Friday, 2014-06-27

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openstackgerritArmando Migliaccio proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Add L3 Extension for Distributed Routers  https://review.openstack.org/8422300:24
openstackgerritArmando Migliaccio proposed a change to openstack/neutron: L2 Model additions to support DVR  https://review.openstack.org/10210100:24
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openstackgerritHenry Gessau proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Use correct MAX_LEN constand in agent functional tests  https://review.openstack.org/10300002:16
openstackgerritHenry Gessau proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Use correct MAX_LEN constant in agent functional tests  https://review.openstack.org/10300002:17
HenryGmarun: ping02:18
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marunHenryG: pong03:03
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HenryGmarun: do the functional tests run in any of the gates?03:13
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marunHenryG: yes03:13
marunHenryG: neutron-dsvm-functional?03:13
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HenryGmarun: hmmmm. That looks like a full devstack run. I was think more like "tox -e functional"03:15
marunHenryG: that works too03:15
marunHenryG: but some tests will be skipped because of missing dependencies03:15
HenryGmarun: OK. I am wondering why this was not caught:  https://review.openstack.org/10300003:16
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HenryGmarun: I do see that you must set OS_SUDO_TESTING=1 to pronvoke it03:17
openstackgerritArmando Migliaccio proposed a change to openstack/neutron: L2 Model additions to support DVR  https://review.openstack.org/10210103:19
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/neutron: Add config for performance gate job  https://review.openstack.org/9780303:22
HenryGmarun: So I guess my question is, does any gate do the equivalent of "OS_SUDO_TESTING=1 tox -e functional"?03:22
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/neutron: Exit rpc_loop when SIGTERM is recieved in ovs-agent  https://review.openstack.org/10251903:22
openstackgerritAaron Knister proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Decrement rules_index for duplicate chains  https://review.openstack.org/8995203:24
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marunHenryG: as far as I know, yees.03:31
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HenryGmarun: Well then it should be failing, because that constant doesn't exist.03:32
marunHenryG: looking at the test report, I see 4 skips03:33
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marunHenryG: http://logs.openstack.org/00/103000/2/check/check-neutron-dsvm-functional/22d6528/console.html03:33
marunHenryG: that definitely didn't use to be the case so something has changed03:33
marunHenryG: *sigh*03:34
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marunHenryG: I don't see any indication as to why the skips are happening though.03:35
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/python-neutronclient: Updated from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/9626703:36
HenryGmarun: where do I find the scripts for the gates?03:36
marunHenryG: https://github.com/openstack-infra/config/blob/master/modules/openstack_project/files/jenkins_job_builder/config/neutron-functional.yaml03:37
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HenryGmarun: I am not very good at this, but I think sudo doesn't inherit env vars?03:42
HenryGOr maybe it does.03:45
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/python-neutronclient: debug level logs should not be translated  https://review.openstack.org/9333004:28
openstackgerritAkihiro Motoki proposed a change to openstack/python-neutronclient: Suppress outputs in test_cli20_nsx_networkgateway  https://review.openstack.org/8232104:34
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yfriedsalv-orlando: here?04:40
yfriedgkotton: ping04:40
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/neutron: remove unsupported middleware  https://review.openstack.org/10296104:55
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/neutron: Fixed dhcp & gateway ip conflict in PLUMgrid plugin  https://review.openstack.org/10265405:01
enikanorovSumitNaiksatam: nati_ueno: could you please review Mark's flavor proposal?05:02
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SumitNaiksatamenikanorov: hey05:07
SumitNaiksatamenikanorov: will do05:07
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/python-neutronclient: Switch over to mox3  https://review.openstack.org/7322605:55
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/neutron: ofagent: Use port desc to monitor ports on br-int  https://review.openstack.org/10040406:01
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openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Imported Translations from Transifex  https://review.openstack.org/10274206:08
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openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Updated from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/10303106:33
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shadyabhiHi everyone, had a basic question regarding veth interfaces in neutron when using OVS + VLANs. How do I list the name of veth interface related to a particular instance. For ex, I can see all relevant interfaces using using neutron port-list's output (first few characters of any port like http://pb.abhijeetr.com/bNVB.06:58
shadyabhiBut, how do I know which veth is attaching qvb and qvo interface?06:58
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shadyabhiDoes it have a name like we have for linux bridges and ovs bridges?06:59
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salv-orlandoyfried: I’m here07:25
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openstackgerritMurali Birru proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Add L3 Scheduler Changes for Distributed Routers  https://review.openstack.org/8969407:38
openstackgerritRui Zang proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Initial functional test case for IptablesManager  https://review.openstack.org/10274907:41
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openstackgerritIWAMOTO Toshihiro proposed a change to openstack/neutron-specs: Add l3-agent-consolidation spec  https://review.openstack.org/9153208:27
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/neutron: Use correct MAX_LEN constant in agent functional tests  https://review.openstack.org/10300009:09
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openstackgerritCedric Brandily proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Improve vxlan type driver initialization performance  https://review.openstack.org/10198209:45
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openstackgerritRavindra Joshi proposed a change to openstack/neutron: description for "default" security group changed  https://review.openstack.org/10250910:17
openstackgerritsean mooney proposed a change to openstack/neutron: changes ovs agent to get bridges via ovs_lib  https://review.openstack.org/10196510:19
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openstackgerritIhar Hrachyshka proposed a change to openstack/neutron: VMWare: don't notify on disassociate_floatingips()  https://review.openstack.org/10121911:34
openstackgerritIhar Hrachyshka proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Avoid notifying while inside transaction opened in delete_port()  https://review.openstack.org/10093411:34
openstackgerritmouad benchchaoui proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Fix deletion of vlan interfaces  https://review.openstack.org/10281111:36
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openstackgerritRobert Kukura proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Group Policy Mapping API-1: EP, EPG, L2 Policy, L3 Policy  https://review.openstack.org/10071611:52
openstackgerritChristian Berendt proposed a change to openstack/python-neutronclient: Changed 'xml' to 'XML'  https://review.openstack.org/10310011:55
openstackgerritJakub Libosvar proposed a change to openstack/neutron: WIP: Add module providing icehouse models  https://review.openstack.org/10285711:55
openstackgerritRobert Kukura proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Group Policy Mapping API-1: EP, EPG, L2 Policy, L3 Policy  https://review.openstack.org/10071611:56
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openstackgerritChristian Berendt proposed a change to openstack/python-neutronclient: Changed 'json' to 'JSON'  https://review.openstack.org/10311612:38
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openstackgerritJakub Libosvar proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Add module providing icehouse models  https://review.openstack.org/10285712:54
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openstackgerritRobert Kukura proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Group Policy Mapping Plugin-1: EP, EPG, L2 Policy, L3 Policy  https://review.openstack.org/10195713:02
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menastress_Hi everyone, can somebody help me to understand how to implement ml2 plugin? I just don't know where to start.13:27
menastress_And is it appropriate place to ask such questions?13:29
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zzellemenastress_: for support, join #openstack13:43
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menastress_zzelle: okey, thank you.13:47
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marunHenryG: I was pretty tired last night, but I came to the same conclusion this morning that env variables weren't inherited.14:05
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HenryGmarun: OK. Is there a solution to that?14:06
enikanorov_menastress_: it's appropriate place, it's neutron development channel14:06
enikanorov_menastress_: probably you're looking how to implement ml2 mechanism driver. You should study how existing mechanism drivers API and how existing MD drivers are implemented14:07
marunHenryG: Prefixing the command with the environment variable should work14:07
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marunHenryG: e.g.  sudo -H -u stack OS_SUDO_TESTING=1 tox -e functional14:08
marunHenryG: I've been meaning to add an optional check to the functional tests that will fail instead of skip tests when set.14:11
marunHenryG: 'tox -e functional' should skip for developers when the flag isn't set, but should fail in the gate when the flag is set so that we don't regress like this accidentally14:12
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marunHenryG: Of course, setting the environment variable wouldn't have helped in this case if it were set outside of the sudo invocation14:13
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HenryGmarun: So what would work? A config option set by the gate?14:21
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menastress_enikanorov_: Okay, If, say, I would like to implement new OpenFlow controller as a plugin in neutron and implement that plugin as ml2 mechanism driver. Is it right decision or I should implement controller as standalone plugin?14:22
openstackgerritTerry Wilson proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Add sanity check for nova notification support  https://review.openstack.org/10261914:22
enikanorov_menastress_: i think implementing mechanism driver is preferable14:22
openstackgerritAndreas Jaeger proposed a change to openstack/python-neutronclient: Some edits for help strings  https://review.openstack.org/10314714:24
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marunHenryG: the sudo example I gate at 10:07 needs to be used in https://github.com/openstack-infra/config/blob/master/modules/openstack_project/files/jenkins_job_builder/config/neutron-functional.yaml14:26
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marunHenryG: gate -> gave14:26
ihrachyshkamenastress_: sorry for potentially dumb question, but how can it be aligned with existing OpenDaylight plugin?14:27
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/neutron: Synced log module and its dependencies from olso-incubator  https://review.openstack.org/10204414:30
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ihrachyshkamarun: hey! can we push that one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/100014/ and be done with oslo.messaging port? this is the last piece not merged yet.14:31
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HenryGmarun: OK, I misunderstood. For a moment there I though you were talking about two flags.14:31
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* HenryG needs more coffee.14:32
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openstackgerritJakub Libosvar proposed a change to openstack/python-neutronclient: Add option for retry number of connection attempts  https://review.openstack.org/9010414:34
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menastress_ihrachyshka: Well, now I'm just investigating possibilities and necessity of embedding a new controller, but if it will be justified it's will be a separate controller. That not depends on me.14:34
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openstackgerritJakub Libosvar proposed a change to openstack/python-neutronclient: Add option for retry number of connection attempts  https://review.openstack.org/9010414:37
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marunHenryG: I did mention another flag, and it would need to be set the same way.14:42
marunihrachyshka: sure14:42
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ihrachyshkamarun: tnx. what's the procedure after the last piece is merged? should mark it somewhere in neutron-specs repo as implemented? or is updating BP status in LP enough?14:48
ihrachyshkas/should/should we14:48
marunihrachyshka: I think the next step would be updating the bp14:49
marunihrachyshka: so far as I know there is no step involving the specs repo14:49
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ihrachyshkakk, thanks again14:49
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openstackgerritAndreas Jaeger proposed a change to openstack/python-neutronclient: Some edits for help strings  https://review.openstack.org/10314714:54
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mesteryihrachyshka: I've been marking BPs as implemented once the final patches land, but feel free to change it that way yourself as well. Thanks!15:01
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boris-42mestery hi16:02
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openstackgerritCarl Baldwin proposed a change to openstack/python-neutronclient: Remove strict checking of encryption type  https://review.openstack.org/9943716:10
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openstackgerritHenry Gessau proposed a change to openstack/neutron-specs: Support Router Advertisement Daemon (radvd) for IPv6  https://review.openstack.org/10130616:21
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marunHenryG: did you want to submit a fix for the functional job or should I?16:32
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aveigaHenryG: ping16:33
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HenryGmarun: I can give it a try. Good way to learn a bit more about the job.16:35
HenryGaveiga: pong16:35
marunHenryG: ok, please do.16:35
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aveigaHenryG: hey, I had a quick question re: RADVD spec.  Does it need to be altered to allow for config options for RA interval and lifetime settings?  I *really* don't want to set the work back, so if that's the case I'd rether let you push the spec for implementation and file a bug later.16:36
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HenryGaveiga: How about I say that "reasonable defaults" will be selected for the first implementation, and if config options need to be added then bugs can be filed for them?16:39
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aveigaHenryG: perfectly fine with that.  I don't want to prevent your progress any further as the spec looks good right now.  I'll consider this a feature request and wait until after you've got the working build down first16:39
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HenryGaveiga: thanks16:40
aveigaI would like to use radvd to implement the ipv6 floating ip feature without using NAT, and it requires turning the valid lifetimes down prett low.  Hoever, since that's a longer term feature I'll hold off for now16:40
aveigathanks for putting the spec togetherl it looks good16:41
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armaxenikanorov: ping16:42
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openstackgerritHenry Gessau proposed a change to openstack/neutron-specs: Support Router Advertisement Daemon (radvd) for IPv6  https://review.openstack.org/10130616:45
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HenryGaveiga: ^^ please check it16:46
aveigaabsolutely16:46
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HenryGaveiga: adding a config option would be a pretty quick process. I believe it could follow rapidly on the heels of the first commit.16:49
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aveigaHenryG: that's fine, but in the interest of progress first, faetures later I'd rather get this working now16:49
nlahoutiyamamoto: ping16:49
yamamoto?16:50
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nlahoutiyamamoto: hi. I have question regarding your review comments on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/89208/. I addressed them and was wondering if you have any other questions? As I still see -1.16:50
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HenryGaveiga: Even better would be an attribute for it/them in the API, so you could do it per subnet. But we should leave that till much later. Maybe the V3 API will have better support for that kind of thing.16:51
yamamotonlahouti: will take a look16:51
aveigaHenryG: yeah, I agree.  It's better there, but we've made enough major changes to the API for a bit.  It would be nice for some plugins to be able to alter those settings though, for things like rapid failover networks16:52
nlahoutiyamamoto: thx16:52
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openstackgerritSridhar Gaddam proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Exit Firewall Agent if config is invalid  https://review.openstack.org/9057516:53
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aveigaHenryG: +1'd, looks good17:01
HenryGaveiga: yay! thanks!17:01
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HenryGaveiga: ping sc68cal to +1 also if you bump into him17:02
aveigaHenryG: will do, though I think he may not be in the office today17:02
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openstackgerritmark mcclain proposed a change to openstack/neutron-specs: Introduce flavor framework for advance services  https://review.openstack.org/10272317:23
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SumitNaiksatamhey folks, we are discussing the flavors blueprints on -meeting-317:30
SumitNaiksatamplease join if you can17:30
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shivharisbanix Sukhdev: Hi18:08
banixhi18:09
shivhariswe are on in about 20 mins?18:09
banixshivharis: i think so; i will be available18:11
shivharisbanix: k18:11
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shivharisbanix: 11:30 pst, 2:30 est; TTYL18:12
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banixshivharis: sounds good18:12
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s3wongbanix: seems like you are multi-tasking...18:14
s3wong:-)18:15
banixs3wong: aren’t we all? :)18:15
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mandeepbanix: I am very poor in multi-tasking ...18:16
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banixmandeep: I can’t do it well either. I think there have been studies showing females are better than males in multi tasking; so i am blaming being male :)18:19
s3wongbanix: I am also on an ODL meeting now :-)18:19
mandeepI could not agree more!18:19
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arosen-homeHi, I'm wondering if anyone else has been fighting this issue with network-manager on systems that are newer than ubuntu 12.04. Network manager tries to control all your tap interfaces and tries to run dhcpclient on all of them?18:23
arosen-homeAnyone find a way to disable this behavior in network-manager? My current solution has been to not use network manager if i'm on wired ethernet to get around it but on wireless it's  kind of annoying.18:24
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openstackgerritCarl Baldwin proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Add L3 Scheduler Changes for Distributed Routers  https://review.openstack.org/8969418:32
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shivharisbanix: Sukdev will be delayed by 15 mins, delaying by that amount18:33
banixshivharis: ok18:33
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banixchuckC: ^^^18:36
shivharisbanix: sent email to chuckC18:37
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chuckCbanix: hi18:40
openstackgerritArmando Migliaccio proposed a change to openstack/neutron: L2 Models additions to support DVR  https://review.openstack.org/10210118:40
openstackgerritAaron Rosen proposed a change to openstack/neutron: example  https://review.openstack.org/10321218:41
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shivharisbanix Sukhdev chuckC: Hi18:47
banixshivharis: hi18:48
Sukhdevshivharis banix chuckC: Hello guys18:48
chuckCshivharis:18:48
chuckChi18:48
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shivharisdiscussing the bulk/sync feature for ML218:48
shivharisit appear that that are many uses cases due to errors in back ends18:49
openstackgerritCarl Baldwin proposed a change to openstack/neutron: RPC additions to support DVR  https://review.openstack.org/10233218:49
shivharisas Sukhdev pointed out the single source of truth needs to be the db18:49
shivharisyou all agree?18:50
banixshivharis: agree18:50
chuckCshivharis: yep18:50
shivharisso the goal should be to keep it sane all the time - and derive all operations out of it18:50
Sukhdevbanix shivharis chuckC: may I make a suggestion ?18:50
shivharisSukhdev: go for it18:50
SukhdevIn terms of agenda for this meeting - I am thinking lets cover two area:18:51
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Sukhdev1) The Bug at hand  - Bulk transactions - for which banix has some ideas18:51
openstackgerritSalvatore Orlando proposed a change to openstack/neutron: NSX: properly handle floating ip status  https://review.openstack.org/10321418:51
Sukhdev2) to discuss ML2 Sync - which I believe could solve all these issues from long term point of view18:52
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SukhdevDo you all agree with the agenda?18:52
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banixSukhdev: yes, i think these can be dealt with separately18:52
openstackgerritCarl Baldwin proposed a change to openstack/neutron: ML2 additions to support DVR  https://review.openstack.org/10239818:52
shivharisI was was proceeding with 2 followed by 1, I am ok with 1 then 218:52
shivharisbanix: your floor18:53
banixeven with 2) in hand, 1) needs to be dealt with18:53
SukhdevSo, if we all agree, then I wanted to give banix some time to explain what he had in his mind regarding the bug18:53
openstackgerritCarl Baldwin proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Add L3 Scheduler Changes for Distributed Routers  https://review.openstack.org/8969418:53
Sukhdevthen we will jump into the sync discussion - and tie these two together18:53
banixwell, the bug can dealt with assuming for now there is no need for sync; let me quickly explain18:54
banixthe main issue with the bug is the fact that postcommit ops are called from within a transaction18:54
banixthe issue of undoing an operation dure to a mechanism driver failing is there regardless of bulk ops18:55
banixagree?18:55
shivharisagree18:56
SukhdevYes - with you so far18:56
chuckCyep18:56
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banixso we need the sync for bulks and non bulks…. we can deal with the ‘transaction” part of the bug now as we work on the sync18:56
banixto deal with this “transaction” aspect of the bug, i think the solution is not difficult18:57
shivharisso what are we suggesting?18:58
banixwe need to have the bulk_create ops in ml2 plugin and bring out the postcommits from the transaction18:58
shivhariswe fix the transaction first18:58
shivharis?18:58
banixshivharis: i think we can work on these two at the same time18:58
shivharisok18:58
banixshivharis: without sync, we will have a partial bug fix18:59
shivharisbanix: i agree there18:59
banixwhich will put us in a place we are with respect to non bulk ops18:59
SukhdevIf you take out post-commit from transaction, do you not loose atomiticy of the operation?18:59
banixi meant with the partial fix non bulks and bulks will be in a similar state18:59
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banixSukhdev: we have to undo the ops19:00
Sukhdevbanix: I have couple of questions - for clarification19:00
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Sukhdevrkukura mentioned in the meeting other day that the bulk operations are handled at the layer above (in REST layer)19:01
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Sukhdevbanix: I have not looked at the code, but, do you see the code in ML2 Plugin where we support bulk operations?19:01
banixSukhdev: in the db layer19:02
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banixSukhdev: not in ml2 plugin as we simply use it from the db mixin19:02
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Sukhdevbanix: I see19:02
shivharisbanix: i find reversing ops discomforting :-( and here is why...19:02
banixSukhdev: need to have it (add it) to ml2 plugin19:02
Sukhdevbanix: So, Neutron supports bulk operations, but ML2 does not - is that correct assesment?19:03
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shivharisout of 10 backend ops 1 may fail, you plan to back off the entire db operation of 10 and then reverse 9 backends?19:03
banixSukhdev: ml2 suppports it but has no code for it; used the db mixin code19:03
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banixs/used/uses/19:04
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Sukhdevshivharis: in the true spirit of bulk operation, the answer is yes19:04
Sukhdevbanix: I see - I got you19:04
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banixSukhdev: yes that is the main difficulty and the main question as how to do it; i think we may leave this to the sync time19:05
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banixshivharis: ^^^19:05
Sukhdevbanix: So, you suggest by taking post-commit out of transaction solves this?19:05
banixi think it may be fine for the partial bug fix not to deal with this19:05
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banixSukhdev: yeah; it will be a partial fix19:06
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Sukhdevbanix: I see19:06
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shivharisbanix: can u walk the steps of the partial bug fix19:07
Sukhdevbanix: and this is needed to support sync operation as well19:07
banixsure:19:07
banixadd bulk-create-* to ml2 plugin code in which:19:08
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banixhere we have a couple of options but one is to do all the precommits in one transaction19:08
banixthen do the post commits19:08
banixand leave the undoing if a mech driver fails to the sync fix19:09
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Sukhdevbanix: In principal this makes sense - only risk is if MLs are doing any funky stuff (back-end stuff) in pre-commit() calls19:10
banixSukhdev: this would be similar to what may happen in a non bulk operation as well. right?19:10
Sukhdevbanix: correct19:11
Sukhdevbanix: I do not want derail this discussion - I think you are on the correct path - please keep going19:11
banixand our solution for that has been the “sync” operation19:11
banixSukhdev: that’s eessentially it; the part specifc to bulk operations is the easier part; the difficult part is the “sync” operation19:12
chuckCAn exposure here is if a user does something during post-commit process that makes undo-ing a failed transaction impossible.19:12
Sukhdevbanix: I think the fix you mentioned can be implemented quickly19:12
banixSukhdev: yes19:12
Sukhdevbanix: I suggest we close the older bug and open a new one - just for this fix19:13
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chuckCbut I don't see a way around it19:14
Sukhdevbanix shivharis chuckC: do you agree?19:14
banixSukhdev: that would be fine but i think the current bug focuses on this simpler issue19:14
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shivharisi am thinking..19:14
Sukhdevbanix: I thought the current bug is looking for reversing the transactions - no?19:14
Sukhdevshivharis: thinking is good :-)19:15
banixwe need a bug or better yet a spec for sync and when that is in we can have bugs opened for non bulk and bulk operations19:15
banixSukhdev: difficult to know for sure but the description refers to having the post commits being executed in a transaction19:15
Sukhdevbanix: Yes, I have google doc for the sync operation - we can convert it to the spec19:15
Sukhdevbanix: OK - I take your word for it...19:16
banixchuckC: yes we have a similar issue with a single operation where one or more but not all mech drivers fail19:17
chuckCbanix: agree19:17
Sukhdevbanix: shivharis is thinking - let him finish his thought process, if we have agreement, then we can deal with the bug part later19:17
shivhariswhat if the bulk op is several 1000, post_commit may be in for a long ride19:17
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Sukhdevshivharis: I think when we add code to ML2 plugin, we could create buckets of 10 each or something like that19:18
shivharisat least the db and the state of the switch will match..19:18
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banixshivharis: that is possible; i think one approach would be not supporting bulk operations at all which is not reasonable imo19:19
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shivharisif a post commit fails at 999 the operation you will have to reverse 998 ops19:19
shivharisand then the db19:20
shivhariss/the/th/19:20
Sukhdevshivharis: no, per this fix which banix is proposing, there will be no reversal19:20
Sukhdevshivharis: we have to rely on the sync to take care of the failures19:20
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banixshivharis: sync would try to sync19:20
shivharisyou are at the agenda item 2?19:21
shivharisthat is the sync you are refering to?19:21
banixshivharis: you pushed us there :) yes19:21
shivharis:-)19:21
shivharisok, then i am on board19:22
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banixcool19:22
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banixSukhdev: do you have a link for you bp for sync?19:22
SukhdevCool - so, before we get into 2) are we in agreement on 1) ?19:22
Sukhdevbanix: let me look - hang on19:22
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banixi think so.19:23
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Sukhdevshivharis chuckC : ?19:23
chuckCyes19:23
shivharisok19:23
shivharismove on19:23
SukhdevCool - thanks19:24
Sukhdevbanix: I assume you will take the lead in putting together the fix?19:24
Sukhdevbanix: we can help and review19:24
banixSukhdev: sure will do19:24
Sukhdevbanix: thanks a ton19:24
banixSukhdev: sounds good19:24
shivharisbanix: thanks19:24
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banixnp19:25
SukhdevHere is the link to the sync spec https://docs.google.com/document/d/17fATwZkJEonH0pIb1-mPD0UB5RKnJzcHYqkBesJhirE/edit19:25
SukhdevSee if you guys can open it19:25
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shivharisyes can open19:25
SukhdevIn terms of Sync - here is my suggestion:19:26
shivhariswho initiated the time?19:26
shivharistimer?19:26
SukhdevWe need to do the following (see if you agree)19:26
Sukhdev1) Lets understand it19:26
Sukhdev2) Lets discuss it, and debate it19:27
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Sukhdev3) See if there are better way to do things - bob has an idea which he commented19:27
Sukhdev4) Once we agree in principal (the way we did for item 1), then we plan the work19:28
banixsounds good19:28
Sukhdev5) Planning of the work items will be to convert this doc into the spec - we already have BP for this19:28
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SukhdevSo, basically there are two approaches -19:29
SukhdevOne is to re-sync the transactions that fail19:30
SukhdevSecond is we do the whole sync always19:30
SukhdevFirst approach is very targetted and will be very efficient19:30
SukhdevSecond approach helps the MDs who come and join in the middle of transactions - it will always throw things at all MDs that is in the DB19:31
SukhdevSecond approach can be heavy handed, but, does have benefits (Bob presented me with some benefits - and listed in the doc)19:32
SukhdevIn order to make second approach efficient, we may need to support bulk operations -19:33
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SukhdevThe first approach is documented and described in details. The second approach is mentioned as comments by Bob19:33
shivharisdo sematics of bulk say "do all or nothing"?19:34
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Sukhdevshivharis: not really -19:34
Sukhdevshivharis: the idea is19:34
SukhdevIf I need to throw 100 transactions at all MDs - that could take a long time19:35
SukhdevI can send all 100 at one time - either it is a sucess or failure19:35
banixshivharis: yes19:35
banixit is supposed to be atomic. all or nothing19:36
Sukhdevif failures, I will resend it until success is returned19:36
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openstackgerritKyle Mestery proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Add advsvc role to neutron policy file  https://review.openstack.org/10128119:36
Sukhdevthis way - I do not block all other MDs19:36
shivharisbanix: that was my assumption19:36
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shivharisdepending on sematics the ops are different, we may have to support both approaches19:37
banixi think Sukhdev is talking about a different bulk operation19:37
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banixbulk ops wrt the resync. not the Neutron bulk operations19:37
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SukhdevWe do not have to have bulk operation - in initial implementation we can do one transaction at a time -19:38
Sukhdevit wil only take a bit longer19:38
SukhdevWe could use a hybrid approach (combining one and two) -19:38
shivharisneed to leave in 10mins, lets wrap up19:39
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SukhdevWe will push the full sync (which is two) - and if any fails, we will use the targetted sync (which is first)19:39
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Sukhdevshivharis: we can take it up later - this will give us all opportunity to think a bit more19:40
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SukhdevI will suggest read the document, digest it, come up with corner cases/ issues and lets discuss again19:41
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banixagree19:41
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mesteryHey salv-orlando, wanted to follow up with you on this review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/101281/19:41
SukhdevNo need to rush into it - this will be a huge contribution to ML219:41
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SukhdevWe can pick it up in the ML2 meeting on Wednesday -19:42
banixok19:42
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SukhdevAnd, perhaps have a targetted separate meeting like this19:42
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Sukhdevbanix shivharis chuckC: So, are we good?19:43
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chuckCyes19:43
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banixSukhdev: yes, bye all for now19:43
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Sukhdevbye - and thank you guys19:43
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Sukhdevmarkmcclain: Ping19:46
shivharishello.. got disconnected..19:47
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shivhariswhat did i miss?19:47
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Sukhdevshivharis: no worries we were done - no, you did not miss anything19:47
markmcclainSukhdev: ping19:47
Sukhdevmarkmcclain: I saw you comment on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/97125/ and wanted to19:48
Sukhdevmarkmcclain: explain and reach a common ground19:48
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markmcclainsure.. what are your thoughts?19:49
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Sukhdevmarkmcclain: I mention 501 as Salvatore suggested to mention it. However, your other comment about floating IP support - we do not really intend to support - not initially19:49
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Sukhdevmarkmcclain: wanted to see how do you suggest I word it which will satisfy the requirements19:50
markmcclainhmm.. floating IPs are somethings that's been a required feature of the l3 extension (and plugin)19:51
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markmcclainand we've always maintained that when an extension is implemented it must be implemented in full19:52
Sukhdevmarkmcclain: Initially, we do not intend to do any NAT stuff19:52
markmcclainwell the unit tests will need refactoring19:52
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markmcclainbecause you will not be able to pass them19:52
markmcclainhttp://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/neutron/tree/neutron/tests/unit/test_l3_plugin.py#n63919:53
markmcclainthe base case has NAT enabled19:54
Sukhdevmarkmcclain: Instead of 501 - if I returned pass on these features, will that work (Now, I am thinking out loud)19:54
Sukhdevmarkmcclain: this spec is similar to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/95910/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/89608/19:55
markmcclainalternatively you could implement the class adding skips versus silent passes19:55
markmcclainok.. so this is really bubbling a larger discussion19:55
markmcclainwhich should we allow 501s19:55
Sukhdevmarkmcclain: yes, that is an idea19:55
markmcclain501s result incompatible APIs from cloud to cloud19:56
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Sukhdevmarkmcclain: So, if I pull out 501 and mention that we will implement a class adding skips - will that be acceptable?19:57
markmcclainno because the API will still fail19:57
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openstackgerritCarl Baldwin proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Add L3 Scheduler Changes for Distributed Routers  https://review.openstack.org/8969419:57
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markmcclainSukhdev: tempest for 3rd party CI will fail due to floating:19:58
markmcclainhttp://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/tempest/tree/tempest/scenario/test_network_advanced_server_ops.py19:58
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markmcclainmestery: ^^^19:59
* mestery looks19:59
markmcclainmestery: 501s and partial implementations19:59
markmcclaintraditionally we have not allowed partial implementations because the API is no longer portable19:59
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mesterymarkmcclain: Agreed on that front19:59
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Sukhdevmarkmcclain: now I am confused :-) so, if I returned pass for unsupported API (instead of 501) - that should satisfy the APIs, no?20:00
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markmcclainSukhdev: expect for the end user will think it works when it does not20:05
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Sukhdevmarkmcclain: I see your point - there are two issues, 1) what to return to the users 2) to satisfy the tests APIs20:06
markmcclainSukhdev: yes and we're boxed in by the fact that the v2 version for l3 requires floating too20:07
Sukhdevmarkmcclain: Customers (when running this plugin) will know these functions are not supported - hence would be expected to know the behavior20:07
Sukhdevmarkmcclain: on the second point - to keep tests and CI's happy, if we returned pass, that should meet the requirement20:08
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markmcclainSukhdev: I prefer explicit skips20:08
markmcclainbecause those are logged20:08
Sukhdevmarkmcclain: But, I thought you mentioned, if I implemented skips, the APIs will fail20:09
markmcclainI do think we're going to need to have to the larger discussion re 501s20:09
markmcclaincinder has a similarly strict requirement as we have20:09
markmcclainskips for the UT test20:09
Sukhdevmarkmcclain: Shall I ask mestery to put it on next meeting's agenda20:09
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markmcclainbut tempest testing will probably still fail20:10
markmcclainbecause it will try floating IP operations20:10
Sukhdevmarkmcclain: what if returned pass and also logged it?20:10
Sukhdevmarkmcclain: this plugin will run in a very controlled environment (with full vendor support) and full explanation of capabilities -20:11
markmcclaintest would fail because API would not respond correctly20:11
markmcclainSukhdev: ack20:12
Sukhdevmarkmcclain: and If I can meet the CI requirements to ensure that they are happy, we should be good, right?20:12
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markmcclainSukhdev: the problem is not deployment but policies for code we allow to merge into tree20:12
Sukhdevmarkmcclain: with you 100%, hence, trying to see middle ground :-)20:13
Sukhdevmarkmcclain: s/see/seek20:13
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zzelleSukhdev, markmcclain, if i can share my experience on the topic20:15
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markmcclainzzelle: sure20:16
zzelleSukhdev, markmcclain, we internally did define an API and two implementations using 2 backends20:16
zzellethe first fully implement the API, the 2nd not (mainly because of backend current limitations)20:17
zzelleat first, we choose the 2nd should fully implement the API but mock unsupported features ...20:18
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zzelleit ends in a mess, because we add lots of unhappy users because they do not understand what was mocked and what they should expect20:19
markmcclainzzelle: was going to ask the response :)20:19
zzellefinally, the change to the 501 approach, now20:19
zzelleoups20:20
zzellefinally, we change to the 501 approach => no more troubles, because it is explicit20:20
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zzellefor functional tests, we choose to skip at test runtimes to skip and log tests with 50120:21
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markmcclainyeah explicit is always good20:22
zzellethe lesson we learn explicit is better than implicit20:22
markmcclainSukhdev: I think you should proceed so that you can solve your customer's needs20:22
zzelle:) (python style)20:22
mesterymarkmcclain: +120:23
Sukhdevmarkmcclain: Thanks - you have to bless it then20:23
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markmcclainI think late July we should circle back whether we as a community want to change the rules accept partial implementations in the tree or redefine parts of the api to allow 501s in certain cases20:23
Sukhdevmarkmcclain: I agree20:24
markmcclain(reason for deferring to late july is there is a lot on the team's plate right now)20:24
Sukhdevmarkmcclain: or alternatively this could be discussed in Paris summit - if you prefer20:24
markmcclainSukhdev: that too20:25
Sukhdevmarkmcclain: for the spec to move forward, do you want to make any changes?20:27
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markmcclainSukhdev: the spec itself is fine, but it won't get approved for Juno due to the 50120:28
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markmcclainthat doesn't mean you can't write the code20:28
Sukhdevmarkmcclain: that is half cooked :-)20:29
RaginBajinI am having some problems with getting our networking back up.  We just upgraded from Grizzly to Havana and made the move to Neutron.  It seems now we are having sporadic issues with servers not getting DHCP at all. All the process seem to be running, nothing is throwing out any errors.20:29
Sukhdevmarkmcclain: What if took zzelle's approach to get around the issue? This will create a lot of work for me, but, will be able to get into Juno20:30
RaginBajinI can do a tcpdump on all the devices and see the traffic go from one to another from the hardware interfaces (eth1, etc) but still nothing is responding. It seems we keep getting some to work and then others will start to fail20:30
markmcclainSukhdev: I don't like the mocking for zzelle's reason20:30
Sukhdevmarkmcclain: me neither - but, how do I make it into Juno?20:31
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markmcclainthat's why I was thinking we could revisit the discussion in late july20:32
markmcclainit should not hold you up on implementing20:32
markmcclainjust merging into tree20:32
Sukhdevmarkmcclain: I see -20:32
markmcclainand the consensus is we can't merge you'll have code that you can ship to customers20:32
Sukhdevmarkmcclain: I will have mestery put it on the agenda for not next meeting, but the following meeting20:34
Sukhdevmarkmcclain: On July 7th20:35
markmcclainSukhdev: that's mid-cycle sprint and then I think the next time mestery and I will be around will late July20:35
Sukhdevmarkmcclain: oops my bad - as soon as I typed it came to me :-)20:35
Sukhdevmarkmcclain: I will be there in the sprint as well20:36
markmcclainawesome20:36
boris-42markmcclain thanks for review=)20:36
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Sukhdevmarkmcclain: perhaps discuss when we are all drunk (over drinks) :-)20:36
boris-42markmcclain what do you think will be it possible to add profiling support in Juno in Neutron?20:36
markmcclainboris-42: you're welcome sorry it took so long.. my queue is way to deep right now20:37
markmcclainboris-42: I'd like to see us get functional parity in first20:37
boris-42markmcclain it's just small patch that actually adds middleware + initialization20:37
boris-42markmcclain btw should I make spec for profiler?20:38
boris-42markmcclain cause it's just really small patch20:38
markmcclainbug20:39
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mestery+1 for bug20:42
mesteryboris-42: I think I had given that advice too :)20:42
boris-42mestery markmcclain  thanks guys=)20:42
boris-42markmcclain mestery you are saving a lot of my time=)20:42
mesteryboris-42: We're all about saving time /cc markmcclain20:42
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/neutron: Pass newly created router to _update_router_gw_info  https://review.openstack.org/10151721:36
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/neutron: Add sanity check for nova notification support  https://review.openstack.org/10261922:06
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openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Updated from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/10303122:09
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/neutron: Updated neutron.conf to reflect new RPC options  https://review.openstack.org/10001423:13
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openstackgerritKevin Benton proposed a change to openstack/neutron-specs: Add spec for Big Switch Tenant Name tracking  https://review.openstack.org/10326823:21
openstackgerritKevin Benton proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Big Switch: Pass tenant names to backend  https://review.openstack.org/10326923:23
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