Tuesday, 2014-12-23

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openstackgerritSwaminathan Vasudevan proposed openstack/neutron: Fix static strings with labels for DVR  https://review.openstack.org/14356800:02
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jogoHenryG: ask in #openstack-infra00:14
gusArgh.  I've been trying to get approval on a 2 character syntax error fix for vmware driver since August.  Now I have to go and reapply it to a different git repo :/00:17
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gus.. no wait.  Did the NSX service plugin just get deleted, or moved somewhere?00:22
gusSalvatore's git comment seems to imply it just got deleted ...00:22
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openstackgerritJamie Lennox proposed openstack/python-neutronclient: Use requests_mock instead of mox  https://review.openstack.org/13221300:34
openstackgerritJamie Lennox proposed openstack/python-neutronclient: Use adapter from keystoneclient  https://review.openstack.org/11800600:34
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openstackgerritSwaminathan Vasudevan proposed openstack/python-neutronclient: Fix True/False to accept Camel and Lower case  https://review.openstack.org/13930100:40
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openstackgerritAngus Lees proposed openstack/neutron: Enable the "not-callable" pylint check  https://review.openstack.org/14357600:48
dougwiggus: it got deleted. it's moving into stackforge (might've already) as part of decomposition.00:54
gusdougwig: oh I didn't check stackforge.00:55
gusI couldn't find the code anywhere on github00:55
dougwiggus: https://github.com/stackforge/vmware-nsx00:56
gusnope, it isn't in stackforge currently (afaict).00:56
gusheh, way to prove me wrong ;)00:56
dougwig:)00:56
gusI was assuming it would have "neutron" somewhere in the repo name.00:56
dougwigi think i saw the infra review patch fly by last week.00:56
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gusThe actual service.py and _create_advanced_service_router code seems to have been rewritten/lost in the migration.00:59
gusso I think the fix I'm trying to port is no longer required.00:59
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dougwiggus: vmware was the only user, and salv agreed to drop that code entirely.01:04
gusdougwig: ack, thanks for the confirmation.01:04
dougwiggus: the actual directions given were, "kill it now.  kill it with fire."01:04
gus:)01:05
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gushooray, jenkins is completely broken due to pip changing the semantics of "prettytable>7.0"01:07
armaxgus: one thing that’s worth nothing is that some folks will be pushing moving their code out of neutron01:09
armaxgus: you might want to think twice about what you fix01:10
gusarmax: yeah, I asked about that over breakfast in Paris and got 2 enthusiastically conflicting answers.01:10
dougwiggus: from an openstack community?  no, conflict never happens.01:10
gusLet's say we want to make a breaking change in neutron core in this new world (add/remove a required function parameter, eg)01:11
armaxgus: lots of things happened since Paris, in OpenStack you should know that what you learn in the morning no longer applies in the afternoon, let alone a month+ ago01:11
gusHow do we do that now?01:11
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gusOh, the thing that surprised me is that both camps didn't realise that they were opposing each other.01:11
dougwiggus: you have to disable the tests involved, land the first half, and then the second, then re-enable tests.01:12
gusI got "yes absolutely, we can just break the plugins and it's up to them to keep up before the next freeze/release"01:12
dougwiggus: or you put in a compatability shim.01:12
armaxit really depends on the breaking change, but depending on the code that you’re targeting there may need to be some temporary breakage01:12
gusand simultaneously "no, we have to be rock stable, even for code we don't know about"01:12
armaxI think some interim breakage is acceptable, but we need to be careful about what’s breaking and why01:13
armaxjust like today :P01:13
guseg: both of dougwig's statements above oppose each other.01:13
dougwiggus: i think they're complementary, and this isn't a black/white thing.01:14
armaxwell, dougwig’s point is: it depends!01:14
gussigh.01:14
dougwiglol01:14
armaxgus: sigh about what?01:14
gusthat's fine, but I can see a never ending series of "-1 do it the other way" reviews.01:14
armaxgus: -1 about your pylint patches?01:15
armaxor in general?01:15
gusfor anyone (and I care most about me) trying to do cross-neutron cleanups and fixes.01:15
dougwigi had a context fail on "the other way".  can you expound on that?01:15
armaxwell the good thing now is that you do the cleanup where you care01:15
dougwigahh, i see.01:15
armaxyou shouldn’t be doing this blanket patches anyway01:16
gusso the two responses are: A: we can't break any downstream project, add shims, overlapping transitions, etc as required.  and B: breaking downstream is fine, just make the change and it's up to vendors/whomever to keep up or no longer be supported.01:16
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armaxI am pretty sure we said neither of the two things01:17
gus(A) commonly gets extended to "even for proprietary/internal code that we don't know about that might be using any python function anywhere"01:17
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gusarmax: yeah I know, but I'm taking extremes to make it clear how/why the two oppose.01:17
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gusHere's a non-hypothetical example: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/111180/01:19
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armaxI think the most sensible response is that we should strive to keep things sane, by any mean necessary, if things break01:19
gusI removed an unused argument to config.setup_logging() back in July.01:19
armaxwe need to put the right safeguards/alerts to trigger the breakage and minimize the time in which things are broken01:20
armaxright01:20
armaxI remember that!01:20
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gusWhat should I do for that type of change now?  Do I need to do a two-stage transition in core, then clean up all downstream projects, then remove the shim in core - or can I do it once in core and temporarily break downstream projects?01:20
armaxand I suggested you to keep the param :)01:20
armaxand make it nullable01:21
gusarmax: :)  that just postpones the problem.01:21
guswhen is it safe to remove it?01:21
armaxbut you didn’t go for my suggestion01:21
armaxthat would have been a nice bw compat change01:21
dougwigi'd suggest a two-stage. first with an opt arg, then when all repos land, remove the arg.01:21
gusfor that simple example it's fine, but what if it was an entire non-trivial piece of code or behaviour?01:21
armaxright, but I’d argue that we need to factor in when and where it’s worth it01:22
gusif we leave them all around for some undefined period of time, it makes it way harder to iterate in core.01:22
armaxsomething like this, is not worth the effort IMO01:22
armaxI mean to cause the breakage01:22
dougwiggus: you seem to be looking for a rule that always works, when this is always going to be a judgement call on which approach makes the most sense.01:22
armaxdougwig: +!01:22
armax+101:22
gusI'm looking for a shared understanding of where that judgement call will be.01:23
gusand more importantly shared amongst the +1 reviewer mass.01:23
gusI'm fine with fumbling through the grey areas as a community - but this is where my "sigh, I see a series of "-1 do it the other way" reviews" comment came from.01:24
armaxthe shared understanding is based on the most obvious principles of software engineering01:24
dougwigi have to go meet my kids for dinner. happy holidays to you guys.01:27
armaxso if tweaking some code that takes many man months is going to lead to as many or even more man months to maintain it’s probably not worth it01:27
gusdougwig: thanks for the discussion, happy holidays.01:27
armaxdougwig: have a nice one01:27
gus(I have an appointment elsewhere now too)01:27
armaxbye01:28
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openstackgerrityangxurong proposed openstack/neutron: Use iptables zone to seperate different conntrack  https://review.openstack.org/11827401:48
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openstackgerritijw-ubuntu proposed openstack/neutron-specs: MTU selection and advertisement  https://review.openstack.org/10598901:55
ijwarmax: ping01:55
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prometheanfireis gate passing again?01:59
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openstackgerritKaiLin proposed openstack/neutron: Create the second vip return incorrect error code  https://review.openstack.org/14338002:19
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openstackgerritKaiLin proposed openstack/neutron: Create the second vip return incorrect error code  https://review.openstack.org/14338003:12
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openstackgerritTerry Howe proposed openstack/python-neutronclient: Namespace of arguments is incorrectly used  https://review.openstack.org/14358803:14
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openstackgerritAngus Lees proposed openstack/neutron: Tighten dnsmasq version regex  https://review.openstack.org/13988903:54
openstackgerritAngus Lees proposed openstack/neutron: Remove unnecessary regex grouping  https://review.openstack.org/13988803:54
openstackgerritAngus Lees proposed openstack/neutron: Enable pylint checks for "anomalous" string escapes  https://review.openstack.org/13018403:54
openstackgerritAngus Lees proposed openstack/neutron: Combine author_tag and log_translation_hint regexes  https://review.openstack.org/13988703:54
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openstackgerritAbhishek Talwar proposed openstack/neutron: Confusing message deleting default security group  https://review.openstack.org/14301804:22
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/neutron: Prevent symlinks to be added to the tree  https://review.openstack.org/14328806:08
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openstackgerritAnn Kamyshnikova proposed openstack/neutron: Default security group table  https://review.openstack.org/14210109:01
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ZZelleihrachyshka, hi09:58
ihrachyshkaZZelle: hi09:58
ZZelleihrachyshka, just to understand your point on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136840/23/neutron/agent/l3/agent.py09:58
trinathsWeh I spawn an instance, I get this error, "Failed to launch instance "test": Please try again later [Error: Build of instance 130fb1b2-7d9e-47d4-bc53-9e25b213145b aborted: Failed to allocate the network(s), not rescheduling.]." Any helping hand for this.09:58
ZZelleihrachyshka, you fear that euid/egid could change between the option definition and use?09:58
trinathswhen*09:58
jschwarztrinaths, check ovs agent09:58
jschwarzprobably has error logs :)09:58
jschwarzZZelle, do you have a minute to discuss https://review.openstack.org/#/c/143412/109:59
trinathsjschwarz: Okay :)09:59
ZZellejschwarz, that's the objective of PS1 :)09:59
jschwarzZZelle, yey :)09:59
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ihrachyshkaZZelle: my point is that if oslo conf generator is executed against our conf option definitions, it will generate config files with metadata_user == user that executed generator, not 'current user of neutron l3 agent, whatever it is'10:00
ihrachyshkaZZelle: my understanding is that we want the latter, not the former10:00
trinathsjschwarz: True,. Got the fault. my debug error. :) thanks for help10:00
ZZelleihrachyshka, yes10:00
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jschwarzZZelle, I'll put in the time to do some code review for this patch as I think we'll need it for the full-stack testing also. Wanted to know if you're willing to move the Pinger and FakeVM classes from neutron/tests/functional/agent/linux/helpers.py to neutron/tests/common/helpers.py10:01
jschwarztrinaths, sure :)10:01
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ihrachyshkaZZelle: does that resolve your concern?10:01
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ZZelleihrachyshka, yes10:04
jschwarzZZelle, I see you're in the middle of a different convo. I'll post in the review and we can ping pong there :)10:04
ZZellejschwarz, full-stack testing?10:04
jschwarzZZelle, yes. it's a new kind of testing which will test Neutron as a white-box10:05
jschwarzspec in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/128257/10:05
jschwarzZZelle, posted, so going for food now ^_^10:07
ZZellejschwarz, ok10:08
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openstackgerritMiguel Angel Ajo proposed openstack/neutron: Implements the ProcessMonitor in the l3_agent  https://review.openstack.org/11493110:22
openstackgerritMiguel Angel Ajo proposed openstack/neutron: Implements ProcessMonitor in the dhcp_agent  https://review.openstack.org/11593510:22
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ihrachyshkaajo: ouch. still not there with those process monitor patches? :(10:43
ajoyeah, ihrachyshka , holidays will slow down, I suppose, last patchest is only a rebase for merge conflict in a test10:44
ajoa simple thing in this case which git didn't know how to resolve10:44
ihrachyshkaajo: ok, I hope it will merge in like 10 next patchsets :D10:45
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/neutron: ml2: remove superfluous %s in LOG.debug() format  https://review.openstack.org/14335210:53
ajolol ihrachyshka10:55
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ajo:) I really hope that too10:55
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openstackgerritvenkata anil proposed openstack/neutron: validate L3 HA min/max _l3_agents_per_router  https://review.openstack.org/14034011:02
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ijwamuller: ping11:05
openstackgerritvenkata anil proposed openstack/neutron: validate L3 HA min/max _l3_agents_per_router  https://review.openstack.org/14034011:07
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amullerijw: Heya Ian11:22
amullerijw: I saw that you posted a new patchset11:22
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ijwamuller: you looked yet?11:32
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ijwI was working a bit in the dark after you'd gone for the evening but I was hoping I covered the major stuff11:33
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amullerijw: I haven't been able to look yet sorry11:51
amullersome 'urgent' stuff to take care of11:51
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ijwnp - when you can, cos the deadline was yesterday11:58
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amullerijw: Sadly everything is super duper urgent the last couple of weeks12:00
ijwamuller: you fail to appreciate how much more important I am than anything else ;)12:01
amullerThat may be true, although all Humans seem to think that =D12:01
devvesahi, anyone has experienced this error: "Detected removed foreign key u'nuage_floatingip_pool_mapping_ibfk_2' on table u'nuage_floatingip_pool_mapping'" when stacking?12:02
devvesaclean VM with devstack/master12:02
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ijwdocker and 512kbit connections.  Just Say No.12:04
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openstackgerritMiguel Angel Ajo proposed openstack/neutron: Implements the ProcessMonitor in the l3_agent  https://review.openstack.org/11493112:07
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openstackgerritTerry Howe proposed openstack/python-neutronclient: Reverse order of tests to avoid incompatibility  https://review.openstack.org/14365712:12
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ajoijw docker 512kbit connections?12:46
ijwAt home in the arse end of nowhere with family trying to do work.  Any sort of download involves going and getting a cup of tea.  There's a lot of tea drunk in this house, so that works out well12:47
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ajo:-) ijw12:56
ajoijw we depend too much on our bandwidth for work :)12:57
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ijwApparently the broadband rollout goes past here in the next 6 months13:02
ijwI'll believe it when I see it, because there are more cows than people in this part of the world13:02
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prometheanfiregate fixed?13:26
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ihrachyshkadougwig: https://review.openstack.org/14342113:43
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openstackgerritIlya Sokolov proposed openstack/neutron: Send only one rule in queue on rule create/delete  https://review.openstack.org/14367214:03
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openstackgerritAbhishek Talwar proposed openstack/neutron: Confusing message deleting default security group  https://review.openstack.org/14301814:05
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openstackgerritIlya Sokolov proposed openstack/neutron: Send only one rule in queue on rule create/delete  https://review.openstack.org/14367214:38
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/neutron-specs: Service group and Service Object for firewall as a service  https://review.openstack.org/13159615:09
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openstackgerritCedric Brandily proposed openstack/neutron: get_binary_name should returns strings without spaces  https://review.openstack.org/14310815:34
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openstackgerrityalei wang proposed openstack/neutron: Add portsecurity extension support  https://review.openstack.org/12655216:46
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openstackgerritLinChengyong proposed openstack/neutron-specs: blueprint virtual-network-performance-monitor  https://review.openstack.org/14238616:49
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/neutron-specs: MTU selection and advertisement  https://review.openstack.org/10598916:50
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openstackgerritLinChengyong proposed openstack/neutron-specs: blueprint virtual-network-performance-monitor  https://review.openstack.org/14238616:53
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openstackgerritMarios Andreou proposed openstack/neutron: Adds base in-tree functional testing of the ovs_neutron_agent  https://review.openstack.org/14004216:54
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cohnhello, just curious if Neutron supports /31 subnet masks per RFC 302116:56
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carl_baldwincohn: Where do imagine the /31 subnets would be used in Neutron?16:58
cohnin conjuction with Ironic for bare metal nodes16:59
openstackgerritMarios Andreou proposed openstack/neutron: Adds base in-tree functional testing of the ovs_neutron_agent  https://review.openstack.org/14004216:59
cohnso i'd create a network, create a subnet consisting of a /31 (or /127 in IPv6), then spin up a BM node using that address space17:00
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carl_baldwincohn: As far as I know, that is not done and Neutron does not support any point-to-point links.  However, I’m not familiar enough with Ironic to know for sure if that has been attempted.17:01
cohnoh17:03
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openstackgerritSridhar Gaddam proposed openstack/neutron: Validate IPv6 subnet while associating to Router  https://review.openstack.org/13673317:21
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openstackgerritMichael Smith proposed openstack/neutron: manual add/remove router for dvr_snat agent  https://review.openstack.org/12202417:29
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openstackgerritenikanorov proposed openstack/neutron: Catch PortNotFound exception during network_delete  https://review.openstack.org/14369817:30
openstackgerritMichael Smith proposed openstack/neutron: L3 Agent support of manual dvr snat add/remove  https://review.openstack.org/12381517:30
openstackgerritMichael Smith proposed openstack/neutron: This patch will be used to compare dvr vs full neturon runs  https://review.openstack.org/14189717:30
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/neutron: ML2 UT: Fix incorrect mock return value  https://review.openstack.org/14348917:44
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dougwigthat is a lot of merge failures. :)18:03
ZZelledougwig, sick18:03
openstackgerritBrent Eagles proposed openstack/neutron: Reset policies after RESOURCE_ATTRIBUTE_MAP is populated  https://review.openstack.org/12763318:03
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dougwigwhat merged that killed everything? one of those mega-hacking things?18:04
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openstackgerritenikanorov proposed openstack/neutron: Change transaction isolation so retry logic could work properly  https://review.openstack.org/12928818:05
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openstackgerritJulien Anguenot proposed openstack/neutron: Neutron pydevd debugger support  https://review.openstack.org/12654618:12
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openstackgerritTerry Wilson proposed openstack/neutron: Move non-bridge-related OVSBridge methods to BaseOVS  https://review.openstack.org/14113418:16
openstackgerritTerry Wilson proposed openstack/neutron: Add OVSDB Interface  https://review.openstack.org/14370918:16
openstackgerritTerry Wilson proposed openstack/neutron: Move non-bridge-related OVSBridge methods to BaseOVS  https://review.openstack.org/14113418:18
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openstackgerritArmando Migliaccio proposed openstack/neutron: Clean-up sanity checks done via shell scripts  https://review.openstack.org/14353918:19
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openstackgerritAssaf Muller proposed openstack/neutron: Make L3 HA VIPs ordering consistent in keepalived.conf  https://review.openstack.org/14371418:38
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openstackgerritCedric Brandily proposed openstack/neutron: get_binary_name should returns strings without spaces  https://review.openstack.org/14310818:50
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anteayacarl_baldwin: bowing out since if you have jim, clark and jeremy's attention it doesnt' get any better in terms of getting an issue solved18:50
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openstackgerritRajeev Grover proposed openstack/neutron: HA for DVR - schema migration and change  https://review.openstack.org/14371919:03
openstackgerritCarl Baldwin proposed openstack/neutron: Fixes spelling error Closes-Bug: #1404341  https://review.openstack.org/14372119:05
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otherwiseguymestery: I went ahead and posted the WIP version of splitting out the run_vsctl stuff into an OVSDB interface (https://review.openstack.org/143709). I'm technically not working until Jan 2, but will be working on it over the holiday as well. Just wanted to put something up for people to comment on the general form.19:15
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mesteryotherwiseguy: That's because you rock man, thanks for working on this stuff!19:16
otherwiseguyNeed to add in the exception handling, documentation, and functional tests. And maybe move the files around into an ovsdb folder.19:16
mesteryotherwiseguy: Ack on that19:16
mesteryotherwiseguy: Happy holidays man, enjoy a "break" from work. ;)19:16
otherwiseguyWorking without meetings is kind of like a vacaction, right? RIGHT?19:16
mesteryTo me it is ;)19:16
openstackgerritMerged openstack/neutron: validate L3 HA min/max _l3_agents_per_router  https://review.openstack.org/14034019:18
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carl_baldwinanteaya: Thanks19:26
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anteayacarl_baldwin: so any resolution?19:27
anteayacarl_baldwin: are you in a happy place?19:27
rookHey All - is there a way to have OpenStack avoid from using OVS w/ LinuxBridge? I disabled Firewall/Sec-Groups and it on the compute nodes LinuxBridge is still used?19:27
carl_baldwinanteaya: There is still no technical explanation for why these failed.  I think I’d have to get jgit involved to comment on why it happened.  Meanwhile, I’ll rebase the patches with cgit and resubmit them.  I’m going to take a few notes and possibly follow up with jgit independently.19:29
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anteayacarl_baldwin: thanks for your throughness, I haven't seen anyone else mention what you are seeing19:29
anteayabut by all means if this is an infra issue, we would like to know about it19:30
anteayathanks19:30
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openstackgerritCarl Baldwin proposed openstack/neutron: Fixes spelling error  https://review.openstack.org/14317919:37
openstackgerritCarl Baldwin proposed openstack/neutron: Introduce External IPAM Interface  https://review.openstack.org/13433919:38
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openstackgerritCarl Baldwin proposed openstack/neutron: Add validation for the dvr router l3agent binding  https://review.openstack.org/11849119:40
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openstackgerritArmando Migliaccio proposed openstack/neutron: Add developer documentation for plugins/drivers contributions  https://review.openstack.org/14117119:42
openstackgerritArmando Migliaccio proposed openstack/neutron: Tweak gate hooks scripts to handle both functional and api jobs  https://review.openstack.org/14260119:42
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rookhow can one disable security groups in OpenStack19:47
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openstackgerritAssaf Muller proposed openstack/neutron: Make L3 HA VIPs ordering consistent in keepalived.conf  https://review.openstack.org/14371419:54
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openstackgerritTerry Wilson proposed openstack/neutron: Don't unnecessarily loop through all ports/interfaces  https://review.openstack.org/14323619:58
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openstackgerritSwaminathan Vasudevan proposed openstack/neutron: Deletes floating agent gw port on disassociate  https://review.openstack.org/13724720:12
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openstackgerritMatthew Thode proposed openstack/neutron: check that the vxlan kernel module is available in the proper way  https://review.openstack.org/14189920:14
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openstackgerritSwaminathan Vasudevan proposed openstack/neutron: Fix static strings with labels for DVR  https://review.openstack.org/14356820:26
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openstackgerritSwaminathan Vasudevan proposed openstack/neutron: Don't call reschedule router with single L3 agent  https://review.openstack.org/14356720:29
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openstackgerritCarl Baldwin proposed openstack/neutron: Create DvrRouter as a sub-class of Router  https://review.openstack.org/14373320:32
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openstackgerritTerry Wilson proposed openstack/neutron: Move non-bridge-related OVSBridge methods to BaseOVS  https://review.openstack.org/14113420:50
openstackgerritTerry Wilson proposed openstack/neutron: Add OVSDB Interface  https://review.openstack.org/14370920:50
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/neutron: get_binary_name should returns strings without spaces  https://review.openstack.org/14310821:43
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/neutron: Fixes spelling error  https://review.openstack.org/14317921:46
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marunwtf with all the merge conflicts?22:18
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ZZellemarun, there are false merge conflicts22:21
ZZellemarun, "recheck" remove them22:22
marunZZelle: weird. what's triggered this?22:22
marunZZelle: I was using the conflicts as an excuse to force fixes for nits, I guess I'll have to stop that now.22:22
ZZellemarun, it seems microsoft is sponsoring the CI :)22:22
marunhah22:22
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enikanorovoh wow22:23
enikanorov'false merge conflicts'22:23
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ZZelleenikanorov, an example in https://review.openstack.org/13019922:24
enikanorovZZelle: i know. one of my patches got that as well22:25
enikanorovi was wondering too seeing no real conflicts22:25
ZZellestrangely, the bug affected a lot of changes but not all22:26
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openstackgerritCedric Brandily proposed openstack/neutron: Correct invalid indentation in is_dvr_serviced  https://review.openstack.org/14374022:33
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openstackgerritYuuichi Fujioka proposed openstack/neutron: allow setting ip address of floating ip  https://review.openstack.org/7028623:28
openstackgerritShiv Prasad Rao proposed openstack/neutron: Fixes race condition in N1KV segment-id alloc  https://review.openstack.org/13725723:28
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openstackgerritJulien Anguenot proposed openstack/neutron: Neutron pydevd debugger support  https://review.openstack.org/12654623:45
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