Wednesday, 2014-11-12

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ChuckCmestery: hi00:54
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openstackgerritYAMAMOTO Takashi proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Remove ryu plugin  https://review.openstack.org/13339202:25
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xuhanpbaoli, ping02:29
baolixuhanp: hi02:30
xuhanpI just replied your comments on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/129118/, can you take a look?02:30
baolixuhanp: ok02:30
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baolixuhanp: dhcpv4 and dhcpv6 options are all standardized, right?02:34
xuhanpbaoli, I didn't find the exact RFC describing the option names.02:35
xuhanpall I know is from dnsmasq --help dhcp02:35
baolitry dnsmasq --help dhcp602:40
xuhanpbaoli, doesn't work for dhcp602:44
xuhanpor dhcpv602:44
baolixuhanp, which version of dnsmasq you are using?02:45
xuhanpbaoli, let me try a newer version02:45
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baolixuhanp, all the dhcp and dhcpv6 options are defined in RFCs. each option has an ID as displayed by the dnsmasq --help02:46
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baolixuhanp, but dnsmasq also uses the names for each option ID, as displayed by the --help02:47
xuhanpbaoli, OK. I can see the option for v6 now. But there are some same option name in dhcpv4 and dhcpv602:47
baolithe IDs are defined by RFCs, but the names are defined by each implementation, I think02:48
xuhanpbaoli, that's my thought02:48
xuhanpI didn't find option names in RFC only ID02:48
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baolixuhanp, that's right, RFC doesn't define option names, but IDs02:49
baolixuhanp, due to the same name for v4 and v6, dnsmasq uses option: or option6: to qualify the name02:49
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xuhanpbaoli, that's why I think we should apply the option to both v4 and v6 when ip_version is not specifiied02:50
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baolixuhanp, I understand. but if dnsmasq requires the names to be qualified, I don't know why neutron does it differently.02:52
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baolixuhanp, but it just my opinion02:53
xuhanpbaoli, you mean you want validation of option names?02:53
xuhanpbaoli, I was worried about option name validation makes neutron API binding too tight with dnsmasq02:54
baolixuhanp: no. The validation, if any,  may be tied up with the dhcp driver, but not with the API.02:55
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xuhanpbaoli, oh, right. that makes sense02:56
xuhanpbaoli, I can definitely do that by providing a list of supported options by dnsmasq02:57
baolixuhanp: but on the neutron API, what's the option name you are going to use?02:57
baolixuhanp, if you use a different name, then the driver needs to map it. If you use the name of the driver's, then it's not portable any more when a different dirver is used.02:58
baoliThe current implementation didn't take this into consideration, I think02:59
baoliI tried to use an option name such as "abc", and it's accepted.02:59
xuhanpbaoli, what about just using the dnsmasq option name for now and refactor it when a new implementation is added?02:59
baoliwhen dnsmasq handles the option "abc", it just ignores it since the option doesn't exist02:59
baolixuhanp, that should be fine. But basically, the option name for dnsmasq is option:<name> or option6:<name>03:00
xuhanpbaoli, that's why we added ip_version to keep it backward compatible.03:01
baolixuhanp, so the issue is about the default value of ip_version if it's not present03:02
baoliOn the other hand, if we choose to use dnsmasq option names, then it should be eiterh option:<name> or option6:<name>03:02
xuhanpSo I think based on our discussion here, we can just guess the ip_version from the option name instead of option value if ip_version is not specified.03:03
baolixuhanp, we don't need to guess. It should be default to ipv4 to keep it compatible03:04
xuhanpI think we can just use <name> here in API and populate the option: or option6 as the current implementation.03:04
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baolixuhanp, if you add the ip_version03:05
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xuhanpbaoli, that's from the migration perspective, right?03:06
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xuhanpwhen the option name applies to both v4 and v6, we only apply it to v4 if ip_version is not specified?03:07
baolixuhanp, thinking that it currently supports v4 option only, I think that's what I would do to keep it compatible.03:08
xuhanpbaoli, that of course makes thing easier.03:09
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xuhanpbaoli, how about I added that to the spec and see what other folks' opinions?03:10
baolixuhanp, that sounds good to me. If it covers what we need to achieve, easier is better03:10
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xuhanpbaoli, agree. will update the spec soon. Thanks a lot for the discussion!03:10
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baolixuhanp, hopefully I didn't confuse you03:11
xuhanpbaoli, nope. Your point is well understood :-)03:11
baolixuhanp, cool, thanks for listening03:11
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trinathsmestery: ping05:56
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a12neutron experts a question : Can the br-ex connect to multiple interfaces on DEvstack host06:23
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a12the reason why I ask is that Devstack host has eth0 and eth1 on two deifferent networks .... I have br-ex connected eth0 and i can ping ips from VM seen through eth0 if devstack host but how can i achieve the same for ips seen through eth1 of devstack host06:24
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marios_o/06:49
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garykjogo: you around?07:09
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garykjogo: you around08:22
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hbaaronhi, has anybody successfully setup icehouse with provider network is vlan?09:21
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hbaaronwe encounter the problem that when pinging from vm to provider network router, the packtes end-up at br-ex09:22
hbaaronwe're using RDO release09:22
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hbaaronhello, anybody here can help on a neutron setup issue? we have encountered issues that when provider network is vlan, the icmp packtes to provider network router will end up at br-ex. we're using RDO release icehouse09:25
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hbaaronhello, anybody here can help on a neutron setup issue? we have encountered issues that when provider network is vlan, the icmp packtes to provider network router will end up at br-ex. we're using RDO release icehouse09:36
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garykjogo: ping09:43
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yamahatarkukura: ping? Is IRC meeting on ML2 held today?10:42
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yalieanyone knows that ml2 meeting will open today?10:54
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garykjogo: ping13:04
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garykZZelle: thanks for the translation stuff. now we just need our good friend karma to help out13:28
ZZellegaryk, :)13:28
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ihrachyshkagaryk: hey. do we have translators on board to actually do translation? without them, the work may be worthless.13:37
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garykihrachyshka: not sure that i follow. the purpose of the patch sets are to remove translations from debug logs and to add hints. the translations themselves are orthogonal.13:39
garyki think that we have an army of those working as we speak :)13:39
garykthere is a team here tranlating into arikaans around the clock13:40
garykafrikaans13:40
garykthe removal of the debug translations is meant to improve performance13:40
ihrachyshkagaryk: actual stats are at: https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/neutron/13:40
ihrachyshkagaryk: we don't ship any translations with coverage < 75%13:41
ihrachyshkaso atm there are no translations available for users13:41
ihrachyshkaand I doubt we'll see any in near to middle future since neutron is not that interesting as e.g. horizon13:41
ihrachyshkagaryk: ah, performance? that's something indeed13:42
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garykthis work was done in nova in icehouse.13:43
garyki see no reason why we should not do this.13:43
ihrachyshkagaryk: I don't say we should not, I just expressed concern that we put efforts into translations while we don't have translators. but if it's for performance, that's fine.13:44
garykihrachyshka: understood. i think that we have done 95% of the work. all we need now is 2 cores to jump aboard.13:45
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ihrachyshkagaryk: great. so I don't need to step in, right? :)13:45
garykihrachyshka: i think that we are ok at the moment. karma for the reviews would help (i think), but then again you never know13:45
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ihrachyshkagaryk: another tech dept thing relevant to translations is switching to oslo.i18n. but I'm blocked on that matter by policy sync patch that is stuck in review queue for quite long.13:49
ihrachyshkas/dept/debt13:50
ihrachyshkagaryk: ah, you already put +2 there... thanks:)13:51
garykmy middle name is debt!13:51
garykihrachyshka: i was hoping that salv-orlando could look at that - he is the policy guy13:52
ihrachyshkagaryk: I've asked both salv-orlando and mark before. probably busy with other stuff :)13:52
ZZellegaryk, it seems you should relook at https://review.openstack.org/11084913:53
salv-orlandoif it’s been over a week ago, I’ve probably forgot it13:53
ZZellesalv-orlando, eat more fish, it's good for the memory :)13:53
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salv-orlandoZZelle: poisson ~= poison13:54
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enikanorov_ZZelle: are you the author of ml2/drivers/helpers.py?13:55
ZZelleenikanorov, yes13:55
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ZZellesalv-orlando, rofl13:55
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ZZelleenikanorov, if there is a bug on it, you can assign it to me (i provide support also!)13:56
enikanorov_ZZelle: there is a major problem with tunnel id allocation logic (the one with retries)13:56
enikanorov_i'm fixing one right now and i'd like to discuss the best approach to it13:56
ZZelleenikanorov, outch13:56
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ZZelleenikanorov, is there a bug to describe the failing usecase?13:56
enikanorov_ZZelle: yes, so about the problem. the code does retries to allocate the tunnel13:56
enikanorov_ZZelle: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/138206413:57
enikanorov_the issue is that reties don't work well with transactions13:57
enikanorov_the problem is, however, that the method is deeply inside nested transactions13:58
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ZZelleenikanorov_, one sec, let me read comments on your change13:59
enikanorov_so the solution that would work is to get tunnel id allocation logic out of transaction13:59
enikanorov_the change in it's form is not working, because the method itself is called under transaction13:59
enikanorov_*in its current form14:00
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rkukurayamahata, yalie: Thinking about cancelling this week’s ML2 meeting.14:00
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ZZelleenikanorov, indeed14:01
ZZelleenikanorov, i remember some discussion about mysql + transaction trouble in a previous change, let me check14:02
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enikanorov_ZZelle: my thinking is that such approach (the one with retries) in general leads to whole other way of working with DB14:05
enikanorov_I mean you can't just couple together such logic and some other DB operation in a way that they are atomic14:06
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enikanorov_e.g. cant do tunnel allocation and another DB operation under 1 transaction14:06
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enikanorov_ZZelle: So my Idea for this method is quite drastic: let it return not just the result of allocation, but also a transaction, that to be used to perform consequent operations14:07
ZZelleenikanorov, not sure to understand ... you want to move the loop outside of the root transaction?14:08
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enikanorov_ZZelle: no14:08
enikanorov_ZZelle: the idea is that once you're good with tunnel allocation, you don't commit the transaction, you return it as one of results of the method and use for further operations14:09
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enikanorov_the problem is that whole call chain needs to be refactored just for that need14:10
enikanorov_in pseudocode:14:11
enikanorov_for i in xrange(num_retries):14:11
ZZellebut enikanorov if you do so, nothing ensures someone else allocates the same tunnel?14:11
enikanorov_    tx.begin()14:11
enikanorov_     if alloc is good:14:11
enikanorov_             return alloc, tx14:11
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enikanorov_ZZelle: yep, true. even calling flush() will have no effect until tx is committed14:12
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ZZelleenikanorov, so retries becomes useless?14:13
enikanorov_ZZelle: and apparently that leaves us with the conclusion that once we use retry logic we need to use retry logic for every related operation (that we intended to put under the same transaction_14:14
enikanorov_and no transactions at all, apparently14:14
ZZelleenikanorov, which implies troubles with precommit hooks and multi-provider networks?14:15
amullerihrachyshka: please see my last comment on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/133506/14:16
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enikanorov_ZZelle: no transactions means any kind of race conditions14:19
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enikanorov_ZZelle: funny thing is that the very issue described in the bug was fixed by removing all transactions in the call chain14:19
ZZelleenikanorov, there is an other way14:19
ihrachyshkaamuller: thanks14:20
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amullerihrachyshka: If you think I'm wrong there I'll remove my -1, however you feel and according to your time constraints14:20
ZZelleamuller, ihrachyshka, if need i can help for the functional testing14:20
enikanorov_ZZelle: ?14:20
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ZZelleenikanorov, helpers addresses 2 usecases differently: full and partial specs allocation14:21
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ZZelleenikanorov, because when you are performing partial specs allocation you don't know which segment you try to allocate14:22
kitch_Question for the room. I think that this concept is sane, but would love a sanity check. If I am currently creating a single Network node that is running neutron-server, ovs, and L3 agent. I’m assuming that I could create anotehr network node that ran OVS and L3 Agent and this could be used to create additional l3 routers for other external networks?14:22
ZZelleenikanorov, which implies to select a candidate,  tries to allocate it if still unallocated and retries in case of failure14:23
enikanorov_ZZelle: that's usual case, imo14:23
ZZelleenikanorov, so a solution is to avoid the two step allocation ...14:23
ZZelleenikanorov, it's possible but it implies to add an extra column to segment tables14:25
irenabrkukura: is there ml2 meeting today?14:25
rkukurairenab: I’m leaning towards cancelling it this week.14:26
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ihrachyshkaZZelle: I'll be off from neutron for the next week, so if you have ideas/time to start on the matter during this time, you can grab that for the time being.14:27
irenabrkukura: thanks14:28
ZZelleihrachyshka, ok, will try :)14:28
ZZelleenikanorov, if you want i can propose a new patchset based on this idea14:29
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ZZelleihrachyshka, do we perform only positive functional tests or also negative ones?14:30
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enikanorov_ZZelle: i'm looking at the code and actually thinking that it might be ok to just do these 2 steps without transaction. practically that should work fine.14:33
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ZZelleenikanorov, but if we create a multi provider network, we need a global transaction ?14:34
enikanorov_but tunnel allocation is called once, no?14:34
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ZZelleenikanorov,  yes but the bug affects the helpers so vlan, gre and vxlan :s14:35
enikanorov_speaking about the practical outcome, creating provider networks is not that racy  as tenant networks14:36
enikanorov_so we might add NOTE in the code and be just fine14:36
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ihrachyshkaZZelle: I don't think we have any clear guidelines (=freedom)14:38
ihrachyshkaZZelle: between positive and negative tests, I vote for sane ones14:38
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ZZelleenikanorov, ok14:50
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openstackgerritAnn Kamyshnikova proposed openstack/neutron: Convert all incoming protocol numbers to string  https://review.openstack.org/13348914:59
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ChuckCgaryk: could you take a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/129085/ again?15:15
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ChuckCgaryk: there's been an alternate proposal15:15
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openstackgerritDoug Wiegley proposed openstack/neutron: run_tests.sh script fixes OS X grep error, empty OS_TEST_PATH bug  https://review.openstack.org/10623715:21
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garykChuckC: sure, will take a look.15:23
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trinathsmestery: ping15:26
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JayJI have a deployment with two FLAT networks, with DHCP. It appears to be workign fine except I can ping the IPs of the VMs that are shutdown. This is totally wierd. Can anybody help me see what might be wrong? Config detals: http://pastebin.com/84E68kn315:26
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ChuckCgaryk: I just now added a comment to that review15:28
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JayJip netns  exec qdhcp-6501c158-5434-4fa2-93c9-3855131aa283 arp -a shows multiple IPs for the same tap device. Is that normal?15:28
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garykChuckC: thanks15:29
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openstackgerritRomil Gupta proposed openstack/neutron: Update i18n translation for ML2 plugin log msg's  https://review.openstack.org/13099215:30
busterswtJayJ yes, it is normal to see that. the tap interface is the interface where those mac addresses are seen15:33
busterswtJayJ as for why you can ping addresses when the VMs that own them are down... are there any non-openstack devices in the same network possibly using the same ip?15:33
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JayJbusterswt: No there are no dup IPs. This was workign fine. Meaning I shutdown the VM pings stop. One of our tests, we rebooted the Controller node. After that I can ping any VM's IP even though they are shutoff.15:35
busterswtJayJ They appear SHUTOFF in nova list? Can you verify on the compute node that the VMs aren't plugged into the bridge and running?15:37
JayJbusterswt: yes they are. If you search for instance-00000023  in this http://pastebin.com/84E68kn315:38
JayJbusterswt: you see it is shutdown. Rebooting the controller has somethign to do with it15:38
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openstackgerritJakub Libosvar proposed openstack/neutron: Separate wait_until to standalone function  https://review.openstack.org/12510915:40
openstackgerritJakub Libosvar proposed openstack/neutron: Add Process class helper to manage processes with namespace  https://review.openstack.org/12220715:40
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busterswtthere may be a setting in nova.conf that causes that behavior - resume_guests_state_on_host_boot15:43
busterswtor actually15:43
busterswtyou said they were shutdown prior... so maybe it's virsh that is doing it, i dunno15:43
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JayJbusterswt: we rebooted the controller node. Then I was not able to ssh into the VM. Then figuredout that the pings are returning not from the VM. Then I shutdown the VM to confirm. Btw, I just spun off a VM and it works perfectly. Its the VMs prior to controller reboot that have this problem15:45
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sudorandomIs it possible to have a mechanism ml2 driver live outside of the neutron.ml2.mechanism_drivers namespace?16:03
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sudorandomNevermind, that's a entry point. Ignore me16:03
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n1__neutron Gurus I have ... does this br-ex on Devstack to connect to eth0 of the host16:09
n1__Can it be connected to eth1 as well ?16:10
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rossella_sakamyshnikova: hello! can I ask you a quick question?16:29
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openstackgerritCedric Brandily proposed openstack/neutron: WIP Remove broad exception catch from _periodic_sync_routers_task  https://review.openstack.org/13151016:46
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/neutron: Purge use of "PRED and A or B" poor-mans-ternary  https://review.openstack.org/11084916:55
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vhosakothi, I have a shared network, and see a an error "conflict (HTTP 409)" when I delete it using neutron net-delete.... how can I delete this shared network ?17:25
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vhosakotcan anyone help me please17:28
garykjogo: you around?17:29
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vhosakotwow, it is a bug.. https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1293184... guess I need to unstack my DevStack17:40
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openstackgerritMichael Smith proposed openstack/neutron: Fix for FIPs duplicated across hosts for DVR  https://review.openstack.org/13358017:51
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n3is it possible to add two values for OVS_PHYSICAL_BRIDGE : br-ex and br-eth118:16
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openstackgerritRussell Bryant proposed openstack/neutron: Drop RpcProxy usage from PluginReportStateAPI  https://review.openstack.org/13393818:21
openstackgerritRussell Bryant proposed openstack/neutron: Drop usage of RpcProxy from L3PluginApi  https://review.openstack.org/13373918:21
openstackgerritRussell Bryant proposed openstack/neutron: Drop RpcProxy usage from MetadataPluginApi  https://review.openstack.org/13374018:21
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garykjogo: do you have a sec to speak about https://review.openstack.org/9401818:38
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russellbmarun: super delayed reply ... but i'm getting prompted for sudo password when just running unit tests (tox -e py27).  i haven't taken the time to track down which tests are doing it though18:45
russellbor hm, maybe that's running both unit and functional ...18:47
marunrussellb: it shouldn't18:47
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marunrussellb: only dsvm-functional sets the flag OS_SUDO_TESTING that allows sudo-requiring tests to run18:47
marunrussellb: you can check the tox.ini for details18:47
jogogaryk: yeah, back from paris and now catching up with things18:47
marunrussellb: so if you're seeing sudo prompts for py27 it should be an error18:47
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russellbmarun: ok, it's happily continuing once i give it the pw ... i'll see if i can track it down18:48
garykjogo: thanks. just wanted to know if you are in favor so that we can move this support in neutron. we did this in nova in icehouse18:49
jogogaryk: yeah I added a -1 (needs unit test) but am in favor in general18:51
garykjogo: gracias!18:51
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jogogaryk: np sorry for the delay18:53
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garykjogo: np. travel safe18:54
openstackgerritRussell Bryant proposed openstack/neutron: Drop RpcCallback usage from DhcpRpcCallback  https://review.openstack.org/13403418:55
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openstackgerritCedric Brandily proposed openstack/neutron: WIP Remove broad exception catch from _periodic_sync_routers_task  https://review.openstack.org/13151019:27
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ZZelle_armax, hi20:04
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vhosakothi, I am following https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/FakeVM to use neutron-fakevm-agent... How can I install neutron-fakevm-agent ?  I am not able to install neutron-fakevm-agent using pip and apt-get... how can I install neutron-fakevm-agent ?20:16
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pc_mCan I get core review on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/123877/? Hoping for another +2 so this can go through. Thanks!20:23
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vhosakothi, I am following https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/FakeVM to use neutron-fakevm-agent... How can I install neutron-fakevm-agent ?  I am not able to install neutron-fakevm-agent using pip and apt-get... how can I install neutron-fakevm-agent ?20:29
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sudorandomvhosakot, that WOULD appear in the setup.cfg file as an console_script entry point(https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/setup.cfg), but it's not there any more. That guide might be out of date.20:35
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openstackgerritSandhya Dasu proposed openstack/neutron-specs: ML2 Mechanism Driver for Cisco UCS Manager  https://review.openstack.org/13405621:30
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pc_mmestery: ping?21:31
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openstackgerritRussell Bryant proposed openstack/neutron: Add some basic rpc api docs  https://review.openstack.org/13405721:39
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openstackgerritSandhya Dasu proposed openstack/neutron-specs: ML2 Mechanism Driver for Cisco UCS Manager  https://review.openstack.org/13405621:51
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manishgsalv-orlando: is there any documentation for the apiimpact flag in commit msg?22:04
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pc_mmestery: ping?22:30
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openstackgerritbadveli_vishnuus proposed openstack/neutron-specs: Service group and Service Object for firewall as a service  https://review.openstack.org/13159622:42
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openstackgerritManish Godara proposed openstack/neutron-specs: add metadata to core resources  https://review.openstack.org/13406922:44
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armaxZZelle_: pong22:53
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marunarmax, kevinbenton: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Approved/CoreDevProcess22:53
ZZelle_armax, ping :)22:54
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ZZelle_armax, about https://review.openstack.org/13058822:55
ZZelle_armax, do you have in mind per tenant requirements for defining the default enable_snat value?22:55
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armaxZZelle_: I haven’t looked at it recently, has the issue received any attention from other folks? It doesn’t look like it has22:56
ZZelle_armax, nope, sadly22:57
armaxI’ll remove my -2, perhaps that’s blocking attention22:57
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ZZelle_armax, ok22:59
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ZZelle_armax, an other question about https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/118710723:01
ZZelle_armax, the only way i see to avoid running neutron-ns-metadata as root is to run it using23:02
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ZZelle_(rootwrap) ip netns exec $namespace  sudo -u neutron neutron-ns-metadata ...23:03
ZZelle_armax, it is only possible (currently) by a broad policy in l3.filters (seems not acceptable) or defining a new rootwrap filter23:04
ZZelle_armax, in such case should define a spec to define the neutron spec need and the requirement on oslo.rootwrap?23:05
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openstackgerritManish Godara proposed openstack/neutron: WIP: No review  https://review.openstack.org/13407523:14
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