Monday, 2014-08-04

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openstackgerritnlahouti proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Support for extensions in ML2  https://review.openstack.org/8921100:46
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/neutron: NSX: Correct default timeout params  https://review.openstack.org/10649402:17
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openstackgerritRobert Kukura proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Group Policy Mapping API-1: EP, EPG, L2 Policy, L3 Policy  https://review.openstack.org/10071603:02
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nlahoutiHi All, How to submit code for review if the patch depends on other patch under review? based on Gerrit wiki 'git review -d $PARENT_CHANGE_NUMBER' should be used but it doesn't work.03:11
nlahoutiAny help appreciated.03:11
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openstackgerritYAMAMOTO Takashi proposed a change to openstack/neutron: ofagent: Remove network_delete method  https://review.openstack.org/11018803:13
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openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Updated from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/11152503:24
openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed a change to openstack/python-neutronclient: Updated from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/11163103:28
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yamamotonlahouti: how doesn't it work?  it has worked for me.03:35
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nlahoutiyamamoto: I created a directory and used that command and don't see anything exist locally.03:36
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nlahoutiyamamoto: Am I missing any step?03:37
yamamotonlahouti: you should do it in a working tree03:37
openstackgerritRobert Kukura proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Group Policy Mapping DB-1: EP, EPG, L2 Policy, L3 Policy  https://review.openstack.org/10179503:38
nlahoutiyamamoto: should I clone first?03:38
yamamotonlahouti: yes03:39
nlahoutiyamamoto: and then the git review -d ....03:39
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yamamotonlahouti: yes.  you need "Project Setup" step on the wiki first.03:41
openstackgerritfumihiko kakuma proposed a change to openstack/neutron: OFAgent: Implement arp responder  https://review.openstack.org/9418303:43
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nlahoutiyamamoto: thx for the info. I'm trying it now.03:45
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openstackgerritRobert Kukura proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Group Policy Mapping Plugin-1: EP, EPG, L2 Policy, L3 Policy  https://review.openstack.org/10195703:49
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openstackgerritRobert Kukura proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Group Policy: Implicit Policy Driver  https://review.openstack.org/10472703:54
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openstackgerritRobert Kukura proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Group Policy: Resource Mapping Driver  https://review.openstack.org/10527204:23
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openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Imported Translations from Transifex  https://review.openstack.org/11154706:04
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openstackgerritIsaku Yamahata proposed a change to openstack/neutron: l3_db: refactor L3_NAT_DB_mixin  https://review.openstack.org/10872806:32
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openstackgerritPraneet Bachheti proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Opencontrail plug-in implementation for core resources  https://review.openstack.org/9663007:07
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openstackgerritfumihiko kakuma proposed a change to openstack/neutron: OFAgent: Implement arp responder  https://review.openstack.org/9418307:09
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openstackgerritPreeti Mirji proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Admin should not be able to use tenant's rule  https://review.openstack.org/10895207:13
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openstackgerritIsaku Yamahata proposed a change to openstack/neutron: l3_db: refactor L3_NAT_DB_mixin  https://review.openstack.org/10872807:32
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kryptowhat is the need of ebtable rule to block arp request/response of ip address assigned on bridge?08:14
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openstackgerritJohn Schwarz proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Allow filtering routers by network-ids  https://review.openstack.org/11158008:19
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openstackgerritIsaku Yamahata proposed a change to openstack/neutron: l3_db: refactor L3_NAT_DB_mixin  https://review.openstack.org/10872808:34
enikanorov__ihrachyshka__: hey, could you please approve a patch to stable: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/110642/08:36
ihrachyshka__enikanorov_we're in stable freeze now, so we need to ask for permission to push it in stable maint ML08:38
ihrachyshka__enikanorov__: see '[openstack-dev] Preparing for 2014.1.2 -- branches freeze Aug 7' in openstack-dev08:39
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enikanorov__ihrachyshka__: thanks for letting me know. should I ask the permission in that thread?08:39
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ihrachyshka__enikanorov__: no, you should use openstack-stable-maint@lists.openstack.org08:40
ihrachyshka__enikanorov__: + 'above relates only to freeze08:40
ihrachyshka__exceptions for critical issues which must be raised and discussed on08:40
ihrachyshka__openstack-stable-maint list. Hopefully there won't be any.'08:40
ihrachyshka__meaning, only critical stuff is now allowed in08:40
enikanorov__well, ironically, the issue is quite critical08:40
ihrachyshka__so you should provide details on why it's that way08:40
enikanorov__yep, i can do that08:40
ihrachyshka__np, just letting you know :_08:40
enikanorov__so, the thing is that quite important migration has never been run for the default opensource core plugin (ML2)08:41
enikanorov__but it always worked in the gate because of LBaaS plugin08:41
enikanorov__that triggered it08:41
enikanorov__so any deployment, that doesn't use lbaas... ...08:41
ihrachyshka__enikanorov__: sounds like critical. just send a request to that ML, I think it'll go.08:43
enikanorov__ihrachyshka__: we actually tried to fix that quite a while ago in the master, but the patch was abandoned (the scope was bigger)08:44
enikanorov__ihrachyshka__: thanks for help!08:44
ihrachyshka__any time08:45
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openstackgerritIlya Shakhat proposed a change to openstack/python-neutronclient: Fix listing security group rules  https://review.openstack.org/9599009:43
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openstackgerritFeng Xi Yan proposed a change to openstack/neutron: ML2 Mechanism Driver for vCenter DVS port group creation  https://review.openstack.org/11122710:02
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openstackgerritFeng Xi Yan proposed a change to openstack/neutron: ML2 Mechanism Driver for vCenter DVS port group creation  https://review.openstack.org/11122710:07
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openstackgerritFeng Xi Yan proposed a change to openstack/neutron: ML2 Mechanism Driver for vCenter DVS port group creation  https://review.openstack.org/11122710:25
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openstackgerritFeng Xi Yan proposed a change to openstack/neutron: ML2 Mechanism Driver for vCenter DVS port group creation  https://review.openstack.org/11122710:29
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salv-orlandoZZelle: You have a rather pedant -1 on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/77578/10 - if you can quickly address it I can +2 the patch again. Sorry for bothering you but I’d like to see this kind of patches merges as soon as possible.11:11
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openstackgerritfumihiko kakuma proposed a change to openstack/neutron: OFAgent: Implement arp responder  https://review.openstack.org/9418311:16
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ZZellesalv-orlando, hi11:22
ZZellesalv-orlando, me too ... these patchset was more to check i did not miss code/test updates11:22
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openstackgerritCedric Brandily proposed a change to openstack/neutron: OVS flows apply concurrently using a deferred OVSBridge  https://review.openstack.org/7757811:33
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ZZellesalv-orlando, thanks for your +2!11:53
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salv-orlandoZZelle: sorry I removed it temporarily as I’m waiting for jenkins to +1 first It’s just a formality.11:54
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ZZellesalv-orlando, , nopb11:54
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ZZellesalv-orlando, one question12:04
ZZellesalv-orlando, xml support will be removed for Kilo?12:04
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ZZelleyamamoto, hi12:17
yamamotoZZelle: hi12:18
ZZelleone question about your comment on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/77578/11/neutron/agent/l2population_rpc.py12:18
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ZZelle"represent the bridge on which add_fdb_flow should be applied" is better?12:20
yamamotoZZelle: sounds better12:20
ZZelleis it fine to currently use slef.tun_br in ofagent?12:20
data`when using neutron & ml2 with vxlan, do I need to configure the OVS plugin in plugins/openvswitch/ovs_neutron_plugin.ini?12:20
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yamamotoZZelle: yes12:21
data`because ovs is a driver for ml2, not a plugin to neutron anymore, as far as I understand12:21
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yamamotoZZelle: but i'm happier if you make it use the passed br12:22
ZZelleok, will do12:22
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yamamotoZZelle: thank you!12:23
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openstackgerritEvgeny Fedoruk proposed a change to openstack/neutron: L7 capability extension implementation for lbaas v2  https://review.openstack.org/11170612:39
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openstackgerritHenry Gessau proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Add a tox test environment for random hashseed testing  https://review.openstack.org/11171112:56
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openstackgerritIlya Shakhat proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Make log level in linux.utils.execute configurable  https://review.openstack.org/11171513:00
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openstackgerritEvgeny Fedoruk proposed a change to openstack/neutron: L7 capability extension implementation for lbaas v2  https://review.openstack.org/11170613:09
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openstackgerritCedric Brandily proposed a change to openstack/neutron: OVS flows apply concurrently using a deferred OVSBridge  https://review.openstack.org/7757813:11
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data`when using neutron & ml2 with vxlan, do I need to configure the OVS plugin in plugins/openvswitch/ovs_neutron_plugin.ini?13:16
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salv-orlandoZZelle: your patience is admirable.13:22
ZZellesalv-orlando, thanks :)13:24
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salv-orlandoZZelle: I’m going to put a -1 in your patch with the following comment: “Can your reword your comments using alternate rhyme”13:24
ZZellesalv-orlando, you can ask for it ... only ask13:27
salv-orlandoZZelle: nah… on the openstack profile page there’s written where I live.13:27
salv-orlandoyou might come round my place with a shotgun if I did that13:28
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ZZellesalv-orlando, not a shotgun only my keyboard ... keyboards are allowed in planes!13:34
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openstackgerritBradley Klein proposed a change to openstack/python-neutronclient: Add keystone v3 auth support  https://review.openstack.org/9239013:49
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openstackgerritIlya Shakhat proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Make log level in linux.utils.execute configurable  https://review.openstack.org/11171514:03
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data`when using neutron & ml2 with vxlan, do I need to configure the OVS plugin in plugins/openvswitch/ovs_neutron_plugin.ini?14:05
openstackgerritIlya Shakhat proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Make log level in linux.utils.execute configurable  https://review.openstack.org/11171514:06
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openstackgerritJakub Libosvar proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Change autogenerate to be unconditional  https://review.openstack.org/10870014:17
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/python-neutronclient: Introduce shadow resources for NeutronCommands  https://review.openstack.org/11147314:41
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openstackgerritAvishay Balderman proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Radware: When a pip is needed, reuse the Port  https://review.openstack.org/11032614:44
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/python-neutronclient: Add option for retry number of connection attempts  https://review.openstack.org/9010414:48
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enikanorov_markmcclain: hi. would you be able to make a progress with flavor's specthis week https://review.openstack.org/102723 ?14:49
markmcclainenikanorov_: forthcoming14:49
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enikanorov_let me know if you don't have free cycles14:49
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openstackgerritElena Ezhova proposed a change to openstack/neutron: WIP: Add network_device_mtu value to dnsmasq options file  https://review.openstack.org/11174814:52
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openstackgerritIsaku Yamahata proposed a change to openstack/neutron: add auth token to context  https://review.openstack.org/11175614:59
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ZangMingJiehi mark, would you please remove -2 from this patch, as the related bp has been approved. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/78946/15:01
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openstackgerritJohn Schwarz proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Allow filtering routers by network-ids  https://review.openstack.org/11158015:15
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openstackgerritnlahouti proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Cisco DFA ML2 Mechanism Driver - Part 3  https://review.openstack.org/11176115:21
mesteryotherwiseguy: If you're around, look at this review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/111139/15:22
mesteryotherwiseguy: Seems as if ofagent is moving in the opposite direction as the work you're doing, and I wonder why.15:22
otherwiseguymestery: will do. btw, I hope to at least post a WIP version of the ovsdbification patch today.15:23
mesteryotherwiseguy: Awesome, please do, I want to test that out. :)15:23
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openstackgerritAvishay Balderman proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Radware: When a pip is needed, reuse the Port  https://review.openstack.org/11032615:27
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mesteryenikanorov_: Did you see my email about the bug squashing day for Neutron? Any input on that? I'd like to get that rolling for this week if possible.15:29
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openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed a change to openstack/python-neutronclient: Updated from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/11163115:33
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openstackgerritJakub Libosvar proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Change autogenerate to be unconditional  https://review.openstack.org/10870015:36
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openstackgerritRussell Bryant proposed a change to openstack/neutron-specs: Fix a typo.  https://review.openstack.org/11176515:46
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openstackgerritKyle Mestery proposed a change to openstack/neutron-specs: Fix capitalization error.  https://review.openstack.org/11176615:50
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openstackgerritRoey Chen proposed a change to openstack/neutron: MLNX Agent: ensure removed ports get treated on resyncs  https://review.openstack.org/9488815:52
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/neutron-specs: Fix a typo.  https://review.openstack.org/11176516:14
enikanorov_mestery: not yet, i'll look and reply, thanks!16:19
mesteryenikanorov_: Thanks sir!16:19
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/neutron-specs: Fix capitalization error.  https://review.openstack.org/11176616:19
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gangilsalv-orlando: are you around? I had a few doubts regarding https://review.openstack.org/#/c/111113/16:21
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openstackgerritCarl Baldwin proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Preserve link local IP allocations for DVR fip ns across restart  https://review.openstack.org/10948616:29
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/neutron: OFAgent: Implement arp responder  https://review.openstack.org/9418316:37
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openstackgerritManish Godara proposed a change to openstack/neutron-specs: metadata spec  https://review.openstack.org/10369916:56
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salv-orlandogangil: I’m here. What about these doubts?16:58
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openstackgerritManish Godara proposed a change to openstack/neutron-specs: metadata spec  https://review.openstack.org/10369916:59
gangilsalv-orlando: So regarding logging.logging usage. Did you prefer it as assigning logging.logging to a variable say std_log and the using std_log everywhere whereever I need to access the log severity levels? Or should I investiage more if we can expose those levels in the openstack log library?17:00
salv-orlandogangil: It’s just about constants… so I guess it’s fine using them from python’s logging module, unless there is a requirement to not use it anymore17:00
gangilsalv-orlando: in that case I would have to leave the standard import there and going forward people may use it unknowingly. Is that fine?17:01
gangil*standard python logging import17:01
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banixmestery: kyle, now that the deadline for specs in Juno has passed, where should the new specs (or those that have not been approved for Juno) get submitted (or moved) to? under a yet to be created kilo directory?17:02
salv-orlandogangil: I don’t think it will be the end of the world. Pepple can always “unknowingly” import it and use it anyway! gangil: on the other hand we might want to check wehter oslo-incubator thinks it’s ok to define those constans there as well to the openstack’s logging module.17:02
salv-orlandoIf that’s ok you can do a patch there and the the change will be ported into neutron17:02
mesterybanix: I have intentially not created the directory yet17:02
salv-orlandogangil: we can’t do direct changes in neutron.openstack.common17:02
mesterybanix: I'm hoping (though not expecting) that people will focus on the 81 BPs we hve approved which need some review love :)17:03
gangilsalv-orlando: I think I will prefer going the oslo-incubator way as that feels more right to me.17:03
salv-orlandogangil: makes sense.17:03
gangilsalv-orlando: thank you!17:03
banixmestery: :) yeah just saw someone submitting a new patchset for their spec that has been under review and thought at some point a new directory needs to be created but I understand that we can hold that off for some time.17:04
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gangilsalv-orlando: Do you know who would be the right person to talk to for discussing changes to the oslo incubator?17:07
salv-orlandogangil: 1) jump into #openstack-oslo; 2) check for people who contribute more often to neutron.openstack.common (I’d say ask dhellmann but he’s very busy and for this kind of thing he would probably just refer you to somebody else)17:08
gangilsalv-orlando: Also another thing that I was wondering was why do we even need to reference log severity levels directly in neutron? Because when we log anything we mention its severity level. like LOG.debug, LOG.warning17:08
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gangiland openstack-common logging library handles the level in the internal method implementations17:09
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salv-orlandogangil: this happens in a few cases such as logging option values where the conf module requires you to specify a severity17:12
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gangilsalv-orlando: what about 1. https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/plugins/vmware/plugins/base.py#L2085 2. https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/db/migration/alembic_migrations/heal_script.py#L3717:16
gangilIn both these cases we can avoid referencing the log level.17:16
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salv-orlandogangil: did you read my comment on heal_script.py?17:17
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gangilsalv-orlando: yea I did, I didnt understand how would it spew log messages as warnings if we use the right log methods? As I see all the logs in that file use the INFO level.17:19
gangilsalv-orlando: the only reason I can guess from your comment is alembic internally might be using the standard logging library and this sets its log to INFO as well17:21
gangilis that right?17:21
gangilIn that case I understand it17:22
gangilits needed there17:22
salv-orlandogangil: this was addressed during the review process. I don’t know the details, but as you say the messages were coming directly from alembic17:22
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salv-orlandoand were beyond our control.17:22
gangilsalv-orlando: sounds right. This just gives me a good reason to expose those log levels in oslo log library17:23
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openstackgerritYAMAMOTO Takashi proposed a change to openstack/neutron: ofagent: Stop monitoring ovsdb for port changes  https://review.openstack.org/11113917:23
openstackgerritYAMAMOTO Takashi proposed a change to openstack/neutron: ofagent: Desupport ancillary bridges  https://review.openstack.org/11020917:23
gangilsalv-orlando: thanks!17:24
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openstackgerritYAMAMOTO Takashi proposed a change to openstack/neutron: ofagent: Stop monitoring ovsdb for port changes  https://review.openstack.org/11113917:32
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openstackgerritTrinath Somanchi proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Freescale FWaaS Plugin  https://review.openstack.org/10965917:58
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openstackgerritCarl Baldwin proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Preserve link local IP allocations for DVR fip ns across restart  https://review.openstack.org/10948618:30
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openstackgerritKevin Benton proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Use root_helper when checking namespace existence  https://review.openstack.org/10973619:06
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openstackgerritIlya Shakhat proposed a change to openstack/python-neutronclient: Fix unit tests to succeed on any PYTHONHASHSEED  https://review.openstack.org/11099119:17
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openstackgerritArmando Migliaccio proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Make _build_uri_path output predictable  https://review.openstack.org/11180919:40
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abrimer_I have a question regarding neutron and gre, can anyone help?19:48
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openstackgerritCarl Baldwin proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Improve external gateway update handling  https://review.openstack.org/10977619:58
openstackgerritCarl Baldwin proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Simple refactor to stop passing around an unused parameter  https://review.openstack.org/11181319:58
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openstackgerritKevin Benton proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Use root_helper when checking namespace existence  https://review.openstack.org/10973620:03
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openstackgerritKevin Benton proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Big Switch: Only update hash header on success  https://review.openstack.org/10969520:16
kevinbentonmestery: i accidentally clicked rebase ^^ :-(20:17
kevinbentonmestery: no confirmation box or anything…20:18
mesterykevinbenton: Well, that sucks :(20:18
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kevinbentonno conflict or anything so it should be good. ill ping when jenkins votes so you can re-approve20:18
mesterykevinbenton: Ack20:19
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openstackgerritCarl Baldwin proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Rename workers to api_workers and simplify code  https://review.openstack.org/7256420:25
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markmcclainmestery: would like to add this to agenda today: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-August/041863.html20:32
mesterymarkmcclain: looking20:33
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mesterymarkmcclain: Can you add that in there, maybe in the "Team Discussion" section?20:34
markmcclainwill do20:35
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openstackgerritpritesh proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Do not assume order of network_uuid's  https://review.openstack.org/11182220:45
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openstackgerritnlahouti proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Cisco DFA ML2 Mechanism Driver  https://review.openstack.org/10328121:02
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/neutron: Do not assume order of quotas dictionary elements  https://review.openstack.org/11158921:06
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openstackgerritArmando Migliaccio proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Make _build_uri_path output predictable  https://review.openstack.org/11180921:11
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/neutron: Updated from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/11152521:13
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openstackgerritpritesh proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Do not assume order of network_uuid's  https://review.openstack.org/11182221:13
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/neutron: Add a tox test environment for random hashseed testing  https://review.openstack.org/11171121:17
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/neutron: ofagent: Desupport ancillary bridges  https://review.openstack.org/11020921:22
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openstackgerritpritesh proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Do not assume order of pci slot list  https://review.openstack.org/11183521:26
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ZZelle_lifeless, hi21:46
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openstackgerritRonak Shah proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Adding mechanism driver in ML2 plugin for Nuage Networks  https://review.openstack.org/11106621:52
openstackgerritBradley Klein proposed a change to openstack/python-neutronclient: Add keystone v3 auth support  https://review.openstack.org/9239021:53
lifelessZZelle_: hi21:53
ZZelle_lifeless, i don't know why but gerrit no more auto-abandon old changes21:54
ZZelle_lifeless, so could you abandon https://review.openstack.org/#/c/108494/? and update its associated bug?21:54
lifelessZZelle_: I haven't verified it yet21:55
lifelessZZelle_: sorry21:55
ZZelle_lifeless, nopb21:55
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aleksandr_nullHi guys!22:01
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amotokimestery: I have a question on LBaaS v1 deprecation. I see neutron client patch of LBaaS v2 is trying to add “deprecated” keyword to LBaaS v1 API.22:04
mesteryamotoki: Not for Juno it shouldn't22:05
openstackgerritKevin Benton proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Remove routers from down l3 agents  https://review.openstack.org/11089322:05
amotokimestery: thanks. that is same as what  I understand. LBaaS v1 APi is stable until v2 becomes mature.22:06
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mesteryamotoki: ++22:06
* regXboi wonders if any discussion will continue here or not22:07
amotokimestery: FYI/ this is the patch I am talking about: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/111475/22:07
kevinbentonregXboi: i think everyone is waiting for someone else to continue :-)22:07
regXboiso... I'll follow up one statement I made22:07
regXboiwhich is that (imho) openstack is riding a wave22:07
regXboiand that if it doesn't keep up with the speed of innovation of that wave, it becomes less and less relevant22:08
regXboibecause the wave passes it by and folks code ahead/around it22:08
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* banix is happy he didn’t change his vaction plans (speaking of waves makes you think of your vacation i suppose)22:10
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kevinbentonregXboi: it seems the discussion is not continuing here :-)22:13
s3wongkevinbenton: yeah, many people left the channel22:13
regXboinope... oh well - I need to go help with food here so I'll have to disappear22:13
regXboiI'll look to the ML22:13
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bloganamotoki: i believe craigtracey is modifying the review to reflect your comments22:15
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amotokiblogan: thanks. I just want to clarify the status :-)22:16
bloganamotoki: np, and thanks for noticing that, we have a similar issue with the doc change22:16
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amotokiblogan: perhaps we need to mention which LBaaS API is currently stable, experimental, deprecated clearly in both doc and CLI.22:18
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bloganamotoki: definitely, i was thinking tagging the v2 with "experiemental" or "beta" or something like that22:18
bloganin the docs22:18
amotokiblogan: sounds nice.22:19
bloganamotoki: would the proper word be experiemental or beta or something else?22:19
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amotokiblogan: I am not sure what word is proper. I think "experimental" is usually used in the community. This phase of the API may change.22:21
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bloganamotoki: okay thanks!22:22
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amotokiblogan: in my understanding, we can have two stable APIs at the same time and after that the old one will be marked as deprecated.22:23
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kevinbentonsalv-orlando: ping22:23
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bloganamotoki: yeah and that makes sense, v2 should be stable for K22:23
salv-orlandohi kevinbenton how can I help you?22:24
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kevinbentonjust wanted to discuss https://review.openstack.org/#/c/108598/ here where we have a little faster turn around22:24
kevinbentoncan you read my last comment and let me know what you think?22:24
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kevinbentonsalv-orlando: also, let me know if you would prefer I didn’t bother you on IRC about reviews. I know most reviewers have an order they usually process reviews in22:27
salv-orlandokevinbenton: you can bother me no worries. In most cases you don’t get a reply from em because you ping me in the middle of the night...22:28
kevinbentonsalv-orlando: oh, yeah. But you keep an IRC schedule that’s hard for me to understand so I just ping whenever :-)22:29
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salv-orlandoanyway regrding your bug I think the statement is correct… in most deployment you don’t want to run the neutron service user with admin rights.. My comment was that in your case you would have anohter role for the neutron service user and then you’d just pust that role in policy.json. The approach of explicitly declaring neutron’s user name is fine anyway, but even in that case I would consider ensuring hte user name is pushed in22:31
salv-orlandothe context and therefore we won’t need a different policty type. In that case we’d just have somehting like user_id=xxx just like we do with tenant_id22:31
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openstackgerritPraneet Bachheti proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Opencontrail plug-in implementation for core resources  https://review.openstack.org/9663022:34
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kevinbentonsalv-orlando: but that requires a deployment specific policy.json, right?22:43
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kevinbentonsalv-orlando: i would like to avoid that so it’s easy for deployment tools (even devstack) to be adjusted to not give neutron the admin role22:45
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openstackgerritCedric Brandily proposed a change to openstack/neutron: OVS flows apply concurrently using a deferred OVSBridge  https://review.openstack.org/7757822:48
salv-orlandokevinbenton: I would not, and therefore I do not see the need to modifiy the default context_is_admin rule. But this is subjective. All that I can say is having the ability of authorizing by user name is probably useful, but not necessary.22:49
salv-orlandoZZelle_: I think your patch will never merge.22:50
salv-orlandoit’s cursed22:50
ZZelle_salv-orlando, yep, perhaps during next design summit :)22:51
salv-orlandoZZelle_: I think the next time we’ll send it through the gate, zuul will crash22:51
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kevinbentonsalv-orlando: ok. but neutron doesn’t even work if the user it is using is not an admin in neutron’s eyes so to speak22:52
salv-orlandokevinbenton: ok… so the claim is that the current policy.json is pretty much broken. In this case is different.22:52
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kevinbentonsalv-orlando: check out the failures on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/108167/22:53
kevinbentonsalv-orlando: that’s what happens if you use a service role that doesn’t look like an admin to neutron22:54
salv-orlandokevinbenton: It might be just my brain desiring to shut off now, but I feel like you want the problem to be solved and be solved with the default setting.22:54
salv-orlandoso you want this to work “by default”22:55
kevinbentonsalv-orlando: yes22:55
salv-orlandowhat I do not understand is why is that so important22:55
salv-orlandohttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/108167/1/lib/neutron says “neutron user is not admin"22:56
salv-orlandowhich is ok… and then you want to make it work with the default policy,json file saying that in neutorn you can an dmin if you’re an admin or that user I gave the neutron service role22:57
salv-orlandoI think in the same devstack patch it should be possible to modify policy.json to specify the appropriate role in context_is_admin rule22:58
ZZelle_kevinbenton, salv-orlando,  IMHO, we should not enable such behavior by default for security purposes22:58
kevinbentonsalv-orlando: it seems broken to me to have to modify policy.json just to be secure22:58
kevinbentonZZelle_: what behavior?22:58
salv-orlandokevinbenton: that does not seem broken to me. But again I understand this is arguable.22:59
ZZelle_kevinbenton, allowing a nonadmin to be considered as an admin22:59
kevinbentonZZelle_: neutron doesn’t work any other way, which is incorrect for a service IMO23:00
kevinbentonbut I seem to be in the minority here23:00
salv-orlandowe’re saying differetnt things.23:00
salv-orlandoZZelle_ is bringing an argument saying that only an admin should be in the context_is_admin rule23:01
salv-orlandowhich is correct… to an extend23:01
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salv-orlandoand the extent being that in real deployments every service has its own “service user” which is actually an admin exclusively for this service23:01
kevinbentoncontext_is_admin is to determine if a user can administer neutron, right?23:02
salv-orlandoon the other hand, I’m just saying I don’t like the check against an explicit user name just to circument the need to edit policy.json23:02
salv-orlandowhich is what I think you’d do anyway in anycase to harden your system23:02
kevinbentonwhat else would you do to policy.json to harden it?23:03
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kevinbentonto finish my other statement, I understand context_is_admin to mean that an account can perform administrative tasks in neutron. I don’t see any case where neutron would be configured with a user that can’t perform administrative tasks in neutron23:06
salv-orlandokevinbenton: agreed. I only have one case for that -> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/10816723:07
kevinbentonSo it seems strange that we have to require a deployer to adjust context_is_admin for neutron to work in a secure deployment23:07
salv-orlandoI was just joking23:07
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kevinbentonsalv-orlando: so i wanted this because I wanted to make secure deployment as easy as possible23:11
kevinbentonsalv-orlando: i wasn’t aware of other cases where policy.json had to be adjusted for secure deployments23:12
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salv-orlandokevinbenton: I think it’s just something peoplre might normally do. Since none of us can speak as users, let’s leave that aside23:12
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salv-orlandolet’s get to the meat of your patch: a change in polcy that give admin rights in neutron not only to openstack admins but also to users whose user name matches the name of the user neutron uses to authenticate requests with keystone23:13
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openstackgerritCedric Brandily proposed a change to openstack/neutron: OVS flows apply concurrently using a deferred OVSBridge  https://review.openstack.org/7757823:14
salv-orlandosince that user can authenticate with keystone it’s worth being considered a neutron admin23:15
salv-orlandoalso the policy.json becomes more secure by adding an “OR” condition on the rule that determines when one has admin rights.23:15
ZZelle_salv-orlando, the match would be on user name or user id?23:16
salv-orlandothe above two statements would be my concerns on your patch, from a strictly technical perspctive.23:16
salv-orlandoZZelle_: user name from what I read23:16
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ZZelle_salv-orlando, so we cannot use such strategy with domains, because user names are no more unique23:17
salv-orlandoZZelle_: that might be correct, but I have to confess my ignorance here.23:17
ZZelle_salv-orlando, iirc, keystone v3 ensures name unicity per domain not globally23:18
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kevinbentonZZelle_: I was only using information available in the neutron configuration23:19
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kevinbentonZZelle_: ID is not23:19
kevinbentonsalv-orlando: neutron can only function if that user is considered an admin to neutron23:20
kevinbentonsalv-orlando: so I don’t see how it’s a reduction in security if that’s what you are implying23:20
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salv-orlandokevinbenton: see you’re claiming neutron ihas a model which is actually brooken, becase it won’t work if you configure it to be executed as an user which is not recognized by it as an admin23:23
salv-orlandokevinbenton: I can’t disagree with that. It’s totally right.23:23
salv-orlandokevinbenton: but isn’t that a configuration error in that case?23:23
salv-orlandokevinbenton: anyway, It’s really late for me. It’s pretty clear that you think that policy.json should be resilient to this while I think that policy.json should be explicitly made aware of this23:24
kevinbentonsalv-orlando: I see it that I’m making policy.json aware of this :-)23:24
salv-orlandoI will not block your patch. It won’t be the first time I started arguments and then realized I was wrong all the time.23:25
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kevinbentonsalv-orlando: well you have a point that it can be fixed with configuration, but I just think it’s a high barrier that most users won’t bother with23:25
salv-orlandokevinbenton: no, you’re making the policy engine resilient to neutron service users with are not admins23:25
kevinbentonsalv-orlando: i’m making it recognize a new keyword I’m putting in policy.json23:26
kevinbentonsalv-orlando: so it’s still explicit in policy.json23:26
salv-orlandokevinbenton: no it’s not.23:26
salv-orlandoit is not - you are making neutron to implicit consider the keystone client user name as an admin to neutron23:26
salv-orlandoand we’re discussing from an hour about something that should be tipically handled with a configuration management tool23:27
salv-orlandolike puppet, chef, or why not, devstack23:27
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salv-orlandokevinbenton: but again, it won’t be the first time I turn out to be wrong23:27
salv-orlandokevinbenton: maybe you should just involve somebody else in this discussion from the core team and gauge opinion23:27
kevinbentonsalv-orlando: it’s not implicit though, at least i’m not understanding23:27
salv-orlando*opinions23:27
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kevinbentonsalv-orlando: if a user doesn’t like this, they just edit policy.json context_is_admin to the old style23:28
kevinbentoni guess it depends on what perspective you view the implicitness from23:28
salv-orlandokevinbenton: ok, I see your will to push this is much stronger than my will to reject it23:28
salv-orlandoI have no further arguments against thi23:29
salv-orlandoagainst it.23:29
kevinbentonwell I’m not seeing fuel and packstack doing the right think here, which is why i started this23:29
kevinbentonthing*23:29
salv-orlandoand the right thing is to consider the user name used to authenticate users with keystone an admin?23:30
salv-orlandoI mean that does not sound even a wee bit weird to you? is ti just me?23:30
kevinbentonsalv-orlando: it would if neutron could function without that user being an admin23:30
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salv-orlandokevinbenton: right.23:31
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salv-orlandoare you aware of other integrated projects having already faced this issue?23:32
kevinbentonsalv-orlando: it feels strange to me that we leave something up to configuration that essentially has only one valid value23:32
kevinbentonsalv-orlando: no, i haven’t looked yet23:32
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salv-orlandokevinbenton: if it has only one valid value let’s hardcode it then23:32
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kevinbentonsalv-orlando: well that value value is a dynamic pointer :-)23:33
salv-orlandohardcode it to a configuration variable23:33
salv-orlandooh wait, that’s exactly what you’ve done!23:34
salv-orlandodoing a complex workaround through the authz policy engine23:34
salv-orlandoI mean not complex, probably unnecessary23:34
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kevinbentonsalv-orlando: well i don’t know what to do here then. your view will probably be shared that the users should just make their own policy.json for each deployment23:37
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kevinbentonsalv-orlando: i can file upstream bugs with the deploy tools to construct policy.json23:38
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ZZelle_salv-orlando, on the big integrated projects i know, right management is centralized, finer: you can grant a role to someone on a resource (port for example) for some action (GET for observers VS CRUD for actors)23:43
ZZelle_salv-orlando, and a mess to configure23:43
openstackgerritPaddu Krishnan proposed a change to openstack/neutron: VDP Support in OVS Neutron Agent and Type Driver for Network Overlays  https://review.openstack.org/10556323:44
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salv-orlandokevinbenton: just seek somebody else opinion. I would not even take for granted that in a real deployment cfg.CONF.keystone_authtoken.admin_user is a neutron admin.23:45
salv-orlandobut I am one of 15 core team members. it’s not rare I disagree with others because of my bizarre views.23:46
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salv-orlandoindeed I should probably not even be part of the core team as I was never elected to the core team ;)23:46
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salv-orlandokevinbenton: I know armax, markmcclain at least have previously reviewed patches for the policy engine. rkukura did that too afaict. so I’m not the only one with an informed opinion.23:47
salv-orlandoperhaps you can try and ping them and see what they reckon. As you might understand I have some technical concerns about the code byt fundamentally I think the bug you filed is not a bug.23:48
openstackgerritnlahouti proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Cisco DFA ML2 Mechanism Driver - Part 4  https://review.openstack.org/11186323:48
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kevinbentonsalv-orlando: isn’t it at least a bug that neutron can’t function without context_is_admin internally?23:50
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kevinbentonsalv-orlando: maybe a better fix would be to allow internal requests to be given admin privileges without modifying the policy?23:51
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salv-orlandokevinbenton: your statement is not complete. it would be complete if you say <<neutron cant’ function with the default policy settings if its service user’s roles do not include “admin” >>23:51
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salv-orlandokevinbenton: I am going to bed… I won’t respond to other messages. I just wanted to tell you so you won’t think I’m ignoring you. Goddnight!23:56
openstackgerritArmando Migliaccio proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Make _build_uri_path output predictable  https://review.openstack.org/11180923:56
salv-orlandoif you feel that’s the case share your thoguhts on the mailing list.23:56
kevinbentonsalv-orlando: ok, good night. i’m still deciding if I even have a valid point to continue with23:57
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