| openstackgerrit | Alessandro Pilotti proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Fixes Hyper-V COM initializazion race condition https://review.openstack.org/128140 | 00:02 |
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| exploreshaifali | kevinbenton, here is latest patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126141/ | 00:02 |
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| exploreshaifali | kevinbenton, have submitted the patch | 00:05 |
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| exploreshaifali | kevinbenton, all right Thanks again. Leaving | 00:16 |
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| kevinbenton | armax: hey | 01:06 |
| armax | kevinbenton: oi | 01:06 |
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| kevinbenton | armax: what was the decision for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127943/ | 01:06 |
| armax | haven’t looked at it yet | 01:07 |
| kevinbenton | armax: ok. i’ll make the small change swami suggested | 01:07 |
| armax | kevinbenton: thanks! | 01:07 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/128040 | 01:08 |
| armax | kevinbenton: I’ll look at it asap | 01:08 |
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| kevinbenton | armax: there is one more i need your feedback on | 01:09 |
| armax | kevinbenton: shoot | 01:09 |
| kevinbenton | armax: I don’t know what to narrow the exception catching to in this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124961/ | 01:09 |
| kevinbenton | armax: reschedule_router is a function that does lots of stuff | 01:10 |
| openstackgerrit | Kevin Benton proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Call DVR VMARP notify outside of transaction https://review.openstack.org/127943 | 01:10 |
| armax | so what prompted you in the first place? | 01:10 |
| armax | kevinbenton: you must have observed an exception at least | 01:10 |
| armax | no? | 01:10 |
| kevinbenton | armax: yeah, one i saw in particular was a “mysql server went away” error | 01:11 |
| kevinbenton | armax: i think another was a connection refused for RPC | 01:11 |
| armax | kevinbenton: so I’d say that DBerror and RPCError would be a good start | 01:12 |
| armax | kevinbenton: or the equivalent for RPC I can’t recall the exact name, no it’s RemoteError | 01:12 |
| kevinbenton | armax: the thing that worries me is that if we miss one, this thing just dies and it’s not an obvious bug for users to run into | 01:12 |
| kevinbenton | armax: but i suppose general DB errors and RPC errors should cover the two I’ve seen | 01:13 |
| armax | kevinbenton: cover both of them should give us exestive protection | 01:13 |
| armax | kevinbenton: having said that I’d be fine with catching broadly | 01:14 |
| armax | but as I said, we need to limit the scope of the try-execept | 01:14 |
| armax | otherwise there’s a danger, of cathing stuff that clearly we don’t want | 01:15 |
| armax | perhaps we can only wrap the reschedule_router method | 01:16 |
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| kevinbenton | armax: that’s not enough, if there are errors with the DB connection, L116 will fail | 01:16 |
| armax | kevinbenton: sorry I hadn’t seen that one | 01:17 |
| armax | oh wait | 01:17 |
| dkehn | armax: when adding a 3rd party DHCP support code which provided an API to the 3rd party DHCP server , where should one place that code, it would be call that one would make from the neutron/agetn/linux/dhcp.py module | 01:17 |
| armax | the query is not issue to the DB not until129 | 01:17 |
| armax | 116 is just query preparation | 01:18 |
| armax | nothing gets issued at that point | 01:18 |
| armax | the sql execute is only done lazely on query object access | 01:18 |
| armax | kevinbenton: I gotta go now, ping me later if you need me | 01:18 |
| openstackgerrit | Dane LeBlanc proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Use EUI64 for IPv6 SLAAC when subnet is specified https://review.openstack.org/101433 | 01:19 |
| openstackgerrit | Dane LeBlanc proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Support Multiple IPv6 Prefixes and Addresses for IPv6 Network https://review.openstack.org/113339 | 01:19 |
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| openstackgerrit | Carl Baldwin proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Make L2 DVR Agent start successfully without an active neutron server https://review.openstack.org/123911 | 01:19 |
| kevinbenton | armax: so should i narrow the catch and the try-except coverage then? | 01:20 |
| armax | dkehn: that would need to be looked into in the context of a larger refactoring but that’s a good place to start | 01:20 |
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| dkehn | armax: in the neutron/agent/linux or would it be the plugin dir? | 01:23 |
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| dkehn | armax: just curious I see that the plugins 3rd party are more switch in nature but still vendor specific | 01:24 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kevin Benton proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Catch exceptions in router rescheduler https://review.openstack.org/124961 | 02:11 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kevin Benton proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Call DVR VMARP notify outside of transaction https://review.openstack.org/127943 | 02:13 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/neutron: Do not assume order of lvm.tun_ofports set elements https://review.openstack.org/112079 | 03:17 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kevin Benton proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Catch exceptions in router rescheduler https://review.openstack.org/124961 | 03:55 |
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| amotoki | xuhanp: pong | 07:44 |
| xuhanp | amotoki, thanks for responding. Just want to check with you about one API change for extra_dhcp_opts | 07:44 |
| amotoki | xuhanp: re: the ML thread on IPv6 extra_dhcp_opts? | 07:45 |
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| xuhanp | amotoki, yep. So if I want to change the API format. Do I need a new neutron spec? | 07:46 |
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| amotoki | xuhanp: yes. API change is better to be discussed in a spec review. | 07:46 |
| xuhanp | amotoki, I see. thanks! I will submit one ASAP | 07:47 |
| amotoki | xuhanp: I know extra_dhcp_opts implementation is a bit odd in the behavior of PUT operation. | 07:47 |
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| xuhanp | amotoki, what do you mean by odd? | 07:48 |
| amotoki | xuhanp: IMHO I prefer to "ip_version" over just "version". "ip_version" is used as subnet attribute, so it sounds better to me if both match. | 07:48 |
| xuhanp | amotoki, that's the plan. to use ip_version | 07:49 |
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| amotoki | xuhanp: In PUT operation of extra_dhcp_opts, the behavior is incremental. | 07:49 |
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| amotoki | xuhanp: a dict of dhcp opts put via API is added to the dict of dhcp opts. It is different behavior from the other PUT operation. | 07:50 |
| xuhanp | amotoki, you mean we can only add new opts instead of changing the existing ones? | 07:50 |
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| amotoki | xuhanp: yes. IIRC I pointed this several times.... but the author disagreed and mark said okay... | 07:52 |
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| amotoki | xuhanp: IIRC we can remove the existing ones. | 07:52 |
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| xuhanp | amotoki, I see. it's an odd operation indeed | 07:53 |
| amotoki | xuhanp: I hope you will make a change carefully on this point :-) | 07:53 |
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| xuhanp | amotoki, will do! at least I can draft a spec and see what we can discuss from there. | 07:54 |
| amotoki | xuhanp: sure. thanks! | 07:54 |
| xuhanp | amotoki, thank you! | 07:54 |
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| pc_m | mestery: ping | 13:39 |
| mestery | pc_m: Hey! In 1:1 with ttx, but whats up? | 13:40 |
| regXboi | mestery: then I'll get in the queue :) | 13:40 |
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| pc_m | mestery: Just wanted to get approval of BP for Kilo (https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/cisco-vpnaas-and-router-integration). I have a BP Spec out for review. | 13:40 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ihar Hrachyshka proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Updated fileutils and its dependencies https://review.openstack.org/128284 | 13:42 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ihar Hrachyshka proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Updated cache module and its dependencies https://review.openstack.org/128286 | 13:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Ihar Hrachyshka proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Updated policy module from oslo-incubator https://review.openstack.org/128287 | 13:42 |
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| mestery | pc_m: Ack, that's on my list for this week | 13:44 |
| pc_m | mestery: thanks! | 13:44 |
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| jschwarz | amotoki, hi - heard you had some more bad rains.. everything alright with you? | 13:51 |
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| amotoki | jschwarz: you seem to catch news from worldwide :-) | 13:54 |
| amotoki | jschwarz: The wind was very strong but the typhoon went away during night and the impact was less than we are afraid before the weekend :-) | 13:54 |
| mestery | amotoki: Hey, question for you sir! | 13:54 |
| mestery | amotoki: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1378525 | 13:54 |
| amotoki | mestery: i just read your mail :-) | 13:54 |
| jschwarz | amotoki, I try to keep myself updated :) | 13:54 |
| mestery | amotoki: Ack, thanks! | 13:54 |
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| amotoki | I think the impact in Horizon is limited because the feature is disabled by default. | 13:55 |
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| amotoki | mestery: so I think we can move forward for RC3. | 13:55 |
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| amotoki | mestery: I can discuss in Horizon meeting two hours later. | 13:56 |
| openstackgerrit | Ihar Hrachyshka proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Migrate to oslo.utils https://review.openstack.org/127257 | 13:56 |
| openstackgerrit | Ihar Hrachyshka proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Updated policy module from oslo-incubator https://review.openstack.org/128287 | 13:56 |
| mestery | amotoki: OK, so we'll do RC3 then. | 13:56 |
| mestery | amotoki: Thank you! | 13:56 |
| amotoki | mestery: I think Horizon can mention this in the release note (or quick fix in Horizon RC3). | 13:56 |
| mestery | amotoki: Cool! | 13:57 |
| amotoki | mestery: anyway i will follow up the change. | 13:57 |
| mestery | amotoki: I'll get ttx and myself to merge those. | 13:57 |
| amotoki | mestery: sounds good. | 13:57 |
| jschwarz | amotoki, could you have a look at a blueprint I wrote? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/integration-tests | 13:59 |
| jschwarz | the more comments the merrier I'll be ;-) | 14:00 |
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| amotoki | jschwarz: sure, but let me look at it later. I would like to start neutron-specs reviews next week. I have several task queues this week :-( | 14:02 |
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| jschwarz | amotoki, it's alright, thanks | 14:02 |
| jschwarz | amotoki, probably need some non-core attention anyway before it's fully ready, so there's much time | 14:02 |
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| amotoki | jschwarz: I think we need a guide how to write integration tests to lower the bar for contributors. | 14:03 |
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| jschwarz | amotoki, marun was saying just that last week at my status with him | 14:04 |
| jschwarz | amotoki, this is way down in the Dev Docs section - still need to hear some other people's opinion about what to put it it | 14:04 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/neutron: Big Switch: Don't clear hash before sync https://review.openstack.org/127345 | 14:04 |
| jschwarz | s/it it/in it/g | 14:05 |
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| amotoki | jschwarz: agree. we need to put our best practice and howtos to the dev docs. I am fairly new to integration tests and I might have silly questions on your reviews... | 14:07 |
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| amotoki | but it will be a good example. | 14:07 |
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| jschwarz | amotoki, there's no such thing as silly questions | 14:09 |
| jschwarz | :) | 14:09 |
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| jschwarz | rossella_s, ping | 14:10 |
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| jschwarz | ijw, hi | 14:11 |
| ZZelle | mestery, hi | 14:11 |
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| jschwarz | ijw_, hi | 14:12 |
| ijw_ | hey | 14:12 |
| mestery | ZZelle ijw_ : Hi! | 14:12 |
| jschwarz | ijw_, I have a question regarding https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/mtu-selection-and-advertisement | 14:13 |
| ZZelle | mestery, one question about https://review.openstack.org/99356 | 14:13 |
| ijw_ | Yup? | 14:13 |
| jschwarz | ijw_, specifically, are you still working on it? :) | 14:13 |
| ijw_ | I'm not working on it right this second. I do want to see it implemented. | 14:13 |
| ZZelle | mestery, i am not sure of the process, should you remove your -2 or should i create a new change for kilo? | 14:13 |
| ijw_ | And for what it's worth I think it's more important to have the API in place than a plugin that implements it. | 14:14 |
| mestery | ZZelle: You will want to update it, the template has changed. I'll remove the -2 now. | 14:14 |
| rossella_s | jschwarz: pong | 14:14 |
| jschwarz | ijw_, a few of our clients also ran into some problems regarding low MTUs with tunnels | 14:14 |
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| jschwarz | ijw_, are you planning on getting this in for Kilo? | 14:14 |
| jschwarz | rossella_s, hi :) I finally uploaded the integration tests patches and bp, and added you as a reviewer where relevant :) | 14:15 |
| ijw_ | Yes | 14:15 |
| ZZelle | mestery, ok, moreover do i need to refine the spec before the design summit | 14:15 |
| jschwarz | ijw_, what kind API do you want to have? | 14:15 |
| ijw_ | It's in the spe | 14:16 |
| ijw_ | c | 14:16 |
| ZZelle | ... i mean ... there are lots of topics in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-neutron-summit-topics which implies potentially a lots of spec/BP for kilo | 14:16 |
| mestery | ZZelle: Not necessary, but the sooner you do it the better | 14:16 |
| mestery | ZZelle: Agreed | 14:16 |
| rossella_s | jschwarz: great! thanks! btw I found the answer regarding the db user and password. It's hard coded in the infra script, see https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/devstack-gate/tree/devstack-vm-gate.sh#n99 | 14:16 |
| ijw_ | Basically, you request your MTU on network create so that the driver has the option to refuse to make the network if it can't make the MTU you want | 14:17 |
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| ZZelle | mestery, so i am not sure it's meaningful to refine too much spec before so "go for it!" approval | 14:17 |
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| ZZelle | s/so/some/ | 14:17 |
| mestery | ZZelle: How about this: I'll make sure neutron-drivers reviews it this week and get back to you Thursday. | 14:17 |
| mestery | OK? | 14:17 |
| ZZelle | mestery, great! | 14:18 |
| jschwarz | ijw_, does this also include lowering the MTUs of the instances using DHCP? | 14:18 |
| openstackgerrit | Ihar Hrachyshka proposed a change to openstack/neutron: switch to oslo.serialization https://review.openstack.org/127306 | 14:18 |
| ZZelle | mestery, Thursday? is there some neutron-drivers meeting on thursday? | 14:18 |
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| jschwarz | rossella_s, talking with marun I understood from him that what we don't want to do is access the database with root permissions | 14:18 |
| jschwarz | rossella_s, that's what the link I posted supposed to solve - basically the post gate hook bash script runs everytime and that sets up a new user for this kind of things (and also that's what we're supposed to use) | 14:19 |
| jschwarz | rossella_s, but the way I see it that patch is still in discussion - not sure that's what's gonna work in the long term | 14:20 |
| mestery | ZZelle: It's on Wednesdays actually | 14:20 |
| jschwarz | in short, need to wait for marun to review your patch :) | 14:20 |
| ZZelle | mestery, oki | 14:21 |
| jschwarz | ijw_, we thought that in the short run (before your blueprint is implemented) we could add a warning if the MTU is too low (ie. if a network is created and tunneling is used, and the physical interface's MTU is 1500, a warning will pop). What do you think about this? | 14:21 |
| rossella_s | jschwarz: ok...anyway I will have a look at the script, thanks! | 14:21 |
| ijw_ | Nearly everyone would get that warning, all the time | 14:21 |
| ijw_ | jschwarz: in practice, the only way to get a full MTU network is to use VLAN networking | 14:22 |
| ijw_ | VXLAN and GRE tend to knock it down, unless the implementations violate the spec and support fragmentation | 14:22 |
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| jschwarz | ijw_, the idea is having a sanity script that's run on deployment | 14:22 |
| jschwarz | but the idea is still getting together | 14:23 |
| ijw_ | In a sanity that would be fine (though again it would almost always be reporting an error) | 14:23 |
| ajo | ijw_ but that warning only needs to happen once | 14:23 |
| jschwarz | rossella_s, ack :) | 14:23 |
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| ajo | then people can correct their interfaces mtu, if that's enought for them | 14:23 |
| jschwarz | ijw_, the warning is supposed to raise awareness (so clients can see that the MTU is too low and might cause problems) | 14:23 |
| jschwarz | what ajo said :) | 14:23 |
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| ijw_ | jschwarz: Well, actually clients of Redhat might see it, but clients of Openstack don't | 14:24 |
| jschwarz | ijw_, see neutron/cmd/sanity_check.py - the script is already there (and all we need to do is get devstack/packstack/... run it once the deployment is done) | 14:25 |
| ajo | ijw_, why "clients of openstack" don't ? | 14:25 |
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| jschwarz | my intention is developing a solution all clients can use :) | 14:25 |
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| ajo | any operator would eventually look at the logs if something is wrong | 14:25 |
| rook | i dont understand how this is RH specific? | 14:25 |
| ajo | me neither :) | 14:26 |
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| rook | This is specific to deployments using GRE/VXLAN... you are telling me no one else uses tunnels? | 14:26 |
| ajo | ijw_, ubuntu set's a chmod a-r on logs! (just kidding , sorry ijw_ ) | 14:26 |
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| ajo | :) | 14:27 |
| jschwarz | XD | 14:27 |
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| ajo | jokes apart, ijw_ I find your spec very interesting | 14:28 |
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| amuller | amotoki: I appreciate your help with https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1378525 | 14:29 |
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| amotoki | amuller: no problem. I believe we can provide better user experience in Juno :-) | 14:29 |
| amuller | amotoki: I hope... | 14:30 |
| jschwarz | amotoki++ | 14:30 |
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| amotoki | amuller: now am writing a quick and small fix in Horizon and will discuss in the horizon meeting today. | 14:31 |
| jschwarz | ijw_, I'd be happy to lend a hand on the spec if you need any such help - let me know if so :) | 14:31 |
| ijw_ | jschwarz: OK - I need to review it again, but it's unlikely to happen this week because I'm on holiday from tomorrow (yay!) | 14:32 |
| jschwarz | ijw_, me too! :) where are you from? | 14:32 |
| ajo | neighbors? :) ;) | 14:33 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/neutron: Handle unused set_context in L3NatTestCaseMixin.floatingip_with_assoc https://review.openstack.org/128178 | 14:33 |
| ijw_ | ajo: and by that comment I meant that you can't, from the API, find out what the MTU is - only the person deploying Openstack can figure it out at the moment. | 14:33 |
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| ajo | yes from the API, of course, ijw_ I mean, your spec is really worth implementing, a simple log message doesn't cover the real needs. | 14:34 |
| jschwarz | carl_baldwin, morning mate - sorry I forgot to ping you earlier regarding the ns_name cleanup stuff | 14:35 |
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| ijw_ | Meaning that 'clients' in general would be clients of a company providing Openstack (jschwartz referred to his clients) but not clients of the API. | 14:35 |
| ajo | but could be a good measure to help operators finding out why they have performance issues when there is fragmentation. | 14:35 |
| ajo | lol :) | 14:35 |
| ijw_ | Technically there shouldn't be fragmentation, it's against the VXLAN spec (though it seems to happen) | 14:35 |
| jschwarz | ajo, ijw_, the idea of the log message is that it can be (easily) backported to earlier versions, whereas the entire spec will probably be more difficult | 14:35 |
| amotoki | ijw_: ajo: what blueprint or review are you discussing? just from my curiosity. | 14:35 |
| carl_baldwin | jschwarz: hi No worries. | 14:36 |
| jschwarz | amotoki, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105989/2/specs/juno/mtu-selection-and-advertisement.rst | 14:36 |
| ajo | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105989/ | 14:36 |
| ijw_ | amotoki: the MTU one, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/mtu-selection-and-advertisement | 14:36 |
| ajo | (DUP) | 14:36 |
| ajo | :) | 14:36 |
| amotoki | ijw_: jschwarz thanks. it looks interesting one. | 14:36 |
| ajo | yes amotoki , it's a pervasive problem when using tunneling | 14:37 |
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| -amotoki- already starred the review. | 14:38 | |
| ajo | amotoki, also, if you try to manipulate MTU in tenant networks, via DHCP options, it will cause problems around... | 14:38 |
| ajo | like qrouters not having the legs with MTU set, etc... | 14:38 |
| jschwarz | carl_baldwin, I +1'd your patch though I think that in the long run this still needs fixing. Specifically using only the L3Agent.get_ns_name (instead of ri.get_ns_name), and maybe moving all that stuff to other classes | 14:38 |
| amotoki | ajo: i understand. I experience the problem too. | 14:38 |
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| ajo | and having a mismatch MTU at router legs and VM legs, causes data loss for >smalles_mtu packets | 14:38 |
| ajo | smallest | 14:38 |
| ajo | amotoki, ack :] | 14:38 |
| openstackgerrit | Jakub Libosvar proposed a change to openstack/neutron: neutron-db-manage finds automatically config file https://review.openstack.org/128309 | 14:39 |
| jschwarz | carl_baldwin, I mean, we have 'get_fip_ns_name', 'get_ns_name', 'get_snat_ns_name', all receive router_id - those functions can be moved to a different namespace | 14:39 |
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| jschwarz | carl_baldwin, likewise get_external_device_name, get_fip_ext_device_name,... which receive port_id, can be moved to their own namespace as well | 14:39 |
| jschwarz | carl_baldwin, What do you think? | 14:39 |
| jschwarz | ajo, I'm not sure that the qrouter's interfaces matter - I remember checking them and they didn't effect the MTU | 14:40 |
| jschwarz | ajo, it was a long day though so I might be mistaken | 14:40 |
| carl_baldwin | jschwarz: Do you want to propose a patch to illustrate what you’re thinking? | 14:41 |
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| jschwarz | carl_baldwin, I could if you want me to ;-) might take a few days though seeing as the rest of the week is a holiday here | 14:41 |
| carl_baldwin | jschwarz: understood | 14:41 |
| jschwarz | carl_baldwin, will ping you back when I have something up and running | 14:41 |
| carl_baldwin | jschwarz: I almost have a spec written about refactoring the L3 agent. | 14:42 |
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| jschwarz | carl_baldwin, also I finally uploaded the integration tests specs and patches - added you as a reviewer to the relevant patches | 14:42 |
| carl_baldwin | I should have had it up on Friday but it wasn’t ready. I’ll try to get it up today. | 14:42 |
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| carl_baldwin | jschwarz: Thanks. | 14:42 |
| jschwarz | carl_baldwin, :) let me know when it's up | 14:42 |
| jschwarz | seems like it's spec season around here XD | 14:42 |
| dkehn | ZZelle: saw your https://review.openstack.org/#/c/99356/ spec, so you are proposing a hook mechanism such that one can extract various informational data, would that be a correct statement? | 14:42 |
| carl_baldwin | I will. | 14:42 |
| ajo | jschwarz, they matter | 14:42 |
| ajo | jschwarz, if you lower mtu into a tenant network | 14:43 |
| ajo | jschwarz, then you also need to lower mtu on the qrouter ports | 14:43 |
| ajo | jschwarz, so VM.mtu = QROUTER.mtu | 14:43 |
| openstackgerrit | Abishek Subramanian proposed a change to openstack/neutron: ML2 Cisco Nexus MD - not overwriting existing config https://review.openstack.org/105514 | 14:43 |
| rook | ajo++ exactly | 14:43 |
| jschwarz | ajo, when I checked that, I didn't have to - but that was 2 weeks ago and was a long day | 14:43 |
| ajo | rook, and not sure if I'm forgetting about other cases | 14:43 |
| jschwarz | I'll make sure :) | 14:43 |
| ajo | rook, there could be the case where we want to rise the external interfaces mtu, instead of lowering the tenant network ports mtu... | 14:44 |
| rook | jschwarz: when testing you need to go both ways (yes... i said it).. | 14:44 |
| rook | jschwarz guest reaching out, and external reaching in | 14:44 |
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| jschwarz | anyway the sanity check is my next work item, so I should have something in the next week or so | 14:44 |
| jschwarz | rook, lol | 14:44 |
| zilberstein | hello #openstack-neutron | 14:44 |
| zilberstein | Stderr: "device qbr87085844-8f already exists; can't create bridge with the same name\n" | 14:44 |
| zilberstein | the same with linuxbridge | 14:44 |
| zilberstein | why ? | 14:44 |
| ajo | jschwarz, the problem only happens when you transfer big packets out->in via the floating ip | 14:44 |
| zilberstein | ( this is what nova reports ) | 14:44 |
| jschwarz | rook, yes, I understand the logic | 14:44 |
| ajo | VM.mtu=1400 | 14:44 |
| ajo | Qrouter.mtu=1500 | 14:44 |
| ajo | you receive a packet from external network which is 1500... you send it to the VM as-is... | 14:45 |
| jschwarz | btw, why not use jumbo frames and be done with it? ajo, rook, ijw_ | 14:45 |
| ajo | (without fragmenting) | 14:45 |
| ajo | the VM drops it | 14:45 |
| rook | lol | 14:45 |
| jschwarz | increase MTU of phys and others to 9000 | 14:45 |
| ajo | jschwarz, not all nets will allow that, | 14:45 |
| ajo | specially if you cross over routers | 14:45 |
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| ijw_ | jschwarz: So, if I give you an API endpoint, is it deployed on a jumbo frame infrastructure? | 14:45 |
| ajo | but, that's the most performant option | 14:45 |
| ijw_ | That's the more important question | 14:45 |
| jschwarz | I'd think most hardware know how to deal with jumbo frames.. | 14:46 |
| ijw_ | And I can only find out if there's an API facility to ask | 14:46 |
| rook | some applications are latency sensitive, and will not like a 9k mtu | 14:46 |
| jschwarz | ack | 14:46 |
| ajo | rook explain | 14:46 |
| ijw_ | Also also, you can have large MTU Openstack deployments with small-MTU provider networks (which I've seen happen) | 14:46 |
| ajo | ideally we may have both options | 14:46 |
| ajo | but, I see the capability to adjust tenant networks mtu, more critical | 14:47 |
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| rook | ajo stock-market apps are ns sensitive they don't want to wait to fill a 9k frame. | 14:47 |
| rook | ns time sensitive** | 14:48 |
| ijw_ | They don't have to wait, 9k MTUs are permitted, not required | 14:48 |
| jschwarz | rook, maybe join us in bluejeans and we can talk about it in the meeting tonight? | 14:48 |
| rook | much agreed | 14:48 |
| ijw_ | Also, no-one with an ounce of sense runs latency sensitive apps virtualised | 14:48 |
| rook | ijw_: this is referring to jschwarz's comment about "lets make everything a 9k party!" | 14:48 |
| jschwarz | rook, whoa, I didn't call it a party! XD | 14:48 |
| rook | haha | 14:48 |
| ijw_ | Yes, and even on a network with 9k MTUs I can send any packet size I want | 14:48 |
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| rook | ijw_: lol | 14:48 |
| rook | ijw_: ever hear of nfv? | 14:49 |
| ijw_ | So latency isn't simply longer just because 9k packets are possible | 14:49 |
| rook | it is coming ;) | 14:49 |
| ajo | ijw_, true | 14:49 |
| rook | ijw_ it is a factor in some latency sensitive applications. but i digress.. | 14:49 |
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| ijw_ | rook: There's a difference between NFV and 'let me do high speed trading in VMs because what could possibly go wrong' | 14:50 |
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| ajo | rook, may be it depends on the protocol implementation | 14:50 |
| rook | ijw_ we would be ignorant not to think people wont try it. | 14:50 |
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| rook | but the conversation is more about warning the user/administrator they config is fubar. | 14:50 |
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| rook | their* | 14:51 |
| ijw_ | rook: what you're saying bears some relation to the truth - specifically, if you're sharing a network with other connections that use 9k MTUs you may see worse latency (but then you would anyway beacuse other processes would be flooding your pipes) | 14:51 |
| ijw_ | rook: actually the conversation was originally about the spec | 14:51 |
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| * jschwarz will never say "9000 MTU" again | 14:52 | |
| rook | lol | 14:52 |
| jschwarz | btw, "it's over 9000" anyone? XD | 14:52 |
| jschwarz | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiMHTK15Pik&spfreload=10%20Message%3A%20Unexpected%20end%20of%20input%20(url%3A%20https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DSiMHTK15Pik) | 14:52 |
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| jschwarz | ijw_, I think we can call it a day with "there are plenty of people around wanting to help with the spec so lets talk about it next week when we have some time" | 14:53 |
| jschwarz | ajo, rook ^ | 14:54 |
| ijw_ | Sounds good to me ;) | 14:54 |
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| jschwarz | ijw_, you never said where you're from in the world? | 14:54 |
| rook | jschwarz: | 14:54 |
| ijw_ | Nope, and that's a complex question | 14:54 |
| ijw_ | In the bay area at the momment | 14:54 |
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| rook | i will try to make a call/irc meeting. | 14:54 |
| rook | early for the bay area! | 14:55 |
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| jschwarz | ijw_, uhuh. asked because we also have a vacation for the rest of the week in Israel | 14:55 |
| ijw_ | Ah - no, I'm just taking some time off, nothing special | 14:55 |
| rook | jschwarz: i am on the east coast, NC | 14:55 |
| jschwarz | time off ftw | 14:55 |
| ijw_ | And yes, far too early for the bay area ;) | 14:55 |
| openstackgerrit | Salvatore Orlando proposed a change to openstack/neutron-specs: Reliable quota enforcement specification https://review.openstack.org/128318 | 14:56 |
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| rook | ijw_ lol, I remember working at Cisco, and being n the East Coast was horrible... all SJ/Bay area meetings were EST lunch time. | 14:56 |
| jschwarz | rook, call/irc meeting will be nice :) | 14:56 |
| ijw_ | rook: I was working in Europe, and my working hours were roughly about 10:30am to 2am | 14:57 |
| rook | OUCH | 14:57 |
| rook | I do not function well after 2100 | 14:57 |
| jschwarz | markmcclain, ping | 14:59 |
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| ijw_ | I don't really function well before 1000 | 14:59 |
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| ijw_ | Which is why I hate people on the east coast with their early morning meetings and their 3 hours of chippiness | 14:59 |
| amotoki | ijw_: 2am on bed? | 15:00 |
| rook | I am one of those assholes | 15:00 |
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| ihrachyshka | eezhova: hi | 15:08 |
| ihrachyshka | eezhova: do you need that oslo.log sync for policy patch? | 15:08 |
| amuller | marun: Morning | 15:09 |
| marun | amuller: morning | 15:09 |
| jschwarz | morning marun :) | 15:11 |
| marun | jschwarz: morning! | 15:12 |
| ihrachyshka | eezhova: seems like log module is already fresh in my sync series | 15:12 |
| ihrachyshka | eezhova: let me put your patch in the series | 15:12 |
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| ZZelle | dkehn, it allows to include business command in dhcp management workflow | 15:29 |
| ZZelle | dkehn, like configuring a security component | 15:29 |
| dkehn | ZZelle: ah | 15:29 |
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| ZZelle | dkehn, but that's my usecase perhaps you could find others :) | 15:29 |
| dkehn | ZZelle: I'm wortking on providing an 3rd party DHCP server and relay, and wondering of the impacts that this might present | 15:30 |
| dkehn | ZZelle: if any | 15:30 |
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| ZZelle | normally no impact | 15:31 |
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| ZZelle | dkehn, perhaps it will simplify the integration | 15:31 |
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| ZZelle | dkehn, as workflow will be implemented on one side and actions on the other side | 15:32 |
| dkehn | ZZelle: possibly, need to review a bit more | 15:32 |
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| ZZelle | dkehn, your driver should replaces actions not workflow | 15:32 |
| dkehn | ZZelle: true, I'm think that really, by the time the driber see it, we are just translating from dnsmasq to another DHCP server requests and setups | 15:33 |
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| jschwarz | mestery, thanks for the review - i'll have a look asap :) | 15:34 |
| mestery | jschwarz: Thanks for the BP and work on integration tests! | 15:34 |
| jschwarz | it's a pleasure :) | 15:35 |
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| ZZelle | dkehn, so i could help (don't remember how dhpc_agent and dhcp module are linked) | 15:36 |
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| dkehn | ZZelle: ask request from VMs comes in the agent is requested to dela with the setup via the driver sync_state, in its current form it involves determining the DHCP port on a subnet and re-writing the output file and bouncing dnsmasq | 15:38 |
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| dkehn | ZZelle: thought the relay portion of this I'm not sure | 15:39 |
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| dkehn | mcaulfie: anything to add? | 15:40 |
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| amotoki | mestery: regarding L3-HA Horizon support, there is a possible bug for RC3 and if it is in we will have the fix in RC3. otherwise we will cover it in the release note and backport it in the stable update. | 16:33 |
| mestery | amotoki: Ackl | 16:33 |
| amotoki | it is reasonable and same as we discussed. | 16:34 |
| mestery | amotoki: Perfect | 16:34 |
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| openstackgerrit | Hao Chen proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Change "v6" to "ipv6" https://review.openstack.org/127067 | 16:39 |
| mlavalle | mestery: I replied to your email regarding qa | 16:39 |
| mestery | mlavalle: Ack, got it sir. | 16:39 |
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| mlavalle | mestery: so i would like some guidance as to next step. we can talk in Paris, when you have a clearer perspective on kilo. in the meantime i am reading a lot of code and playin with devstack | 16:43 |
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| mestery | mlavalle: Ack | 16:51 |
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| openstackgerrit | Vivekanandan Narasimhan proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Race for l2pop when ports go up/down on same host https://review.openstack.org/123403 | 17:05 |
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| afaranha | Hello guys, I'm just starting at Neutron and would like to know what's the neutron service in rejoin-stack screen, can anyone help me? | 17:07 |
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| jschwarz | markmcclain, hi, got a minute to discuss https://review.openstack.org/#/c/117142/ ? | 17:33 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ihar Hrachyshka proposed a change to openstack/neutron: WIP: Sync policy from oslo-incubator https://review.openstack.org/123673 | 17:43 |
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| ihrachyshka | afaranha: q-svc | 17:44 |
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| ihrachyshka | afaranha: that stands for quantum-service (quantum is an old name of neutron that was dropped in havana I guess) | 17:44 |
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| Sukhdev | mestery: Any chance of planning for RC3? | 17:45 |
| mestery | Sukhdev: Yes, and unfourtanetly your patch didn't make the cut after discussion with ttx today. | 17:45 |
| mestery | It can be backported to the .1 release in < 6 weeks. | 17:46 |
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| Sukhdev | mestery: Yike!! how come? | 17:46 |
| mestery | Sukhdev: For RC3, we only put two bugs in: One which was a 5 character change, and one which removed approx. 30 lines of code. | 17:46 |
| mestery | Very low risk stuff. | 17:46 |
| Sukhdev | mestery: .1 is for Kilo? | 17:46 |
| afaranha | ihrachyshka: I'm having some issues due to Neutron policy, actually list agents is a admin only operation, but I don't get permission error when listing it using user demo, is there any known issue with policies in Neutron? | 17:46 |
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| mestery | No, the first dot release of Juno stable. | 17:46 |
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| Sukhdev | mestery: when does the official Juno release goes out? | 17:47 |
| ihrachyshka | afaranha: sorry, no idea | 17:47 |
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| mestery | Thursday | 17:47 |
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| afaranha | ihrachyshka: I'll see that, Thanks :) | 17:48 |
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| Sukhdev | mestery: So, can you please tag it for back port to .1 release, please? | 17:48 |
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| mestery | Sukhdev: Yes sir, you can propose the cherry-pick back once we open stable/juno for patches | 17:49 |
| mestery | Or I can do it, either way. | 17:49 |
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| Sukhdev | mestery: I have not done it, so not familiar with the process - do not want to miss the boat :-) | 17:50 |
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| mestery | Sukhdev: I'll make sure it happens sir. | 17:50 |
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| Sukhdev | mestery: Thank you so much…..when will stable/juno open for patches? | 17:51 |
| mestery | Sukhdev: Sure! Once we release it Thursday, I expect stable/juno to open after that. | 17:51 |
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| Sukhdev | mestery: cool - will keep an eye out and possibly bug you early next week - hope that is OK | 17:52 |
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| ZZelle_ | mestery, hi² | 18:40 |
| mestery | ZZelle_: Hi there sir! | 18:41 |
| ZZelle_ | mestery, one question about the new neutron-specs template | 18:41 |
| mestery | ZZelle_: Shoot! | 18:41 |
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| ZZelle_ | mestery, the "Community Impact" section will be written by spec owner or neutron-driver cores? | 18:42 |
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| mestery | ZZelle_: spec owner, just how it will impact the community going forward, does it fit with the direction the community is going, etc. | 18:43 |
| ZZelle_ | mestery, oki, not fully sure to know what to write | 18:44 |
| mestery | ZZelle_: I'm sure reviewers will comment if it misses the mark ;) | 18:45 |
| ZZelle_ | mestery, argh ... i hate reviewers :) | 18:45 |
| mestery | ZZelle_: :P | 18:45 |
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| roaet | mestery: ping, what is the best e-mail to contact you from? | 19:10 |
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| roaet | mestery: thanks! | 19:11 |
| mestery | roaet: Sure! | 19:11 |
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