Monday, 2013-11-18

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openstackgerritArmando Migliaccio proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Reduce the severity of dhcp related log traces  https://review.openstack.org/5678500:17
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openstackgerritSalvatore Orlando proposed a change to openstack/neutron: NVP plugin:fix connectivity to fip from internal nw  https://review.openstack.org/5684701:10
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idella4enikanorov:  that bug seems to cover it on reading02:14
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openstackgerritArmando Migliaccio proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Reduce the severity of dhcp related log traces  https://review.openstack.org/5678503:20
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idella4again what is Edge edge-1 in neutron?04:20
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/neutron: Do not run "ovs-ofctl add-flow" with an invalid in_port  https://review.openstack.org/5363606:18
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openstackgerritJenkins proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Imported Translations from Transifex  https://review.openstack.org/5686406:41
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enikanorovidella4: i think it's some string constant from nicira plugin unit tests06:50
idella4hm hi06:51
idella4well I have now Ran 12259 (+12259) tests in 2746.766s \ FAILED (id=5, failures=2 (+2), skips=171)06:51
idella4but because of the constrained i.e. absent coverage output I have NO indication of the 2 failed tests06:52
idella4the patch in the bug seems to have fixed it06:52
idella4except06:52
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idella4I still get FAILED (id=0, failures=11, skips=328) on using the --parallel option06:53
idella4despite having 8 gig of RAM06:53
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idella4I mean how much do you need??????06:54
idella4how do you put coverage output (back) into the testrrunner????06:55
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idella4oh I see the nicira plugin, right07:01
enikanorovidella4: what are these failures?07:02
idella4just said I can't tell, though they may be the edge fail twice07:02
enikanorovi think you're ok from ram perpective, you need to find actual reasons of failures07:02
idella4well yes07:02
idella4last run I just got;07:03
idella4FAIL: process-returncode \ tags: worker-007:03
idella4Binary content: \   traceback (test/plain; charset="utf8")07:03
idella4Ran 12259 (+12259) tests in 2746.766s \ FAILED (id=5, failures=2 (+2), skips=171)07:04
idella4no traceback of the 2 FAILs tilt07:04
idella4leaving out the --parallel option in running the testsuite is a pity  but that's all07:05
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idella4A previous run listed the edge thingy but because the coverage type output isn't clear I'm not certain that that's the 207:06
idella4I think a run of nosetests which takes just over 2 hours,07:07
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idella4before I applied that patch, might provide the coverage output07:08
idella4though looking at the last nosetests run it seemed to bring up other nonsense, so that may not apply07:09
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idella4kk.08:30
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enikanorovamotoki: hi. do you have few minutes? i'd like to discuss moving noop driver to unit tests08:58
amotokienikanorov: hi08:58
openstackgerritOleg Bondarev proposed a change to openstack/neutron: LBaaS: fix reported binary name of a loadbalancer agent  https://review.openstack.org/5537708:58
openstackgerritYuuichi Fujioka proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Apply six for metaclass  https://review.openstack.org/5173808:59
amotokienikanorov: I wonder why lbaas db contains driver related code. it is the only reason I commented.08:59
enikanorovit's lbaas db tests09:00
enikanorovnoop is used for tests only, so why not to put it to the only place where it is used?09:01
amotokii understand the merit of defining noopdriver in the same place.09:01
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enikanorovso... i don't have strong opinion on the exact placement. Also I agreed with Oleg's comment that putting noop in the same folders as other drivers is a little bit odd, since it's not tested actually09:03
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enikanorovthat's why I'm asking, whether you are proposing to put it in tests/unit/services/loadbalancer/drivers and if so, why?09:04
amotokiI am looking the code again. Do we need to load neutron.services.loadbalancer.plugin.LoadBalancerPlugin to test LoadBalancerPluginDb.09:04
amotokii don't have strong opinion too.09:05
enikanorovyes, we need to load it09:05
enikanorovsince most of the tests use API to manipulate objects09:05
enikanorovnot a plugin directly09:05
amotokiIn L2 plugin, db plugin test loads db plugin but in LBaaS we need to load LoadBalancerPluign with NoopDriver.09:06
amotokiI got it.09:06
amotokiIf so, your approach sounds reasonable.09:06
enikanorovok, good to know :)09:07
idella4and perhaps you can extend the backtrace readouts while you're at it09:07
amotokithanks. I will go to the review from now.09:07
idella4I am totally dead ended;   traceback (test/plain; charset="utf8")09:08
idella4and that's it09:08
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enikanorovfolks, could anyone tell what are requirements for the hardware to run tempest testsuite?09:21
enikanorovi'm trying to do this on 2.5 Gig VM running devstack09:21
enikanorovthe suite hanged after ~3.5 hours09:21
enikanorovand left the VM in pretty damaged state i'd say09:21
enikanorovit's 2 core VM with 2.5 gig of memory and 12 Gb of disk09:22
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openstackgerritEmilien Macchi proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Add LeastRouters Scheduler to Neutron L3 Agent  https://review.openstack.org/4749009:24
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ogelbukhenikanorov: https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/devstack-gate/tree/README.rst#n11509:26
ogelbukhenikanorov: there are some numbers you could find useful09:26
enikanorovogelbukh: thx09:28
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openstackgerritIsaku Yamahata proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Implement service vm framework(WIP):  https://review.openstack.org/5689209:55
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openstackgerritZhang Hua proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Fwaas can't run in operation system without namespace feature  https://review.openstack.org/5689310:11
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openstackgerritOleg Bondarev proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Add state reporting to the metadata agent  https://review.openstack.org/5662811:03
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idella4oh anteaya11:21
sgranobondarev: can https://review.openstack.org/#/c/40381/ be approved now?  Is anything left blocking it?11:23
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sgranenikanorov: can https://review.openstack.org/#/c/41396/ be approved now?  Is anything left blocking it?11:26
openstackgerritDuarte Nunes proposed a change to openstack/neutron: MidoNet: Added support for the admin_state_up flag  https://review.openstack.org/5427511:31
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anteayaidella4: hello11:33
anteayaidella4: what is the latest?11:33
idella4ah11:37
idella4hiya young gal11:37
idella4well read the backlog os the last couple of hours it's there really11:38
idella4otherwise i summarise it11:38
idella4I'm quite stuck11:38
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idella4see it's occurred twice, the lack of backtrace11:39
idella4however  2 out of 12259 isn't too bad11:40
idella4the bug of https://github.com/openstack/neutron/commit/d26dfed7d47926425bb55893da45f650d6549b9a also cited the ERROR: coming from the testsuite but not backtraced to any test(s)11:42
idella4the 2 remnants I get are likely this Edge edge-111:43
idella4need someone who knows what they are for starters, a grep lists dozens of entries in the folder that deals with it11:44
obondarevsgran: nothing blocks https://review.openstack.org/#/c/40381, I already asked Akihiro to review it. Going to ask Mark as well11:44
idella4frankly the limited backtrce info is a major obstacle I've not encountered prior ro this instance11:45
idella4more than a co-incidence it pairs with the use of the newish testr11:46
idella4oh well..11:46
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openstackgerritOleg Bondarev proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Delete disassociated floating ips on external network deletion  https://review.openstack.org/5336411:54
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sgranobondarev: great, thanks12:29
sgranI'd just like to see it get merged so we can move onto other things12:29
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openstackgerritAkihiro Motoki proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Add request-id to log messages  https://review.openstack.org/5212812:57
anteayaidella4: very windy here, lost my internet connection for a while12:58
idella4ah12:59
anteayamight lose it again anytime so don't wait for me12:59
anteayalet me read the backscroll12:59
idella4I was actually reading a bit on the net about the report of storms and strong winds in your area of Ontario12:59
idella4in the south-west of the Province of Ontario13:00
idella4hmm well there's not much more to add, other than the use of the --parallel option is quite problematic13:02
openstackgerritOleg Bondarev proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Add state reporting to the metadata agent  https://review.openstack.org/5662813:02
anteayaidella4: are you willing to summarize your findings in an etherpad?13:04
anteayaetherpad.openstack.org13:04
anteayawith links to what output you get from running which tests?13:05
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anteayaat this point I am going to have to ask others for help and it is easier for me to do so if I can point them to your summarized findings in one place13:05
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anteayathe other option is to add some comments to a bug report if you have found a bug that describes the issue you think you are hitting13:06
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anteayaenikanorov: have you wandered over to #openstack-qa and asked the question about resource requirements for running tempest tests?13:07
anteayayou might spark a good conversation, who knows13:07
openstackgerritOleg Bondarev proposed a change to openstack/neutron: LBaaS: fix reported binary name of a loadbalancer agent  https://review.openstack.org/5537713:08
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idella4@ python_test() {         # https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1235955 #       rm -rf quantum/ || die "dammit"         mv $(find . -name test_ovs_tunnel.py) ./troubled || die #     @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/125165713:10
anteayaummm, that is great fodder for a paste13:10
idella4they're summarised they really, no?13:10
idella4@ https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/125165713:11
idella4odd13:11
idella4don't know how that other stuff got in there13:11
anteayaokay13:11
idella4an lxde thungy I think13:11
anteayaokay13:12
anteayadid you click that this bug affects you as well?13:12
anteayaright now the bug affects 2 people13:12
anteayais one of them you?13:12
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openstackgerritAkihiro Motoki proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Replace mox in unit tests with mock  https://review.openstack.org/5404413:19
anteayaidella4: are you johneed?13:19
idella4ah yep13:19
idella4it's me13:19
anteayasorry I missed that13:20
idella4it's an old nick I made on hotmail13:20
anteayaokay13:20
idella4ah sure13:20
anteayaso thanks for filing the bug13:20
idella4oh you're welcome13:20
anteayanow we need to find out how to get you more stacktrace13:20
idella4I di that days ago before we crossed paths here13:20
anteayak13:20
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idella4well yep, that's it13:21
anteayathe amount of stacktrace comes from the code, not the test runner13:21
anteayaso we need to find the code for the actual failing test13:21
idella4yes13:21
idella4well yes13:21
idella4see your packages use testr and tox13:22
anteayayou had given me some pastes on the weekend do you still have links to them?13:22
anteayaand lifeless says you can run subunit directly13:23
idella4tox it seems does what it's told via the .inii13:23
anteayadid you see his response in the backscroll13:23
anteayatox reads from tox.ini13:23
idella4er no13:23
idella4yes that's what I meant13:23
anteayathe init command just creates a tox.ini if there isn't one13:23
anteayayes13:23
idella4I haven't brought up the log from the page you gave me a couple of days ago13:24
anteayaokay13:24
idella4I have it in my backlog or backtrace in this vary page13:24
idella4or tab13:24
anteayak13:25
idella4you want me to repeat those paste links now?13:25
anteayasee this log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-neutron/%23openstack-neutron.2013-11-17.log and timestamp: 2013-11-17T18:05:49 for the information on subunit13:25
idella4oh good13:25
anteayawell it can't hurt to add them to your bug report13:25
anteayathen we don't lose track of them13:26
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idella4@ http://codepad.org/zC3g6Qf3 there is one13:26
idella4but it will be wiped shortly won't it13:26
idella4the host server only keeps them for a week or so no?13:26
idella4you care to copy paste them into the bug or elsewhere mb?13:27
idella4remember too that bug is registered as INVALID on on 2013-11-16:13:28
anteayaokay13:29
anteayadid you find out why it was registered as INVALID?13:30
anteayaI don't know anything about codepad13:30
anteayathat is why we run our own paste.openstack.org13:30
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idella4ah right github has its equivalent13:30
idella4oh anteaya; note; Eugene Nikanorov (enikanorov) wrote on 2013-11-16:  \ Changed in neutron: \ status:     New → Invalid13:32
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anteayaokay13:32
idella4It was that which caused prometheanfire to ask me to lob in here13:32
anteayahave you chatted with enikanorov to learn why the bug was marked invalid?13:33
anteayait might be a good place to begin13:33
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anteayajenkins01 is sick right now13:39
anteayaI suggest holding off on patchset submissions and approving patches until jenkins01 is back up13:40
idella4oh dear.13:40
anteayahuge load in the check queue and many failing patches13:40
anteayayup13:40
anteayait is a known problem but so far no resolution13:41
idella4I discussed it at length13:41
anteayahopefully soon13:41
anteayawith enikanorov?13:41
idella4about 2 hours before I 'interrupted ' you and prometheanfire13:41
idella4oh yep13:41
anteayagreat13:41
idella4it's all in the backlog13:41
anteayaso the bug is still marked invalid13:41
idella4well, that's where we part in opinion13:42
idella4read our exchange, anteaya13:42
idella4it's all there13:42
idella4quite long too13:42
anteayathe point is that enikanorov has the knowledge to triage bugs and I don't13:43
idella4true13:43
anteayaI'm here to facilitate communication, not do end runs around people if you disagree with them13:43
idella4sure13:43
idella4and doin' a fine job too13:43
anteayathanks13:43
anteayaso if a decision has been made on a bug, the only thing I can do is encourage you to talk and get the decision reversed or relaxed13:44
anteayaand if the decision maker won't do that, all I can do is commiserate13:44
idella4well it's all already discussed, and it was he who gave me the bug that resolved the json based issue13:44
anteayaI have to respect enikanorov's opinion in this matter, his knowledge in this area is superior to mine13:45
idella4talking's all done13:45
anteayathat is a shame13:45
anteayasince you still wish to pursue this direction13:45
idella4we're up to needing the extended backtrace13:45
idella4oh it's still all viable13:45
anteayawill enikanorov reconsider his decision if there is more backtrace?13:46
idella4don't know13:46
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anteayacan you ask?13:46
idella4well I fundamentally figured out how to run it  via testr though he did point out tesatr is the alternate runner13:47
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idella4ask what?13:47
anteayaask if he will reconsider his position on his decision about the status of your bug?13:48
idella4so in that respect all is, well, well13:48
idella4to me that is quite moot13:48
anteayaif teh bug is invalid, patches for it won't be merged13:48
idella4which is why I added;13:48
anteayathat is the problem13:48
idella4You MIGHT consider re-oening, but then again ..13:48
idella4the problem to me is it never warranted invalid status13:49
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anteayawith 422 bugs against neutron, as well as difficulties with tempest and a gap with tempest tests, I need to focus on those prorities13:49
anteayaidella4: yes I can see that13:49
anteayayes enikanorov is of a different opinion13:49
anteaya*yet13:50
idella4for reasons of a  most antagonistic nature13:50
idella4sadly13:50
anteayathat may be the case13:50
idella4but you get that13:50
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anteayayet I have to respect his knowledge in the area13:50
anteayaI do13:50
idella4what I added those few hours ago all followed from all discussed in here13:51
idella4including his few additions today13:51
anteayafair enough13:51
idella4afaiac I added the findings in that final comment all of which he is already aware13:52
idella4fron HERE13:52
idella4from HERE13:52
idella4hence13:52
idella4You MIGHT consider re-oening, but then again ..13:52
idella4his call13:52
anteayaI can't make people talk to each other13:52
anteayayes in this case it is13:52
anteayaall I can do is express my disappointment when they don't13:53
anteayathey don't have to agree, but at least talk13:53
idella4he has the info from both here and the bug13:53
idella4so I cansider I've done my bit13:53
idella4twice13:53
anteayaunless the two of you talk it out13:53
anteayaI can't do anything more13:53
anteayawhich is a shame, it has been really nice to work with you13:54
anteayaI would hate to lose you in the channel13:54
idella4well that can still continue really13:54
idella4I don't think that is really under threat13:54
anteayagood13:54
anteayaI am glad to hear that13:54
anteayasince we need lots of help with testing neutron with tempets13:54
anteayatempest13:54
idella4however I am strong minded as well as humorous and cheeky13:55
anteayaand writing new tempest tests13:55
anteayastrong minded is good13:55
anteayaso am I13:55
idella4hmm well yes13:55
idella4which means you too are good13:55
idella4which is good13:55
anteayabut the ability to express your perspective clearly and then hear the perspective of someone else is a real skill13:55
anteayaand sometimes it needs to be learned13:55
anteayaso continue to talk13:56
anteayasilence is just selfish13:56
idella4I learned it long ago. however13:56
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idella4hmm you do have a slightly different final take on this13:56
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anteayamy final take is there needs to be more discussion between yourself and enikanorov13:57
idella4ok13:57
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anteayathanks for understanding13:59
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openstackgerritOleg Bondarev proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Delete disassociated floating ips on external network deletion  https://review.openstack.org/5336414:08
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sgranmarkmcclain: anything need doing on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/40381 ? or can it be approved?14:39
sgranenikanorov: did you see my question on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/41396/ ?14:39
anteayahey sgran14:41
anteayahow was the rest of the conference?14:41
sgranit was good, thanks :)14:45
sgranback at work now, so chasing people up to see if things can get pushed forward14:45
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anteayaw00t14:53
anteayago you!14:53
anteayaglad the conference went well14:53
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anteayaas always anything -neutron related, particularly involving tempest or stabilzing the gate, tell me how I can help14:54
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openstackgerritAssaf Muller proposed a change to openstack/python-neutronclient: [fwaas] Can now create disabled firewall rules  https://review.openstack.org/5582614:58
openstackgerritÉdouard Thuleau proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Add local ARP responder to the OVS agent (WIP)  https://review.openstack.org/4922715:03
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sgrananteaya: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/56815/15:05
sgranI think I am running into a situation there where the gate is violating a unique constraint15:05
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sgranI don't know yet, so don't waste time on it just ow15:06
sgranbut if I need help working on the gate, can I bother you for a bit?15:06
openstackgerritÉdouard Thuleau proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Add local ARP responder to the OVS agent (WIP)  https://review.openstack.org/4922715:07
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anteayasgran: never a bother15:12
anteayaand yes right now the gate is having issues15:12
anteayamordred and I noticed that yesterday15:12
anteayaand yes, always ping me if there is even a remote chance I can help you15:13
mordredwell, the gate itself isn't having issues15:13
anteayaand finding out about gate stuff is something I can help with15:13
mordredas much as the openstack software is and the gate is pointing them out15:13
mordredbut, yeah - it's painful right now15:13
anteayamordred: any idea why your patch couldn't pass check yesterday?15:14
mordredthere are SEVERAL race condition bugs in openstack15:14
mordredall of which I managed to hit15:15
anteayaw00t15:15
anteayanothing like coverage15:15
mordredbecause there are enough that you have about a 50% chance of hitting one currently15:15
anteayagrand15:15
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prometheanfireohai15:21
openstackgerritDuarte Nunes proposed a change to openstack/neutron: MidoNet: Added support for the admin_state_up flag  https://review.openstack.org/5427515:22
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anteayaprometheanfire: hello there15:22
anteayaI've introduced idella4 around in #openstack-qa15:24
anteayahe might be happier there15:24
anteayaconsidering his experience wtih testing15:24
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prometheanfireya15:26
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anteayaand how are you today, prometheanfire?15:30
openstackgerritÉdouard Thuleau proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Reclaim local VLAN  https://review.openstack.org/5696215:41
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openstackgerritÉdouard Thuleau proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Fix OVS agent reclaims local VLAN  https://review.openstack.org/5696215:43
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prometheanfireanteaya: good :D16:05
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prometheanfireanteaya: did a few backlog things16:05
anteayaglad to hear it16:05
anteaya:D16:05
anteayaw00t for backlog16:05
prometheanfireya16:05
anteayaalways nice to clear that out16:05
prometheanfireupdated a few packages for CVE and stuff16:06
anteayayay for package updates16:06
anteayawhat a headache16:06
prometheanfireit's simple for me at least16:06
anteayamuch more so that it would be for me16:07
anteayaI agree16:07
prometheanfirecurl -L http://github.com/openstack/keystone/commit/4221b6020e6b0b42325d8904d7b8a22577a6acc0.patch -o 2013.2-CVE-2013-4477.patch16:07
prometheanfireand add the patch to the patches array16:07
anteayanice16:07
prometheanfirePATCHES=( "${FILESDIR}/2013.2-CVE-2013-4477.patch" )16:07
anteayaan important fix16:07
prometheanfirethat's it16:07
anteayacool16:07
prometheanfireyarp16:07
prometheanfireI've been ignoring them for a bit too long...16:08
anteayaglad it is in the gentoo packages now16:08
anteayayeah16:08
anteayahelps to shake the dust off16:08
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openstackgerritArmando Migliaccio proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Reduce the severity of dhcp related log traces  https://review.openstack.org/5678516:18
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anteayasalv-orlando: is there an etherpad or blueprint for neutron api design?17:30
salv-orlandoIf you refer to the API itself we have the API reference in github.com/openstack/netconn-api.git; if you refer to the new framework for the API layer based on pecan and possibly wsme there's an etherpad17:31
salv-orlandowhose link I do not have at the moment. It might take a few seconds, but perhaps if markmcclain is around I'm sure he will give you the link immediately17:32
anteayagreat thanks salv-orlando17:34
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openstackgerritDuarte Nunes proposed a change to openstack/neutron: MidoNet: Added support for the admin_state_up flag  https://review.openstack.org/5427517:40
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anteayaI'm going to head out for a walk, back in a bit17:42
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salv-orlandoanteaya: sorry about the delay -> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/NeutronAPI17:43
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thorstHi All.  I proposed the following change a few weeks back: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/53461/17:47
thorstI know with the summit that reviews were a bit sparse.  Wondering if someone wouldn't mind taking a peak?17:47
anteayaawesome thanks salv-orlando17:47
anteayahi thorst, thanks for submitting the bug fix17:47
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anteayahopefully you will get a few more reviews on it17:48
thorstthanks so much!17:48
anteaya:D17:49
anteayaheading out for my walk now, will check back when I return17:49
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enikanorovsgran: answered your question on review17:59
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sgrangreat, thanks18:00
openstackgerritEmilien Macchi proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Add LeastRouters Scheduler to Neutron L3 Agent  https://review.openstack.org/4749018:00
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openstackgerritSean M. Collins proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Create a new attribute for subnets, to store v6 dhcp options  https://review.openstack.org/5298318:12
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anteayawell done thorst, nice bit of review traffic on your patch19:08
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anteayajog0: thanks19:25
anteayaso working through the bugs I have listed one at a time, I want to make sure they are still a priority19:25
anteayajog0: could you post a logstash url for this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/122400119:26
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jog0anteaya: see http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/19:26
anteayait really helps to have the logstash url in the bug report19:26
jog0it has all the logstash URLs19:26
* anteaya clicks19:26
anteayaawesome thanks19:26
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roaetHello. Just some questions about neutron and auth_strategy=noauth. Is such a thing possible, and has anyone tried such a thing here?19:30
anteayahey roaet19:32
anteayahow have you been19:32
anteayahaven't talked to you in a while19:33
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openstackgerritArmando Migliaccio proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Reduce the severity of dhcp related log traces  https://review.openstack.org/5678519:34
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roaetanteaya: howdy!19:35
anteayahow are you doing?19:37
anteayadid you attend the summit?19:37
anteayaif so, I didn't see you19:37
roaetdoing well, had to switch gears and do rackspace stuff19:37
roaetinstead of upstream stuff :( but no, didn't go to the summit19:37
anteayacool19:40
anteayawell it happens19:40
anteayasomeday you can come back and upstream again19:40
anteayaand maybe I can meet you in Atlanta19:41
roaetanteaya: you know anything about trying to run neutron in a noauth setting?19:41
roaetOh a definitely want to go to that19:41
anteayanot a thing19:41
roaetI guess I am upstream at the moment.19:41
anteayagood, I am looking forward to it19:41
roaetJust not focused19:41
anteayaw00t19:41
anteayathat is okay19:41
anteayacan you be upstream on -neutron for a few weeks?19:41
anteaya*she asked hopefully*19:41
roaeti'm currently working https://blueprints.launchpad.net/python-neutronclient/+spec/pluggable-neutronclient-auth19:42
roaetGet more reviews and etc when i can19:42
roaetI haven't checked the lowhanging fruit for awhile.19:42
anteayamore plugins19:43
anteayawe need help with testing19:43
roaetyeah D:19:43
roaettesting?19:43
anteayaand tracking down race conditions19:43
anteayayeah19:43
anteayaeveryone wants to work on plugins19:43
roaetI'd like to help, but I've been instructed to do ^^19:43
anteayafew resources towards testing19:43
roaetthe boss says "do this" :(19:44
anteayayeah, everyone is singing the same song19:44
anteayaproblem is if the testing doesn't happen19:44
anteayathe next discussion is how do we deprecate neutron19:44
anteayadoes your boss know that?19:44
roaetdeprecate neutron?19:44
anteayayes19:44
roaetFor ML2?19:45
anteayait is already being considered as an option19:45
anteayanot for ml219:45
anteayabut if the testing doesn't happen, the conversation will19:45
anteayanot plugin testing19:45
roaetSo no more neutron at all?19:45
anteayaneutron testing19:45
anteayayes19:45
anteayayou got it19:45
anteayafinally someone that can hear the message19:45
anteayaso the core of neutron has to be tested19:46
anteayaquickly19:46
anteayaand folks are not coming forward to do that19:46
anteayathey are more worried about their own little plugins19:46
enikanorovi wonder how 'deprecate neutron' appeared in #openstack-neutron at all19:46
anteayaand are not see the big picture19:46
anteayaenikanorov: why do you wonder?19:46
roaetanteaya: well I heard about it on the mailing list, deprecate but it wasn't actually geared to neutron going away completely.19:47
anteayait has been a topic of conversation in many other channels19:47
roaetwhat is the alternative to neutron?19:47
enikanorovanteaya: it was not19:47
anteayaroaet: what does deprecate mean to you?19:47
roaetnova-networking?19:47
anteayayes19:47
enikanorovit's nova-network that was expected to be deprecated, not neutron19:47
anteayait works, it passes tests19:47
roaetanteaya: I thought it was more of 'deprecate current neutron use patterns'19:47
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anteayaenikanorov: if neutron can pass tests19:48
roaetand I have definitely heard of nova-network being deprecated19:48
anteayaand reach feature parity with nova-network19:48
roaetanteaya: well, if it is any help, we're in the process of moving to neutron19:48
roaetfrom nova-network (kinda)19:48
roaetso we're doing the same thing19:48
roaetand that blueprint is actually so we can do it19:49
anteayahttp://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-November/019404.html19:49
anteayaI can't be the only one reading the mailing lists19:49
anteayaroaet: you had better get some folks helping to close the testing gap then19:49
roaetanteaya: that's nova-network?19:49
anteayathat is one email asking about nova-network19:50
anteayaread the response, the one from russellb19:50
anteayaIf significant progress isn't made ASAP this cycle, and ideally by19:50
roaetanteaya: I hear the alarm, but the plan is to get rid of nova-networking. and I know neutron isn't getting its act together yet, is that what you're talking about?19:50
anteayamid-cycle so we can change directions if necessary, then we'll have to19:50
anteayadiscuss what next step to take.  That may include un-freezing19:50
anteayanova-network so that various people holding on to enhancements to19:50
anteayanova-network can start submitting them back.  It's a last resort, but I19:50
anteayaconsider it on the table.19:51
anteayayes19:51
enikanorovnothing about 'deprecating neutron', as expected19:51
anteayaneutron does not seem to hear the message19:51
anteayaenikanorov: many people are ready to do it19:51
enikanorovmany people moving to neutron, in fact19:51
anteayaif you aren't aware of that, you aren't listening to what is going on it other projects19:51
roaetenikanorov: it is a sign that neutron isn't working for the mainstream19:52
russellbi think if we had to actually un-freeze nova-network, re-evaluating neutron's status in openstack would be the next step19:52
anteayaroaet: someone who can hear19:52
russellbthat's pretty extreme, but a possible outcome19:52
russellbi'm optimistic for now though19:52
russellbbut to be clear, it is a possibility19:52
russellbIMO19:52
anteayaenikanorov: can you hear russellb?19:52
enikanorovanteaya: no, i can't19:52
roaetanteaya: I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm currently just at odds with other interests19:52
anteayaenikanorov: see taht is the problem, folks are trying to share their opinion, it isn't sinking in19:53
enikanorovrussellb is nova ptl, not neutron, so i kinda don't see what he's writing here19:53
russellbi'm also on the TC19:53
anteayaenikanorov: he is not acting alone19:53
enikanorovrussellb: yeah, i know :)19:53
anteayamany within openstack are ready to have this discussion19:53
roaetanteaya: I can talk to my people and maybe get some more time to dedicate, but we're moving in the neutron direction.19:53
anteayathis is why I am in this channel19:53
anteayato try to suppor neutron closing the testing gap19:54
enikanorovrussellb: i think that's ok to unfreeze nova-network if there is immediate need for it19:54
roaetwe're converting all of our nova-network stuff to neutron, it's not simple19:54
roaetenikanorov: i think that is not ok19:54
anteayaroaet: just be sure you are informed19:54
roaetenikanorov: what is the purpose of having two projects that do the same thing?19:54
roaetenikanorov: other than to water down the talent pool and code submissions... and code reviews.19:54
russellbit's obviously not what we want :)19:55
roaetI agree with anteaya, maybe not as alarmed, but I agree.19:55
jog0so AFAIK the neutron deadline is icehouse-219:55
roaetjog0: what if it is missed?19:55
enikanorovwell, it's the consensus to work on improving tempest test covarage for neutron19:55
jog0which is Jan 23rd19:55
anteayathe deprecation discussion happens19:55
enikanorovdifferent folks are working on it19:55
anteayaenikanorov: who?19:56
roaetanteaya: that's not definitive, but like russellb says, a possibility.19:56
jog0roaet: then nova talks about lifting feature freeze on nova-networking19:56
anteayaI'm keen to know who, so I can support them19:56
russellband if nova has to resort to that, maybe we propose moving neutron back to incubated19:56
roaetjog0: and if nova-networking starts getting support, then why even have nuetron?19:56
anteayaroaet: exactly19:56
russellbbut let's not speculate too much yet, let's just get neutron in shape :)19:56
anteayarussellb: agreed19:56
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enikanorovneutron's cores are fixing bugs that caused failures at gate, at leat two people on my team are working on tempest scenarion testing for lbaas part of neutron19:56
russellbgood to hear.19:57
anteayaenikanorov: are you willing to share their names so I can talk with them19:57
anteayaand make sure they have the resources they need to progress?19:57
jog0enikanorov: if the core neutron logic doesn't work then lbaas is dead anyway19:57
roaetSo could I say, with a bit of confidence, that the neutron community is currently in a heightened alarm state?19:57
anteayaroaet: no the rest of openstack is19:57
roaetheh, and you're saying neutron folk need to wake up.19:58
anteayaroaet: some parts of neutron get it and some are in denial19:58
enikanorovroaet: I think that we all got clear message at the summit19:58
anteayaroaet: been saying it all last week19:58
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roaetenikanorov: I was not at the summity, sadly.19:58
anteayaroaet: glad you are here to hear me19:58
roaetand my lovely team that was did not inform me.19:58
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enikanorovroaet: we've had more then one session dedicated to testing19:58
anteayaroaet: I encourage you to ask them19:58
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enikanorovand the existing issues with neutron19:59
anteayaenikanorov: yet the etherpad for neutron tempest testing has 4 empty slots19:59
anteayaincluding grenade19:59
roaetanteaya: I can't self-task anymore, but I can ask for more time.19:59
roaetanteaya: recommendation?19:59
anteayaI stand corrected, 3 empty slots: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/icehouse-summit-qa-neutron20:00
roaetanteaya: I would like a doc that tells me how to get into the testing business.20:00
anteayasalvatore is again doing all the work20:00
anteayaroaet: great let me find you one20:00
roaetSimilar to the how to contribute thing, if it exists, I couldn't find it.20:00
roaet(or I didn't look)20:00
enikanorovanteaya: so be the one who take some of those slots20:00
anteayaI will find you what you need, roaet20:00
roaetBut providing me with that document would make me feel good.20:00
anteayaenikanorov: thanks for volunteering me20:01
anteayaroaet: I will find you something20:01
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roaetblah20:01
anteayaroaet: here is the readme for tempest: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/tempest/tree/README.rst20:02
roaetneutron's client can't run in parallel safely.20:02
roaetand neutron's client is a pos20:02
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anteayaroaet: I think salvatore recently merged a patch to make parallel testing available for the experimental queue20:03
roaetis it using threads?20:03
roaethttplib3 is not threadsafe20:03
anteayaI am not sure20:04
anteayaand salvatore doesn't appear to be in the channel20:04
anteayahere is a readme for grenade: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-dev/grenade/tree/README.rst20:04
roaetanteaya: I'll look into it, and I have requested some time to talk to my bossfigure20:05
anteayaroaet: you rock dude!!20:05
enikanorovrussellb: just curious, what is your feeling about 'neutron quality'? Do you have some specific issues in mind other than gate stability? From my own observation the issues started to appear when we moved to ML2 from OVS plugin, i might be wrong though20:05
anteayalet me know what I can do to help and get you the information you need20:05
roaetrackspace has interest in keeping neutron alive, since we've invested quite a bit into it20:06
russellbgate stability is the primary indicator, and test coverage in the gate20:06
russellbthough i have anecdotal evidence from neutron deployers saying that the default open source plugins aren't really usable20:07
russellband have had to rewrite them20:07
roaetrussellb: a lot of them do not work at scale.20:07
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mestery_The default open source plugins are most definitely NOT deployable. russelb, that should be obvious to anyone who has looked at the code or tried to deploy them.20:07
enikanorovrussellb: I see. In fact it would be good to get more deployers feed back on MLs20:08
mestery_Hopefully ML2 can make things more deployable and more usable, but we'll see.20:08
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russellbso that's pretty much a complete non-starter20:08
russellbif the default plugins are not usable, neutron isn't usable IMO20:08
roaetThe problem I see is that a lot of the effort is going into pushing a vendor agenda instead of making neutron a viable platform.20:08
mesteryI agree 100%, and I've been trying to work on that particular problem for the last 6 months.20:08
russellbcool :)20:08
mesteryroaet: Agreed, also something I've been trying to solve.20:08
roaetAnd vendor agenda is super annoying.20:08
enikanorovhm, i need to spread this word to our deployers :)20:09
roaetWe'd like to help more (rackspace) but we can't get anyone to approve our changes with any speed20:09
mesteryenikanorov: Have you seriously tried to deploy the OVS plugin to any sort of scale?20:09
russellbbut it has to get resolved in the near term, or we need to re-label everything to reflect reality20:09
mesteryWithout making modifications to it?20:09
russellbthat nova-network is still the thing that's usable, and that neutron is still a WIP20:09
enikanorovwell... scale20:09
mesteryrussleb: Agree.20:09
enikanorovlets talk in 2 years about scale20:09
roaetI had a god damn change in there with zero love for 3 months, I gave up on it.20:09
mesteryenikanorov: :)20:09
enikanorovnot now :)20:09
roaetenikanorov: why in 2 years?20:09
roaetwe're scaling now20:09
roaetwe need scale now20:09
enikanorovyeah, every one needs scale like yesterday20:10
jog0mestery: bluehost has a open source driver that works at scale20:10
jog0loosely based on OVS20:10
mesteryjog0: It's one which is HEAVILY modifed and looks NOTHING like the OVS plugin upstream.20:10
jog0but works for 18k nodes in one deplyoment20:10
jog0mestery: right, but why not get that merged20:10
mesteryThere are some interesting things with Bluehost, I hope they can upstream their agent changes.20:10
russellbjog0: that's the problem, they had to rewrite it20:11
mesteryjog0: Ask them, I did, and the answer I got was very surprising.20:11
roaetWe have plugins that work at scale but it's very specific due to the limitations of the neutron platform20:11
jog0from what they tell me it has feature parity with nova-net20:11
mesteryI think folks should go and ask the Bluehost folks these questions frankly.20:11
jog0mestery: I asked them20:11
mesteryI volunteered to help them get their plugin upstream during Icehouse so lets see.20:11
mesteryMostly I think it's agent-side changes.20:11
enikanorovmestery: unfortunately i'm really lacking deployment experience, but what i heard from different engineers saying about different parts of OS, that it's scaling ability is quite... limited at this moment20:11
mesteryenikanorov: :)20:12
jog0mestery: the answer I got was it wasn't a SDN plugin and plitics about agent20:12
mesteryjog0: That's not hte answer I got. :)20:12
mesteryjog0: Anyways, it's moot until it's upstream.20:13
mesteryReally hoping I can make that happen with them.20:13
russellbenikanorov: people are deploying nova out of the box at thousands, or 10s of thousands of nodes scale20:13
russellbpeople are deploying swift at massive scale20:13
russellband the other services to support them20:13
russellbneutron has to match that20:13
russellband not hacked up to hell custom neutron20:13
russellb:)20:14
enikanorovrussellb: agree20:14
* mestery agrees with russellb.20:14
jog0mestery: here is there code from when they opened it https://github.com/JunPark/quantum20:14
jog0not sure if thats there latest20:15
anteayajog0: these were the reviews you shared with me: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/owner:%2522Jun+Park%2522,n,z20:16
jog0anteaya: ohh right20:18
jog0anteaya: I'm not sure if I am missing any there20:18
anteayafair enough20:18
anteayaso did we just agree that neutron needs to scale?20:19
mestery3 out of those 4 are abandoned, none of them are specific to the Bluehost plugin.20:19
_cerberus_anteaya: I'm late to the conversation, but I certainly agree20:19
jog0mestery: yeah ...20:19
anteaya_cerberus_: thanks for joining in20:19
_cerberus_I'm not sure "+1" is joining in, but I'm certainly willing to +1 it all ;-)20:20
anteayathanks20:21
anteayagood to have your vote20:21
anteaya_cerberus_: are you working on anything -neutron related currently?20:21
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anteayasorry I don't know your work20:21
_cerberus_anteaya: rackspace, writing one of those aforementioned plugin replacements to make things scale ;-)20:22
anteaya_cerberus_: well scaling is good20:22
anteaya_cerberus_: do you know roaet?20:22
roaetanteaya: i work with _cerberus_ and brought him in20:22
_cerberus_anteaya: yeah, same team20:22
anteayaawesome20:22
anteayaso yes20:22
anteayawonderful20:22
anteayaplease get management to free the 2 of you up for help with testing please20:23
roaet_cerberus_: talking to uma right now about it20:23
roaetwe have an agenda item for it on wednesday20:23
anteayaif you need some helping getting them to here the need let me know and I will source the information required20:23
anteayaroaet: good20:23
anteayaand thank you for understanding the situation so clearly20:23
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peristeriDoes anyone know how to stop a lb-create-pool that is in constant PENDING_CREATE?20:25
_cerberus_I'd say we understand problems like these intimately, as we've deployed bleeding edge and we're trying to make it :-)20:25
enikanorovperisteri: what does mean 'stop' ?20:25
anteaya_cerberus_: wonderful20:26
anteaya-neutron meeting in #openstack-meeting in 34 minutes20:26
peristeriI try lb-pool-delete a pool that is set PENDING_CREATE and it waits indefinitely for the pool finish creating itself.20:27
enikanorovperisteri: what version of code are you using?20:27
peristeriI'm on devstack.20:28
enikanorovso i assume it is fresh trunk?20:28
enikanorovthat's strange. how do you repro this?20:28
peristeriyes20:28
peristeriI created a pool on horizon. with:20:29
peristeri+--------------------------------------+---------+----------+-----------+----------+----------------+----------------+20:29
peristeri| id                                   | name    | provider | lb_method | protocol | admin_state_up | status         |20:29
peristeri+--------------------------------------+---------+----------+-----------+----------+----------------+----------------+20:29
peristeri| 73516c24-e20a-4d5f-9ff7-77886bbb94aa | vserver | haproxy  | SOURCE_IP | HTTPS    | True           | PENDING_CREATE |20:29
peristeri+--------------------------------------+---------+----------+-----------+----------+----------------+----------------+20:29
enikanorovok, it will be in PENDING_CREATE until you attach a vip to it20:30
enikanorovbut it's possible to delete the pool which is in PENDING_CREATE20:31
roaetanteaya: we'll try to help however we can, I'll keep in touch, but won't have much to update until our team meeting wednesday20:31
enikanorovalthought horizon will not update pool list page automatically20:31
peristeriI tried and it waits indefinitely.20:31
peristeri*attaching a vips20:31
enikanorovis lbaas agent running?20:32
peristeriyes.20:32
enikanorovdoes logs look like it's running some commands?20:32
enikanorovi mean creating devices, starting haproxy, etc20:32
enikanorov*does lbaas agent logs20:33
anteayaperisteri: please use paste.openstack.org for code20:33
anteayaroaet: thank you so much20:33
anteayaroaet: sounds great to me20:33
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peristerithe logs are not showing any activity of creating a pool20:34
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enikanorovperisteri: does lbaas agent write anything about 'periodic tasks'?20:36
peristerino, there's no log entries that have 'periodic tasks'20:38
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pcm_Neutronites... is there a way to have a security group policy that allow egress traffic from any source to any destination?21:08
anteayapcm_: current we are in a meeting21:11
anteayasomeone might be able to respond in an hour21:11
anteaya*currently21:12
pcm_anteaya: Crap, I didn't realize it was now. Thanks!21:12
anteayanp21:12
anteayawelcome to join in21:12
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pcm_yes will do. I thought it was at 5pm EST. Forgot about DST change.21:15
mesteryForgot the time change eh pcm_? :)21:17
openstackgerritArmando Migliaccio proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Catch PortNotFound exception during get_dhcp_port  https://review.openstack.org/5704321:18
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openstackgerritSean M. Collins proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Create a new attribute for subnets, to store v6 dhcp options  https://review.openstack.org/5298322:03
openstackgerritArmando Migliaccio proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Catch PortNotFound exception during get_dhcp_port  https://review.openstack.org/5704322:03
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b3nt_pincrap crap crap ... I guess the meeting is no longer at 6:30 NDT..22:10
openstackgerritArmando Migliaccio proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Catch PortNotFound exception during get_dhcp_port  https://review.openstack.org/5704322:13
openstackgerritstephen-ma proposed a change to openstack/neutron: DHCP port without DHCP server on a network node  https://review.openstack.org/5674022:19
marunpcm_: re your security group policy question, isn't all egress allowed by the default group?22:24
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openstackgerritArmando Migliaccio proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Catch PortNotFound exception during get_dhcp_port  https://review.openstack.org/5704322:58
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