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| vthapar | viveknarasimhan: ping | 10:28 |
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| ZangMingJie | salv-orlando: I found there is `apply_port_filter` api in firewall driver, but nobody calls it, is it intented ? | 10:57 |
| salv-orlando | ZangMingJie: the firewall driver for security groups? | 10:57 |
| ZangMingJie | I'm implementing ovs flow firewall driver, whereya | 10:58 |
| ZangMingJie | I'm implementing ovs flow firewall driver, where the flow can only be set after port creation | 10:58 |
| salv-orlando | It might be vestigial code. If it’s not called internall and not exposed through RPC API it is bitrotting code | 10:58 |
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| krypto | hi all,i am trying to use nova-network vlan-manager, created two tenants with vlan 100 and vlan 101 with bridges 100 and 101 | 11:31 |
| krypto | when i create instance vnet is getting attached to proper bridge ,but both bridges dont have NIC bridged to it | 11:32 |
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| krypto | i have eth1 in trunk mode but i wonder how is it possible to take traffic from 2 bridges to switch with out connecting physical interface... | 11:33 |
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| jschwarz | krypto, try #openstack-nova as nova-network is not neutron.. :) | 11:51 |
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| krypto | thanks found it :) | 11:55 |
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| Zemeio | I am trying to insert a mechanism driver on my neutron, but ml2 is not finding it (key error on a dictionary). Anyone knows what could be wrong? | 12:31 |
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| jlibosva | Zemeio: did you define your driver in mechanism_drivers entry_points? | 12:33 |
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| Zemeio | yes | 12:37 |
| Zemeio | the one on the python egg right? | 12:37 |
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| chuckC | it may be that I haven't fully awakened yet, so I'm hoping someone else can take a quick look at https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/db/db_base_plugin_v2.py#L1320 | 14:32 |
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| chuckC | if 'device_id' is not being updated, p.get will be null, and changed_device_id will be set to True | 14:33 |
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| chuckC | is this a bug? | 14:34 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jacek Swiderski proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Do not assume order of tags list elements https://review.openstack.org/112248 | 15:01 |
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| salv-orlando | mestery & markmcclain: can you help me lobbying with infra core to switch the neutron full job to voting? The patch is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/88289/ I’m starting to be tired of looking at failure rate on a daily base to check no new bugs have been introduced. | 15:05 |
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| marun | salv-orlando: can I help too? | 15:06 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: ++, I'll see what I can do. | 15:06 |
| salv-orlando | marun: no you can’t ;) just kidding. If you can get hold of somebody in infra core that would be good. | 15:06 |
| HenryG | marun: Hi. Do you think job gate-neutron-dsvm-functional should include subunit_log and testr_results? Like the unit test jobs. | 15:08 |
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| marun | HenryG: I'm afraid I'm ignorant. | 15:09 |
| marun | HenryG: If they would be useful, I see now reason why not. | 15:09 |
| marun | HenryG: It wasn't an intentional omission on my part. | 15:09 |
| amuller | HenryG: testr_results would be awesome imo | 15:10 |
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| HenryG | marun: For example, this one failed and the console log only gave a minor hint: http://logs.openstack.org/60/109860/9/check/check-neutron-dsvm-functional/cc462fe/ | 15:16 |
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| HenryG | Actually that one had a traceback | 15:19 |
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| HenryG | This failure is more mysterious: http://logs.openstack.org/49/108049/2/check/check-neutron-dsvm-functional/8113ae6/ | 15:20 |
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| marun | HenryG: Do you know how to enable the appropriate logging or does it need investigation? | 15:25 |
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| HenryG | marun: I think I just figured it out ... | 15:25 |
| marun | HenryG: if you need something from me I'm happy to help, but I'm happy if you want to go ahead and just do it. | 15:26 |
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| HenryG | marun: amuller: https://review.openstack.org/112326 | 15:27 |
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| netuser | QUESTION: Where can I find neutron_url, neutron_admin_username, neutron_admin_password and all that stuff, I can't seem to find that info anywhere in the dir ?????? | 15:30 |
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| dmellado | which kind of installation did you do, netuser? | 15:31 |
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| busterswt | If a qvo port is inadvertently removed from the integration bridge and the Neutron port status is set to DOWN in the database, does anyone know what action would cause that port to get set back to ACTIVE? Moving the qvo interface back into br-int and setting the vlan tag did not seem to do it... | 15:33 |
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| openstackgerrit | garyk proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Remove @author from copyright statements https://review.openstack.org/112329 | 15:35 |
| garyk | review sudie ^ | 15:35 |
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| netuser | Where can I find neutron_url, neutron_admin_username, neutron_admin_password and all that stuff, I can't seem to find that info anywhere in the dir ?????? | 15:45 |
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| phschwartz | Any chance some of the neutron devs can take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1353554 and the originial bug linked in it. It appears to still be an issue. | 15:47 |
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| salv-orlando | HenryG: in the mysterious failure, neutron is crapping out and returining a 500 in net-create http://logs.openstack.org/49/108049/2/check/check-neutron-dsvm-functional/8113ae6/logs/screen-q-svc.txt.gz#_2014-08-06_12_45_30_126 | 15:48 |
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| HenryG | salv-orlando: Weird, since the functional tests don't actually run neutron for the tests. | 15:53 |
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| HenryG | I am wondering if for the functional job, would it be possible to have devstack install neutron but not run it? | 15:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | Abishek Subramanian proposed a change to openstack/neutron: ML2 Cisco Nexus MD - not overwriting existing config https://review.openstack.org/105514 | 16:06 |
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| marun | HenryG, salv-orlando: unfortunately devstack is leaving the services running. working with infra to figure out how to get unstack working properly | 16:25 |
| openstackgerrit | Wei Wang proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Remove duplicated check for router connect to external net https://review.openstack.org/112349 | 16:28 |
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| lukego | rkukura: marun and I have been speculating how easy it is to distribute mech drivers out of tree, and whether anybody has done this successfully. do you know? (ml ref: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-August/042089.html) | 16:29 |
| openstackgerrit | Armando Migliaccio proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Fix AttributeError when setting external gateway on DVR router https://review.openstack.org/112146 | 16:30 |
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| rkukura | lukego: I’m not aware of any examples, but usage of python entrypoints (via stevadore) to load drivers should allow drivers to be packaged separately. | 16:37 |
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| openstackgerrit | Armando Migliaccio proposed a change to openstack/neutron: NSX: unify the two distributed routing extensions https://review.openstack.org/108177 | 16:40 |
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| rms_13 | To all who use neutron-db-manage frequently: A gentle reminder to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/112171/ | 16:52 |
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| openstackgerrit | YAMAMOTO Takashi proposed a change to openstack/neutron: ofagent: Remove network_delete method https://review.openstack.org/110188 | 16:54 |
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| netuser | Can someone tell me where I can find neutron url information ? | 17:01 |
| netuser | I need it configure Nova to work with Neutron | 17:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | YAMAMOTO Takashi proposed a change to openstack/neutron: ofagent: Add a missing normalized_port_name https://review.openstack.org/110187 | 17:03 |
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| yamamoto | where is an appropriate place to ask reviews for devstack changes? | 17:05 |
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| trinaths | Can some on review my pathset https://review.openstack.org/#/c/109659/ | 17:07 |
| trinaths | its regarding Freescale FWaaS Plugin | 17:08 |
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| garyk | amuller: please see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/112329/ (that should address the authro stuff) | 17:09 |
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| amuller | garyk: Thanks | 17:11 |
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| garyk | 2 hours + and it will most proba get -2ed | 17:14 |
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| amuller | garyk: Such is life in Neutron :) | 17:24 |
| openstackgerrit | John Davidge proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Do not assume order of ipsec_site_connection dictionary elements https://review.openstack.org/112034 | 17:25 |
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| sudipto | It would be great if someone can take a look at this review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/112031/ thanks. | 17:27 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sylvain Afchain proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Add L3 VRRP HA base classes https://review.openstack.org/64553 | 17:38 |
| openstackgerrit | Sylvain Afchain proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Add a new scheduler for the l3 HA https://review.openstack.org/66347 | 17:38 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/neutron: Simple refactor to stop passing around an unused parameter https://review.openstack.org/111813 | 17:43 |
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| openstackgerrit | Chuck Carlino proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Allow port mac_address to be modified https://review.openstack.org/112129 | 18:14 |
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| openstackgerrit | Carl Baldwin proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Rename workers to api_workers and simplify code https://review.openstack.org/72564 | 18:16 |
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| openstackgerrit | Carl Baldwin proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Split API and RPC workers in to one separate process each (WIP) https://review.openstack.org/76021 | 18:17 |
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| openstackgerrit | Armando Migliaccio proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Fix 404 error fetching metadata when using DVR https://review.openstack.org/112376 | 18:34 |
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| gangil | mestery: ping, are you around? | 18:34 |
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| openstackgerrit | Armando Migliaccio proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Improve structure of external_gateway_added https://review.openstack.org/112385 | 19:13 |
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| busterswt | does anyone know of a way to trigger a "refresh" of the nova instance_info_cache table? Other than say, attaching an interface to an instance? At this moment the network field of an instance is blank, even though there is a Neutron port associated with the instance | 19:20 |
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| arosen1 | busterswt: what release of openstack are you running? | 19:27 |
| busterswt | Havana | 19:27 |
| arosen1 | busterswt: if you do a nova reboot --hard on it, it should fix it. Though in icehouse if you do neutron port-update <port> that will trigger nova to refresh the cache. | 19:29 |
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| chuckC | any mellanox folks around? | 19:32 |
| busterswt | arosen: thanks. no luck on the nova reboot --hard, but i'll keep digging | 19:33 |
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| arosen1 | buster can you tell me the instance_id that doesn't have the network info? | 19:35 |
| arosen1 | then we can check in neutron directly | 19:36 |
| busterswt | sure, the UUID of the instance is f58d2ba1-2bdd-4a17-9cd4-5acb7ba098e5 | 19:36 |
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| arosen1 | bustersw: okay what does this return: neutron port-list -- --device-id=f58d2ba1-2bdd-4a17-9cd4-5acb7ba098e5 | 19:39 |
| busterswt | arosen1: | 1ceecd62-ebf2-40b7-ad97-cbfb16683845 | | fa:16:3e:4c:10:d6 | {"subnet_id": "f960d2c9-621a-4cfc-a6cc-c9b8b4804b62", "ip_address": "192.168.11.6"} | | 19:39 |
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| arosen1 | busterswt: and if you do: nova reboot --hard 1ceecd62-ebf2-40b7-ad97-cbfb16683845 | 19:40 |
| arosen1 | that doesn't heal the cache for you? | 19:40 |
| arosen1 | After you do that command what's the output of nova list | grep 1ceecd62-ebf2-40b7-ad97-cbfb16683845 | 19:40 |
| openstackgerrit | Rajeev Grover proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Improve external gateway update handling https://review.openstack.org/109776 | 19:41 |
| busterswt | arosen1: | f58d2ba1-2bdd-4a17-9cd4-5acb7ba098e5 | LBTEST-NET0a76c127-HYP444731 | ACTIVE | None | Running | | | 19:41 |
| arosen1 | busterswt: did the status ever go from ACTIVE to something else? | 19:41 |
| arosen1 | i'm wondering if it really did a rebuild. | 19:43 |
| busterswt | arosen1: | f58d2ba1-2bdd-4a17-9cd4-5acb7ba098e5 | LBTEST-NET0a76c127-HYP444731 | HARD_REBOOT | rebooting_hard | Running | | | 19:43 |
| busterswt | arosen1: are they any dependencies needed for it to heal? | 19:43 |
| busterswt | *there | 19:43 |
| arosen1 | busterswt: let me look. That should do the trick though in havana. | 19:44 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rossella Sblendido proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Remove SELECT FOR UPDATE from db_base_plugin https://review.openstack.org/100963 | 19:45 |
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| arosen1 | busterswt: can you show me the output of | 19:45 |
| arosen1 | nova show f58d2ba1-2bdd-4a17-9cd4-5acb7ba098e5 | 19:46 |
| arosen1 | neutron port-show 1ceecd62-ebf2-40b7-ad97-cbfb16683845 | 19:46 |
| arosen1 | you can use paste.openstack.org | 19:46 |
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| busterswt | arosen1: http://paste.openstack.org/show/91192/ | 19:47 |
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| arosen1 | busterswt: that should refresh it https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/stable/havana/nova/compute/manager.py#L2141 | 19:47 |
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| arosen1 | busterswt: do you have access to the nova compute logs on the node running this instance? | 19:48 |
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| arosen1 | I wonder if you grep for this if you see anything: Failed storing info cache | 19:48 |
| arosen1 | and: "Updating cache with info" | 19:49 |
| arosen1 | https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/stable/havana/nova/network/api.py#L84 | 19:49 |
| arosen1 | busterswt: the paste.openstack.org looks fine to me. | 19:49 |
| busterswt | i do. letmme check | 19:49 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kevin Benton proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Return 403 instead of 404 on attr policy failures https://review.openstack.org/112150 | 19:51 |
| busterswt | arosen1: this is what i see in the compute log: http://paste.openstack.org/show/91195/ | 19:52 |
| britthouser | anybody run tox for neutron tests on RHEL7? | 19:52 |
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| arosen1 | busterswt: hrm sorry :( ; One last thing i'm curious about | 19:54 |
| arosen1 | if you do: neutron port-create --device-id=f58d2ba1-2bdd-4a17-9cd4-5acb7ba098e5 <network> | 19:54 |
| arosen1 | then nova reboot --hard f58d2ba1-2bdd-4a17-9cd4-5acb7ba098e5 | 19:54 |
| arosen1 | does anything show up. | 19:54 |
| arosen1 | There was a bug in havana that would allow the cache to leak like that. Just curious what happens in your setup. | 19:54 |
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| busterswt | arosen1: so on the port-create, the cache does not get updated. I *am* able to get the cache to update by using nova interface-attach f58d2ba1-2bdd-4a17-9cd4-5acb7ba098e5 --net-id <network> | 19:59 |
| busterswt | well one sec | 19:59 |
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| arosen1 | busterswt: odd as that should take the same code path :( | 19:59 |
| arosen1 | to refresh the cache. | 19:59 |
| busterswt | ok i hadn't rebooted the instance, but just did and confirmed the behavior | 20:00 |
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| busterswt | up interface-attach, all three IPs show up. the original, the one assigned by port-create, and the one assigned per interface-attach | 20:01 |
| arosen1 | busterswt: hrm perhaps if you set default=True in nova.conf we might see more info. I'm at a loss though sorry :( | 20:01 |
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| busterswt | arosen1: thanks for your help. I'll keep plugging away to see what's going on | 20:05 |
| arosen1 | busterswt: good luck. If possible update to icehouse :) things are improved there. | 20:06 |
| busterswt | arosen1: if you have time for one more... if the qvo interface is accidentally removed from the integration bridge for some reason the port gets set to DOWN. is there anything that will trigger moving that qvo interface back into the bridge? If you do it manually, the port never changes to aCTIVE | 20:06 |
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| arosen1 | busterswt: i believe this is because you'll be missing data in ovsdb | 20:07 |
| arosen1 | ovs-vsctl list interfaces | 20:07 |
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| arosen1 | you'll see you're missing the external_id column with the data the ovs-agent looks for. In general if you do things behind openstacks back there isn't a good way to recover | 20:08 |
| openstackgerrit | Juergen Brendel proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Fixinf nested try issue. https://review.openstack.org/112175 | 20:08 |
| arosen1 | busterswt: running this command should let you set the data back though : https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/network/linux_net.py#L1339 | 20:08 |
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| busterswt | arosen1: makes sense. i will look into that as well. thank you very much for your help. | 20:09 |
| busterswt | arosen1: and thanks for the pointer on that command | 20:09 |
| arosen1 | np, later | 20:09 |
| busterswt | see ya | 20:09 |
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| ZZelle_ | markmcclain, hi | 20:25 |
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| markmcclain | ZZelle_: in a meeting… what's up? | 20:26 |
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| ZZelle_ | markmcclain, oups, could you remove the -2 on https://review.openstack.org/100963 which no more apply? | 20:27 |
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| openstackgerrit | Assaf Muller proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Add functional test for l3_agent https://review.openstack.org/109860 | 20:48 |
| openstackgerrit | Assaf Muller proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Introduces a keepalived manager for HA https://review.openstack.org/68142 | 20:48 |
| openstackgerrit | Assaf Muller proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Implement ip_lib.device_configured_with https://review.openstack.org/112140 | 20:48 |
| openstackgerrit | Assaf Muller proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Add HA support to the l3 agent https://review.openstack.org/112415 | 20:48 |
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| openstackgerrit | Assaf Muller proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Add HA support to the l3 agent https://review.openstack.org/70700 | 20:55 |
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| jaypipes | SumitNaiksatam: answering my question with a tautology does not help. | 21:13 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: you asked for the explanation, and i pointed you to what has already been stated | 21:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: i am afraid i cannot state any differently than what has been mentioned in the spec | 21:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: my guess was that you might have perhaps missed it in the spec | 21:16 |
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| jaypipes | SumitNaiksatam: in answering my question of why it can't live out of tree, you essentially say "Because it will allow us to swap out everything below it." which is the point of my statement that the end-goal of GBP is to submarine Neutron entirely. | 21:17 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: i thinking you are mixing up responses | 21:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: i have been trying to point out that this work is complementary | 21:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: to existing abstractions | 21:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: you seem to have drawn the conclusion you did | 21:18 |
| jaypipes | SumitNaiksatam: if it was complementary, by definition it would live out of tree. | 21:18 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: pershaps it was based on some other response, not mine | 21:18 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: there are lots of extensions in neutron which complement the core model | 21:19 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: why arent all of those out of the tree? | 21:19 |
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| jaypipes | SumitNaiksatam: this doesn't mean to complement anything. It means to subplant it. | 21:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: thats your interpretation, where in the spec does it say this? | 21:20 |
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| jaypipes | SumitNaiksatam: "with the specifics of policy enforcement and | 21:20 |
| jaypipes | implementation left to the underlying policy driver." | 21:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: that is true with the neutron core abstractions as well | 21:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: we have ML2 which has a driver model | 21:20 |
| jaypipes | SumitNaiksatam: for something like FWaaS or LBaaS, it's a distinct resource component of networking. But, GBP aims to essentially replace the main Neutron API with a more declaratgive one, specifically because the more declarative one is in alignment with products from Cisco and others. | 21:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: there are about 5 different vendors who created blueprint specs for writing a GBP driver for the proposed model | 21:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: Cisco is cerntainly one of them | 21:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: but others are certainly not affiliated to Cisco | 21:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: so your concern is that in your opinion because you think this is leaning towards a CIsco model, you would not want to allow it in the tree? | 21:23 |
| jaypipes | no. | 21:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: it sure is coming across like that | 21:25 |
| jaypipes | I said "Cisco and others"... but no, on a technical level, my objections are specific with the API -- endpoints, endpoint groups, etc... but on a philosophical level, my objection is that this is essentially an effort to fundamentally change the network API in Neutron. and I think that should be stated up front, along with the motivations behind that. | 21:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: sure, fair enough | 21:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: however, the fundamental part i agree, but that is a process of evolution | 21:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: however, the supplant part i dont agree | 21:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: the former is explicitly stated in the blueprint | 21:26 |
| jaypipes | SumitNaiksatam: if you go back on the ML, years ago I was arguing for a declarative model of a networking template, instead of the (IMO too-) low-level objects exposed in Neutron | 21:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: the later is not the intention, hence it was not stated | 21:26 |
| jaypipes | SumitNaiksatam: so, I actually support the ideas entirely behind this GBP stuff. | 21:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: very happy to hear htat | 21:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *that | 21:27 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: i will again like to reiterate that every line of what is mentioned in the blueprint spec is exactly what the group is trying to do | 21:27 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: honest to god, there is no hidden agenda or conspiracy here | 21:28 |
| jaypipes | SumitNaiksatam: I guess, to sum up my concerns... I would have actually preferred the blueprint to be called "Let's Scrap the Neutron v2 API". | 21:28 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: but we dont really want to do that | 21:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: this team feels that there is a place for both | 21:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: there are users in different roles who will consume this API differently | 21:29 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: that is somethign that we have again explicitly mentioned in the blueprint spec (at the expense of throwing in a tautology again here) | 21:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: we have clearly pointed out the separation of concerns | 21:30 |
| jaypipes | SumitNaiksatam: isn't the main question here "Which API do we want to expose publicly that will enable the vendors to substitute as much of their backend stuff as possible?" | 21:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: between the “network” admin and the “app” admin | 21:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: definitely, but expose to whom? | 21:31 |
| jaypipes | SumitNaiksatam: yes, I have no disagreement on the different app and network admin roles. | 21:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: as i mentioned here earlier, there is a separation of concerns | 21:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: yeah | 21:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: so we do think that exposing both these levels of abstraction is useful | 21:32 |
| jaypipes | SumitNaiksatam: if all we're talking about here is orchestration of the network components in a cloud, then the "whom" is Nova, as it is the driver of tenant-based commands, and the aforementioned network admin "Ops" | 21:32 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: and that is the part that Neutron’s current imperative API deals with | 21:33 |
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| jaypipes | SumitNaiksatam: which is? Nova or the net admin? | 21:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: but then the app dev/deployer needs to also fit into the shoes of the network admin “ops” to be able to configure his/her app | 21:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: and thats where we intend to complement with this API | 21:34 |
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| jaypipes | SumitNaiksatam: and again, the reason this can't live above and outside of the Neutron tree? (yes, I want to hear you say it...) | 21:34 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: because it complements the current neutron model and fills a gap that is missing today | 21:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: it has been discussed for long | 21:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: and a working implementation is available | 21:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: so its mature in that sense, that users can consume (with usual caveats attached) | 21:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: the caveats are common to any new extension that is being introduced in neutron | 21:36 |
| jaypipes | SumitNaiksatam: you're driving me round the bend :) | 21:36 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: why? | 21:36 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: that is not my intention | 21:37 |
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| jaypipes | SumitNaiksatam: I asked why GBP could *not* live outside and above the Neutron tree, but you answered why you think GBP *should* be in the tree. :) | 21:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: and i am not evidently not good at doing that even if i tried ;-) | 21:37 |
| jaypipes | hehe, no worries, I drive everyone round the bend | 21:37 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: yes, my reasoning is that there seems to be bigger benefit for it being in the tree | 21:38 |
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| kevinbenton | jaypipes: requests coming into neutron have to be verified not to violate policy constraints | 21:40 |
| kevinbenton | jaypipes: that is the major reason i see that it needs to be part of neutron | 21:40 |
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| jaypipes | kevinbenton: sorry, not following exactly... if the policy was stored in GBP living outside of Neutron, why couldn't the GBP code verify policy constraints? | 21:41 |
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| kevinbenton | jaypipes: because someone can make a call directly to neutron | 21:42 |
| kevinbenton | jaypipes: if you eliminate neutron as an accessible API then you can enforce | 21:43 |
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| kevinbenton | jaypipes: but the idea was to avoid that because then things won’t be backwards compatible | 21:43 |
| jaypipes | kevinbenton: but if GBP is truly supposed to be complementary (and not a replacement of the existing Neutron API), then the same would be true if GBP lived in-tree. | 21:43 |
| jaypipes | kevinbenton: in other words, it can't be said that GBP is complementary if it would require the disabling of the plumbing Neutron API> | 21:44 |
| kevinbenton | jaypipes: it doesn’t require disabling it. it just needs to be able to ensure that requests to it don’t violate a policy constraint | 21:45 |
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| kevinbenton | jaypipes: e.g. allow users to use the security groups API, but make sure they never create a rule that allows two isolated groups to talk | 21:46 |
| jaypipes | kevinbenton: I don't quite see the difference. :( | 21:46 |
| kevinbenton | jaypipes: we still allow access to the v2 neutron APIs | 21:47 |
| kevinbenton | jaypipes: we can just put constraints on what can happen | 21:47 |
| kevinbenton | jaypipes: which doesn’t work if GBP is running as some outside service because we can’t intercept those calls | 21:47 |
| jaypipes | kevinbenton: it would if GBP was written as WSGI middleware. | 21:48 |
| jaypipes | kevinbenton: but there's the rub: it can't be, because the goal of GBP is to replace the underlying plumbing in Neutron. | 21:48 |
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| ZZelle_ | kevinbenton, jaypipes, could i share some experience on similar topic? | 21:48 |
| kevinbenton | jaypipes: good thing we had these discussions :-) WSGI middleware almost works | 21:48 |
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| kevinbenton | jaypipes: but it doesn’t capture requests between services inside of neutron | 21:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | jaypipes: hi | 21:49 |
| jaypipes | ZZelle: of course! I don't bite :) | 21:49 |
| jaypipes | hard. | 21:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | jaypipes: i dont know if you got any of my responses | 21:49 |
| jaypipes | kevinbenton: yes, see my response above: | 21:49 |
| jaypipes | kevinbenton: but there's the rub: it can't be, because the goal of GBP is to replace the underlying plumbing in Neutron. | 21:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | jaypipes: i have been having network problems morning today | 21:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | jaypipes: my IRC client showed that i was connected but i was not | 21:50 |
| kevinbenton | jaypipes: i don’t see how you jump to that conclusion | 21:50 |
| jaypipes | SumitNaiksatam_: no worries, I notice you and Dvorkin getting netsplitted often :) | 21:50 |
| rkukura | jaypipes, kevinbenton: One thing I haven’t heard mentioned is the DB-level consistency that needs to be enforced between GP resources and the tradational resources to which they are mapped. Things like foreign keys are very valuable here, and would, IMHO, be unmanageble in a separate repository. | 21:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | jaypipes: dvorking definitely not on side of the split! ;-) | 21:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | jaypipes: that would be scary | 21:50 |
| jaypipes | SumitNaiksatam_: :) | 21:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | side -> my side | 21:50 |
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| jaypipes | rkukura: one sec, lemme answer kevinbenton first :) | 21:51 |
| ZZelle_ | kevinbenton, jaypipes, we had internally quite the same need: how to externalize part of a service without changing the client interaction with services? | 21:51 |
| jaypipes | kevinbenton: ok, so you said above (in response to my suggestion that GBP could be WSGI middleware if the goal was interception): "but it doesn’t capture requests between services inside of neutron" | 21:51 |
| jaypipes | kevinbenton: and to that, I said "that's the rub..." because that statement tells me that it is actually the *service* layer that GBP intends to subplant, not the API. | 21:52 |
| ZZelle_ | jaypipes, we choose to split the service in 2 services, one providing base services, the other one extend ones | 21:52 |
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| kevinbenton | jaypipes: sorry, i’m a little slow. what is the *service* layer? | 21:53 |
| jaypipes | kevinbenton: i.e. the ML2 plugin and below. | 21:53 |
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| ZZelle_ | jaypipes, use a reverse-proxy to route request to the correct service and define special on the "base" service to allow the "extend" service to perform CUD requests not allowed to users direcly | 21:54 |
| kevinbenton | jaypipes: still not following. it doesn’t want to replace that | 21:54 |
| jaypipes | OK, perhaps I am asking the wrong question... | 21:54 |
| ZZelle_ | s/special/special policies/ | 21:54 |
| kevinbenton | jaypipes: there are two parts to GBP here. the new native declaritive API and the enforcement of policy on old API requests | 21:55 |
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| jaypipes | kevinbenton: I guess I am argued out at this point... all of the justification for in-tree GBP seems to come back to wanting to replace large chunks of Neutron core. Otherwise, enforcement of old API requests and a new declarative API could easily be handled using WSGI middleware. | 22:05 |
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| jaypipes | kevinbenton: and note, that I don't necessarily disagree that large chunks of Neutron core could do with a cleaning. But I think that this should be a more transparent point. | 22:06 |
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| kevinbenton | jaypipes: WSGI is close. the only issue is that we can’t capture requests from the service plugins to other plugins | 22:10 |
| openstackgerrit | Michael Smith proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Fixes an issue with FIP re-association https://review.openstack.org/112427 | 22:10 |
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| kevinbenton | jaypipes: i.e. the middleware isn’t ‘middle’ enough | 22:10 |
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| jaypipes | kevinbenton: could you hit me up with a specific example on that? for example, a particular request from one particular plugin to another that needs to be captured | 22:11 |
| jaypipes | ? | 22:11 |
| jaypipes | kevinbenton: that would really help me visualize. | 22:11 |
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| kevinbenton | jaypipes: a load balancer needs to create a port on a network so it makes a call to the core plugin | 22:13 |
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| kevinbenton | jaypipes: there could be policy to audit all port creations on that network, or to ensure that the IPs used by certain device types are loaded into firewall rules somewhere else | 22:14 |
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| jaypipes | kevinbenton: I guess I'm just thick :( I can't see how that can't be done at the WSGI middleware layer. | 22:19 |
| kevinbenton | jaypipes: that request goes directly between plugins inside of the neutron server and doesn’t hit the WSGI layer | 22:20 |
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| jaypipes | kevinbenton: I guess I don't see why the WSGI GBP middleware could not be the originator of the requests to the firewall plugin, based on an incoming port creation request | 22:24 |
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| kevinbenton | jaypipes: the GBP middleware would never see the port creation request | 22:26 |
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| jaypipes | kevinbenton: no? it intercepts all incoming API requests doesn't it? | 22:26 |
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| kevinbenton | jaypipes: no, that’s what i’ve been trying to say. A request from a service plugin to the core plugin does not use the API | 22:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes kevinbenton: i believe that is an artifact of the current neutron implementation? | 22:28 |
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| kevinbenton | jaypipes, SumitNaiksatam: this is why we had to introduce the intercept code at the neutron manager level where the GBP stuff can hook | 22:29 |
| kevinbenton | jaypipes, SumitNaiksatam: sorry, I have to go offline shortly because my laptop battery is going to die and I’m away from my charger | 22:29 |
| jaypipes | no worries | 22:29 |
| jaypipes | I appreciate you taking the time to chat with me | 22:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | kevinbenton: thanks, i missed a lot of the discussion since my connection was dropping | 22:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: not sure if we finished our earlier conversation, or you just continued that with kevinbenton and rkukura | 22:31 |
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| jaypipes | SumitNaiksatam: yeah, different conversation. | 22:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: so are we good to make progress here? | 22:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: i meant with GBP | 22:33 |
| jaypipes | SumitNaiksatam: hehe, well, I wouldn't go that far :) but certainly I understand a bit more about the technical pieces that I did before. | 22:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: so when you say not that “far” - what is the big disconnect? | 22:34 |
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| jaypipes | SumitNaiksatam: well... a) I'm not a Neutron core, so technically it doesn't matter at all what I say about this ;) and b) I still disagree about the term "endpoint" being used in the API in the way it is, and c) I'm argument-ed out and have begun to retreat back into my hermit hole. | 22:35 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: so definitely the terminology is not set in stone | 22:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: if that is your only concern, we can reconside that | 22:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: in fact i asked you on the ML, if you had alternative suggestions | 22:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: i also think that what you say about this does matter | 22:37 |
| jaypipes | SumitNaiksatam: my suggestion on the ML was "network-template" IIRC | 22:37 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: okay, but i think that is more analogous to the “endpoint group” notion that we have | 22:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: not so much to the endpoint | 22:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: we dont have to conjure up a name right now | 22:38 |
| jaypipes | SumitNaiksatam: yes, agreed, though endpoint is really a one-to-one relationship between IP address and endpoint, no? | 22:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: in the default/reference rendering, the endpoint is mapping to a port, which in turn will have an IP address | 22:39 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: however a port always has an ip address (in neutron) | 22:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: whereas an endpoint does not need to have a port association | 22:40 |
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| jaypipes | SumitNaiksatam: what does an endpoint without an IP do? | 22:40 |
| jaypipes | sorry, an endpoint without a port... | 22:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: at that point it would be a placeholder to hang policy without actual binding to a port | 22:41 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: which could potentially be moved around | 22:41 |
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| jaypipes | SumitNaiksatam: seems very load-balancer-y :) | 22:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: well, in some ways yes, loadbalancer is policy driven | 22:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: so the bigger point, are you okay with the GBP abstraction coexisting with the current neutron abstraction? | 22:44 |
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| jaypipes | SumitNaiksatam: :) well, I'm not entirely sold that it is coexisting as much as it is kind of taking over the neutron API. but yes, I'm OK with (and fully support) the concept of a policy-based API abstraction layer in Neutron. | 22:46 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: ok, good to get that feedback | 22:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: what do you think should be the process in dealing with the -2 which has been sitting on the patch since July 2nd? | 22:47 |
| jaypipes | SumitNaiksatam: if s/endpoint-group/network-template/ I'd be even happier ;) | 22:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: yes, we can certainly consider what is a more appropriate terminilogy there | 22:48 |
| jaypipes | SumitNaiksatam: I think that process is working itself out right now on the ML... | 22:48 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: i am asking because the original reasons for the -2 have long been addressed | 22:49 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: is the appropriate process that we put a -2 first and then look for reasons later to justify it? | 22:49 |
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| jaypipes | SumitNaiksatam: It's not my place to say what mmcclain is thinking on that regard -- or mestery for that matter. I recognize this is an important piece and that a number of good folks have been working on it for a long time. But this is likely something that mestery will need to confer with neutron-core on and make the final decision. | 22:51 |
| jaypipes | SumitNaiksatam: and yes, I know you didn't want to hear that non-answer from me ;) | 22:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: my question was a little more general than just this particular patch | 22:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: no i meant to clarify my question | 22:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: in this context your answer is justified | 22:52 |
| jaypipes | SumitNaiksatam: I do think it is appropriate to put a -2 on something and then look for reasons to justify later, yes. | 22:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: ok, thanks | 22:52 |
| jaypipes | SumitNaiksatam: it denotes that there is serious deliberation that should happen about something before someone's concerns are lifted. | 22:52 |
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| jaypipes | and I think that's ok. | 22:52 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: people have reported that a -2 is put and even after new patchsets are uploaded or the circumstances change, the -2 is not revisited | 22:53 |
| jaypipes | SumitNaiksatam: now, do I think that the -2 privilege of cores can sometimes be taken to an extreme? sure. in this case, though, I don't believe it is extreme. | 22:53 |
| jaypipes | SumitNaiksatam: for those circumstances, it is perfectly reasonable for the -2 person to expect to be hounded about it, then :) | 22:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: this might mean that the reviewer is unavailable for whatever reason | 22:53 |
| jaypipes | SumitNaiksatam: oh... well, yeah, for process/emergency reasons like that, I think the PTL should be able to override... | 22:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: i would tend to think that one should be accountable for the -2 he/she puts after a new patchset has been posted | 22:54 |
| jaypipes | SumitNaiksatam: but, in this particular patch, that wasn't the case. | 22:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: at least i hold myself | 22:54 |
| jaypipes | SumitNaiksatam: I agree with that. and I think Mark is attempting to be accountable for that -2 with his discussion on the ML. | 22:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: so i asking, shouldnt this be made a part of the process? | 22:55 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: in this case it was more than a month after putting the -2 | 22:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: during that period we have moved from patch set 13 to 22 | 22:55 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: shouldnt there be something in the process which makes this period of silence more reasonable for the authors of the patch? | 22:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: lets say a week | 22:56 |
| jaypipes | SumitNaiksatam: LOL, that's nothin! :) /me digs up some VMWare patchsets in the 90-100 patches range... | 22:56 |
| jaypipes | SumitNaiksatam: no, in all seriousness, I agree that the wait can be frustrating | 22:57 |
| jaypipes | SumitNaiksatam: and each project should come up with guidelines on acceptable wait times and times that a -2 can hold something up without comment | 22:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: one month in openstack release time periods can kill a patch | 22:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: i can take frustration | 22:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: if the result is positive at the end of it | 22:57 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: in this case, a discussion of this nature was started after leading us on the path of finishing the datapath implementation | 22:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: the -2 was put because the datapath implementation was not complete | 22:59 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: after which there is no response on the review for more than a month, and then the suggestion to complete move the whole thing out | 22:59 |
| ZZelle_ | SumitNaiksatam, it does not seem like a valid reason for a -2 | 22:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: this is after three cores had put a +2 on the patch | 22:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: and you had also reviewed it at that time | 23:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ZZelle_: okay | 23:00 |
| jaypipes | SumitNaiksatam: I think everyone has a right to change their mind on something. I would say that I recognize your frustration and can only say that this should be addressed to the neutron-core team as a whole. | 23:00 |
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| jaypipes | SumitNaiksatam: yes, and I fully acknowledged my guilt/fault for not picking up on the endpoint terminology stuff in my review. | 23:01 |
| ZZelle_ | SumitNaiksatam, IMO, -2 should used to ensure a change is never merged (typically not in line with the roadmap), or some requirements are not satisfied (spec for example) | 23:01 |
| jaypipes | and not better reading the spec, ect | 23:01 |
| jaypipes | etc | 23:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ZZelle_: this effort was initially targeted for J1 | 23:01 |
| ZZelle_ | SumitNaiksatam, outch | 23:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ZZelle_: the patches were put in review during the design summit - circa mid May | 23:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ZZelle_: during and after the design summit we got the feedback that we should break these patches down | 23:02 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ZZelle_: so we did, on may 26th | 23:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | from may 26th to june 2nd we got reviewer feedback ultimately resulting in 3 cores putting a +2 on july 2nd | 23:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | at that point this patch series was blocked becauser a down stream patch to this was not complete (i believe it was WIP) | 23:03 |
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| openstackgerrit | Juergen Brendel proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Enabled Cisco ML2 driver to use new upstream ncclient https://review.openstack.org/112175 | 23:05 |
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| ZZelle_ | SumitNaiksatam, i have the feeling that we need a better gerrit dashboard where changes highlighting priority | 23:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the next response to this was in the mailing list on Aug 4th to move this out of neutro | 23:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | neutron | 23:05 |
| ZZelle_ | oups, where change priority is highlighted | 23:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ZZelle_: i agreee | 23:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ZZelle_ jaypipes: but i am also suggesting that there be established guidelines on how -2s are to be dealt with | 23:06 |
| jaypipes | SumitNaiksatam: no disagreement from me at all. | 23:06 |
| openstackgerrit | Carl Baldwin proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Fix to enable L2pop to serve DVR https://review.openstack.org/112229 | 23:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i think after a -2 is put and the author responsds, it has to be the responsibility of the reviewer with the -2 to justify the persistence of the -2 | 23:07 |
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| ZZelle_ | SumitNaiksatam, i agree, typically, i don't understand the -2 on https://review.openstack.org/100963 because it applies to a specific patchset implementation not the change intention | 23:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | if he/she does not find time to review any more, they should either remove the -2 or bring it up with the PTL | 23:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ZZelle_: i agree | 23:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: sorry to hound you, but since your vocal on the ML, once we fix the naming convetion issue, can we expect your support in moving this forward such that GBP can coexist as an extension in Neutron? | 23:11 |
| * reed read the whole backlog | 23:14 | |
| reed | :) | 23:14 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | reed: thanks | 23:16 |
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| reed | sumitNaiksatam: I think it's clear we have a problem and I'm sorry you're going through this pain | 23:18 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | reed: thanks for listening | 23:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | reed: i am myself a neutron core, and i have so far resisted on venting | 23:19 |
| reed | sumitNaiksatam: will you join the meeting on Monday? | 23:20 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | reed: but the current mailing list discussion, and the suggestion therein to pull this work out after almost a year of effort in complete transparency and in the public | 23:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | reed: is very disturbing | 23:20 |
| reed | i can relate to your pain, indeed | 23:21 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | reed: thanks again for listening | 23:21 |
| reed | sure, no problem | 23:21 |
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| jaypipes | SumitNaiksatam: sorry, stepped away. yes, you can count on me if some of the API is changed. | 23:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: thanks much for engaging on this! | 23:29 |
| jaypipes | SumitNaiksatam: thx for your patience with me :) | 23:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jaypipes: no worries at all, in fact your review suggestions were all very educational for me! | 23:29 |
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