Thursday, 2021-05-20

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abhishekk#startmeeting glance14:00
openstackMeeting started Thu May 20 14:00:12 2021 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is abhishekk. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'glance'14:00
abhishekk#topic roll call14:00
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abhishekk#chair rosmaita14:00
openstackCurrent chairs: abhishekk rosmaita14:00
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abhishekkJust FYI, no power at my end since morning and laptop battery is only 10% now14:01
abhishekkLets start14:01
jokkeabhishekk: oof, lets be quick then14:01
abhishekk#topic release/periodic jobs update14:01
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abhishekkM1 is next week14:01
abhishekkwe need to be quick on some specs14:01
abhishekk1. unified quota14:02
abhishekk2. Cache API14:02
abhishekkOther than that we don't have much in hand for M114:02
dansmiththere needs to be a spec for the policy stuff at some point,14:02
abhishekkPeriodic jobs all green for this week14:02
dansmithbut there has been basically no feedback on the poc stuff14:02
abhishekkYes, I know, I have added it as a separate point for discussion14:03
rosmaitawhen is the spec freeze?14:03
abhishekkMoving ahead14:03
abhishekk#topic Implement glance-unified-quotas14:04
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rosmaitai am way behind on reviews, sorry about that14:04
abhishekkjokke, raised some concerns, I guess we need to come to an agreement in this week14:04
rosmaitai will commit to reviewing and commenting today14:05
abhishekkthank you14:05
rosmaitawell, dont' thank me yet14:05
abhishekkI still think, this will be better option to have than our existing quota14:05
jokkeI raised few specifics inline to the spec and few general concerns on the review level14:06
rosmaitaabhishekk: +++++++++++14:06
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jokkeAs this will be changing our API behaviour, it will be very difficult to justify refactoring it in the future, so I'd like a bit of brainstorming what we could do better to avoid digging ourselves in the hole14:07
abhishekkI saw some inline answers/justifications from dansmith as well, so hopefully those will help to reduce your concerns14:07
dansmiththis does not change our api behavior, as noted in the spec,14:07
jokkeif the answer is there is nothing else we can do, then I guess it's better than nothing, but lets remember what ever we do, we're stuck with it14:07
dansmithbecause we can get over limit for all these calls already due to the global limits14:07
abhishekkI am also not sure how it will change API behavior?14:07
dansmithand also as noted, we can further refine this, we are not "stuck"14:08
jokkedansmith: so are you saying there is no new behaviour tested and enforced by tempest due to this work that is assumed to behave as implemented for the foreseeable future?14:08
dansmithjokke: I'm saying what the user experiences is the same, since they could be returned an over limit code for any of these APIs already if the operator has set the global limits,14:09
dansmithand the way out of those are the same (delete some stuff)14:09
dansmithI haven't seen an API concern raised by you on the spec, so if you have one, please do it there so we can continue with abhishekk's battery14:09
* abhishekk yep, only 8% now14:10
abhishekkSo, continue this discussion on the spec14:10
abhishekkmoving to next and important topic14:10
jokkeyeah, move on we can take this out of band14:10
abhishekk#topic Policy refactoring (Need reviews ASAP)14:11
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dansmiththere are a few refactors in the front of that set,14:11
dansmithwhich are +2 by abhishekk, so some quick +Ws to get that set down to a smaller size would be great14:11
abhishekkAs promised dansmith has modified the modify_image policy injection14:11
abhishekkthose are sitting idle since 2 weeks now14:12
dansmithbut the last one is the chunky one we need to look at in terms of approach, and there are questions in some of the test changes which I think are things that were wrong before14:12
abhishekkI guess we need some eyes there so that we can start with next step which is spec for this stuff14:12
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abhishekkI am really struggling to find why some property protection tests checking for conflict instead of forbidden14:13
dansmithyeah, it's been weeks since I was looking at that (as noted) but I too think it was probably tests confirming actual behavior, not desired14:14
abhishekkSo either one glance from rosmaita or jokke will be more helpful there14:14
abhishekkSo, I would suggest we need to spend some time around this as this is most priority item for us in this cycle14:14
rosmaitathis is  ?14:15
abhishekkas this will circle around secure RBAC stuff14:15
abhishekkrosmaita, yes14:15
rosmaitaok, sorry to be obtuse14:15
dansmithrosmaita: I think you missed those convos, but this is a PoC for refactoring policy enforcement up to the api layer where we can make proper decisions based on the request14:15
dansmithrosmaita: like what has happened in other projects lately, and is required for us to be able to do things like system scope and actual flexible policies14:16
rosmaitayou are preaching to the choir14:16
dansmithit will be a giant refactor, so we decided to PoC image update as the gnarly-est thing first14:16
rosmaitathanks for the context14:16
dansmithrosmaita: glad to hear it.. long overdue, AFAICT.. like quotas :)14:16
rosmaitai will be really interested in looking at it14:16
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abhishekkthat's it for today14:17
abhishekkMoving to Open discussion14:17
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abhishekk#topic Open discussion14:17
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dansmithlet me just say to jokke, that I think one change is import could not have had an overlimit before and can after this,14:18
jokkejust heads up, like agreed we've been looking into the caching API with abhishekk over this week. So hopefully updates and progress coming soon14:18
dansmithbut that is the only change I think, and even still, not a hole we're stuck in, since it mirrors other behavior and... it's not a strict behavior people have to depend on14:18
rosmaitasounds like a lot is going on in glance this cycle!14:18
abhishekkJust to update you all, I am struggling with post covid symptoms so not able to contribute with my full strengths yet14:19
rosmaitai think a user should always be open to the possibility of getting overlimit14:19
dansmithrosmaita: +100014:19
rosmaitaabhishekk: please rest up!14:19
abhishekkover to rosmaita now14:19
abhishekkrosmaita, yep14:19
dansmithabhishekk: rest up!14:19
jokkeabhishekk: yeah I haven't told that you yet today, take care of yourself buddy!14:20
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abhishekkthank you14:20
abhishekkI will go through logs tomorrow14:20
abhishekkthank you all14:20
Steapyeah, health should always be the current cycle's top prio14:20
abhishekk+1 Steap14:21
dansmithwe should #endmeeting while abhishekk can still do a clean shutdown14:21
* abhishekk shutting down now, rosmaita will chair this now14:21
abhishekkif nothing to discuss then I can do it14:21
rosmaitaok, from now on the official language of Glance will be Sweedish14:22
jokkethanks all14:22
abhishekkok, bye14:22
rosmaitaanything else for open discussion, or should we adjourn early?14:22
SteapWe could say it's "slut" if we insist on speaking Swedish14:23
dansmithoh my14:23
dansmiththat word means something very different in english :)14:23
rosmaitai guess maybe i don't want to conduct this meeting is Sweedish after all14:24
SteapWritten in big letters at the end of every movie14:24
jokkelat oss icke ga igenom14:24
dansmithwell, TIL14:24
Steapwas a bit of a surprise for French me as well14:24
Steapjokke: are you actually fluent in Swedish as well as Finnish?14:24
rosmaitaSteap: what kind of movies are you watching?14:24
Steaprosmaita: Swedish ones, duh14:24
jokkeSteap: hell not ... jeg talar icke svensk14:24
Steapjokke: Jag heter Steap!14:25
rosmaitaOkej, låt oss avsluta det här mötet14:26
Steapsee, it's easy!14:26
jokkerosmaita: I expect nothing less than you translate all our specs to swedish now :D14:27
rosmaitawell, i was really thinking we should rewrite glance in Go14:27
jokkerosmaita: fortran14:27
rosmaitanågot annat?14:27
rosmaitalåter som ingenting ... jag tror att vi kan skjuta upp14:29
rosmaitai think it's still FORTRAN, even in Sweedish14:30
SteapIs "Sweedish" the language spoken in Sweden when people are smoking?14:31
rosmaitai am really sorry that i started this14:32
rosmaitaOK, going ... going ...14:32
rosmaitawell, at least abhishekk should get a laugh14:33
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openstackMeeting ended Thu May 20 14:33:12 2021 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at . (v 0.1.4)14:33
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rosmaitasee you next week, everyone14:33
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