrow | 14:20 |
| abhishekk | thank you all | 14:20 |
| Steap | yeah, health should always be the current cycle's top prio | 14:20 |
| abhishekk | +1 Steap | 14:21 |
| dansmith | we should #endmeeting while abhishekk can still do a clean shutdown | 14:21 |
| * abhishekk shutting down now, rosmaita will chair this now | 14:21 | |
| abhishekk | if nothing to discuss then I can do it | 14:21 |
| jokke | go | 14:21 |
| rosmaita | ok, from now on the official language of Glance will be Sweedish | 14:22 |
| jokke | thanks all | 14:22 |
| dansmith | heh | 14:22 |
| abhishekk | ok, bye | 14:22 |
| rosmaita | anything else for open discussion, or should we adjourn early? | 14:22 |
| Steap | We could say it's "slut" if we insist on speaking Swedish | 14:23 |
| dansmith | oh my | 14:23 |
| dansmith | that word means something very different in english :) | 14:23 |
| Steap | yep | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | i guess maybe i don't want to conduct this meeting is Sweedish after all | 14:24 |
| Steap | Written in big letters at the end of every movie | 14:24 |
| dansmith | hah | 14:24 |
| jokke | lat oss icke ga igenom | 14:24 |
| dansmith | well, TIL | 14:24 |
| Steap | was a bit of a surprise for French me as well | 14:24 |
| Steap | jokke: are you actually fluent in Swedish as well as Finnish? | 14:24 |
| rosmaita | Steap: what kind of movies are you watching? | 14:24 |
| Steap | rosmaita: Swedish ones, duh | 14:24 |
| jokke | Steap: hell not ... jeg talar icke svensk | 14:24 |
| Steap | jokke: Jag heter Steap! | 14:25 |
| rosmaita | Okej, låt oss avsluta det här mötet | 14:26 |
| Steap | see, it's easy! | 14:26 |
| jokke | rosmaita: I expect nothing less than you translate all our specs to swedish now :D | 14:27 |
| rosmaita | well, i was really thinking we should rewrite glance in Go | 14:27 |
| jokke | rosmaita: fortran | 14:27 |
| rosmaita | något annat? | 14:27 |
| rosmaita | låter som ingenting ... jag tror att vi kan skjuta upp | 14:29 |
| Steap | fårtran? | 14:30 |
| rosmaita | i think it's still FORTRAN, even in Sweedish | 14:30 |
| Steap | Is "Sweedish" the language spoken in Sweden when people are smoking? | 14:31 |
| rosmaita | i am really sorry that i started this | 14:32 |
| rosmaita | OK, going ... going ... | 14:32 |
| rosmaita | well, at least abhishekk should get a laugh | 14:33 |
| rosmaita | #endmeeting | 14:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 14:33 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 20 14:33:12 2021 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:33 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2021/glance.2021-05-20-14.00.html | 14:33 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2021/glance.2021-05-20-14.00.txt | 14:33 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2021/glance.2021-05-20-14.00.log.html | 14:33 |
| rosmaita | see you next week, everyone | 14:33 |
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