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| mlavalle | amuller: aren't you in Israel? What time is it there? | 00:01 |
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| amuller | mlavalle: My wife and I relocated to Boston a couple of months ago | 00:01 |
| amuller | But you have a good memory :) | 00:02 |
| carl_baldwin | amuller, btw, I finally followed-up on your comments on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/154513/. Thanks for the feedback. | 00:02 |
| amuller | carl_baldwin: Sure, I'll review tomorrow hopefully | 00:02 |
| mlavalle | amuller: ahhhh! cool.... And it welcomed you with this miserable winter...... My daughter is a senior at MIT.... so she is sharing your weather adventures | 00:03 |
| amuller | mlavalle: Cool :) The weather is getting a lot better now though | 00:03 |
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| carl_baldwin | amuller, No rush. It is late for you. | 00:05 |
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| carl_baldwin | ... even in Boston. | 00:05 |
| mlavalle | amuller: it is almost imposible for the MIT kids to get snow days. But this winter was sobad that this semester I think she's got 3 | 00:05 |
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| amuller | mlavalle: hah yeah there were 2 or 3 pretty nasty storms (Especially from my warm blooded perspective) | 00:06 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle, I think I agree with amuller's feedback. He's got a pretty good eye for how to approach testing. | 00:08 |
| mlavalle | amuller, carl_baldwin: perfect.... I'll take it from here.... and thanks for taking the time to give me feedback :-) | 00:08 |
| carl_baldwin | amuller: Those storms were pretty nasty even from my perspective. I wasn't there but Brian and Jack from my team are out there. | 00:08 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle, It is a pleasure. | 00:09 |
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| amuller | armax: carl_baldwin: I'm close to pushing a patch which I'm a bit excited about, as excited as I could possibly about testing: I'm adding tests for RPC interaction between agents and the controller. It uses the Oslo messaging fake driver (Like all of our tests), but it doesn't monkey patch away a critical bit. The fake driver passes messages around in-process. The idea is only to test that a client calls a method on the server with the | 00:12 |
| amuller | correct parameters, not to test the actual server methods (As those are already tested in their respective places) | 00:12 |
| amuller | So we assume that the non-fake oslo messaging driver works (As that's tested already) | 00:13 |
| amuller | And we assume that the RPC methods themselves are tested | 00:13 |
| amuller | but these tests actually invoke a method from the client and have the code executed on the server | 00:13 |
| amuller | which is something that we currently only have in Tempest | 00:13 |
| amuller | armax: This should catch regressions we had in DVR, where the solution was to introduce unit tests that practically mock what they're testing | 00:14 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rajeev Grover proposed openstack/neutron: If configured, set the MTU for fpr/rfp intefaces https://review.openstack.org/162312 | 00:17 |
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| openstackgerrit | Isaku Yamahata proposed openstack/neutron: internal callers of create_{network, subnet, port} ignore extension https://review.openstack.org/129773 | 00:19 |
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| carl_baldwin | amuller, sounds like some good stuff. | 00:25 |
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| openstackgerrit | Assaf Muller proposed openstack/neutron: Introduce RPC tests https://review.openstack.org/162811 | 00:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | Assaf Muller proposed openstack/neutron: Introduce RPC tests https://review.openstack.org/162811 | 00:37 |
| amuller | night | 00:39 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron: Initial copy of api tests from tempest https://review.openstack.org/162257 | 00:50 |
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| openstackgerrit | YAMAMOTO Takashi proposed openstack/neutron: linuxbridge UT: Do not create the same instance in each cases https://review.openstack.org/162825 | 01:30 |
| openstackgerrit | YAMAMOTO Takashi proposed openstack/neutron: linuxbridge UT: Mock get_interface_by_ip https://review.openstack.org/162826 | 01:30 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kevin Benton proposed openstack/neutron: Don't start transaction during floating IP delete https://review.openstack.org/160036 | 01:53 |
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| gongysh_ | amotoki: hi | 02:24 |
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| kiran | Hi. Can you please point me to the code where net-create command is implemented for Neutron? Specifically, I'm looking for how bridge_mappings configuration is used. Thanks, | 03:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | Zhang Hua proposed openstack/neutron-vpnaas: Functional tests of ipsec strongswan vpnaas driver https://review.openstack.org/158560 | 04:35 |
| openstackgerrit | Zhang Hua proposed openstack/neutron-vpnaas: IPsec strongSwan driver implemention https://review.openstack.org/144391 | 04:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | Angela Smith proposed openstack/neutron: Add ML2 VLAN mechanism driver for Brocade MLX and ICX switches. https://review.openstack.org/154709 | 04:53 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron: Use an existing function in process monitor tests https://review.openstack.org/161698 | 04:58 |
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| openstackgerrit | Zhang Hua proposed openstack/neutron-vpnaas: Functional tests of ipsec strongswan vpnaas driver https://review.openstack.org/158560 | 05:55 |
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| Tusker | heya guys | 05:56 |
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| Tusker | having a problem deploying a fresh juno install of neutron DB | 05:57 |
| Tusker | with the inability to modify fk cisco_n1kv_vlan_allocations | 05:57 |
| Tusker | i tried to add a "op.drop_constraint('cisco_n1kv_vlan_allocations_ibfk_1'," before the "op.create_foreign_key(" but still encounter the same error | 05:58 |
| Tusker | the heal script is trying to do a modify of a FK, but mysql is denying it | 05:59 |
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| Tusker | no-one run up a fresh juno db of neutron on mysql recently ? | 06:01 |
| openstackgerrit | YAMAMOTO Takashi proposed openstack/neutron: OVS-agent: Introduce Ryu based OpenFlow driver https://review.openstack.org/153946 | 06:02 |
| openstackgerrit | YAMAMOTO Takashi proposed openstack/neutron: OVS-agent: Separate ovs-ofctl using code as a driver https://review.openstack.org/160245 | 06:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/neutron: Imported Translations from Transifex https://review.openstack.org/162540 | 06:15 |
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| Tusker | OK, had to work around using native SQL: alter table cisco_n1kv_vlan_allocations drop foreign key cisco_n1kv_vlan_allocations_ibfk_1; ALTER TABLE cisco_n1kv_vlan_allocations MODIFY network_profile_id VARCHAR(36) COLLATE utf8_unicode_ci NOT NULL; alter table cisco_n1kv_vxlan_allocations drop foreign key cisco_n1kv_vxlan_allocations_ibfk_1; ALTER TABLE cisco_n1kv_vxlan_allocations MODIFY network_profile_id VARCHAR(36) CO | 06:26 |
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| enikanorov_ | amotoki: hi, could you please take a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/162576/ | 06:55 |
| amotoki | enikanorov: hi, sure | 06:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | Zhang Hua proposed openstack/neutron-vpnaas: Remove the reference for non-existent cisco.l3.plugging_drivers https://review.openstack.org/162887 | 07:06 |
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| openstackgerrit | Angus Lees proposed openstack/neutron: Introduce privilege separation process https://review.openstack.org/155631 | 07:30 |
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| enikanorov_ | amotoki: ping | 07:37 |
| openstackgerrit | Nurit Vilosny proposed openstack/neutron: Add notification flag (True / False) to extension_manager process_update_port https://review.openstack.org/162648 | 07:38 |
| amotoki | enikanorov_: pong | 07:38 |
| enikanorov_ | amotoki: how do you see set() is passed to agent/linux/iptables_firewall.py ? | 07:38 |
| amotoki | enikanorov_: I haven't checked the real env. I might be wrong if RPC serialization replace it to JSON list. | 07:39 |
| enikanorov_ | amotoki: yes, that's what i know, it should be simply json list | 07:40 |
| enikanorov_ | amotoki: one idea i had: may be just use set in the method, but leave list in sg dict? | 07:40 |
| enikanorov_ | e.g. convert set into list before exit from the method | 07:40 |
| amotoki | enikanorov_: I see, so there is no problem. | 07:40 |
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| amotoki | enikanorov_: converting it to a list for all entries needs additional nested loops... I think it is better to add a note that it is converted into JSON list on RPC. it must helps us understand the code. | 07:43 |
| enikanorov_ | yep, makes sense | 07:43 |
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| openstackgerrit | YAMAMOTO Takashi proposed openstack/neutron: test_l2population: Simplify migration tests https://review.openstack.org/158182 | 07:44 |
| openstackgerrit | YAMAMOTO Takashi proposed openstack/neutron: test_l2population: Simplify migration tests https://review.openstack.org/158182 | 07:44 |
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| openstackgerrit | dql proposed openstack/neutron: fix DHCP port changed when dhcp-agent restart https://review.openstack.org/162522 | 07:54 |
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| openstackgerrit | enikanorov proposed openstack/neutron: Improve performance of _get_security_group_member_ips https://review.openstack.org/162576 | 08:03 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron: In Arista ML2 delete tenant without any resources https://review.openstack.org/162778 | 08:20 |
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| veena | Hi, I cloned stable/icehouse code of neutron and ran ./run_tests.sh without changing any files. It has many errors, pasting the error in bin. http://paste.openstack.org/show/191221/ http://paste.openstack.org/show/191222/ http://paste.openstack.org/show/191223/ | 09:23 |
| veena | How do I solve these errors? | 09:23 |
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| anteaya | I just checked the wikipage for the upcoming Neutron meeting: Monday (3/10/2015) at 1400 UTC on #openstack-meeting | 09:31 |
| anteaya | so it is helpful when the calendar date and the day of the week sync | 09:32 |
| anteaya | as they don't now and didn't last week | 09:32 |
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| openstackgerrit | yalei wang proposed openstack/neutron: Add portsecurity extension support https://review.openstack.org/126552 | 09:50 |
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| openstackgerrit | enikanorov proposed openstack/neutron: Don't notify dead DHCP agent of removed networks https://review.openstack.org/162559 | 11:26 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron: Added check for emptyness where in_ is being used https://review.openstack.org/150034 | 11:41 |
| pc_m | mestery: ping? | 11:43 |
| pc_m | salv-orlando: ping | 11:44 |
| salv-orlando | hi pc_m | 11:44 |
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| pc_m | salv-orlando: Can you review and approve https://review.openstack.org/#/c/162887/? Looks like UT breakage from a Neutron commit. Need a driver team member for another +2/+A | 11:44 |
| pc_m | (or I can +A) | 11:45 |
| salv-orlando | pc_m: ah is neutron-vpnaas completely blocked now? | 11:45 |
| pc_m | yup | 11:45 |
| salv-orlando | pc_m: approved | 11:46 |
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| pc_m | salv-orlando: fails all jenkins jobs | 11:46 |
| pc_m | salv-orlando: Thank you! | 11:46 |
| salv-orlando | pc_m: np | 11:46 |
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| openstackgerrit | Claudiu Belu proposed openstack/neutron: Hyper-V Agent decomposition https://review.openstack.org/153259 | 12:06 |
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| HenryG | amotoki: ping | 12:39 |
| mestery | Folks, just a reminder, with it being DST in the US, the Neutron meeting is 1 hour later this morning. | 12:41 |
| * mestery shakes his angry fist at DST | 12:41 | |
| salv-orlando | mestery: that obviously applies only to folks in the US | 12:42 |
| salv-orlando | it's the same time for me and all the other communists out there I guess | 12:42 |
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| ihrachyshka | :) | 12:43 |
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| pc_m | mestery: ping | 12:44 |
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| ihrachyshka | mestery, I also have a tiny thing to discuss with you. ping when avail please. | 12:45 |
| mestery | pc_m: pong | 12:47 |
| mestery | ihrachyshka: Good morning/afternoon! | 12:47 |
| pc_m | mestery: For VPN team discussion on meeting time/date, there were some votes for later time, one for same time, and everyone voted to have on-demand. If we shift the time and have on demand, should I still reserve a day/time/channel slot, even though on demand? | 12:47 |
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| mestery | pc_m: If you do on-demand, yes, reserve a time so it's there when you need it, and then just make sure to email the list when you have the meeting and update the wiki page for it so people know. | 12:48 |
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| pc_m | mestery: OK. will do. Planning on seeing what time exactly to hold the meeting as 2 votes for 1600, 1 for 1630, 1 for 1500. | 12:48 |
| ihrachyshka | mestery, ok, assuming gm means 'I'm avail' :) I have remaining oslo.log patch for neutron in queue. 1) it would be great to review/merge it quickly since it's enormous in terms of potential conflicts 2) it breaks most CI jobs because those use code from neutron.openstack.common.log which is now dropped. Are we ok with it (they are not expected to use those modules)? | 12:48 |
| mestery | ihrachyshka: Lets bring it up in the meeting in 1 hour and discuss there. I am ok with this, but lets make sure people are aware before we drop it. Sound ok? | 12:49 |
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| ihrachyshka | mestery, sounds fine for me | 12:52 |
| mestery | ihrachyshka: Thank you! | 12:52 |
| pc_m | mestery: Does only commit owner have the ability to rebase via Gerrit button? | 12:52 |
| openstackgerrit | Kyle Mestery proposed openstack/python-neutronclient: Copy functional tests from tempest cli https://review.openstack.org/162848 | 12:52 |
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| pc_m | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/162887 failed verify... looks like Jenkins is saying a rebase is needed. | 12:53 |
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| salv-orlando | ihrachyshka: For the vmware repo we're already aware of that and are doing a patch to fix it. As a general rule, we'll stop using neutron.openstack.common - and have our own openstack/common pkg for non graduated libraries | 12:54 |
| mestery | pc_m: Nope, others can as well. | 12:54 |
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| pc_m | mestery: I don;t see the button... | 12:54 |
| salv-orlando | this brings on us synchronization onus, but removes a source of instability due to change in neutron.openstack.common | 12:54 |
| mestery | pc_m: You can just pull it down, rebase it, and push it back up. | 12:54 |
| * mestery will BRB | 12:55 | |
| ihrachyshka | salv-orlando, right, thanks. I've tried to capture stuff like that that may interact with packaging (not only oslo graduations) at: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/VendorSplitPackaging | 12:55 |
| pc_m | mestery: Right. Just wondered about the button. Will do. | 12:55 |
| salv-orlando | ihrachyshka: ah thanks a lot | 12:55 |
| salv-orlando | I will pass that on to the guys that build our own internal packages | 12:55 |
| ihrachyshka | it's WIP and I'll fill it once I find more issues | 12:55 |
| ihrachyshka | thanks | 12:55 |
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| pc_m | mestery: Can you look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/162887? | 12:57 |
| pc_m | mestery: It has X for Jenkins and says verify failed, needing rebase. | 12:57 |
| pc_m | mestery: I pulled it down, fetched origin, rebased, and tried to push up, and it says rejected (no new changes). | 12:58 |
| salv-orlando | ihrachyshka: I found annoying that Apple's mail auto correct insists of changing your name into "char" | 12:58 |
| * pc_m confused | 12:58 | |
| ihrachyshka | salv-orlando, ok sir. I will consider changing it | 12:58 |
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| amotoki | HenryG: pong | 13:04 |
| HenryG | amotoki: Will you update https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/NEC_OpenFlow_Plugin for the nec decomposition? | 13:04 |
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| HenryG | amotoki: Say yes so I can approve your decomp patch. :) | 13:05 |
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| amotoki | HenryG: sure. It is in my mind, but it is just a bit lower priority than other stuff :-( | 13:06 |
| HenryG | amotoki: no problem | 13:06 |
| amotoki | HenryG: i need to move from now and will be back in the team meeting. I will update after that. Thanks. | 13:08 |
| HenryG | amotoki: No rush, your word is good. Thanks. | 13:08 |
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| openstackgerrit | enikanorov proposed openstack/neutron: Refactor retry mechanism used in some DB operations https://review.openstack.org/149261 | 13:12 |
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| mestery | pc_m: Let me try | 13:15 |
| pc_m | mestery: I did a 'recheck' command, not sure if it would go through. | 13:15 |
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| amuller | salv-orlando: ping about https://review.openstack.org/149261 | 13:20 |
| amuller | if you happen to be up | 13:20 |
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| garyk | mestery: quick question - when i run tox on ovn it blows up. do you experience the same? | 13:32 |
| mestery | garyk: Checking ... | 13:33 |
| mestery | garyk: Exact command? | 13:33 |
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| garyk | mestery: tox | 13:33 |
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| mestery | garyk: Looks like the py26, py33 and py34 stuff dies, I'm going to submit a patch to remove those for now. | 13:34 |
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| garyk | mestery: ok, thanks. but even when i do py27 it failed | 13:35 |
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| mestery | garyk: Really? py27 worked fine for me (and pep8) | 13:35 |
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| garyk | mestery: please see http://paste.openstack.org/show/191278/ - maybe you can find what i did | 13:36 |
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| mestery | garyk: That looks like the same as for me, let me blow away my .tox and have it recreate | 13:37 |
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| mestery | garyk: Worked fine for me: http://paste.openstack.org/show/191284/ | 13:38 |
| garyk | mestery: no idea… | 13:40 |
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| garyk | mestery: can we start bitchin about not getting reviews in the ovn repo? | 13:47 |
| mestery | garyk: lol | 13:47 |
| garyk | damn, i posetd a patch 30 secodns ago and have not got a review. | 13:47 |
| mestery | garyk: rofl | 13:47 |
| mestery | garyk: I just merged one, is that not fast enough? ;) | 13:47 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron: Improve performance of _get_security_group_member_ips https://review.openstack.org/162576 | 13:47 |
| garyk | mestery: :) | 13:48 |
| garyk | mestery: btw the hacking one is worth while adding to other repos that are external. we did it in the vmware_nsx and it found a ton of issues | 13:48 |
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| mestery | garyk: I agree, I'll do the same for networking-odl, thanks! | 13:48 |
| garyk | cool. | 13:48 |
| mestery | garyk: networking-odl already had it, I forgot I added that a while back :) | 13:50 |
| ihrachyshka | salv-orlando, may I ask you to check comments at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/159862/ ? I hope they address your concern, and we can merge. | 13:50 |
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| itzikb | armax: ping | 14:03 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron: NEC plugin code split https://review.openstack.org/162103 | 14:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ihar Hrachyshka proposed openstack/neutron: Migrate to oslo.log https://review.openstack.org/159638 | 14:20 |
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| sbelous | garyk: Hi. I replied to your comments on this patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/154116/ can you review it, please? | 14:32 |
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| openstackgerrit | Moshe Levi proposed openstack/neutron: Move mlnx agent to be under ml2/drivers/mlnx https://review.openstack.org/162693 | 14:37 |
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| marun | dougwig: I'm not sure what you mean by same out of tree support... wouldn't out-of-tree code need to be branched in the same way that neutron is? | 14:59 |
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| dougwig | marun: you can mirror the release branches, yes, but it's not needed now. i have a driver package that works out of the box with icehouse, juno, and (soon) kilo, which is very handy. maintaining separate branches just adds cost, and it's easier to put in a compatibility shim to select the right log import instead. | 15:01 |
| banix | enikanorov: mestery: Will there be a milestone attached to this bug which has been fixed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1373634 | 15:01 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1373634 in neutron "ML2 plugin bulk operations require multiple notifications being sent for sec group member updates" [Medium,Fix committed] - Assigned to Mohammad Banikazemi (mb-s) | 15:02 |
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| ihrachyshka | dougwig, it's not just import (at least not in all cases) | 15:02 |
| dougwig | marun: pinning unit tests is on the lbaas meeting agenda, which starts in 58 minutes. | 15:02 |
| ihrachyshka | dougwig, option registration, library setup changed, audit dropped... | 15:03 |
| marun | dougwig: ok, where? I'm happy to join. | 15:03 |
| dougwig | marun: #openstack-meeting-4 | 15:03 |
| marun | dougwig: re: driver, not sure you can escape multiple branches over the long term. | 15:03 |
| dougwig | marun: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/LBaaS | 15:03 |
| dougwig | marun: i can also ping you when we get to that item. | 15:03 |
| marun | dougwig: in-process dependency conflict would seem inevitable :/ | 15:03 |
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| marun | dougwig: thanks | 15:04 |
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| dougwig | marun: yeah, my goal to be lazy is not something to base process around, agreed. | 15:04 |
| ajo | salv-orlando: quesiton, in the OVS agent, do you know if vlan mappings are consistent across agent restarts? | 15:04 |
| marun | dougwig: Not saying that we shouldn't consider it, just that we'll need to understand better how to make it possible without too much cost. | 15:04 |
| ajo | quesiton? question... | 15:04 |
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| marun | ajo: local vlan mappings are not | 15:05 |
| ajo | hmmm, bad | 15:05 |
| marun | ajo: they are stored in memory | 15:05 |
| ajo | salv-orlando ^ | 15:05 |
| marun | ajo: why? | 15:05 |
| ajo | because there is a patch to re-use that mapping for connection tracking... | 15:05 |
| marun | ajo: hmmmm | 15:05 |
| marun | ajo: maybe I'm wrong... | 15:05 |
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| ajo | and that means, in-memory connection tracking in kernel marks, will out-sync from the marks we set in iptables | 15:05 |
| * marun goes to investigate | 15:06 | |
| * ajo goes too | 15:06 | |
| dougwig | marun, ihrachyshka - it is making me wonder about putting oslo into a neutron-lib. if entry points disappear quickly due to graduation, that's not really the kind of stable interface a lib should maintain. so either we wrap those interfaces from a non-mechanically copied location, or i'm not sure we make a habit of publishing a library with disappearing | 15:07 |
| dougwig | interfaces? | 15:07 |
| marun | dougwig: yeah, maybe wrappers of some kind? | 15:07 |
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| marun | dougwig: that could be deprecated upon graduation to oslo library? | 15:07 |
| ihrachyshka | dougwig, oslo incubator libraries must not be considered stable | 15:08 |
| marun | ihrachyshka: so we either have to provide a stable interface in neutron-lib or simply not expose | 15:08 |
| dougwig | ihrachyshka: right, but by using them a dependencies in another repo, we are implicitly treating them as such. | 15:08 |
| dougwig | marun: yes, that'd be one way. | 15:08 |
| ihrachyshka | dougwig, ideally, each project maintains its own copies of incubator modules. but for kilo, we avoided it for *aas repos since there were lots of switches this cycle, and it would make our life even more miserable | 15:09 |
| marun | dougwig: if we don't expose, maybe it's enough for *aas to import oslo incubator themselves. | 15:09 |
| ihrachyshka | marun, for neutron-lib, I would put it under neutron._openstack.common | 15:09 |
| marun | ihrachyshka: ah, so maybe next cycle *aas start copying? | 15:09 |
| ihrachyshka | to indicate private nature of it | 15:09 |
| marun | ihrachyshka: I guess the implication is that every repo needs to copy incubator | 15:09 |
| dougwig | i'd support the repos having their own oslo's. it's more work, but it's mechanical work, and it severs dependencies, which are pernicious. | 15:10 |
| ihrachyshka | marun, that may be the case, the number of modules from incubator is now manageable | 15:10 |
| marun | ihrachyshka: e.g. neutron and neutron-lib and neutron-vpnaas | 15:10 |
| marun | ihrachyshka: and then we have to hope that the implementations don't conflict | 15:10 |
| marun | hope -> trust our tests ? ;) | 15:10 |
| dougwig | it might be good to grep 'neutron.openstack.common' in all the new vendor decomp repos so we can see the scope of the bleeding. | 15:10 |
| ihrachyshka | marun, we started with ~20 and now are around ~10, with most of them used isolated in neutron repo | 15:10 |
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| ihrachyshka | marun, yeah, implementation conflict is a scary thing | 15:10 |
| ihrachyshka | marun, for libraries, we solve it with proposal bot | 15:11 |
| ihrachyshka | that's why we should run from incubator modules as far as possible. those are evil. | 15:11 |
| dougwig | marun, ihrachyshka - about to drive to work. offline for a bit. | 15:11 |
| marun | ihrachyshka: agreed | 15:11 |
| marun | dougwig: ttiab | 15:12 |
| openstackgerrit | rcurran proposed openstack/neutron: ML2 cisco_nexus MD: upstream updates required https://review.openstack.org/163040 | 15:12 |
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| ajo | marun, it looks to me like we don't have any persistence mechanism for the vlan mappings | 15:12 |
| ajo | salv-orlando ^ :/ | 15:13 |
| marun | ajo: we definitely don't persist it | 15:13 |
| ajo | ok, that's going to be an issue | 15:13 |
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| ajo | looking again at the patch.. | 15:13 |
| ajo | (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/118274/22) | 15:13 |
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| marun | ajo: https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/plugins/openvswitch/agent/ovs_neutron_agent.py#L680 | 15:13 |
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| marun | ajo: an ovs or agent restart will guarantee a fresh local vlan | 15:14 |
| ajo | ahaa | 15:14 |
| ajo | thanks maru | 15:14 |
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| marun | ajo: not great news, I know | 15:14 |
| marun | ajo: is there a reason the non-local vlan can't be used? | 15:14 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron: Fix wrong log output in neutron/neutron/agent/linux/dhcp.py https://review.openstack.org/162585 | 15:15 |
| garyk | sbelous: done | 15:15 |
| ajo | marun, that's hidden somewhere, there's a tiny ID limit for connection tracking marks on the kernel | 15:15 |
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| ajo | can't remember it now exactly, but around 16bits | 15:15 |
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| marun | ajo: so there might be another option... | 15:15 |
| marun | ajo: well | 15:16 |
| sbelous | garyk: thanks! | 15:16 |
| marun | ajo: any option requires persistence | 15:16 |
| marun | ajo: it's only a question of where | 15:16 |
| ajo | I guess, yes... | 15:16 |
| anteaya | mestery: I don't see edgar in channel | 15:16 |
| anteaya | sc68cal: are you at the ops meetup? | 15:16 |
| marun | ajo: I was thinking that we could add it to the port metadata that ovs retains | 15:16 |
| marun | ajo: there's nothing stopping us from adding another field | 15:16 |
| marun | ajo: that wouldn't be portable to lb, though. | 15:17 |
| ajo | marun, that sounds interesting | 15:17 |
| anteaya | sc68cal: can you shed more light on what edgar was saying in the meeting about nova net and ipv6? it didnt' make any sense to me | 15:17 |
| yamamoto | dvr folks around? | 15:17 |
| ajo | marun, btw, I think we can read the tag back from the ovs bridge, the same way we set it? | 15:17 |
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| marun | ajo: we can, yes. | 15:17 |
| ajo | it would be the same, I guess | 15:17 |
| marun | ajo: I'm not sure of the implications of doing so, though. | 15:17 |
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| ajo | marun, you mean the metadata in ovs/ovsdb, or somewhere else? | 15:17 |
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| marun | ajo: I mean, it should be possible to read all ports to reconstruct the table | 15:18 |
| marun | ajo: we can id the ports based on metadata and then check their vlan tag | 15:18 |
| ajo | marun, yes, I think that makes sense | 15:18 |
| sc68cal | anteaya: yep, I'm at the summit | 15:18 |
| sc68cal | let me read scrollback | 15:18 |
| ajo | marun, I guess if we keep the net-id tied to the port metadata, in such case it would be very easy | 15:18 |
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| ajo | get all net-id / tag pairs.... and build a dictionary | 15:18 |
| ajo | well.. build, the vlan mapping dict.. | 15:19 |
| marun | ajo: I don't think we keep the net-id, only the iface id | 15:19 |
| ajo | hmm | 15:19 |
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| marun | ajo: but the iface/port id can be used to get the net-id easily enough | 15:19 |
| sc68cal | anteaya: Basically we have one operator who is successfully using Nova-Network with IPv6. However, I believe they are using a different VIF driver than the default, which is bitten by https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1251235 | 15:19 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1251235 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "IPv6 DAD failure due to hairpinning" [High,Fix released] - Assigned to Sean M. Collins (scollins) | 15:19 |
| ajo | marun, yes, but I guess it needs syncing it from neutron-server via RPC , which could be a good thing btw... | 15:20 |
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| marun | ajo: it would need to be looked up, yes. | 15:20 |
| ajo | most probably we're doing it already... | 15:20 |
| marun | ajo: I think so. | 15:20 |
| sc68cal | They also had some custom patches they are carrying internally around radvd management | 15:21 |
| ajo | ok, I will re-check the implications of the patch + no-map-persistence, and propose the solution we were talking about | 15:21 |
| ajo | thanks marun | 15:21 |
| amuller | marun: Check out https://review.openstack.org/#/c/162811/ | 15:22 |
| marun | ajo: np :) | 15:22 |
| marun | amuller: ok | 15:22 |
| amuller | Prepare to have your testing mind blown | 15:22 |
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| amuller | in a very limited capacity of the term 'blown' | 15:22 |
| anteaya | sc68cal: okay so _one- operator is not what I am doing to steer my efforts aaround | 15:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Timothy Swanson proposed openstack/neutron: Add MTU selection & advertisement settings to Neutron config https://review.openstack.org/153733 | 15:22 |
| anteaya | sc68cal: I'm not sure what messageing came out around this | 15:22 |
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| marun | amuller: impressive | 15:23 |
| anteaya | sc68cal: but many people do many things that is great for them and has no impact on my life | 15:23 |
| anteaya | sc68cal: this is one of those instances | 15:23 |
| anteaya | sc68cal: and do tell edgar I am disappointed that a report at the meeting consisted of one data point | 15:23 |
| anteaya | without having the context of being one data point | 15:23 |
| anteaya | and gives the impression we should redirect efforts | 15:24 |
| amuller | marun: not sure how this relates to your blueprint about having the test tree mirror the directory paths of the non-test tree | 15:24 |
| amuller | I lumped together the RPC tests in a single directory instead of having them spread around the tree | 15:24 |
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| sc68cal | anteaya: agree - I've only heard rumors of one operator in China doing IPv6 successfully. This now makes two reports..... | 15:24 |
| amuller | That made more sense to me | 15:24 |
| anteaya | sc68cal: please try to convey my sentiments as fostering operators to have inappropriate expectations of this work is highly frustrating for me | 15:24 |
| garyk | claudiub: please see https://review.openstack.org/163047 | 15:24 |
| anteaya | sc68cal: the whole point was to tell operators what we are doing | 15:25 |
| anteaya | sc68cal: not pivot because someone is trying to do something | 15:25 |
| marun | amuller: it's only the unit test tree | 15:25 |
| anteaya | sc68cal: I'm disappointed | 15:25 |
| anteaya | sc68cal: not with you but edgar isn't in channel | 15:25 |
| amuller | marun: ok, I had it in the unit test tree in the beginning, the only reason I moved it to the functional tree is because of semantics... The tests dont need any special setup, they can be run on your laptop like unit tests | 15:25 |
| anteaya | sc68cal: thanks for being available | 15:26 |
| amuller | marun: But I don't think those tests are 'unit' tests by some definitions | 15:26 |
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| marun | amuller: there are different kinds of non-unit tests, but unit tests should only be locally targeted imho | 15:26 |
| sc68cal | anteaya: Edgar is running a session on network performance, hence his unavailability | 15:26 |
| marun | i.e. at functions in individual modules | 15:26 |
| sc68cal | anteaya: I'm two feet away from him, so I will have him ping you when the session is over | 15:27 |
| amuller | right | 15:27 |
| marun | amuller: functional is a grab-bag for everything else at this point | 15:27 |
| anteaya | please point him at the log so he can read my words when his if finished, if you could | 15:27 |
| sc68cal | anteaya: will do | 15:27 |
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| anteaya | sc68cal: thanks, any idea what time? I'm trying to squeeze in breakfast | 15:27 |
| marun | amuller: we may want to segment them at some point, but it's not clear to me how | 15:27 |
| marun | amuller: so, your proposed structure lgtm | 15:27 |
| sc68cal | anteaya: it just finished, so I will have him reach out now | 15:27 |
| amuller | marun: Working on more RPC tests now, I hit a snag with the OVS agent and way it sets up its RPC listeners... As it is you have to instantiate an OVS agent, and that would require a lot of ugly mocks | 15:28 |
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| openstackgerrit | dql proposed openstack/neutron: fix DHCP port changed when dhcp-agent restart https://review.openstack.org/162522 | 15:28 |
| marun | amuller: Please don't hesitate to refactor as necessary. | 15:28 |
| anteaya | sc68cal: okay thanks | 15:28 |
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| marun | amuller: refactoring code for testability > making tests unnecessarily complicated | 15:28 |
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| amuller | marun: I agree, just not entirely sure how. My first thought was to extract the setup_rpc method, make it a class method or something, but it would return like 15 variables if I did that | 15:29 |
| amuller | I don't know, I'll think about it | 15:29 |
| marun | amuller: object? | 15:29 |
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| amuller | perhaps | 15:29 |
| claudiub | garyk: sure, looking | 15:29 |
| marun | amuller: my advice is useless without actually digging into code, of course | 15:29 |
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| emagana | sorry folks.. I had to moderate a session at the ops meetup and could not attend the rest of the neutron meeting | 15:31 |
| garyk | thanks | 15:31 |
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| anteaya | emagana: hi | 15:32 |
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| emagana | anteaya: Hello! | 15:33 |
| anteaya | emagana: so I'll put my cards on the table | 15:33 |
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| emagana | anteaya: ? | 15:33 |
| anteaya | emagana: what you presented at meeting really upset me | 15:33 |
| anteaya | so let's start with this | 15:33 |
| anteaya | what are you telling people about the nova net to neutron migration | 15:33 |
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| emagana | anteaya: sorry to hear that, I am just the voice of what I heard. I am pretty sure there is some misunderstanding and we can work it out | 15:34 |
| anteaya | let's do so now please | 15:34 |
| anteaya | as I would really like operators to have reasonable expectations | 15:34 |
| anteaya | so do you want to start? | 15:34 |
| emagana | anteaya: I share the gerrit review and I asked around for feedback. | 15:34 |
| anteaya | I can listen first | 15:35 |
| anteaya | ah | 15:35 |
| anteaya | no | 15:35 |
| anteaya | I'm not interested in feedback | 15:35 |
| anteaya | I'm interested that they know | 15:35 |
| anteaya | this has been going on for 3 years | 15:35 |
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| anteaya | none of them will like it | 15:35 |
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| anteaya | and I accept that | 15:35 |
| emagana | anteaya: ok | 15:35 |
| anteaya | this is what we are doing, end of story | 15:35 |
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| anteaya | _now_ should someone want to get invovled | 15:35 |
| anteaya | that is wonderful | 15:36 |
| anteaya | and they are welcome | 15:36 |
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| anteaya | but a bunch more storis of hwo what we are doing doens't suit them is not new nor is it helpful | 15:36 |
| anteaya | how | 15:36 |
| emagana | anteaya: That was actually my point, I believe that having them involved in the process will make it better | 15:36 |
| anteaya | so anyone who wants to participate is welcome to attend the weekly meeting | 15:36 |
| anteaya | tuesdays at 0900 utc | 15:36 |
| anteaya | and there is an agenda | 15:36 |
| anteaya | and they can review patches and test | 15:37 |
| anteaya | anyone who tests I will listen to | 15:37 |
| emagana | anteaya: Let me add that to the etherpad | 15:37 |
| anteaya | thank you | 15:37 |
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| anteaya | if they want to be involved they can show up to the meeting and test code | 15:37 |
| anteaya | that is the feedback I will listen to | 15:37 |
| emagana | anteaya: we did not spend more that two minutes on the topic.. most of the feedback was related to neutron missing some features that nova-network provides | 15:37 |
| anteaya | okay well that is useful to | 15:38 |
| anteaya | but not in the context of the migration story for me | 15:38 |
| sc68cal | I felt like the operators are moving toe goalposts | 15:38 |
| anteaya | but helpful for the tc | 15:38 |
| anteaya | sc68cal: that is what they do | 15:38 |
| sc68cal | first they wanted multi_host , we got it via DVR | 15:38 |
| anteaya | which is why this has taken 3 years | 15:38 |
| sc68cal | they don't like OVS now, that's the new object of dislike, they now demand it for linux bridge | 15:38 |
| anteaya | and also why I only will listen to feedback to folks who show up to meetings and test code | 15:39 |
| anteaya | sc68cal: colour me surprised | 15:39 |
| sc68cal | I was glad it was only a couple minutes, I felt like neutron was the whipping boy | 15:39 |
| emagana | anteaya: Let's make an extra effort to get these people on the summit sessions | 15:39 |
| anteaya | no | 15:39 |
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| anteaya | there will be no summit session about the migration | 15:39 |
| marun | sc68cal: haters gotta hate ;) | 15:39 |
| anteaya | I want table time on friday | 15:39 |
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| marun | gotta -> gonna (oops) | 15:39 |
| sc68cal | marun: haters ball was in session | 15:40 |
| anteaya | but I have zero interest in have a room full of 400 people saying you need to make _me_ happy | 15:40 |
| anteaya | I encourage table time on friday | 15:40 |
| sc68cal | anteaya: +1 | 15:40 |
| anteaya | for those who want to _work_ | 15:40 |
| anteaya | workers welcome | 15:40 |
| emagana | anteaya: sounds like a good idea! | 15:40 |
| marun | anteaya: I don't really understand how ops should be driving this anyway | 15:40 |
| marun | anteaya: works takes resources | 15:41 |
| marun | anteaya: asking for things without providing resources? not going to accomplish anything | 15:41 |
| anteaya | emagana: thank you | 15:41 |
| anteaya | emagana sc68cal so do invite anyone who cares to the migration meeting tuesdays at 0900 utc in -meeting | 15:41 |
| claudiub | garyk: done | 15:41 |
| emagana | anteaya: sorry if this part got you upset, by not means I want people to get mad | 15:41 |
| anteaya | folks who show up get heard | 15:41 |
| sc68cal | anteaya: I will communicate that to operators here | 15:42 |
| anteaya | emagana: no I understand, it just don't see the point in trying to make them happy | 15:42 |
| anteaya | we won't | 15:42 |
| anteaya | I have accepted that | 15:42 |
| anteaya | sc68cal: thanks | 15:42 |
| anteaya | marun: all fair points | 15:42 |
| anteaya | okay thanks for your time and the channel space | 15:43 |
| sc68cal | I brought up in the first session of today that Operators need to be invovled in specs | 15:43 |
| anteaya | I need to get something to eat now | 15:43 |
| anteaya | how did that go over? | 15:43 |
| sc68cal | Good | 15:43 |
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| anteaya | good | 15:43 |
| emagana | anteaya: I got it.. anyway, this is just a small and very small number of all openstack operators looking for a migration plan.. so, it should not affect the work at all | 15:43 |
| anteaya | glad to hear it | 15:43 |
| garyk | claudiub: thanks! | 15:44 |
| anteaya | emagana: thanks | 15:44 |
| sc68cal | suggestion by Stefano Maffulli was to get specs sent to the operator's list | 15:44 |
| anteaya | emagana: glad we could sync up | 15:44 |
| sc68cal | sort of like how we get notifications in IRC | 15:44 |
| emagana | anteaya: anytime! | 15:44 |
| sc68cal | maybe on first patch | 15:44 |
| anteaya | sc68cal: ah I doubt that will happen | 15:44 |
| anteaya | sc68cal: better find monty before you broadcast that idea | 15:44 |
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| anteaya | they can just subscribe to email notifications on the specs projects of their choice | 15:45 |
| sc68cal | good point | 15:45 |
| anteaya | https://review.openstack.org/#/settings/projects | 15:45 |
| emagana | whoever is really interested in the specs, they can do it.. all is open | 15:45 |
| anteaya | watch a project, set email notifications | 15:45 |
| marun | sc68cal: I'm not really sure how drive-by review by ops is going to help | 15:45 |
| anteaya | teach them how to do that themselves | 15:45 |
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| marun | sc68cal: we need people who build relationships with the community | 15:45 |
| marun | so that we know we can trust them | 15:46 |
| sc68cal | marun: This is true, my hope was that having them review specs would help that | 15:46 |
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| sc68cal | Or at least get those introductions | 15:46 |
| amuller | Multi host for LB is very wrong from Neutron's point of view | 15:46 |
| marun | sc68cal: it could, as a first step, true. | 15:46 |
| amuller | I hope no one is getting ideas here =D | 15:46 |
| marun | amuller: wrong because we don't have the manpower? | 15:46 |
| marun | sc68cal: what we're really lacking is engineering management | 15:46 |
| marun | sc68cal: and product management | 15:47 |
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| marun | sc68cal: we're so developer-centric that we as a community frequently lose sight of the bigger issues | 15:47 |
| garyk | claudiub: can we approve https://review.openstack.org/#/c/156980/? | 15:47 |
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| marun | sc68cal: getting ops involved might help to some degree, but I think the root cause of our dysfunction will remain unaddressed | 15:47 |
| marun | sc68cal: that's not to say that I don't think ops is important... | 15:48 |
| marun | sc68cal: I think the huge advantage aws/google/etc have is the tight feedback loop between dev and ops. | 15:48 |
| amuller | Wrong because we already have a remarkably invasive and hard to maintain distributed routing solution and introducing a second one for a vast miniority because of arbitrary reasons is a huge misuse of developer time. Frankly, we can barely seem to be able to support DVR as it is, I don't think we have the manpower to support another spin off of it | 15:48 |
| marun | amuller: manpower it is :) | 15:48 |
| amuller | It's not only that but this is a moot discussion anyway | 15:49 |
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| marun | amuller: agreed | 15:49 |
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| sc68cal | marun: Yes, those are very good points | 15:53 |
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| sc68cal | marun: Do you want to run for BDFL? | 15:53 |
| sc68cal | ;) | 15:53 |
| marun | sc68cal: I'm definitely not the man for the job. | 15:54 |
| marun | sc68cal: But I would certainly appreciate some top-down vision to go with our bottom-up organization. | 15:54 |
| emagana | my opinion on this topic is that this is why all OpenStack projects need a Product Manager Team, who will collect the received feedback vs the development team efforts and drive the specs | 15:55 |
| marun | emagana: I think that's a solution in search of a problem. | 15:55 |
| marun | emagana: there is, in fact, a product managers mailing list and a group of them presume to be able to save openstack from itself. | 15:55 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron: Update default tox envlist to match voting gate checks https://review.openstack.org/137516 | 15:55 |
| emagana | but that will convert us in a product-based program and not into an opensource team.. | 15:55 |
| marun | emagana: but we're a developer-centric culture | 15:55 |
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| marun | emagana: it can't just be imposed | 15:56 |
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| emagana | marun: I do agree! | 15:56 |
| marun | emagana: right | 15:56 |
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| emagana | maybe we could find some common ground! | 15:56 |
| marun | I think we need cohesive vision and effective management. I'm not sure how to achieve that when everything is by consensus. | 15:57 |
| emagana | I do nto know.. I like to hear the operators community because I like to see the work of the development team in production systems.. | 15:57 |
| marun | emagana: it's definitely good to be exposed to different perspectives | 15:57 |
| marun | emagana: I don't think enough of us know what running a cloud is really like such that it could drive our development priorities. | 15:57 |
| claudiub | garyk: i don't have permission to see the page, for some reason | 15:58 |
| haleyb | there are some developers here that are also operators :) | 15:58 |
| emagana | marun: but what is the point of developing something that will not be used? | 15:58 |
| marun | emagana: I hear that hp may be donating it's defunct tripleo resources to infra, so that may be changing | 15:58 |
| marun | emagana: such that we'll be able to run ci on our openstack cloud | 15:58 |
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| emagana | marun: that will be awesome! | 15:59 |
| marun | emagana: that might allow developers more exposure to ops in a way that is meaningful to them. | 15:59 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Wiegley proposed openstack/neutron: Add proposal-bot-esque job for updating child repo neutron pinning https://review.openstack.org/163062 | 15:59 |
| * marun crosses his fingers | 15:59 | |
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| marun | dougwig: you don't waste any time :) | 15:59 |
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| emagana | will be around at the ops meetup but if someone wants to hear more just ping me! | 15:59 |
| marun | emagana: have fun! | 16:00 |
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| dougwig | marun: i guess i don't need to paste that to you. :) | 16:00 |
| amuller | This ties in to the drivers team in my opinion. There's obviously an issue with a group of developers deciding which features should be given -2, when there's no feedback from users, customers (Or product managers). This cycle we *kind of* avoided the problem by having a cycle where we focused on technical debt, which developers love (Yay refactoring), so there wasn't a lot of complaint. But what happens in the next 2-3 cycles where | 16:00 |
| amuller | drivers have to decide on more technical features, I don't know. Things like NFV related features, distributing services, who's to decide what is more important, without feedback and a more transparent process? | 16:00 |
| pc_m | zhhuabj: I just saw it fail once, when I tried strongswan. Will do more runs today. | 16:01 |
| marun | amuller: we're a community | 16:01 |
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| marun | amuller: if participants want focus on things, they need to drive consensus support | 16:01 |
| marun | amuller: it's not magic | 16:01 |
| zhhuabj | pc_m, I just test it in ubuntu 14.10 with strongswan driver and ubuntu 14.04 with openswan driver, I haven't test in ubuntu 14.04 with strongswan driver, | 16:02 |
| marun | amuller: All that to say that feedback isn't enough. | 16:02 |
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| zhhuabj | pc_m, I will test this case (ubuntu 14.04 + ss driver) as well today | 16:02 |
| amuller | That's a cop out answer... Some specs were approved, others rejected, where there was no more or less 'community support'. At this point, the stuff that wasn't related to technical debt, was very much arbitrary. | 16:02 |
| marun | amuller: a cop out answer? | 16:02 |
| marun | amuller: we're a community. | 16:02 |
| marun | amuller: we're not a top-down engineering organization | 16:02 |
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| matrohon | roaet, roaet_ : ping | 16:03 |
| marun | amuller: the goal is to make neutron lighter-weight to minimize the kind of arbitrary decision-making you're complaining about | 16:03 |
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| roaet | matrohon: hi | 16:03 |
| roaet | roaet_: ? | 16:03 |
| roaet | i have a clone! | 16:04 |
| marun | amuller: but so long as something needs to happens in-tree, it has to be balanced against perceived priorities. | 16:04 |
| matrohon | roaet : roaet_ seems on the room too! | 16:04 |
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| matrohon | roaet : I'd like to use the capacity to extend the neutron client that you recently merged | 16:04 |
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| roaet | matrohon: cool | 16:05 |
| marun | amuller: how would you propose we make those decisions without relying on the relationships among the interested parties? | 16:05 |
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| matrohon | roaet : it looks suitable to my need, thanks to you | 16:05 |
| amuller | I'm very much aware that we are a community. I'm saying that some specs that were approved had no more community support than some specs that were given -2 for arbitrary reasons. The notion of 'community support' can be arbitrary in itself sometimes and at the very least, it's very hard to measure if we're not quantifying it. The drivers team made no effort to explain what are the perceived priorities for areas that did not revolve | 16:05 |
| amuller | around technical debt and why some specs were cut while others were not. Just throwing around 'community support' as a magic explanation can be a cop out. | 16:05 |
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| marun | so you'd ignore the fact that some people have authority in this project by virtue of trust and technical competance? | 16:06 |
| roaet | matrohon: well I'm glad it helps. did you need information on getting an extension working? | 16:06 |
| marun | or the fact that the ptl was elected and gets to guide this decision-making process as he sees fit? | 16:06 |
| matrohon | roaet : you've also proposed an example : fox_sockets | 16:06 |
| matrohon | roaet : yep | 16:06 |
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| marun | process is *not* a substitute for culture | 16:06 |
| marun | competance -> competence | 16:07 |
| matrohon | roaet : do you already know a stand alone project that use it by adding it to its entry points? | 16:07 |
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| roaet | matrohon: a stand-alone entrypoint example? one doesn't exist yet but I'm working on one right now | 16:08 |
| marun | amuller: everyone is free to complain, but it would be better to work towards something better. | 16:08 |
| matrohon | roaet : for the quark client? | 16:08 |
| roaet | matrohon: indeed | 16:08 |
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| roaet | https://github.com/roaet/quark_python_neutronclient_ext | 16:08 |
| amuller | marun: I'm in favor of stronger leadership on basis of trust and technical competence and I think that the people currently in the drivers team have proven themselves. I agree with you that his project lacks vision, that's very appearent. Perhaps getting rid of a lot of stuff that we know nothing about will mitigate that issue. What I am saying, is that the process being used to decide on +2 and -2 for specs needs to be taken more *much* | 16:09 |
| amuller | more seriously (As opposed to sitting down at a mid cycle for a few hours) *and* be more transparent. | 16:09 |
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| roaet | it has been backburnered but I can make the modifications to it quickly if that'd help you out matrohon | 16:09 |
| amuller | Approving and declining specs is a massively important responsibility, it shapes the project for the years to come | 16:09 |
| marun | amuller: have you seen how many specs get proposed? | 16:09 |
| marun | if there's a problem, it's allowing an open submission process | 16:09 |
| amuller | marun: I understand that this is a massive undertaking, and still the filtering process should take more than an afternoon... | 16:10 |
| matrohon | roaet : cool! yep it would surely help! | 16:10 |
| amuller | It should be treated with respect | 16:10 |
| marun | amuller: seriously? | 16:10 |
| marun | amuller: you think that drivers spend only an afternoon? | 16:10 |
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| marun | It can take an afternoon per-spec! | 16:10 |
| amuller | marun: You know exactly what I'm specifically referring to and what I'm not, no need to twist my words | 16:11 |
| amuller | I've spent hours reviewing single specs of course I know what is involved | 16:11 |
| marun | amuller: The point is that arbitrary decision-making is part of the spec process | 16:11 |
| marun | amuller: we can't give due process to all of them | 16:11 |
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| roaet | matrohon: you wouldn't also happen to need auth extensions? ;) | 16:11 |
| marun | amuller: the only way out of this mess is limiting the scope of what has to have our approval in the first place | 16:12 |
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| marun | i.e. focus on enabling out-of-tree development | 16:13 |
| zhhuabj | pc_m, seems need ensure_process in _delete_vpn_processes, what do you think ? | 16:13 |
| amuller | I can't argue with those two statements and I disagree on a fundemental level. Even after the advanced services and vendors split you're going to have a massive amount of specs to look at. 'arbitrary decision making' should NOT be a part of the spec process. | 16:13 |
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| matrohon | roaet : no auth extension, only extensions to my service_plugin API! IFAIU the code of the neutronclient has the fox_sockets example embedded : shouldn't I be able to run 'neutron fox-sockets-list'? | 16:13 |
| roaet | matrohon: no it was taken out by request. It's only there for unit testing and as an example. | 16:14 |
| pc_m | zhhuabj: checking | 16:14 |
| roaet | It's not loadable because of the _ in front of it | 16:14 |
| marun | amuller: I wish I could live in the world you're describing. | 16:15 |
| amuller | marun: Look, this is a scale, not a binary process | 16:15 |
| amuller | You can't go through every spec on the same level | 16:16 |
| amuller | Because that'd take possibly longer than a single cycle | 16:16 |
| pc_m | zhhuabj: It seems like it is creating the process and then turning around and deleting it. No? | 16:16 |
| matrohon | roaet : ok! I'll have a look your UT, I hope it will help me to better understand to stevedore magic! | 16:16 |
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| pc_m | zhhuabj: I don't see why ensure_process() call is needed. If it already exists, it'll delete it. If not, then there will be nothing to do. Or am I missing something? | 16:17 |
| roaet | matrohon: I have a random auth example that shows how entry points work | 16:17 |
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| roaet | https://github.com/rackerlabs/rackspace-auth-neutronclientext/blob/master/setup.py | 16:17 |
| marun | amuller: agreed | 16:17 |
| amuller | marun: But a) We could improve, and b) The process itself is opaque and seems arbitrary from the outside. Even if you don't spend more time on examining a spec on technical grounds, the way to communicate a denial can be made more humane. | 16:17 |
| roaet | matrohon: the EP are put in setup.py I believe. | 16:17 |
| marun | amuller: could things be better? yes. | 16:18 |
| marun | amuller: I'm not going to argue against improving things. | 16:18 |
| amuller | marun: I'm trying to point out two issues, the first one I cannot do much about, but the 2nd point is communication, which is very actionable | 16:18 |
| marun | amuller: But the idea that things are arbitrary and don't have to be is, to me, a cop-out. | 16:18 |
| marun | They *do* have to seem arbitrary at some level. | 16:18 |
| zhhuabj | pc_m, check again, make sense | 16:18 |
| marun | Because we get so many useless submissions of specs or code from people that don't understand wtf is going on... | 16:19 |
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| marun | And any process, no matter how well reasoned, is going to seem arbitrary to those folks because they aren't engaged enough to undertand how to contribute. | 16:19 |
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| pc_m | mestery: ping | 16:20 |
| ihrachyshka | marun, I think the point is to split technical grounds for denial from organizational ('we don't have cycles for this') | 16:20 |
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| marun | ihrachyshka: I'm not sure it's always obvious where that line lies. | 16:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | Carl Baldwin proposed openstack/neutron: Move create_dvr_fip_interfaces in to DVR https://review.openstack.org/159663 | 16:21 |
| ihrachyshka | marun, just curious whether the arbitrary part of decision making is because we limit ourselves in time when we consider new specs (?) | 16:22 |
| matrohon | roaet : EP has to be registered in the setup.cfg of one project, which will be translated by pbr in an entry in project.egg-info/entry_points.txt, I think | 16:22 |
| marun | ihrachyshka: that is likely part of it, yeah. | 16:22 |
| marun | ihrachyshka: the other part is that anyone can submit a spec | 16:22 |
| ihrachyshka | marun, do you want some ATC kind of limit for that? | 16:22 |
| marun | ihrachyshka: Something like that, yeah. A trust relationship between the proposer and the community is suggested. | 16:23 |
| ihrachyshka | (in an ideal world, I would actually like if people would need to earn some points doing bug fixing before getting a chance for spec submit) | 16:23 |
| matrohon | roaet : I did enter an entry in my setup.cfg, for the neutronclient.extension namespace, but the neutron client doesn't load my extension | 16:23 |
| ihrachyshka | because in the end, if you haven't done any low hanging fruit kind of work for the community, it's not clear whether you'll be effective when doing submissions for new features | 16:24 |
| openstackgerrit | Sandhya Dasu proposed openstack/neutron: Cisco UCS Manager ML2 Mechanism Driver https://review.openstack.org/155436 | 16:24 |
| mestery | pc_m: pong | 16:25 |
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| pc_m | mestery: I just posted to QA IRC, but that 162887 job is still seeing strangeness. | 16:25 |
| pc_m | I couldn't rebase, with it saying no difference. Then I did a recheck, and it failed. Someone else did a recheck and it passed. | 16:26 |
| pc_m | it is in gate and is showing failing docs, pep8, pylint. | 16:26 |
| pc_m | mestery: This is a really simple change too... I'm clueless as to what is going on. | 16:27 |
| carl_baldwin | salv-orlando: ping | 16:27 |
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| pc_m | mestery: Is it merging in other changes from the queue and that is causing issues? | 16:27 |
| mestery | pc_m: Me too, I couldn't rebase either when I tried | 16:27 |
| mestery | Very strange | 16:27 |
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| marun | ihrachyshka: agreed. we do need to get better at mentoring new contributors and having sane things for them to work on. | 16:28 |
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| openstackgerrit | Zhang Hua proposed openstack/neutron-vpnaas: VPNaaS breakage by refactoring commit https://review.openstack.org/162840 | 16:30 |
| roaet | matrohon: I'll start working on my extension soon and see if I can help you out | 16:30 |
| amuller | Mentoring in a community such as ours is problematic. I think that additional devref is more scalable (Cough: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/150918/) | 16:30 |
| amuller | + Testing doc | 16:30 |
| amuller | + DVR doc | 16:31 |
| pc_m | mestery: Any idea on how to approach this issue, or who to talk to? | 16:31 |
| amuller | and take it from there... | 16:31 |
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| matrohon | roaet : If I rename the file _fox_socket to fox_soccket, the extension should work? | 16:31 |
| mestery | pc_m: Best bet is to see if clarkb or fungi has some time to help you I think. anteaya may be able to help find someone as well. | 16:31 |
| roaet | matrohon: sadly no.. I forgot, but I was asked to remove contrib loading support | 16:31 |
| pc_m | mestery: Thanks. will do... | 16:31 |
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| matrohon | roaet : ok, the neutronclient needs an update so... at least a removal of the contrib dir | 16:34 |
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| roaet | matrohon: we were able to leave it there to keep the example extension | 16:34 |
| matrohon | roaet : of fine... it's pretty confusing given your commit message, which mentions the use of the contrib dir. thanks for the info, it'll help :) | 16:35 |
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| amuller | carl_baldwin: I left 1 comment on the internal interfaces patch | 16:36 |
| openstackgerrit | Zhang Hua proposed openstack/neutron-vpnaas: VPNaaS breakage by refactoring commit https://review.openstack.org/162840 | 16:36 |
| roaet | matrohon: the situation by which that patch was merged was complicated.. I think the commit message was a victim of that, heh. | 16:37 |
| mestery | marun: I'm trying to run the (currently experimental) functional job for the python-neutronclient, and it's been sitting waiting for a node for 3.5 hours. Is this normal for experimental jobs? | 16:37 |
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| openstackgerrit | Pavel Bondar proposed openstack/neutron: Refactor db_base_plugin_v2.py to use new IPAM https://review.openstack.org/153236 | 16:39 |
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| matrohon | roaet : thanks for the discussion, I'll keep on digging into that, and I'll wait for the quark extensions | 16:41 |
| openstackgerrit | Zhang Hua proposed openstack/neutron-vpnaas: VPNaaS breakage by refactoring commit https://review.openstack.org/162840 | 16:42 |
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| marun | matrohon: unfortunately, yes. the experimental queue is terrible | 16:45 |
| marun | oops, mestery ^^ | 16:45 |
| mestery | marun: #sadpanda | 16:45 |
| marun | mestery: I'd recommend adding it non-voting to the check pipeline instead | 16:46 |
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| marun | mestery: that's the only way we were able to have reasonable turnaround when working on the api and functional jobs | 16:46 |
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| marun | mestery: the biggest flaw in our current ci scheme is not being able to validate config changes by running actual jobs | 16:47 |
| mestery | yeah | 16:47 |
| mestery | it sucks | 16:47 |
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| mestery | marun: So I guess I sit and wait :( | 16:48 |
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| amuller | marun: There might be an issue with 'cast' and the Oslo messaging fake driver, I'll look in to it after lunch. Right now I'm unable to get a test where the receipient actually receives a 'cast'. | 16:52 |
| amuller | only 'calls' | 16:52 |
| openstackgerrit | Shiv Haris proposed openstack/neutron: Brocade vendor code decomposition from neutron repo. https://review.openstack.org/152383 | 16:52 |
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| carl_baldwin | amuller, ack | 17:01 |
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| Akanksha08 | Hi rossella_s | 17:14 |
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| openstackgerrit | Claudiu Belu proposed openstack/neutron: Hyper-V Agent decomposition https://review.openstack.org/153259 | 17:21 |
| openstackgerrit | Chuck Carlino proposed openstack/neutron: Prevent updating mac address of bound port https://review.openstack.org/162500 | 17:22 |
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| dougwig | marun, mestery - is the non-voting check queue a good alternative? i dread trying to iterate in the experimental queue. | 17:24 |
| marun | dougwig: I think so | 17:24 |
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| marun | dougwig: it does add gate overhead, but the alternative is so much worse | 17:24 |
| mestery | The experimental queue sucks | 17:25 |
| mestery | My client patch is still rotting in there | 17:25 |
| mestery | Almost 5 hours now | 17:25 |
| mestery | dougwig: ^^^ | 17:25 |
| dougwig | marun: have you chatted with infra about it? | 17:25 |
| mestery | #sadpanda | 17:25 |
| marun | I'm not entirely sure why the experimental queue doesn't get more resources | 17:25 |
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| marun | dougwig: I had words at one point | 17:25 |
| marun | dougwig: the tripleo experimental queue came back super quick and I was wondering wtf | 17:25 |
| dougwig | let me see about tilting at that windmill. | 17:26 |
| marun | dougwig: it didn't seem that anyone was concerned about the experimental queue being slow, presumably because none of the people I was talking to were affected by it | 17:26 |
| marun | dougwig: but it's definitely worth a revisit | 17:26 |
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| mestery | dougwig: Loop me in too, I want to tilt with you | 17:27 |
| dougwig | #openstack-infra, right now | 17:27 |
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| openstackgerrit | Pavel Bondar proposed openstack/neutron: Implement IPAM Driver loader https://review.openstack.org/147479 | 17:35 |
| openstackgerrit | Pavel Bondar proposed openstack/neutron: Introduce External IPAM Interface https://review.openstack.org/134339 | 17:35 |
| openstackgerrit | Pavel Bondar proposed openstack/neutron: Refactor db_base_plugin_v2.py to use new IPAM https://review.openstack.org/153236 | 17:35 |
| openstackgerrit | Pavel Bondar proposed openstack/neutron: IPAM reference driver https://review.openstack.org/150485 | 17:35 |
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| dougwig | mestery, marun - that was too easy. i feel robbed of "the openstack experience". | 17:40 |
| marun | heh | 17:40 |
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| mestery | dougwig: I'll save some of the openstack experience for you in person in vancouver | 17:41 |
| mestery | ;) | 17:41 |
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| mestery | dougwig: Also, it hasn't merged yet, so don't declare victory yet | 17:41 |
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| dougwig | oh, true, true. | 17:41 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron: Imported Translations from Transifex https://review.openstack.org/162540 | 17:42 |
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| mestery | dougwig: Over 5 hours in the experimental queue waiting for my python-neutronclient job to get a node to run on | 18:05 |
| mestery | dougwig: *sigh* | 18:05 |
| openstackgerrit | Ryan Tidwell proposed openstack/neutron: WIP Subnet allocation from a subnet pool https://review.openstack.org/157597 | 18:05 |
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| openstackgerrit | rcurran proposed openstack/neutron: ML2 cisco_nexus MD: upstream updates required https://review.openstack.org/163040 | 18:09 |
| marun | Rajeev: Do you honestly think that what you were adding qualifies as a 'unit test'? | 18:11 |
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| Rajeev | marun: yes, within the context of the unit tests that are there. | 18:12 |
| marun | Rajeev: That wasn't my question. | 18:12 |
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| marun | Rajeev: Do you consider what you were adding a unit test, period. | 18:12 |
| Rajeev | marun: yes | 18:12 |
| marun | Rajeev: Not considering the context of Neutron's supposed 'unit test' suite. | 18:12 |
| marun | Rajeev: Then I respectfully submit that you don't know what a unit test actually is. | 18:13 |
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| Rajeev | marun: I am not sure why your perspective is so different from rest of the reviewers | 18:14 |
| marun | Rajeev: Because I actually care about testing. | 18:14 |
| marun | Rajeev: I don't write features, but I am trying to encourage a more effective approach to testing. | 18:15 |
| amuller | Rajeev: Truthfully for years adding unit tests as a checkmark so you could get your patch merged, but most of the agent-site unit testing is not effective, it's just a checkmark... | 18:15 |
| amuller | So the idea is to up our game | 18:15 |
| amuller | And be more effective in testing, which for most of the agent-side testing should be functional testing | 18:15 |
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| marun | Rajeev: I entirely agree, though, that there needs to be better documentation. | 18:16 |
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| marun | Rajeev: You're right to complain that my commentary seems arbitrary without clear and published guidelines. | 18:16 |
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| marun | Rajeev: It is my intention to rectify this, probably post k3 when I'll have more time. | 18:17 |
| Rajeev | marun: don't get me wrong, I do appreciate your intent. But I think it needs to be worked out into the system a bit more. | 18:17 |
| marun | Rajeev: I disagree | 18:17 |
| marun | Rajeev: If I can make things better by individual review, I'm going to do it. | 18:18 |
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| marun | Rajeev: It's not an effective way of educating the broader community, but it's all I have right now. | 18:18 |
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| Rajeev | marun: I think it is not that difficult to work with the community. | 18:19 |
| marun | Rajeev: Who says I'm not working with the community? | 18:19 |
| marun | Rajeev: I mean, my individual effort doesn't scale. | 18:19 |
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| marun | Rajeev: But as far as what needs to be done, I haven't heard anyone dissenting about the approach I'm advocating (assuming they actually understand it) | 18:20 |
| marun | Rajeev: That we have functional testing as an option at all is the result of people like me working hard to make it happen. | 18:20 |
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| Rajeev | marun: I am trying to be supportive here, and that is why got help to get the dependent patch submitted so quickly. | 18:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Baodong (Robert) Li proposed openstack/neutron: Implement Neutron IPv6 Prefix Delegation https://review.openstack.org/158697 | 18:22 |
| marun | Rajeev: So what are we arguing about? | 18:23 |
| marun | Rajeev: What about my comments don't you agree with? | 18:23 |
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| Rajeev | marun: two things, one please get clear word out in wnat circumstances you expect functional tests. Secondly please don't block current patches, especially if you see people trying to get functional tests in | 18:24 |
| Rajeev | as follow ups | 18:25 |
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| marun | Rajeev: Respectfully, why are you telling me how to do my job? | 18:27 |
| marun | Rajeev: The functional change needs to be included in the originating patch, period. | 18:27 |
| marun | Rajeev: There's no need to take this personally. | 18:27 |
| marun | Rajeev: a -2 is 'this should not merge' | 18:28 |
| marun | Rajeev: I've given you a clear indication as to how you can get the code in that patch merged - include it in the parent. | 18:28 |
| openstackgerrit | Dane LeBlanc proposed openstack/neutron: Support Dual-Stack Gateway Ports on Neutron Routers https://review.openstack.org/149068 | 18:28 |
| Rajeev | marun: I am not telling you how to do your job, no that is not my intent. I was responding to your comment "So what are we arguing about?" | 18:28 |
| marun | Rajeev: You can fight me on this, but that won't help you get your code merged. | 18:28 |
| amuller | Rajeev: Is there a reason not to squash the two patches in to one? | 18:29 |
| amuller | I think that Maru is operating on the assumption that there isn't | 18:29 |
| Rajeev | marun: Yes, these have different authorship | 18:29 |
| marun | Rajeev: That is not a good reason | 18:29 |
| marun | Rajeev: shared authorship attribution is always an option | 18:29 |
| marun | Rajeev: You're even using it already! | 18:30 |
| Rajeev | marun: yes, exactly because of the second patch | 18:31 |
| marun | Rajeev: There is nothing to stop you from adding the second change to the first and having that patch have shared authorship. | 18:31 |
| Rajeev | marun: I am trying to get functioal tests in to your endeavor, I am kind of not following why you are blocking it so much | 18:32 |
| marun | As to what the expectation for testing, if you're merging functionalityk, is it tested? | 18:32 |
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| marun | That's a question that both reviewer and author need to ask. | 18:32 |
| marun | Rajeev: If you want to do as I ask, your code will merge. | 18:33 |
| marun | Rajeev: I'm not sure what you're hoping to accomplish by arguing so strongly for doing things your way. | 18:33 |
| marun | Rajeev: I have my reasons for asking for changes, and I haven't heard any reason from you why those reasons are not valid. | 18:34 |
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| Rajeev | marun: I am not intending to argue but voicing what I am hearing from other contributors too so that we can keep things moving smoothly. | 18:35 |
| marun | Rajeev: What are you hearing from other contributors that contradicts me? | 18:35 |
| marun | me -> my comments | 18:35 |
| marun | Rajeev: that unit tests are required? | 18:36 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron-vpnaas: Remove the reference for non-existent cisco.l3.plugging_drivers https://review.openstack.org/162887 | 18:36 |
| Rajeev | marun: the notion about unit tests vs, functional tests and what is a reasonable requirement as understood by people contributing code | 18:37 |
| amuller | Rajeev: You are right in the sense that there have no written guidelines | 18:37 |
| amuller | So far it's been communicated verbally | 18:37 |
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| amuller | And Maru is working on such a document | 18:37 |
| amuller | In the mean time, code that touches the agent is expected to be tested effectively, meaning that parts of it should be tested with functional tests | 18:38 |
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| amuller | Just like the current DVR functional tests | 18:38 |
| Rajeev | marun: amuller That is very encouraging to hear | 18:38 |
| jschwarz | marun, this reminds me that I ought to add some TESTING.rst documentation to the fullstack patch... will probably do so on my next patchset | 18:39 |
| jschwarz | (after yours goes through) | 18:39 |
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| openstackgerrit | Paul Michali proposed openstack/neutron-vpnaas: VPNaaS: Enable StrongSwan in gate hook https://review.openstack.org/161714 | 18:45 |
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| openstackgerrit | Baodong (Robert) Li proposed openstack/neutron: Implement Neutron IPv6 Prefix Delegation https://review.openstack.org/158697 | 19:16 |
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| mriedem | i'm looking at some wonky code in the neutronv2 api and had a question, | 19:24 |
| mriedem | is it possible to have more than one port associated with an instance in the same network? | 19:24 |
| mriedem | i assume so | 19:24 |
| mriedem | and each port would have a separate fixed_ip | 19:25 |
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| russellb | mriedem: good question ... IIRC, there has been a lot of debate about whether we would allow that or not. | 19:27 |
| russellb | huge debate to required code ratio, heh | 19:27 |
| mriedem | russellb: well, the multinic api was clearly written for nova-network | 19:27 |
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| mriedem | looking at the neutronv2 api code here: https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/network/neutronv2/api.py#L752 | 19:28 |
| mriedem | notice how it loops over ports but will exit before getting to the 2nd one | 19:28 |
| mriedem | that code is pretty terrible on many levels actually, it gets the client multiple times, it's swallowing an exception, and it's only updating the first port (which is probably by design) | 19:29 |
| mriedem | same for remove_fixed_ip_from_instance | 19:29 |
| russellb | mriedem: this is what i was thinking about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/97716/ | 19:30 |
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| russellb | mriedem: supposedly implemented (meaning yes, it should be supported) | 19:30 |
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| mriedem | hmm | 19:35 |
| mriedem | pretty sure tempest tests never landed for that as promised in the spec | 19:35 |
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| mriedem | russellb: ok, so given that change, if i allowed multiple ports on the same network and then called add_fixed_ip_to_instance, only the first port would get the fixed_ips from the first subnet for that network | 19:54 |
| mriedem | any fixed_ips on any other subnets wouldn't get on the port, | 19:54 |
| mriedem | nor any subnets/fixed_ips for any other ports on the network for that instance | 19:54 |
| mriedem | so that code seems pretty busted | 19:54 |
| russellb | not surprising | 19:54 |
| mriedem | sadly no | 19:54 |
| mriedem | and since there was no tempest testing added for the blueprint, we don't have any cases to build from | 19:55 |
| mriedem | in tempest i mean | 19:55 |
| mriedem | barf | 19:55 |
| mriedem | maybe i'll write a test then...i seem to be doing this a lot recently to test these edge cases between nova and neutron - the code in nova is so ugly it's always hard to tell what's actually tested in tempest | 19:55 |
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| amuller | marun: Slight snag with the RPC tests. Cast, as opposed to call, is happening asynchronously even with the fake driver. The test thread is putting a message in a queue, and then you have another eventlet green thread polling from that queue. Under normal conditions the test finishes before the polling happens so the message is not actually received by the other end... | 19:57 |
| amuller | I added a while True: eventlet.sleep(0) | 19:57 |
| amuller | and then the other end receives the message, it's pretty funny | 19:57 |
| amuller | marun: I guess I'll add a utility that waits until the exchange queues are empty before proceeding | 19:58 |
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| haleyb | sc68cal: i have some comments on your devstack patch, sorry for the late review | 20:05 |
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| claudiub | mtreinish: hello | 20:09 |
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| carl_baldwin | amuller: I addressed your comment on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/154513/ | 20:20 |
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| amuller | carl_baldwin: +1 | 20:20 |
| amuller | the next patch is more complicated it'll take me a bit | 20:20 |
| carl_baldwin | amuller: No worries. Thank you. | 20:21 |
| carl_baldwin | amuller: I need to buckle down and get one more patch up for the remaining stuff in agent.py. | 20:21 |
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| pc_m | dougwig: ping | 20:29 |
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| dougwig | pc_m: ack | 20:30 |
| pc_m | dougwig: Do you know how imports for out of repo code are supposed to be handled? Specifically, in the neutron-vpnaas repo, there is a Cisco device driver that refers to a neutron import that has now been moved out to stackforge. | 20:30 |
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| pc_m | Wondering what all needs to be done, to reference that import in neutron-vpnaas. Do you know (or anyone lurking)? | 20:31 |
| dougwig | oh, that's gross. hmm. | 20:31 |
| dougwig | choices are (thinking out loud): 1) refactor out the import, 2) wrap the import in a try, 3) add that project to vpnaas's requirements list | 20:32 |
| dougwig | maybe a shim + requirements file in place, similar to the neutron decomp | 20:32 |
| pc_m | In this case, it is only referring to a constant in that vendor repo (so the workaround was to locally duplicate the definition). | 20:33 |
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| openstackgerrit | Michael Smith proposed openstack/neutron: manual add/remove router for dvr_snat agent https://review.openstack.org/122024 | 20:34 |
| pc_m | Not sure the import could be refactored out. Wrapping would have to then locally define the value anyway. | 20:34 |
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| pc_m | dougwig: Seems like the options are to just have the duplicate definition, or add it to requirements. Though I didn't know if we want to have a vendor repo in requirements. | 20:35 |
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| pc_m | dougwig: I see Brocade code that has a networking_vyatta import, and I don't see that in requirements.txt. Hmm | 20:38 |
| pc_m | I mean networking_brocade | 20:39 |
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| openstackgerrit | enikanorov proposed openstack/neutron: Refactor retry mechanism used in some DB operations https://review.openstack.org/149261 | 20:41 |
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| pc_m | dougwig: I don't see any reference to networking_brocade anywhere. Wondering how that import is ensured to be on the system. | 20:41 |
| dougwig | it should have a requirements file in one of neutron's subduers. | 20:42 |
| dougwig | subdirs | 20:42 |
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| Rajeev | marun: amuller I had to leave abruptly earlier because I lost track of time. I have to be offline for some more time. But thanks for sharing your thoughts, it helps. | 20:43 |
| pc_m | dougwig: don't see it... | 20:44 |
| pc_m | HenryG: ping | 20:44 |
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| ChuckC | carl_baldwin: haleyb: I've responded to your comments on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/162500/ | 20:51 |
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| carl_baldwin | ChuckC: ack | 20:52 |
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| enikanorov_ | folks, i'm looking and some logs http://logs.openstack.org/61/149261/14/check/check-tempest-dsvm-neutron-full/caf5e9e/logs/screen-q-svc.txt.gz and see log lines format being different from line to line, is that some known issue? | 20:52 |
| enikanorov_ | (lines are different - some have pids, some don't) | 20:52 |
| itzikb | armax: ping | 20:53 |
| openstackgerrit | Mathieu Rohon proposed openstack/neutron: ML2 : make port status change only when the port is bound to the host that asking https://review.openstack.org/163178 | 20:54 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ryan Tidwell proposed openstack/neutron: WIP Subnet allocation from a subnet pool https://review.openstack.org/157597 | 20:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron: Don't notify dead DHCP agent of removed networks https://review.openstack.org/162559 | 20:57 |
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| kevinbenton | ihrachyshka: hey | 21:18 |
| ihrachyshka | kevinbenton, hey! | 21:18 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachyshka: is the conversion away from neutron.openstack.common.log a simple import replacement | 21:19 |
| kevinbenton | ? | 21:19 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachyshka: or is there a new way to invoke the logger as well? | 21:19 |
| ihrachyshka | kevinbenton, should be, in most cases. | 21:19 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachyshka: ok, thanks | 21:19 |
| ihrachyshka | kevinbenton, also see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/147312/ | 21:20 |
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| ihrachyshka | kevinbenton, but it's more of safety checks, in simple cases it's just a matter of import switches. | 21:20 |
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| dims | ihrachyshka: kevinbenton: migrating notes - http://docs-draft.openstack.org/12/147312/5/check/gate-oslo.log-docs/5b2a401//doc/build/html/usage.html#migrating-to-oslo-log | 21:21 |
| ihrachyshka | dims, right, that's the patch I referred to | 21:21 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachyshka: why not have openstack.common.log pass through directly the oslo.log then? | 21:22 |
| dims | :) | 21:22 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachyshka: just to make it more explicit? | 21:22 |
| dims | kevinbenton: that comes from oslo-incubator and we are trying to get rid of the code in oslo-incubator | 21:22 |
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| dims | end goal is to get rid of */openstack/common/* | 21:22 |
| kevinbenton | dims: oh, all of oslo incubator is going away? | 21:23 |
| kevinbenton | oh okay | 21:23 |
| ihrachyshka | kevinbenton, well, because it works the same in *most* but not all of them (for some things, imports are switched, arguments are changed...) | 21:23 |
| ihrachyshka | kevinbenton, well, that's the Holy Grail of graduation - getting rid of all incubator modules | 21:23 |
| dims | when we release a library say oslo.log, log.py in oslo-incubator is removed | 21:23 |
| ihrachyshka | kevinbenton, I think we may see it in L or M for neutron | 21:23 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Wiegley proposed openstack/neutron: Add proposal-bot-esque job for updating child repo neutron pinning https://review.openstack.org/163062 | 21:24 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachyshka: ok | 21:24 |
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| ihrachyshka | kevinbenton, in kilo, we already killed ~18 modules, 13 more left though | 21:26 |
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| ihrachyshka | (well, it will be 11 once we consume oslo.log) | 21:27 |
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| openstackgerrit | Doug Wiegley proposed openstack/neutron: Add proposal-bot-esque job for updating child repo neutron pinning https://review.openstack.org/163062 | 21:35 |
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| kevinbenton | ihrachyshka: do you have the patch to neutron up to transition to oslo.log? | 21:39 |
| openstackgerrit | Assaf Muller proposed openstack/neutron: Add RPC test for DVR https://review.openstack.org/163201 | 21:39 |
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| ihrachyshka | kevinbenton, neutron *up*? | 21:39 |
| openstackgerrit | Assaf Muller proposed openstack/neutron: Add RPC test for metadata https://review.openstack.org/163204 | 21:40 |
| ihrachyshka | you mean migration patch for neutron repo? | 21:40 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachyshka: sorry, up on gerrit. i found it though | 21:40 |
| ihrachyshka | sure, https://review.openstack.org/159638 | 21:40 |
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| kevinbenton | ihrachyshka: so can we merge the requirements for oslo.log first so third party libs can start to assume it will be available? | 21:41 |
| ihrachyshka | kevinbenton, actually, third parties should *not* rely on neutron requirements | 21:42 |
| ihrachyshka | kevinbenton, I mentioned it at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/VendorSplitPackaging | 21:42 |
| ihrachyshka | specifically, https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/VendorSplitPackaging#Dependencies | 21:43 |
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| kevinbenton | ihrachyshka: why? i don't see any justification in there | 21:44 |
| ihrachyshka | kevinbenton, also, since 3party code currently relies on neutron.common.config import to register options and set up logging, it won't work in reverse order in any way | 21:44 |
| ihrachyshka | "The rationale behind it is that neutron may drop some of those dependencies later, and vendor libraries will become broken." | 21:44 |
| carl_baldwin | amuller: ping | 21:45 |
| amuller | carl_baldwin: yo | 21:45 |
| carl_baldwin | amuller: I have a vague memory of talking about DaemonMonitor with you. Were you thinking of moving it in to router_info? | 21:45 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachyshka: frankly it's a tradeoff though | 21:45 |
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| kevinbenton | ihrachyshka: i don't expect neutron to drop logging any time soone | 21:46 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachyshka: by assuming neutron will import olso.log, then a third party lib doesn't have to worry about maintaining a requirements file that is compatible with neutron | 21:46 |
| amuller | carl_baldwin: I remember talking about it, I don't remember why anymore though | 21:47 |
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| carl_baldwin | amuller: I’m trying to pick that area of the code apart today. Was wondering how far you got, if anywhere, beyond https://review.openstack.org/#/c/160608 | 21:47 |
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| ihrachyshka | kevinbenton, do we set automatic requirements updates for vendor libs? | 21:47 |
| carl_baldwin | amuller: If you don’t anything beyond that patch then I’ll just proceed. | 21:47 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachyshka: i don't know what you mean by that | 21:48 |
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| amuller | carl_baldwin: Oh I definitely did not work on the restructuring stuff beyond what you see in that patch. | 21:49 |
| amuller | carl_baldwin: However, check out this patch by Mike: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/153162/8 | 21:49 |
| ihrachyshka | kevinbenton, openstack/requirements updates are automatically synchronized to all projects mentioned in projects.txt file in the requirements repo, via openstack proposal bot. Do we plan to add vendor libs in projects.txt to get those updates? that would solve the issue of keeping compatible requirements | 21:49 |
| amuller | carl_baldwin: and also a patch of mine here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125384/31/neutron/agent/l3/ha.py | 21:49 |
| amuller | we both just pass the process_monitor from the agent to the router where needed | 21:49 |
| amuller | mostly because changing the RouterInfo.__init__ signature is a huge pain in the ass now | 21:50 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachyshka: oh, i'm not sure. but if we did do that, doesn't that just come back to the same question of why bother to have the vendor lib requirements at all? | 21:50 |
| carl_baldwin | amuller: ack | 21:50 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachyshka: if they are just a copy of what is in neutron? | 21:50 |
| openstackgerrit | Michael Smith proposed openstack/neutron: Fix non-existent self.local_subnets in DvrRouter class https://review.openstack.org/157621 | 21:50 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachyshka: i suppose the requirements bump would at least fail a CI check | 21:51 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachyshka: but is that all we are gaining? | 21:51 |
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| carl_baldwin | amuller: I wonder if we should just do it now (change __init__) anyway. It is either now or much later. | 21:52 |
| amuller | carl_baldwin: If you're up for it | 21:52 |
| amuller | the fwaas repo is still trying to recover from the last time we changed that signature | 21:53 |
| ihrachyshka | kevinbenton, well ok, maybe shortcut assuming neutron fetches the proper lib is justified in this particular case. | 21:53 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachyshka: i can see it's a tradeoff | 21:54 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachyshka: assuming the presence of libraries can be dangeroues | 21:54 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachyshka: but when something is as tightly integrated as a driver, requirements are far from the only thing that will break things | 21:55 |
| ihrachyshka | kevinbenton, so back to your suggestion to merge in sole requirements update. I don't follow how it would differ from vendors adding a temporary dependency for the sake of migration and killing it once they are sure neutron fetches it. Of course we could split the dependency addition, but I don't see how it helps significantly for vendor switch to oslo.log. | 21:55 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachyshka: change in one spot vs change in however many vendors | 21:55 |
| kevinbenton | O(1) vs O(n) :) | 21:56 |
| ihrachyshka | kevinbenton, ok, I'll split the patch now | 21:56 |
| ihrachyshka | if it helps you slightly, it's worth respin | 21:56 |
| amuller | marun: Pushed https://review.openstack.org/#/c/163201/1 which adds DVR RPC tests | 21:57 |
| amuller | armax: ^ | 21:57 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachyshka: thanks. let me know when it's up and I'll +2 | 21:57 |
| amuller | Also adds a pretty ugly way to make sure that cast messages are delivered | 21:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ihar Hrachyshka proposed openstack/neutron: Migrate to oslo.log https://review.openstack.org/159638 | 22:00 |
| openstackgerrit | Ihar Hrachyshka proposed openstack/neutron: Added oslo.log dependency https://review.openstack.org/163207 | 22:00 |
| ihrachyshka | kevinbenton, ^^ | 22:00 |
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| kevinbenton | ihrachyshka: thanks! | 22:04 |
| openstackgerrit | Zengfa Gao proposed openstack/python-neutronclient: Add Neutron subnetpool API https://review.openstack.org/159618 | 22:05 |
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| carl_baldwin | amuller: I could avoid it for now by creating an initialize like you did for ha and pass the process_monitor to it. | 22:11 |
| carl_baldwin | Is that too hacky? | 22:11 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron: policy: don't hack around oslo.config path search algorithm https://review.openstack.org/159862 | 22:12 |
| amuller | carl_baldwin: yes =D | 22:12 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron: tests: initialize policy in BaseTestCase https://review.openstack.org/159863 | 22:12 |
| carl_baldwin | amuller: You started it. :P | 22:12 |
| amuller | :) | 22:12 |
| amuller | I expect more from you than from me, it's human nature | 22:13 |
| carl_baldwin | Still thinking. Sometimes, when you’re stuck between a rock and a hard place... | 22:14 |
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| openstackgerrit | Assaf Muller proposed openstack/neutron: Add RPC test for DVR https://review.openstack.org/163201 | 22:31 |
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| itzikb | Hi, Anyone familiar with this issue https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1353165 ? | 23:16 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1353165 in neutron "Namespaces not removed when the last VM using a DVR is deleted" [Medium,Fix released] - Assigned to Stephen Ma (stephen-ma) | 23:16 |
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| openstackgerrit | Carl Baldwin proposed openstack/neutron: WIP Last-ditch effort to get the router stuff out of the agent https://review.openstack.org/163222 | 23:22 |
| carl_baldwin | amuller: ^ | 23:22 |
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