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| openstackgerrit | YAMAMOTO Takashi proposed openstack/neutron: OVS-agent: Introduce Ryu based OpenFlow driver https://review.openstack.org/153946 | 02:22 |
| openstackgerrit | YAMAMOTO Takashi proposed openstack/neutron: OVS-agent: Separate ovs-ofctl using code as a driver https://review.openstack.org/160245 | 02:22 |
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| stockpirate | status of my floating ip address and router gateway is down. is that normal? | 04:17 |
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| openstackgerrit | YAMAMOTO Takashi proposed openstack/neutron: OVS-agent: Introduce Ryu based OpenFlow driver https://review.openstack.org/153946 | 07:33 |
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| openstackgerrit | Gal Sagie proposed openstack/neutron: Remove DVR gw router SNAT redirect only if device exists https://review.openstack.org/168806 | 08:08 |
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| openstackgerrit | Gal Sagie proposed openstack/neutron: Remove DVR gw router SNAT redirect only if device exists https://review.openstack.org/168806 | 09:26 |
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| pradip_vedams | hi all | 09:31 |
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| pradip_vedams | i am just new for neutron can any one provide me any link which hel me to understand neutron services like Fwaas, LBaas and VPNaas. | 09:34 |
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| openstackgerrit | liusheng proposed openstack/python-neutronclient: Add sha1 convention of token for HTTPclient https://review.openstack.org/168834 | 09:46 |
| openstackgerrit | liusheng proposed openstack/python-neutronclient: Add sha1 convention of token for HTTPclient https://review.openstack.org/168834 | 09:48 |
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| openstackgerrit | Haining Zhang proposed openstack/neutron: Add log for metadata DB reset https://review.openstack.org/168821 | 09:49 |
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| Muntaner | good morning guys | 10:02 |
| Muntaner | i'd like to be able to reproduce the instantiation of openstack's routers in a script | 10:03 |
| Muntaner | without using neutron or nova | 10:03 |
| Muntaner | someone here told me that it is a namespace | 10:03 |
| Muntaner | can anybody give me more details? | 10:03 |
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| ajo | Muntaner, configure neutron, and set /etc/neutron/neutron.conf Debug=true | 10:12 |
| ajo | Muntaner, then capture all executions of neutron-l3-agent and neutron-openvswitch-agent logs | 10:12 |
| ajo | that shall give you an idea | 10:12 |
| garyk | mestery: you around - can you please look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/168687/ and the patch above | 10:15 |
| Muntaner | ajo, shall I reboot neutron services? can't see nothing interesting in logs | 10:17 |
| ajo | Muntaner, yes, any change to config needs a restart, in this case, the neutron-l3-agent and the neutron-openvswitch-agent | 10:17 |
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| ajo | debug=True | 10:18 |
| ajo | btw | 10:18 |
| ajo | not sure if it's case insensitive | 10:18 |
| Muntaner | ajo, it works | 10:20 |
| ajo | :D | 10:20 |
| Muntaner | where can I find the namespace stuff? I've got lot of logs there :) | 10:20 |
| ajo | search for 'ip', 'netns', | 10:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kevin Benton proposed openstack/neutron: Set floating IP port status to "N/A" https://review.openstack.org/122265 | 10:31 |
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| openstackgerrit | Pavel Bondar proposed openstack/neutron: Refactor db_base_plugin_v2.py to use new IPAM https://review.openstack.org/153236 | 12:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron: Remove unnecessary 'IN vs ==' sql query branches https://review.openstack.org/167521 | 12:21 |
| pc_m | amotoki: ping | 12:22 |
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| stockpirate | Hi i did reinstalled everything. following the juno doc for ubuntu 14.04 | 12:37 |
| stockpirate | still error | 12:37 |
| stockpirate | WARNING neutron.plugins.ml2.drivers.type_gre [req-b4fe469c-a769-4848-8b57-ed2f3c52c001 None] Gre endpoint with ip 10.55.0.23 already exists | 12:37 |
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| stockpirate | log from the controller. and service neutron-plugin-openvswitch-agent in compute will not start | 12:38 |
| stockpirate | no logs from the compute server | 12:38 |
| stockpirate | the tunnell is 10.55.0.23 on network node and 10.55.0.38 on compute node | 12:38 |
| stockpirate | i have no idea! | 12:38 |
| openstackgerrit | shihanzhang proposed openstack/neutron: Fix fdb entries can't be removed https://review.openstack.org/168802 | 12:38 |
| stockpirate | if some body could have a short look at my confs ffrom network node and compute node should be fine | 12:39 |
| stockpirate | and be very happy! | 12:39 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ihar Hrachyshka proposed openstack/neutron: Kill hostname validation for subnet:dns_nameservers https://review.openstack.org/168886 | 12:44 |
| stockpirate | http://paste.openstack.org/show/197534/ | 12:50 |
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| amotoki | pc_m: pong | 12:54 |
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| pc_m | amotoki: Can you review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/168169/, which is needed so that the neutron commit to remove the old class can be committed? | 12:58 |
| amotoki | pc_m: sure. | 12:58 |
| pc_m | amotoki: the neutron commit is https://review.openstack.org/161913 and needs the VPN and FW commits in first. | 12:59 |
| pc_m | amotoki: Thanks! | 12:59 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron-vpnaas: Use BaseSudoTestCase instead of BaseLinuxTestCase https://review.openstack.org/168169 | 14:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | Miguel Angel Ajo proposed openstack/neutron: Check ProcessMonitor running flag before checking processes https://review.openstack.org/168922 | 14:15 |
| ajo | amuller ^ | 14:15 |
| amuller | ajo: thanks | 14:15 |
| ZZelle | garyk, hi | 14:15 |
| ajo | amuller, np, thank you for pinging me about the issue | 14:16 |
| garyk | ZZelle: whats up? | 14:17 |
| openstackgerrit | Paul Michali proposed openstack/neutron-vpnaas: VPNaaS: Revise functional test hooks (WIP) https://review.openstack.org/168115 | 14:17 |
| ZZelle | garyk, if you have some times, i corrected a small error in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/161494/9..10/etc/neutron.conf | 14:17 |
| openstackgerrit | Robin Wang proposed openstack/neutron-specs: RST for: Agent Group and Pluggable Status Drivers https://review.openstack.org/168921 | 14:19 |
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| openstackgerrit | Andrew Boik proposed openstack/neutron: Allow only one IPv4 and one IPv6 fixed IP on router gateway port https://review.openstack.org/167784 | 14:32 |
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| mestery | amotoki: This one can merge now, see my comments at the end: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/168351/ | 14:41 |
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| openstackgerrit | Zengfa Gao proposed openstack/neutron: Add API tests for subnetpool allocation https://review.openstack.org/167611 | 14:42 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron-specs: Cleanup Kilo specs https://review.openstack.org/168351 | 14:53 |
| amotoki | mestery: thanks for clarification. mark already approved it. | 14:55 |
| mestery | amotoki: Yup, saw that, thanks for the review there! | 14:55 |
| mestery | amotoki: Sent email opening Liberty specs now as well, thanks for all your help! | 14:55 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron: Add tests for the l3 agent namespaces manager https://review.openstack.org/162491 | 15:03 |
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| Muntaner | hey gusy | 15:07 |
| Muntaner | guys* | 15:07 |
| Muntaner | just wanted to ask, how does neutron handle with namespaces when it instances a router? | 15:08 |
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| garyk | otherwiseguy: can you please take a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/168731 | 15:58 |
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| emagana | mestery: around? | 16:35 |
| openstackgerrit | Robin Wang proposed openstack/neutron-specs: RST for: Agent Group and Pluggable Status Drivers https://review.openstack.org/168921 | 16:36 |
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| enikanorov_ | emagana: hi! Are you taking care of this kind of bugs? https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-api-site/+bug/1418635 | 16:38 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1418635 in openstack-api-site "Neutron API reference is inconsistent and differs from implementation" [Undecided,New] | 16:38 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kyle Mestery proposed openstack/neutron: Update core reviewer responsibilities https://review.openstack.org/164208 | 16:39 |
| openstackgerrit | Kyle Mestery proposed openstack/neutron: Change from core reviewers to maintainers https://review.openstack.org/168995 | 16:39 |
| openstackgerrit | Robin Wang proposed openstack/neutron-specs: Agent Group and Pluggable Status Drivers https://review.openstack.org/168921 | 16:40 |
| mestery | emagana: yes, here | 16:40 |
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| emagana | mestery: This patch is not rc-1 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/145998/ is still fine to merge it? | 16:40 |
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| emagana | enikanorov_: No but I can take it | 16:41 |
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| mestery | emagana: Looks safe to me | 16:41 |
| mestery | emagana: Pointed at RC1 | 16:41 |
| emagana | mestery: Thanks! | 16:41 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Wiegley proposed openstack/neutron-specs: Split neutron-lib out of neutron https://review.openstack.org/154736 | 16:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Ihar Hrachyshka proposed openstack/neutron: Replace custom method call logger with oslo.log helper https://review.openstack.org/168999 | 16:43 |
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| emagana | enikanorov_: I just assigned it to me! | 16:48 |
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| enikanorov_ | emagana: thanks :) | 16:53 |
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| openstackgerrit | Carl Baldwin proposed openstack/neutron: Move final remnants of router processing to router classes https://review.openstack.org/163222 | 16:59 |
| carl_baldwin_ | amuller: ^ | 16:59 |
| carl_baldwin_ | amuller: Thanks for the feedback. Let me know if you want to discuss anything. | 16:59 |
| amuller | carl_baldwin_: Thanks I'll take a look later | 17:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sridhar Gaddam proposed openstack/neutron: Add sanity_check for keepalived ipv6 support https://review.openstack.org/168781 | 17:25 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron: Fix DBDuplicateError handling in _ensure_default_security_group https://review.openstack.org/165290 | 17:34 |
| openstackgerrit | Ryan Tidwell proposed openstack/neutron: Disallow subnetpool create when allow_overlapping_ips=False https://review.openstack.org/169019 | 17:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | Carl Baldwin proposed openstack/neutron: Implement default subnet pool configuration settings https://review.openstack.org/168098 | 17:38 |
| carl_baldwin_ | salv-orlando: Are you still around to discuss this ^ | 17:38 |
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| ZZelle_ | markmcclain, hi | 17:41 |
| openstackgerrit | Ryan Tidwell proposed openstack/neutron: Disallow subnetpool create when allow_overlapping_ips=False https://review.openstack.org/169019 | 17:42 |
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| Sukhdev | armax: Ping | 17:49 |
| armax | Sukhdev: pong | 17:50 |
| Sukhdev | armax: Are you going to make the L2-GW meeting today? | 17:50 |
| armax | yes | 17:50 |
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| Sukhdev | armax: Cool - thanks - I put together agenda quickly over the weekend. please have a look and feel free to update | 17:51 |
| armax | Sukhdev: ok, thanks | 17:51 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ryan Tidwell proposed openstack/neutron: Subnet allocation from a subnet pool https://review.openstack.org/157597 | 18:03 |
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| reed | hello folks | 19:15 |
| openstackgerrit | Maru Newby proposed openstack/neutron: Simplify retargetable test framework https://review.openstack.org/167075 | 19:16 |
| reed | marun, i see what you mean re:culture and the inevitability of things getting messy | 19:16 |
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| reed | I just wanted to add some context to the conversation because neutron doesn't operate in a vacuum and decisions taken at the project level, by developers, have effect on a bunch of other roles that may have something relevant to add | 19:17 |
| reed | the decision on the naming of the release is one recent example of something that looks trivial but has huge implications and ended up with a very complex process | 19:18 |
| marun | reed: I think the implication of the naming debacle is that doing anything that affects culture by committee is doomed to fail. | 19:19 |
| marun | reed: Regardless of the fact that, externally, L is called Liberty, there are many of us who will call it lemming because nobody can tell us not to. | 19:19 |
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| marun | reed: I think similar friction will result if the 'core' designation is officially required despite the community needing to change it. | 19:20 |
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| marun | reed: Rather than holding the line against inevitable cultural change, why not facilitate it? | 19:21 |
| reed | right, you can call it lime if you want but that doesn't mean that people will understand what you're talking about | 19:21 |
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| marun | reed: anybody that matters in this community will understand | 19:21 |
| reed | there are things that need to be communicated and in order to be understood, we have to use common language | 19:21 |
| mestery | marun reed: Notice I've broken the patch into two to now, one with the changes to the review team and one with the name change. | 19:21 |
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| marun | reed: for outsiders who play no active role in the community, I'm not sure I care what they think | 19:22 |
| marun | reed: that's your job | 19:22 |
| reed | marun, what do you mean by 'no active role'? | 19:22 |
| reed | watching openstack is an active role, IMO | 19:22 |
| marun | reed: knowing the culture of an individual project isn't required to use openstack | 19:22 |
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| reed | if a newcomer observes openstack and considers using it or contributing it, they need to be able to understand what the roles are | 19:23 |
| reed | oh, yes it is | 19:23 |
| openstackgerrit | Ryan Tidwell proposed openstack/neutron: Simple subnetpool allocation quotas https://review.openstack.org/165264 | 19:23 |
| reed | it's a bit long to explain so bear with me a minute: | 19:23 |
| marun | reed: and individual projects have documentation that explain those roles | 19:23 |
| marun | reed: hence our keeping them updated | 19:23 |
| marun | reed: we don't need a committee to enforce standardization to communicate culture | 19:24 |
| reed | let's imagine the role of someone in charge of software selection, an operator/user | 19:24 |
| reed | they have been tasked with looking at openstack and see if it fits with their requirements | 19:24 |
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| reed | they go to our website and among other things they need to evaluate the features *and* how well the project is managed | 19:25 |
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| marun | reed: Really? | 19:25 |
| reed | let's say that features are fairly easy, there are user docs | 19:25 |
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| marun | reed: I think it's problematic that anyone is equating process with product. | 19:25 |
| openstackgerrit | Paul Michali proposed openstack/neutron-vpnaas: VPNaaS: Revise functional test hooks (WIP) https://review.openstack.org/168115 | 19:25 |
| reed | marun, absolutely, governance is a *huge* portion of software quality assessment (check the links to the EU projects I shared lately) | 19:26 |
| reed | you wouldn't buy anything important from a store that is badly managed | 19:26 |
| marun | reed: how would I know? | 19:26 |
| marun | reed: how on earth is anyone going to evaluate the quality of a software project based on governance? | 19:26 |
| marun | reed: I mean, seriously? | 19:27 |
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| reed | marun, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-source_software_assessment_methodologies to get started | 19:27 |
| marun | reed: What kind of bureaucratic nightmare comes up with that kind of thing? | 19:27 |
| reed | it's a standard part of the evaluation matrix | 19:27 |
| reed | but we're drifting from the point I was trying to make | 19:27 |
| marun | reed: when you say 'evaluation matrix', I hear 'arbitrary grid of checkboxes' | 19:28 |
| marun | reed: We all know how well checkbox-driven development works in industry. | 19:28 |
| marun | reed: process or feature, it's the same nonsense | 19:28 |
| reed | marun, I don't know what to add to that: it is what it is | 19:28 |
| marun | reed: Neutron needs to be a quality piece of software supported by a mature and consistent development community. | 19:29 |
| reed | those processes are what are in use by industry and public procurement alike | 19:29 |
| marun | reed: I really don't care what kind of arbitrary nonsense you or anyone else wants to layer on top of that. | 19:29 |
| marun | reed: But I would appreciate it if you would take care not to get in the way of achieving those goals. | 19:29 |
| reed | so, moving on in my example, the "selector" needs to evaluate who contributes, how software development is managed | 19:29 |
| reed | you can't ask me not to state my opinions | 19:30 |
| reed | it's not fair | 19:30 |
| reed | I will share my opinions and you're free to ignore them :) | 19:30 |
| marun | I can ask you to consider the damage you're doing, unintentionally or no, in trying to define culture by committee. | 19:30 |
| reed | that's not what I'm advocating | 19:31 |
| marun | It kind of is, actually. | 19:31 |
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| marun | You're saying we can't evolve our culture without considering the larger context of that culture. | 19:31 |
| marun | I'm saying - there is no larger context we should be considering. | 19:31 |
| reed | I'm adding context to the decision you're making because I have the impression that you're considering neutron as operating in a vacuum | 19:31 |
| marun | We should have goals of outcome rather than process we have to follow to get there. | 19:31 |
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| marun | Our internal culture should have no bearing on the wider culture, except where it can provide a good (or bad) example for others. | 19:32 |
| reed | when you change names and processes you're influencing the life of many others and I think you're not giving that the appropriate weight | 19:32 |
| marun | This fixation on process over results is dangerous. | 19:32 |
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| marun | reed: Why does anyone outside of the project have weight? | 19:33 |
| marun | reed: Does France ask Germany's opinion on internal cultural affairs? | 19:33 |
| reed | little example: I have to explain to newcomers why nova acts one way and neutron is another way | 19:33 |
| marun | reed: and the answer is - we are different people | 19:33 |
| marun | we have different cultures | 19:33 |
| reed | and Biz Dev and marketing and the board and others have to do the same thing | 19:33 |
| marun | reed: just because you are dealing with people that are seemingly incapable of understanding the basis for culture, doesn't mean we should be limiting ourselves | 19:34 |
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| marun | reed: if that makes your job harder, I'm sorry, but that's not a good reason not to do it. | 19:34 |
| reed | I disagree that neutron is that much different but hey, if you convince all those affected by your decision then I'll be fine with it | 19:34 |
| marun | reed: We are planning on becoming very much different. | 19:35 |
| reed | marun, that's offensive: people are capable of understanding, given time... and time comes at a premium | 19:35 |
| marun | reed: offensive is enforcing cultural standards for the benefit of those that aren't part of the culture. | 19:35 |
| marun | reed: life is hard, and complex. | 19:35 |
| marun | reed: I think pretending otherwise is dangerous. | 19:35 |
| reed | and I'm not even complaining about my job getting harder, that's not an issue (life is hard and complex, I agree) | 19:35 |
| reed | as long as you are aware that this change has a lot more than just 'neutron and its culture', I'm fine | 19:36 |
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| reed | because neutron is part of a larger culture and environment | 19:37 |
| marun | reed: We're trying to evolve our culture to be more accountable and scalable. | 19:37 |
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| marun | i.e. better | 19:37 |
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| marun | reed: We can't do it if we're gated by the OpenStack status quo, because the very impetus for our actions is to address known failings in that status quo. | 19:38 |
| reed | I agree with the objective | 19:38 |
| reed | probably I should look at mestery's new patches, since the naming is now a separate issue | 19:38 |
| marun | reed: I think the biggest problem we face in governance in OpenStack is that we lack feedback loops. | 19:38 |
| marun | reed: We set policies in place and rarely consider how they are failing let alone address them systematically. | 19:39 |
| mestery | OpenStack is all about change, that's for sure. | 19:39 |
| mestery | I confess my patches simply update things to reflect reality though, other than the name change. | 19:39 |
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| marun | reed: The goal here is to start changing that. To not accept things simply because they are, but try new things, fail, and try again. | 19:40 |
| mestery | marun: ++!!! | 19:40 |
| reed | mestery, feedback I get from users and ecosystem is that too much change is hurting them :) | 19:40 |
| marun | reed: too much change in what sense? | 19:40 |
| openstackgerrit | Zengfa Gao proposed openstack/python-neutronclient: Add Neutron subnetpool API https://review.openstack.org/159618 | 19:40 |
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| marun | reed: feature churn, that's certainly an issue we're not addressing very well | 19:41 |
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| reed | marun, it'd lead off topic but suffice to say that the big tent is already too hard to communicate and confusing, and before that we had a lot of other changes that just confuse people | 19:41 |
| marun | reed: But cultural changes intended to improve our ability to deliver features to users? | 19:41 |
| mestery | reed: I think the big tent was a mistake, I'm on record as saying that | 19:42 |
| mestery | reed: That's a whole other issue | 19:42 |
| reed | marun, also on the technical aspects, features ... nova-net going, no staying, no we deprecate ... no we may keep it... | 19:42 |
| mestery | reed: See my post about openstack becoming liek opendaylight ... but I digress. | 19:42 |
| marun | reed: that doesn't have much to do with what we're discussing, though. | 19:42 |
| reed | right, it's easy to go off topic :) | 19:42 |
| mestery | :) | 19:42 |
| marun | reed: cultural changes will impact the community and should improve, over time if not right away, our ability to delivery quality and features. | 19:42 |
| reed | so, the reason why I chimed in on the neutron discussion is only to make you aware that any decision in change of governance inside neutron is going to affect other roles | 19:43 |
| reed | what seems to you like a small change is in fact a lot larger than you may think (at least my impression is that you're underestimating its impact on the wider community) | 19:43 |
| mestery | amuller: You had to say "product management" in that review didn't you? :P | 19:44 |
| * amuller *coughs* | 19:44 | |
| * mestery straps on the kevlar now in anticipation | 19:44 | |
| mestery | amuller: You owe me a beer I think ;) | 19:44 |
| reed | mestery, whether you like it or not, people are shipping products based on neutron | 19:44 |
| amuller | I'll buy you two if you show up to the Neutron get together :) | 19:44 |
| mestery | reed: That's not my point, though I'm aware of that :) | 19:45 |
| marun | reed: What on earth does our internal designation have to do with productization? | 19:45 |
| mestery | amuller: Yay! | 19:45 |
| reed | mestery, sorry, I see now that you were referring to amuller :) | 19:45 |
| mestery | reed: Yes :) | 19:45 |
| amuller | mestery: The truth is that the drivers / specs reviewer team is in a product management role even if we pretend they aren't | 19:45 |
| amuller | At least, they have final say after all of the different comapnies product managers and tech leads have their input... | 19:46 |
| mestery | amuller: To some extent that's true. I'd argue it's more yak shaving, but it's the same thing with a different term ultimately :) | 19:46 |
| reed | marun, neutron and its developers are part of a bigger picture, everything is connected | 19:46 |
| * reed speaks like a hollywood movie | 19:46 | |
| marun | reed: ummm | 19:46 |
| marun | reed: abstraction? separation of concerns? | 19:46 |
| marun | reed: these aren't just things to worry about in software | 19:46 |
| marun | reed: we can't solve problems if we don't break them down | 19:47 |
| reed | i agree with those statements marun | 19:47 |
| amuller | mestery: What are your thoughts on approving specs 6 months in advance and the specs team magical ability to gauge work loads that far in advance? I recall Ihar bringing this up once or twice recently... For example, how we're currently unable to approve specs when we're in the middle of the cycle, that sort of stuff | 19:48 |
| amuller | mestery: Are there any plans to re-evaluate this process? | 19:48 |
| marun | reed: I agree that there are wider implications of what we're proposing. | 19:48 |
| marun | reed: I don't think we should worry too much about them unless our efforts bear fruit, though. | 19:48 |
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| mestery | amuller: Yes! For example, someone like yourself who wants to propose something in Liberty-2 should be able to, because you've invested time and we should trust your abilities. | 19:48 |
| reed | good, I'm happy with that | 19:48 |
| marun | reed: We risk stifling something before it has a chance to evolve into a more useful form. | 19:48 |
| mestery | amuller: I want to evolve that process! That will be coming, I'm glad to see you thinking along the same lines! | 19:49 |
| reed | i'll read the new proposal by mestery and leave a comment there | 19:49 |
| marun | reed: sounds good | 19:49 |
| mestery | reed: thanks! | 19:50 |
| mestery | amuller: That was an example btw, but it serves the point that our current process was designed to ward off evil and may have inadvertendly stiffled some good | 19:50 |
| amuller | mestery: That's very good to hear | 19:50 |
| mestery | amuller: So lets evolve it a bit now and let people make progress again | 19:50 |
| mestery | amuller: As marun knows, I am all about trying to enact positive change and build a thriving community | 19:51 |
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| mestery | amuller: Your help is critical to this too, so I value your input! | 19:51 |
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| amuller | mestery: I'm glad you're open to change :) | 19:52 |
| amuller | marun and I had lengthy conversations about the current specs process | 19:52 |
| mestery | amuller: Marun and I have had similar discussions :) | 19:52 |
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| salv-orlando | mestery: I think the new process will be that every spec will be automatically approved unless it matches .*amuller.* ? | 20:01 |
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| mestery | salv-orlando: I think we could script that approval process! | 20:01 |
| amuller | salv-orlando: That is a very interesting proposal. I've given it significant thought and I think I'm gonna go ahead and respond with a: Hell no. | 20:02 |
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| mestery | lol | 20:03 |
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| mestery | dougwig: I think we finally got the shed painted while you were out. You're too late to propose a color now. :P | 20:22 |
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| dougwig | mestery: sweet. | 20:24 |
| dougwig | i'll go vote randomly now | 20:24 |
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| dmz | ahh a neutron specific channel | 20:32 |
| dmz | yeah! :) so anyone alive here using vlan networks and had problems w/dhcp/metadata traffic not transferring through ovs through to the agents? | 20:33 |
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| dougwig | dmz: did you put in the magic static route, and enable the dhcp agent to pass metadata? | 20:33 |
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| dmz | dougwig i enabled dhcp agent to pass it, and the problem is i see the dhcp request on the eth interface, but i don't see dhcp get into ovs or into the interface dhcp is running on it it's name space | 20:35 |
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| dougwig | dmz: i had troubles because i had tagged and untagged interfaces on the same NIC (eth0 and eth0.20 in ubuntu parlance), and that pissed off OVS, so i ended up adding the untagged interfaces directly into my ovs vlan bridge (and re-tagging). beyond that, it was vanilla tcpdump on each segment until I found the config error. | 20:37 |
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| dmz | dougwig, taht's exactly what i'm doing...ok let me move eth1.100 to eth0.100 and then give dedicated vlan interface to ovs | 20:38 |
| dougwig | you can also just add all the interfaces, e.g.: | 20:39 |
| dougwig | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/iZfTQxG6 | 20:39 |
| salv-orlando | mestery: is there space in today's agenda for the topic on core vs extensions brought up by amotoki? | 20:40 |
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| mestery | salv-orlando: I think amotoki already added it, hit reload :) | 20:41 |
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| salv-orlando | mestery: cool, can I just merge it with the topic on vlan transparency and mtu? | 20:43 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: I'm shifting things as we speak, hold on a second | 20:43 |
| salv-orlando | mestery: ok no worries, you're the master of the agenda | 20:43 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: Does it look ok now? | 20:43 |
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| salv-orlando | mestery: that's good thanks | 20:44 |
| mestery | thank salv-orlando ! | 20:44 |
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| dmz | what would cause my namepaces to lose configurations? I have a few dhcp instances that when i do an "ip netns exec dhcp-...." it doesn't show any interfaces other than lo | 20:46 |
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| dmz | dougwig the ovs conflict w/vlan eth1.100 tagged interface and regular eth1 device together was the problem | 20:50 |
| dmz | thanks!! i owe you a shot or beer if we ever run into each other :) | 20:50 |
| dougwig | ooh, i like beer. :) no worries, that gave me fits for several days. | 20:50 |
| dmz | yeah like a week here | 20:51 |
| dmz | you ever make it to any security conferences? | 20:51 |
| dmz | you in the us? | 20:51 |
| dougwig | not so far, and yes. | 20:51 |
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| dmz | dougwig if you ever make it to defcon ask around for hackbus && || dmz and i'll find you a good drink | 20:58 |
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| marun | HenryG, armax: would like to get this merged when you have a chance: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/167075 | 20:59 |
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| openstackgerrit | Maru Newby proposed openstack/neutron: Move API tests to neutron.test.api https://review.openstack.org/167320 | 20:59 |
| armax | marun: I was looking at the failure | 20:59 |
| marun | armax: ooh, didn't notice that | 21:00 |
| armax | marun: http://logs.openstack.org/75/167075/10/check/check-neutron-dsvm-functional/4db9415/console.html#_2015-03-30_19_29_50_606 | 21:00 |
| marun | armax: yikes, I guess we should start pinning now | 21:00 |
| marun | :/ | 21:01 |
| armax | marun: as in, we’re broken across the board? | 21:01 |
| marun | armax: correct | 21:01 |
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| marun | armax: they moved something the configure script depends on | 21:01 |
| armax | yup | 21:01 |
| armax | just noticed | 21:01 |
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| marun | *sigh* | 21:01 |
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| marun | armax: I'll file a bug | 21:05 |
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| dmz | anyone have a decent method to ensure all name spaces, daemons, agents are all running as expected? i've seen namespaces have issues and want to be sure we find issues before customers do :) | 21:12 |
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| absubram | marun: hi.. sorry I joined the room just as I caught the tail end of your comment.. were you and armax discussing the functional test failures? | 21:17 |
| armax | absubram: marun field a bug, see openstack-meeting channel for deatils | 21:18 |
| absubram | gotcha! ty :) | 21:18 |
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| absubram | it is to do with devstac/lib/neutron now changed to neutron-legacy? | 21:18 |
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| openstackgerrit | Maru Newby proposed openstack/neutron: Fix functional configure script https://review.openstack.org/169092 | 21:19 |
| marun | absubram: yes | 21:19 |
| marun | ^^ | 21:19 |
| absubram | ty! | 21:19 |
| marun | armax, mestery ^^ can we approve? I'll work on getting infra to prioritize | 21:20 |
| absubram | marun: ty for the fix.. just gave you my +1 which is all I can do :p | 21:20 |
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| openstackgerrit | John Belamaric proposed openstack/neutron-specs: Add IPAM blueprints to Liberty from Kilo backlog. https://review.openstack.org/169098 | 21:35 |
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| kevinbenton | marun, amuller: ping! | 21:57 |
| marun | kevinbenton: pon | 21:57 |
| amuller | yo | 21:57 |
| marun | g | 21:57 |
| kevinbenton | that's what happens when you don't use a thread-safe printing function :) | 21:58 |
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| kevinbenton | marun: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/157632/ | 21:58 |
| kevinbenton | a unit test won't cut it for that? | 21:58 |
| kevinbenton | it is a silly bug | 21:58 |
| kevinbenton | i would hope we don't ship it | 21:58 |
| amuller | agreed | 21:59 |
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| amuller | we don't have any test right now that even exercises the code | 21:59 |
| amuller | which is why a syntax error was merged | 21:59 |
| marun | kevinbenton: I was asking a question, I wasn't saying it was required for merge | 21:59 |
| kevinbenton | marun: i wrote a unit test for it that uses your suggested method of double-entry accounting | 21:59 |
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| kevinbenton | marun: because i accidentally tried to fix it when i came across it as well | 21:59 |
| amuller | we don't have a framework in place for OVS functional tests | 22:00 |
| kevinbenton | marun: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/167744/4/neutron/tests/unit/openvswitch/test_ovs_dvr_neutron_agent.py | 22:00 |
| kevinbenton | marun: all my test does is ensures the setup functions were called | 22:00 |
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| kevinbenton | marun: not great | 22:00 |
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| kevinbenton | marun: but something | 22:00 |
| kevinbenton | marun: let me know if there is a better test we can do | 22:01 |
| kevinbenton | marun: is there a functional test that sets up OVS with DVR? | 22:02 |
| amuller | kevinbenton: no | 22:02 |
| amuller | no functional tests for OVS at all | 22:02 |
| kevinbenton | amuller: :( | 22:03 |
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| amuller | kevinbenton: Marios was working on them a while ago, and the DHCP functional tests too | 22:03 |
| amuller | someone should really pick those up :) | 22:03 |
| amuller | kevinbenton: Can you close the bug you opened and point your patch to the bug I opened? I'll abandon my patch in return :) | 22:06 |
| amuller | kevinbenton: the bug assignee should fix itself | 22:07 |
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| openstackgerrit | Zengfa Gao proposed openstack/python-neutronclient: Add Neutron subnetpool API https://review.openstack.org/159618 | 22:08 |
| kevinbenton | amuller: i will amend your patch with my UT and abandon | 22:08 |
| amuller | kevinbenton: that'd work too | 22:09 |
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| openstackgerrit | Zengfa Gao proposed openstack/python-neutronclient: Add Neutron subnet-create with subnetpool https://review.openstack.org/165910 | 22:11 |
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| openstackgerrit | Maru Newby proposed openstack/neutron: Move API tests to neutron.test.api https://review.openstack.org/167320 | 22:12 |
| openstackgerrit | Kevin Benton proposed openstack/neutron: Fix reference to non-existent setup_dvr_flows_on_integ_tun_br https://review.openstack.org/157632 | 22:14 |
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| amuller | kevinbenton: just -1'd the patch | 22:18 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kevin Benton proposed openstack/neutron: Fix reference to non-existent setup_dvr_flows_on_integ_tun_br https://review.openstack.org/157632 | 22:20 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kevin Benton proposed openstack/neutron: Fix reference to non-existent setup_dvr_flows_on_integ_tun_br https://review.openstack.org/157632 | 22:28 |
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| openstackgerrit | Maru Newby proposed openstack/neutron: Move API tests to neutron.test.api https://review.openstack.org/167320 | 22:36 |
| openstackgerrit | Maru Newby proposed openstack/neutron: Simplify retargetable test framework https://review.openstack.org/167075 | 22:36 |
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| armax | mtreinish: ping | 22:43 |
| mtreinish | armax: pong | 22:43 |
| armax | mtreinish: I was wondering if I could pick your brains on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/165246/ | 22:43 |
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| armax | I am wondering if we should revise that testcase and perhaps carve one that does validate centralized routers vs one that validates dvr ones…I wondered what your thoughts were on the matter, and whether you’d really want to see the iterations happen in Neutron rather than in Tempest at all | 22:45 |
| mtreinish | armax: umm maybe, that looks a bit messy.. :) | 22:45 |
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| mtreinish | armax: I actually don't mind doing it in tempest, if it makes it more robust for different configs | 22:46 |
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| armax | mtreinish: so you’d be in favor of splitting the test case so that we can validate explicitely the logic for a centralized router | 22:46 |
| armax | and the dvr router separately? | 22:46 |
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| armax | when dealing with the agent extension? | 22:46 |
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| mtreinish | armax: yeah I think that might be the cleanest path forward, make it explicit on the type of router being used | 22:49 |
| armax | mtreinish: ok, sounds good | 22:49 |
| mtreinish | and we can either subclass or duplicate for the dvr cases | 22:49 |
| mtreinish | if needed | 22:49 |
| armax | mtreinish: ok, I’ll sync up with the patch author to get this resolved | 22:50 |
| armax | mtreinish: now that I have your attention, I wonder if I can get to you look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98235/ | 22:50 |
| armax | :D | 22:50 |
| mtreinish | heh, I see what you did there :) | 22:50 |
| armax | mtreinish: that was really genuine though, I swear! | 22:51 |
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| mtreinish | armax: +A | 22:53 |
| armax | mtreinish: obregado | 22:54 |
| armax | *obrigado | 22:54 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron: Fix functional configure script https://review.openstack.org/169092 | 23:33 |
| HenryG | OK everyone rebase | 23:34 |
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| marun | armax, HenryG :( | 23:47 |
| marun | http://logs.openstack.org/75/167075/11/check/check-neutron-dsvm-functional/57d817f/console.html | 23:47 |
| armax | oopsie | 23:47 |
| marun | it looks like we've encountered a flaw in our testing strategy | 23:47 |
| marun | options that should only be registered by out-of-process scripts are being executed in the same process and configuration errors are resulting | 23:48 |
| marun | the problem appears to be order-of-execution dependent, since we don't see it every time | 23:48 |
| marun | presumably testr is randomly assigning tests and if the tests that register the same opts get assigned to the same worker, kablooie | 23:49 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron: Move final remnants of router processing to router classes https://review.openstack.org/163222 | 23:49 |
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| marun | -1 for this stupid global configuration | 23:49 |
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| amuller | marun: wouldn't running the functional tests with -- --concurrency=1 fail 100% of the time then? | 23:50 |
| marun | amuller: You tell me? | 23:50 |
| amuller | dunno my VPN is failing to connect atm :) | 23:50 |
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| kevinbenton | amuller: wouldn't it be the opposite? | 23:51 |
| kevinbenton | amuller: if no tests are running at the same time, they would all pass, right? | 23:51 |
| amuller | kevinbenton: but with multiple workers, concurrent tests are running in separate processes so you shouldn't get the already registered error | 23:52 |
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| amuller | actually I don't understand how we're getting that error | 23:52 |
| amuller | marun: Can you explain? | 23:52 |
| marun | amuller: explain what? | 23:52 |
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| kevinbenton | it sounds like tests are expecting configuration values set by other tests. marun is that right? | 23:52 |
| marun | kevinbenton: the reverse, I think | 23:52 |
| amuller | marun: how can you get this error oslo_config.cfg.ArgsAlreadyParsedError: arguments already parsed: cannot register CLI option | 23:53 |
| marun | kevinbenton: options are being registered once by one test, and tehn subsequently by another test | 23:53 |
| amuller | marun: that can only happen if you get consecutive tests in the same process | 23:53 |
| kevinbenton | marun: oh, but aren't these completely separate processes like amuller said? | 23:53 |
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| amuller | kevinbenton: so that's why I said this would happen with fewer workers, like 1 | 23:53 |
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| amuller | I think if you have a single worker, the same process is used for each test | 23:54 |
| amuller | in a serial fashion but it's still the same process being re-used | 23:54 |
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| amuller | (otherwise I have no idea how you can get this error) | 23:54 |
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| marun | amuller: I know a way to prevent this error | 23:57 |
| marun | amuller: we should ensure option registration is idempotent | 23:57 |
| kevinbenton | marun: it sounds to me like tests are forgetting to reset the config | 23:57 |
| amuller | marun: I think oslo config is pretty hell bent on this approach | 23:57 |
| marun | kevinbenton: Forgetting? | 23:57 |
| amuller | of yelling when an option is registered again | 23:57 |
| marun | oslo.config is braindead | 23:58 |
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| kevinbenton | marun: config.reset() is in one of the base cleanups | 23:58 |
| amuller | marun: hmm we can delete the global cfg.CONF object when we finish a test | 23:58 |
| marun | kevinbenton: iirc reset() only clears overrides | 23:58 |
| amuller | so we need a bigger hammer than reset then :) | 23:58 |
| kevinbenton | marun: well unit tests are doing something to avoid this | 23:59 |
| kevinbenton | marun: otherwise we would hit the same problem there | 23:59 |
| marun | kevinbenton: why would unit tests by registering conf for scripts? | 23:59 |
| amuller | kevinbenton: functional and unit tests have the same base class that does all of this setup | 23:59 |
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