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| openstackgerrit | Armando Migliaccio proposed openstack/neutron: Add API tests for Neutron DVR extension https://review.openstack.org/167357 | 00:50 |
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| armax | HenryG: ping | 01:10 |
| armax | I am going to looooose your +2 :'( | 01:10 |
| HenryG | armax: I have a bad full of them | 01:11 |
| HenryG | bag | 01:11 |
| armax | pep8 brainfart | 01:11 |
| openstackgerrit | Armando Migliaccio proposed openstack/neutron: Move orphaned api test - deux https://review.openstack.org/169962 | 01:11 |
| HenryG | armax: restored | 01:12 |
| armax | too kind | 01:12 |
| HenryG | armax: there shouldn't be any more of these slipping into the wrong place, right? | 01:13 |
| armax | HenryG: not that I am aware of, I’ll sync up with marun to figure out a way to prevent this | 01:13 |
| HenryG | Maru's copy script copies to the new location | 01:13 |
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| armax | ya | 01:14 |
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| HenryG | So it must have been something that snuck in before the script was updated | 01:14 |
| armax | I don’t think there’s any other change in flight | 01:14 |
| armax | HenryG: I think so | 01:14 |
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| armax | the merge times were very close | 01:14 |
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| HenryG | armax: When is your DVR api test patch coming to neutron? | 01:18 |
| armax | HenryG: I just rebased it | 01:18 |
| openstackgerrit | shihanzhang proposed openstack/neutron: Add index for port https://review.openstack.org/169641 | 01:19 |
| * HenryG is blind | 01:19 | |
| HenryG | armax: I see it, thanks | 01:19 |
| armax | HenryG: that makes the two of us | 01:19 |
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| HenryG | armax: I pulled another one out of my bag for you | 01:22 |
| armax | HenryG: wow, I shall call you Santa Henry | 01:22 |
| * armax feels like it’s Christmax | 01:22 | |
| HenryG | It was already well reviewed in tempest | 01:23 |
| HenryG | armax: what about https://review.openstack.org/113455 ? | 01:24 |
| armax | HenryG: at this point we need to see how many of these tests we want to pull in Neutron | 01:24 |
| armax | HenryG: perhaps we could afford little safety net in Tempest and have the most in Neutron | 01:25 |
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| armax | HenryG: to be honest, DVR breakages have hardly been at the API level | 01:25 |
| armax | HenryG: but it would be useful to have these run on a continuous basis | 01:25 |
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| HenryG | Are we currently still running both the tempest and neutron api tests? | 01:26 |
| armax | HenryG: yes | 01:26 |
| armax | I’ll circle back with the authors to see what they wanna do | 01:26 |
| HenryG | OK. No rush then IMO. | 01:27 |
| armax | these tests need to be polished regardless of where they land | 01:27 |
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| HenryG | armax: How are you feeling about the L3/*aaS notifications switching to callbacks in Kilo? | 01:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron: Add missing neutron/tests/unit/agent/common/__init__.py https://review.openstack.org/169916 | 02:23 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron: Fix error raising in security groups method https://review.openstack.org/124070 | 02:24 |
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| HenryG | hanzhang: ping | 03:07 |
| hanzhang | ? | 03:07 |
| HenryG | hanzhang: Can you show me the graph for the indexed ports? | 03:07 |
| hanzhang | how to show you | 03:08 |
| HenryG | good question | 03:08 |
| hanzhang | now I don't where to paste it | 03:08 |
| hanzhang | now I don't know where to paste it | 03:08 |
| HenryG | What format is it? | 03:09 |
| hanzhang | jpg | 03:09 |
| hanzhang | If you agree, I can send it to you via email | 03:10 |
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| HenryG | hanzhang: sure, my email is in gerrit | 03:10 |
| hanzhang | ok | 03:10 |
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| HenryG | What is the source for generating the jpg? | 03:11 |
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| HenryG | The reason I ask is we should be able to put some before/after numbers in the commit msg. | 03:11 |
| HenryG | and in the bug | 03:11 |
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| HenryG | Did you try to attach the jpg to the bug in launchpad? | 03:12 |
| hanzhang | what's your id in gerrit or lp | 03:12 |
| HenryG | gessau | 03:12 |
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| crc32 | \I have to import modules in a certain order does any one know how I can do this when that order conflicts with pep8 import ordering? | 03:30 |
| crc32 | Example I have to load a config module before I import the module that uses it later on. | 03:30 |
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| crc32 | .msg rm_work adam so I ran into the feared "import order matters even when it conflicts with our pep8 alphabetical ordering" borkage. How do I resolve this? | 03:32 |
| rm_work | sup | 03:32 |
| crc32 | from octavia.common import config | 03:32 |
| crc32 | from octavia.api.v1.handlers.queue import producer | 03:32 |
| crc32 | Wors but breaks pep8 | 03:32 |
| rm_work | try adding " # noqa" | 03:33 |
| rm_work | on the end of the line | 03:33 |
| rm_work | that would violate it | 03:33 |
| rm_work | that keeps pylint from complaining about unused imports, not sure if it will work for flake8 too | 03:33 |
| openstackgerrit | Dane LeBlanc proposed openstack/neutron: IPv6 SLAAC subnet create should update ports on net https://review.openstack.org/160622 | 03:34 |
| crc32 | it still compleains. | 03:34 |
| crc32 | ./octavia/tests/unit/api/v1/handlers/queue/test_producer.py:32:1: H306 imports not in alphabetical order (octavia.common.config, octavia.api.v1.handlers.queue.producer) | 03:34 |
| gus | rm_work: for pylint, you need to add "pylint: disable=$name_of_check" | 03:35 |
| rm_work | gus: well, # noqa | 03:35 |
| rm_work | work | 03:35 |
| rm_work | *works | 03:35 |
| gus | (in a comment - can be right after "noqa") | 03:35 |
| rm_work | err | 03:35 |
| rm_work | i have never had to do that, just "# noqa" has done it fo rme | 03:35 |
| rm_work | interesting | 03:35 |
| crc32 | so how do resolve the alphabetical order borkage? | 03:36 |
| rm_work | let me check | 03:36 |
| gus | rm_work: I have no explanation for why noqa would work for pylint :-/ (assuming pylint was actually raising a warning otherwise) | 03:38 |
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| rm_work | hmm | 03:38 |
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| rm_work | what does "# noqa" do just by itself? | 03:38 |
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| crc32 | are you asking me rm_work? | 03:41 |
| rm_work | crc32: was hoping gus knew | 03:42 |
| rm_work | i am testing some ideas locally | 03:42 |
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| crc32 | if only api came after common | 03:43 |
| rm_work | heh | 03:44 |
| gus | rm_work: oh sorry, I hadn't realised that was directed at me. I don't _think_ noqa does anything on a line by itself. | 03:45 |
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| rm_work | i have only ever seen it by itself :/ | 03:45 |
| gus | pylint has a concept of scoped disables, but I didn't think hacking did | 03:45 |
| rm_work | yeah looks like hacking does not | 03:45 |
| gus | oh, I mean a line matching /^# noqa$/ | 03:45 |
| rm_work | there must be a known solution | 03:45 |
| rm_work | gus: ah | 03:45 |
| openstackgerrit | Armando Migliaccio proposed openstack/neutron: Move orphaned api test - deux https://review.openstack.org/169962 | 03:45 |
| rm_work | gus: i mean, by itself on the end of a line | 03:46 |
| gus | I think noqa only works to disable pep8 alerts for whatever preceeds it on the same line. | 03:46 |
| rm_work | yeah | 03:46 |
| rm_work | that was my thought | 03:46 |
| gus | so "foo # noqa" disables pep8 alerts for "foo" | 03:46 |
| rm_work | right, which i thought usually also included pylint checks (like for unused-import) | 03:46 |
| gus | ah! | 03:47 |
| gus | no, pep8 is a totally separate tool to pylint | 03:47 |
| gus | even though they both get run through the same "pep8" tox venv now. | 03:47 |
| gus | I should be using "flake8" instead of "pep8" above to talk about the check itself. | 03:48 |
| gus | pep8 is the name of the tox venv, and the policy document from which many of the formatting checks are derived. | 03:48 |
| rm_work | right, i thought it worked for both | 03:49 |
| rm_work | I am familiar with flake8 / pylint | 03:49 |
| gus | oh, and apparently there is also a tool called pep8 that gets invoked by flake8 | 03:49 |
| openstackgerrit | ZongKai LI proposed openstack/neutron: rm misuse method _get_host_port_if_changed https://review.openstack.org/155317 | 03:49 |
| rm_work | yes :P it's a funny little mess | 03:49 |
| rm_work | AH ok | 03:49 |
| rm_work | my confusion was that apparently 'unused-import' is a pep8 thing not a pylint check | 03:50 |
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| gus | it is also a pylint check, but the pylint unused-import is disabled (in neutron/.pylintrc) | 03:51 |
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| rm_work | ah, duplicated check | 03:52 |
| gus | our action-at-a-distance coding "style" made it too noisy. I have a change somewhere that adds enough disable= lines and enables it, but then it adds ~no value over the pep8 equivalent check. | 03:52 |
| gus | (so I most likely won't send that change for review) | 03:53 |
| rm_work | yeah, so i have no idea how to disable the check for out-of-order imports | 03:54 |
| rm_work | well, i know a way to sidestep it... | 03:54 |
| rm_work | crc32: you can take all the OTHER imports that are now out of order because of the one line, and move them to a 4th import section (after the rest) | 03:55 |
| rm_work | hacking doesn't check the 4th import group at all | 03:55 |
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| crc32 | I don't have a 3rd section. | 03:57 |
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| rm_work | well shit. | 03:57 |
| crc32 | no system level imports. So no way to make a fourth | 03:57 |
| gus | alternatively do the import yourself with foo = __import__(bar) or similar | 03:57 |
| gus | (yuck) | 03:57 |
| rm_work | bleh | 03:58 |
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| Nav_ | Need help regarding external network setup juno | 04:01 |
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| Nav_ | Will someone able to help me in this regard | 04:02 |
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| mspreitz | Is anybody awake here? | 04:07 |
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| mspreitz | Does anybody here know about IPv6 support in Neutron? | 04:09 |
| mspreitz | Can Neutron do NAT between IPv4 and IPv6? | 04:09 |
| mspreitz | For example, associate an IPv6 floating IP address with an IPv4 private address? | 04:10 |
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| gus | mspreitz: not afaik, but I'm not overly familiar with that part. | 04:13 |
| mspreitz | gus: thanks for responding, at least | 04:13 |
| crc32 | pretty ugly but its working I guess | 04:13 |
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| mspreitz | crc32: ? what are you talking about ? | 04:14 |
| gus | mspreitz: (earlier conversation about import ordering and python linters) | 04:14 |
| mspreitz | thanks | 04:15 |
| mspreitz | let me try a simple IPv4/6 question: can I have both IPv4 and IPv6 subnets on the same network? | 04:15 |
| crc32 | I was responding to rm_work about pep8 errors and import errors | 04:15 |
| gus | mspreitz: yes. | 04:15 |
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| mspreitz | Good start, thanks. | 04:16 |
| mspreitz | If I have both IPv4 and IPv6 subnets on a network and I attach a router to the network, does the router get both an IPv4 and and IPv6 address? | 04:17 |
| rm_work | crc32: yeah, but there MUST be a way to deal with this… refuse to believe it hasn't come up before | 04:17 |
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| openstackgerrit | YAMAMOTO Takashi proposed openstack/neutron: Functional tests for OVS-agent OpenFlow drivers https://review.openstack.org/164584 | 04:29 |
| openstackgerrit | YAMAMOTO Takashi proposed openstack/neutron: OVS-agent: Introduce Ryu based OpenFlow driver https://review.openstack.org/153946 | 04:29 |
| openstackgerrit | YAMAMOTO Takashi proposed openstack/neutron: OVS-agent: Separate ovs-ofctl using code as a driver https://review.openstack.org/160245 | 04:29 |
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| openstackgerrit | veena proposed openstack/python-neutronclient: Replace underscore with hyphen in CLI options related to Cisco networkprofile. https://review.openstack.org/170016 | 06:24 |
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| hanzhang | hi all, who can help review this patch:https://review.openstack.org/#/c/151501/ | 06:51 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron: Update .coveragerc after the removal of Cisco Nexus monolithic plugin https://review.openstack.org/169138 | 07:17 |
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| nuritv | Hi, i am looking for reviewer for fix https://review.openstack.org/#/c/162648/. would appreciate if you could take a look | 07:19 |
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| hanzhang | hi all, who can help review this patch:https://review.openstack.org/#/c/151501 | 07:42 |
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| sc68cal | hanzhang: commented | 08:05 |
| hanzhang | sc68cal: thanks, looking | 08:05 |
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| quanlong | how to make a unit test in neutron | 08:43 |
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| quanlong | who can answer to me | 08:50 |
| jschwarz | quanlong, what kind of unit test do you wish to write? | 08:51 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sudipta Biswas proposed openstack/neutron: Treat all negative quota values as -1 https://review.openstack.org/170061 | 09:47 |
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| openstackgerrit | Cedric Brandily proposed openstack/neutron: Adds base in-tree functional testing of the dhcp agent (OVS) https://review.openstack.org/136834 | 11:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron: Allow metadata proxy to log with nobody user/group https://review.openstack.org/161494 | 11:39 |
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| openstackgerrit | Cedric Brandily proposed openstack/neutron: Adds base in-tree functional testing of the dhcp agent (OVS) https://review.openstack.org/136834 | 11:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | shihanzhang proposed openstack/neutron: Add index for port https://review.openstack.org/169641 | 12:01 |
| openstackgerrit | John Schwarz proposed openstack/neutron: Add full-stack test https://review.openstack.org/123000 | 12:03 |
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| jschwarz | ZZelle__, please have a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/123000/41/neutron/tests/common/net_helpers.py | 12:03 |
| jschwarz | :) | 12:03 |
| ZZelle__ | jschwarz, super.__init__ is not required | 12:04 |
| jschwarz | ok | 12:05 |
| jschwarz | anything else? | 12:05 |
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| openstackgerrit | John Schwarz proposed openstack/neutron: Add full-stack test https://review.openstack.org/123000 | 12:07 |
| jschwarz | ZZelle__, ^^ | 12:08 |
| ZZelle__ | jschwarz, i am looking to other files ... but why do you need to change bridge prefix? | 12:08 |
| jschwarz | for debug purposes | 12:08 |
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| jschwarz | I assume developers will run the framework on their machines and there's the possibilities of multiple (5ish) bridges per test.... | 12:09 |
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| ZZelle__ | jschwarz, my main concern is when fixtures are setUp | 12:19 |
| jschwarz | ZZelle__, ack, thanks for the review | 12:19 |
| jschwarz | L:) | 12:19 |
| jschwarz | :) | 12:19 |
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| ZZelle__ | jschwarz, other remarks are nit (according to my understanding) | 12:20 |
| jschwarz | ZZelle__, the main problem I'm having is supporting easy inheritence but not restricting the API too much | 12:22 |
| jschwarz | it seems harder than it looks ;-) | 12:23 |
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| ZZelle__ | jschwarz, of what? | 12:25 |
| jschwarz | of the environment | 12:25 |
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| jschwarz | ZZelle__, the idea is that users can write their own tests with their own environment (so use 4 daemons and not 2, for example) | 12:25 |
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| jschwarz | yet there are stuff that must be done in some order (first create the DB, then start the processes, then wait until they are all up) | 12:26 |
| jschwarz | and the processes must be started in a specific order as well (first neutron-server, then other agents) so it's tricky | 12:26 |
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| ZZelle__ | jschwarz, first providing environment on __init__ instead of setUp has no impact | 12:30 |
| jschwarz | ZZelle__, I agree | 12:30 |
| jschwarz | ZZelle__, no objections there :) | 12:30 |
| ZZelle__ | jschwarz, but indeed changing where the environment setUp is done can break everything | 12:30 |
| ZZelle__ | jschwarz, it's not really elegant but you can provide environment_class instead of the environment | 12:32 |
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| jschwarz | ZZelle__, marun will never like that ;-) | 12:33 |
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| jschwarz | since it will enforce a specific API on the user... I tend to agree | 12:33 |
| ZZelle__ | jschwarz, for sure, why create_db_tables() is not part of environment setUp? | 12:34 |
| ZZelle__ | jschwarz, it would allow to remove BaseFullStackTestCase and solves setUp order? | 12:35 |
| jschwarz | ZZelle__, it's possible to do that, but it will just move the dependency from BaseFulLStackTestCase to the environment fixture | 12:36 |
| jschwarz | the order, etc, will still have to be preserved - just someplace else | 12:36 |
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| ZZelle__ | jschwarz, yes, but it will be done in EnvironmentFixture! so no more trouble between environmentFixture setUp and db creation? | 12:37 |
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| jschwarz | ZZelle__, it might not look like so, but then the order of creation will be enforced on the setUp() | 12:38 |
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| jschwarz | ie. setUp will have to be called before doing anything else in order to create the DB, and only then the user will be able to define processes | 12:38 |
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| jschwarz | moving it there just bundles them together to make a more difficult understanding | 12:39 |
| jschwarz | IMO | 12:39 |
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| ZZelle__ | jschwarz, i see 2 approachs: | 12:41 |
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| ZZelle__ | * define a EnvironmentDBFixture setting up the db and current EnvironmentFixture inherits from it | 12:41 |
| ZZelle__ | * define a DBFixture and current EnvironmentFixture requires it on __init__ | 12:42 |
| jschwarz | ZZelle__, the second won't fly with Maru (for API reasons) but the second could | 12:43 |
| jschwarz | sorry, the first could | 12:43 |
| jschwarz | but the entire fullstack design is generally less inheritence and more composition | 12:44 |
| jschwarz | ZZelle__, I'm actually fine with the current implementation... :) | 12:44 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron: Move orphaned api test - deux https://review.openstack.org/169962 | 12:44 |
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| ZZelle__ | jschwarz, an other remark, could we deduce agents_count? | 12:46 |
| jschwarz | ZZelle__, not easily | 12:47 |
| jschwarz | ZZelle__, previous implementations suggested passing 'agent_fixtures' to the environment (and then len(agents) would give agents_count) | 12:48 |
| jschwarz | but... | 12:48 |
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| ZZelle__ | jschwarz, YAGNI? | 12:51 |
| niobos | Hi, I know this is not a support channel, but I've been sent here from #openstack to ask anyway | 12:51 |
| jschwarz | ZZelle__, what am I not gonna need? | 12:52 |
| niobos | I'm struggling to get connectivity to my instance. From my own debugging, and the help of SamYaple, I believe the problem is in the interworking between neutron & openvswitch | 12:52 |
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| niobos | The most remarkable symptom to me is that no GRE-tunnels are created between my nova node and my neutron node | 12:53 |
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| niobos | and that the controller claims that "Gre endpoint with [] already exists" | 12:53 |
| niobos | I've put a collection of outputs up online already: http://niobos.dest-unreach.be/os/ | 12:54 |
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| niobos | let me know if you need/want more | 12:54 |
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| mestery | ZZelle__: This patch of yours has now failed twice the same way: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/165115/ | 13:16 |
| ZZelle__ | mestery, i see that and i don't understand why | 13:16 |
| mestery | ZZelle__: Me either, it's very strange | 13:17 |
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| ZZelle__ | pc_m, hi | 13:23 |
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| pc_m | ZZelle__: hi | 13:23 |
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| ZZelle__ | pc_m, i got twice the same error with check-tempest-dsvm-neutron-pg(-full) | 13:25 |
| ZZelle__ | pc_m, it seems to be related to LBaaS but i don't understand how my change can affect LBaaS behavior (http://logs.openstack.org/15/165115/13/check/check-tempest-dsvm-neutron-pg-full/9ea9751/console.html) | 13:25 |
| ZZelle__ | pc_m, could you have a look as i am really not fluent with LBaaS | 13:26 |
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| pc_m | ZZelle__: Me neither. I'll peek at it, but I don't know much able LBaaS. Doug would probably be best. | 13:27 |
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| pc_m | much about | 13:27 |
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| pc_m | mestery: Can you help getting core reviews of 164466 and 165226? Would be nice to get them in and reduce the duplicate callback mechanism introduced. | 13:29 |
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| niobos | I've (also) posted my question on ask.openstack.org: https://ask.openstack.org/en/question/64436/neutron-does-not-configure-openvswitch-correctly-no-gre-tunnels/ | 13:52 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ed Bak proposed openstack/neutron: Return from check_ports_exist_on_l3agent if no subnet found https://review.openstack.org/154289 | 14:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | Cedric Brandily proposed openstack/neutron: Allow metadata proxy running with nobody user/group https://review.openstack.org/165115 | 14:49 |
| openstackgerrit | Jiaqiang Liu proposed openstack/neutron-specs: implements: blueprint e2e-wan-as-a-service https://review.openstack.org/155364 | 14:49 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron: Treat all negative quota values as -1 https://review.openstack.org/170061 | 14:53 |
| jschwarz | ZZelle, hello again | 14:55 |
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| ZZelle | jschwarz, yep | 14:56 |
| jschwarz | ZZelle, I think we might have a bug in neutron/tests/common/base.py | 14:56 |
| jschwarz | the part with the max_length being passed to get_rand_name | 14:56 |
| jschwarz | 15 is too big for ovs bridge names so it makes my fullstack tests act all funny and fuzzy | 14:57 |
| jschwarz | setting it hard-coded to 13 fixes all problems :< | 14:57 |
| ZZelle | jschwarz, seem strange as master use it (OVSBridgeFixture) | 14:57 |
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| jschwarz | ZZelle, so I'm gonna see if it fixes stuff on my patch at the gate and if it does I'll look into a proper reasoning and submit a patch for it | 14:57 |
| ZZelle | jschwarz, ok | 14:58 |
| jschwarz | ZZelle, that's exactly the fixture I'm trying to use - and it fails on me | 14:58 |
| jschwarz | sec, I'll get you some logs | 14:58 |
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| openstackgerrit | Assaf Muller proposed openstack/neutron: Fix docstring for l3_dvr_db.dvr_vmarp_table_update https://review.openstack.org/170158 | 14:58 |
| jschwarz | ZZelle, http://logs.openstack.org/00/123000/42/check/check-neutron-dsvm-functional/fea4340/logs/neutron-openvswitch-agent--2015-04-02--140551.txt.gz#_2015-04-02_14_05_52_770 | 14:59 |
| jschwarz | wait, that doesn't make sense - those are exactly 15 chars long | 14:59 |
| ZZelle | jschwarz, i remember reviewing the associated change and it's the expected behavior | 15:00 |
| openstackgerrit | Assaf Muller proposed openstack/neutron: Fix docstring for l3_dvr_db.dvr_vmarp_table_update https://review.openstack.org/170158 | 15:00 |
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| ZZelle | jschwarz, when physnet name is too long, ovs agent "md5" interface name | 15:01 |
| jschwarz | ZZelle, oh, yay | 15:01 |
| ZZelle | jschwarz, tables are not created? | 15:02 |
| jschwarz | yes | 15:02 |
| jschwarz | (they are not created) | 15:02 |
| ZZelle | jschwarz, that's expected? | 15:02 |
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| jschwarz | nope | 15:02 |
| jschwarz | well even with 13 it truncates | 15:03 |
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| jschwarz | but then the l3 agent doesn't complain, nor does the ovs agent | 15:03 |
| jschwarz | so who cares? :) | 15:03 |
| openstackgerrit | Rossella Sblendido proposed openstack/neutron-specs: Move l2 restructure blueprint to Liberty https://review.openstack.org/170159 | 15:03 |
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| jschwarz | ZZelle, http://openvswitch.org/pipermail/discuss/2012-February/006488.html | 15:04 |
| openstackgerrit | Henry Gessau proposed openstack/neutron: Allow unit tests to be run independently https://review.openstack.org/169789 | 15:04 |
| jschwarz | ZZelle, so I think we better decrease that number to 13 in a separate patch anyway | 15:04 |
| openstackgerrit | Rossella Sblendido proposed openstack/neutron-specs: Move l2 agent restructure blueprint to Liberty https://review.openstack.org/170159 | 15:04 |
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| ZZelle | jschwarz, according to the message list, the limit is 15 not 13 | 15:08 |
| jschwarz | yeah | 15:08 |
| jschwarz | I found the "real" bug | 15:08 |
| jschwarz | neutron/tests/base.py:: get_rand_name() returns a new name with a maximum length of X | 15:09 |
| jschwarz | but it might be far less because of the random function there | 15:09 |
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| jschwarz | Basically I draw a random name with get_rand_name() and suppose I get a name of length 14 - when I pass it along to the OVSBridgeFixture, create_resource runs another get_rand_name which adds random suffix | 15:10 |
| jschwarz | amuller, ZZelle & | 15:10 |
| jschwarz | ^ | 15:10 |
| amuller | ouch | 15:10 |
| jschwarz | yep | 15:11 |
| ZZelle | finally, it allows always a question of length | 15:11 |
| jschwarz | so I'm inclined into changing it into being an "actual length" and not "max length" | 15:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | Andrew Boik proposed openstack/neutron: Allow only one IPv4 and one IPv6 fixed IP on router gateway port https://review.openstack.org/167784 | 15:14 |
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| armax | mtreinish: ping | 15:30 |
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| mtreinish | armax: pong | 15:31 |
| mtreinish | your l3 agent patch? | 15:31 |
| armax | yes, I got it up | 15:31 |
| armax | mtreinish: for your pleasure: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/169895/ | 15:31 |
| armax | :) | 15:31 |
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| armax | I am trying to clear a way for a Neutron RC1 bug | 15:32 |
| armax | fix | 15:32 |
| armax | amuller: ping | 15:32 |
| amuller | armax: yo | 15:32 |
| mtreinish | armax: ok, I'll try to take a look shortly | 15:32 |
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| armax | mtreinish: thanks, appreciated | 15:32 |
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| armax | mtreinish: that one also simplified the next in the line https://review.openstack.org/#/c/165246/ | 15:33 |
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| armax | amuller: did you have a chance to look at my comments on the arp-related DVR bug? | 15:33 |
| amuller | armax: I don't know if it's a regression, I was hoping people more familiar with DVR would knew if that scenario ever worked | 15:34 |
| armax | It had | 15:34 |
| amuller | And I don't know / not sure if it's a duplicate, or it's a related manner | 15:34 |
| armax | I found that perhaps it’s a duplicate | 15:34 |
| amuller | it's certainly very similar and related | 15:34 |
| amuller | don't know if it's the same issue / will be fixed by the same fix | 15:34 |
| openstackgerrit | Zengfa Gao proposed openstack/python-neutronclient: Add Neutron subnetpool API https://review.openstack.org/159618 | 15:35 |
| amuller | armax: Again I was hoping DVR folks would be able to know that | 15:35 |
| armax | amuller: well, I am telling you now! | 15:35 |
| amuller | I'm just acting in a lowly bug reporter status here :) | 15:35 |
| amuller | armax: I think the only way to verify that scenario is manually currently | 15:36 |
| amuller | or an in-tree full stack DVR test if that ever happens | 15:36 |
| armax | amuller: it’ll happen | 15:36 |
| amuller | armax: jschwarz is currently working on enhancing the full-stack testing framework | 15:37 |
| amuller | adding support for agents | 15:37 |
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| armax | amuller: one step at the time and we’ll get there | 15:37 |
| amuller | armax: then we need to re-enable the ability to run multiple L3 agents on the same machine | 15:37 |
| amuller | and then we should be able to start writing DVR tests | 15:37 |
| armax | amuller: was that disabled? | 15:37 |
| amuller | armax: kind of, with the L3 namespaces management rewrite | 15:38 |
| amuller | we'll need to take another look | 15:38 |
| armax | amuller: ok | 15:38 |
| armax | amuller: anyhow we’ll keep you posted re bug #1411883 | 15:38 |
| openstack | bug 1411883 in neutron "DVR qrouters are not created when VMs are added after the router-interface is added to the router" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1411883 - Assigned to ZongKai LI (lzklibj) | 15:38 |
| amuller | armax: that really has to be fixed before Kilo GA =/ | 15:39 |
| armax | amuller: agreed | 15:39 |
| armax | amuller: you no longer have access to the repro environment? | 15:39 |
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| amuller | armax: it's still up | 15:39 |
| armax | amuller: I wonder if you backed out to I9a9683058088e50d9443040223232bf5e1396ccf if it would be enough for us to confirm that is indeed the same issue | 15:40 |
| armax | I mean I9a9683058088e50d9443040223232bf5e1396ccf ^1 | 15:40 |
| amuller | armax: kind of a pain to do that often, there's DB changes | 15:41 |
| openstackgerrit | John Schwarz proposed openstack/neutron: get_rand_name should return the same length string https://review.openstack.org/170179 | 15:41 |
| jschwarz | amuller, ZZelle, ^ | 15:41 |
| armax | amuller: true | 15:41 |
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| openstackgerrit | Cedric Brandily proposed openstack/neutron: Allow metadata proxy running with nobody user/group https://review.openstack.org/165115 | 15:42 |
| armax | amuller: so perhaps pullin https://review.openstack.org/#/c/149143 or https://review.openstack.org/#/c/155317/ might be enough to see whether the issue goes away | 15:42 |
| armax | amuller: but if your role is lowly bug reporter, leave it | 15:43 |
| armax | :) | 15:43 |
| amuller | armax: yeah yeah | 15:43 |
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| amuller | just busy right now :( | 15:43 |
| armax | amuller: no worries | 15:44 |
| armax | amuller: just throwing some ideas out there | 15:44 |
| amuller | armax: Can you enlist someone from HP QA? | 15:44 |
| armax | indeed | 15:45 |
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| armax | but I hope that at some point we’ll get to much enough mindshare that more folks in the community can and are willing to take care of these issues | 15:45 |
| amuller | armax: I'm getting there | 15:46 |
| armax | amuller: we’ll get there | 15:46 |
| amuller | armax: slowly | 15:46 |
| amuller | trying to properly learn this beast you call DVR | 15:46 |
| armax | amuller: agreed…hopefully multihost is not far along | 15:46 |
| amuller | that's why I'm making this noise | 15:46 |
| armax | amuller: yes, between DVR and HA last cycle there was no negligible amount of complexity thrown over the fence | 15:46 |
| armax | no noise | 15:46 |
| armax | it’s useful stuff | 15:46 |
| * armax needs time for some more coffee | 15:47 | |
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| openstackgerrit | John Schwarz proposed openstack/neutron: get_rand_name should return the same length string https://review.openstack.org/170179 | 15:52 |
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| openstackgerrit | Timothy Swanson proposed openstack/neutron: Move network MTU from core REST API to extension API https://review.openstack.org/169406 | 15:54 |
| openstackgerrit | Jiaqiang Liu proposed openstack/neutron-specs: Implements : Blueprint user-centric-naas https://review.openstack.org/169207 | 15:55 |
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| pc_m | armax: ping | 16:26 |
| armax | pc_m: pong | 16:27 |
| pc_m | armax: Can you look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/165226/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/164466/? | 16:27 |
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| armax | they are on my backlog | 16:27 |
| pc_m | armax: Former was updated based on comments, latter was rebased. | 16:27 |
| pc_m | armax: Thanks! | 16:27 |
| armax | pc_m: this looks like it’s still in conflict: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/164466/ | 16:28 |
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| armax | pc_m: can we tag all the related patches with the same tag? | 16:29 |
| pc_m | armax: OK. I'll rebase yet again. It keeps passing jenkins and then later fails merge. | 16:29 |
| pc_m | armax: Sure will do. | 16:29 |
| armax | pc_m: also, have you got the one that closes the bug up yet? | 16:29 |
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| pc_m | Yes, it had a typo and I'm getting it ready to push up (issue because it depends on 164466, which keeps getting rebased). | 16:30 |
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| pc_m | armax: Do I just need to change the topic in gerrit? | 16:32 |
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| pc_m | Anyone see an issue where PEP8 fails, but show no error messages, other than says "Symlinks are not allowed!" after misc-sanity-checks.sh? I have one VM where this happens. | 16:39 |
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| pc_m | I found it. misc-sanity-checks.sh checks for symlinks and I had a file with a link (unrelated to the repo). | 16:44 |
| openstackgerrit | Paul Michali proposed openstack/neutron: Refactoring of L3 agent notifications for router https://review.openstack.org/164466 | 16:44 |
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| johnbelamaric | mestery: ping | 16:48 |
| mestery | johnbelamaric: pong | 16:48 |
| johnbelamaric | mestery: hi. not sure what the process is for selecting the mid-cycle location, but wanted to let you know Infoblox is willing to host at our Annapolis, MD office (or in Santa Clara but then I have to travel :) ) | 16:49 |
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| mestery | johnbelamaric: Thanks! I have a place all lined up now, hoping to announce soon, but I will keep you in mind for the next one! Having a list of locations is great, much appreciated! | 16:49 |
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| johnbelamaric | mestery: no problem - though December wouldn't be the best time to have it here! Maybe the one after | 16:50 |
| mestery | johnbelamaric: :) | 16:50 |
| mestery | johnbelamaric: Now lets see how fast we can move on the pluggable IPAM for Liberty! Spec should be approved now, once the branch opens we can go go go! :) | 16:51 |
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| johnbelamaric | mestery: yes! really want to hit L-1 | 16:51 |
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| openstackgerrit | Cedric Brandily proposed openstack/neutron: Allow metadata proxy running with nobody user/group https://review.openstack.org/165115 | 18:37 |
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| mestery | HenryG: I don't think this one (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/156360) can merge in Kilo at this point, I may -1/-2 it, is that ok? /cc carl_baldwin | 18:51 |
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| mestery | HenryG: This was one of the patches not needed for the original LP BP, so maybe we should also file a bug for it and mark it Liberty-1 | 18:51 |
| mestery | HenryG: Sound ok? | 18:51 |
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| mestery | carl_baldwin: ^^^^ | 18:52 |
| mestery | Also, commented in the review itself | 18:52 |
| salv-orlando | aloha... in openstack-qa it was reported today an IPset issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1439817 | 18:52 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1439817 in neutron "IP set full error in kernel log" [Undecided,New] | 18:52 |
| salv-orlando | I created a bug for it. | 18:52 |
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| salv-orlando | Note that it shows up only with a job that runs in the exp queue - so we are probably completely unaware of this issue. | 18:53 |
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| mestery | salv-orlando: Thanks for pointing this out! Is it a Kilo-RC issue do you think? | 18:53 |
| salv-orlando | I think we'll need to get our ipsets friend on it, and triage it because there is a chance this is somehting that might occur in production | 18:53 |
| salv-orlando | mestery: for RC inclusion we need an assigneed | 18:53 |
| salv-orlando | if we can find a SME that might lead to a quicker fix | 18:53 |
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| mestery | salv-orlando: Yikes, I think ajo is our ipset expert, and he's out until Sunday night. :( | 18:54 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: Who else knows the ipset code? | 18:54 |
| salv-orlando | shinazhang? | 18:54 |
| salv-orlando | can't remember his IRC handle | 18:54 |
| HenryG | mestery: Sounds ok. Slightly sadface :/. But we should get it in very early in L. | 18:54 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: Me either :( | 18:54 |
| mestery | HenryG: carl_baldwin was looking at it and had some concers I believe he'll express in the review. If you can convince carl_baldwin on it, then come back and lets see :) | 18:55 |
| HenryG | mestery: salv-orlando: hanzhang ? | 18:55 |
| HenryG | mestery: ok, hadn't heard from carl_baldwin yet | 18:55 |
| salv-orlando | HenryG: I do not know if it's the same person but it's worth trying | 18:55 |
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| carl_baldwin | HenryG: I don’t see anything too bad in it yet. Still trying to finish up the review. I’ll ping you when I finish. | 18:56 |
| HenryG | carl_baldwin: Please if there is anything risky then call it out. I don't want to shoehorn destablizing code in at this point. | 18:56 |
| salv-orlando | hanzhang: ping... but only if you're the one who implemented ipsets support in neutron... otherwise please ignore the ping and apologies for any incovenience | 18:57 |
| carl_baldwin | HenryG: Well, so far I’ve got a comment about a potentially misleading commit message and some style things. But, I’m not done yet. :) | 18:57 |
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| HenryG | carl_baldwin: Your time and feedback is greatly appreciated | 18:58 |
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| HenryG | salv-orlando: https://review.openstack.org/111877 and IRC nick from https://launchpad.net/~shihanzhang | 19:04 |
| HenryG | Although I suspect it is night time in his TZ | 19:05 |
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| HenryG | I am waiting for him to post a follow-up to https://review.openstack.org/169641 | 19:06 |
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| haleyb | salv-orlando: i'm aware of the ipset issue as well, seen by a customer of ours, i can pick it up and at least supply a quick hack as a starting point | 19:09 |
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| marun | dougwig, mestery, armax: this - http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-April/060458.html | 19:29 |
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| mestery | marun: I saw that. To be honest, that thread has been mostly yak shaving to me. | 19:30 |
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| mestery | marun: What do you think? | 19:30 |
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| marun | I find it entirely remarkable that he seems to believe that a PTL elected by the undifferentiated mass of contributors should be ultimately responsible for deciding who makes all the decisions in the project. | 19:31 |
| marun | mestery: It entirely contradicts everything that I and everyone I've talked to has experienced with respect to the cultural dynamics of open source. | 19:32 |
| mestery | marun; that to me was something new as well | 19:32 |
| mestery | marun: I'm not sure where he got that idea either, do you? | 19:32 |
| marun | mestery: No idea | 19:33 |
| mestery | marun: Luckily we don't run Neutron like that at all :) | 19:33 |
| marun | mestery: but the fact that he lays claim to no small amount of authority in our community is profoundly disturbing to me. | 19:33 |
| marun | mestery: If this isn't a good example of someone being completely out of their depth, I don't know what is. | 19:33 |
| mestery | marun: Do you know of a project where the PTL just annoints new core reviewers without a vote? I'm not aware of one. | 19:34 |
| mestery | Maybe they exist though | 19:34 |
| marun | mestery: I can't imagine that they'd be particularly healthy. | 19:34 |
| mestery | Agreed | 19:34 |
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| mspreitz | Does anybody here know whether Neutron can give me an IPv6 floating IP address bound to an IPv4 private address? | 19:36 |
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| haleyb | mspreitz: the quick answer is no. The long answer is there is no plan for FIPv6, and there is no support for NAT64, just plain-old IPv6 | 19:38 |
| armax | marun: looking | 19:38 |
| mspreitz | haleyb: You mean Neutron can not even give me an IPv6 floating IP bound to an IPv6 private IP? | 19:39 |
| armax | marun, mestery: yes I have blue blood | 19:40 |
| armax | didn’t you know that | 19:40 |
| armax | ? | 19:40 |
| marun | heh | 19:40 |
| mestery | lol | 19:40 |
| haleyb | mspreitz: there is no concept of Floating IPv6 - instances don't need them as their IPv6 address should be either a global or ULA that is routable, so no need for FIPv6 | 19:41 |
| mspreitz | haleyb: "ULA" ? | 19:41 |
| armax | as such I am gonna sit back, drink wine, eat grapes and wait for peasants to bring me my wealth | 19:41 |
| armax | bye | 19:41 |
| mestery | lol | 19:42 |
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| haleyb | mspreitz: Unique Local Address - basically a randomly-generated prefix that can be used for a private network that isn't routable, similar to RFC1918 space | 19:43 |
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| mspreitz | haleyb: you mean the FD... addresses, right? | 19:43 |
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| mspreitz | The whole point of the FC00::/7 addresses is that they are not globally routed. So we would need NAT for them. | 19:45 |
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| haleyb | mspreitz: yes, specified in RFC 4193. Noone wanted to propogate NAT into this | 19:45 |
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| mspreitz | haleyb: you mean NAT for the ULA addresses makes sense but nobody wanted to do the work to make Neutron support that. Have I got that right? | 19:46 |
| haleyb | mspreitz: well, ULA's could be used for testing, or to limit the scope of a prefix to your private network. If you want to get to the Internet you'd need a global. | 19:46 |
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| haleyb | mspreitz: no, we don't want NAT, we want people to use Global addresses for Internet communications | 19:47 |
| mspreitz | haleyb: I am not claiming that ULA requires NAT, only that in some scenarios NAT is a resaonble thing to do. | 19:47 |
| haleyb | right, it would require NAT66 at some boundary, but for Neutron we really wanted to avoid that | 19:48 |
| mspreitz | As an operator, if I want to support customers that create applications that use IPv6 but expose only a dynamic subset of their addresses to the public, I need to offer my customer either ULA with dynamic NAT or global IPv6 addresses with dynamic filtering of traffic. | 19:48 |
| dougwig | marun, mestery, armax - that thread really feels like 1 part talking around each other and 2 parts religion. | 19:49 |
| marun | dougwig: unproductive, in other words | 19:50 |
| amuller | it's a bunch of nonsense yeah | 19:50 |
| mestery | Completely unproductive | 19:50 |
| haleyb | mspreitz: you can do both - they can assign their own ULA for private communications, and use an admin-defined Global for wider communications - both can be configured on the VM at the same time | 19:50 |
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| marun | dougwig: this experience has reinforced by belief that these kinds of issues have no place being decided outside of the culture they affect | 19:50 |
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| marun | dougwig: we're not going to achieve any kind of worthwhile consensus among such a disparate group of stakeholders | 19:51 |
| mestery | marun: I think it also reinforces that trying to build a culture top down in a project of this size doesn't work. | 19:51 |
| marun | mestery: agreed | 19:51 |
| mestery | marun: OpenStakc is really a bunch of tiny projects, it's not a huge big project. | 19:51 |
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| mestery | marun: top down culture doesn't work in something of this scale anymore | 19:51 |
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| marun | mestery: at least, not in open source-land | 19:52 |
| dougwig | and the futility of saying your a meritocracy where everyone is equal. i'm not even sure where to begin with that dogma. level playing field to get started, of course. | 19:52 |
| mestery | marun: Even in clsoed source land, or hell, government! | 19:52 |
| dougwig | /your/you're/ | 19:52 |
| mestery | POLITICS! RUN! | 19:52 |
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| marun | heh | 19:52 |
| marun | dougwig: yeah, accepting reality is the first step towards working towards a solution. | 19:52 |
| mestery | marun dougwig: ++ | 19:52 |
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| mestery | That's why I was so surprised at the pushback to my patch ... which was reflecting reality. :) | 19:53 |
| marun | dougwig: and for someone that doesn't have the first clue of the problems facing a project like Neutron, I don't hold out hope that they're going to come up with a solution. | 19:53 |
| marun | grammar my bad | 19:53 |
| dougwig | marun: but, but, more cores and be like nova-net. bam, we're done. next issue? | 19:53 |
| marun | heh | 19:54 |
| marun | rephrase: cultural change comes only from within | 19:54 |
| mspreitz | haleyb: good point. Could I offer my customer the option to use IPv4 for private comm and global IPv6 for public comm? I mean through one network interface per Compute Instance? | 19:54 |
| dougwig | i'm not even convinced that the *neutron community* has a good handle on scaling ourselves, so yeah, i'm agreeing with you. | 19:54 |
| mestery | dougwig: We're trying to scale ourselves at least. Will it work? Lets hope. But at least we're trying. | 19:55 |
| dougwig | armax: did we decide to merge the l3 refactor stuff after all? i stopped reviewing those after the last IRC conversation, but i see a lot of activity. | 19:55 |
| dougwig | mestery: agree. | 19:55 |
| armax | dougwig: if I don’t, pc_m will continue to harass me until we do :) | 19:56 |
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| armax | dougwig: so I figured I am gonna get it over with | 19:56 |
| dougwig | my point was that it's hard enough to identify the root causes and get consensus within this team of people with a common interest. i'm agreeing with marun that popping up the stack makes it even harder. | 19:56 |
| armax | dougwig: jokes aside, it seems the bug has been targeted for RC1 | 19:56 |
| mestery | lol | 19:56 |
| mestery | dougwig maun: ++ | 19:56 |
| dougwig | armax: ok, i'll put them back on radar. | 19:56 |
| haleyb | mspreitz: i don't see why not, assuming they only want to use IPv6 for public comm | 19:57 |
| armax | dougwig: it’s mestery’s fault | 19:57 |
| mestery | lol | 19:57 |
| dougwig | that's the beauty of being the boss. we can blame him for everything. | 19:57 |
| marun | heh | 19:57 |
| armax | he put it on rc1 two days ago…I am just a machine and process orders as they are submitted | 19:57 |
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| armax | dougwig: a blue blood machine though | 19:58 |
| openstackgerrit | Paul Michali proposed openstack/neutron: Refactoring cleanup for L3 agent callbacks https://review.openstack.org/169876 | 19:58 |
| mestery | Look, pc_m was bugging me too! :) | 19:58 |
| mspreitz | haleyb: so I can put both IPv4 and IPv6 subnets on the same network, and my Compute Instance can configure both an IPv and an IPv6 subnet on its one network interface, right? | 19:58 |
| mestery | And, if we can do it, perhaps the refactoring makes some sense after all. | 19:58 |
| armax | i’d be ok with blaming pc_m | 19:58 |
| mestery | armax: Especially since pc_m isn't here right now apparently :) | 19:58 |
| mspreitz | I slipped my language a bit, I mean my customers, not me | 19:58 |
| pc_m | mestery: I am, but busy | 19:59 |
| mestery | pc_m: lol, no worries, just discussing your L3 patches :) | 19:59 |
| haleyb | mspreitz: with the latest Kilo code, yes | 19:59 |
| mspreitz | haleyb: Oh, I am running Juno | 19:59 |
| dougwig | mestery, marun - reading between the lines of that thread, though, it sounds like as long as we don't touch the sacred cows of naming, we can implement what we need. | 19:59 |
| mspreitz | haleyb: How much work would it be to back-port what I need? | 20:00 |
| mestery | dougwig: Seems like it, yeah | 20:01 |
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| haleyb | mspreitz: with all the re-factoring done in Kilo I would guess it's not possible. Using a provider network might be the only solution - where your VMs are basically on a "production" network | 20:01 |
| mspreitz | (I am carefully saying Compute Instance, I am not agreeing that they are VMs.) | 20:03 |
| mspreitz | haleyb: thanks for the info. | 20:03 |
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| haleyb | mspreitz: np. Sean Collins would be the other person to ask (sc68cal) as he's leads the IPv6 sub-team | 20:04 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kevin Benton proposed openstack/neutron: Make L3 agent honor periodic_interval setting https://review.openstack.org/147710 | 20:07 |
| marun | dougwig: :/ probably accurate | 20:07 |
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| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/neutron: Always run dnsmasq as root https://review.openstack.org/161567 | 20:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | Andrew Boik proposed openstack/neutron: Allow only one IPv4 and one IPv6 fixed IP on router gateway port https://review.openstack.org/167784 | 20:16 |
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| openstackgerrit | Cedric Brandily proposed openstack/neutron: Adds base in-tree functional testing of the dhcp agent (OVS) https://review.openstack.org/136834 | 20:22 |
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| openstackgerrit | Cedric Brandily proposed openstack/neutron: Adds base in-tree functional testing of the dhcp agent (OVS) https://review.openstack.org/136834 | 20:28 |
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| kevinbenton | salv-orlando: ping | 20:32 |
| openstackgerrit | Zengfa Gao proposed openstack/neutron: Add API tests for subnet-create with subnetpool https://review.openstack.org/170208 | 20:33 |
| kevinbenton | ? | 20:33 |
| ZZelle_ | mestery, hi | 20:34 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron: Refactoring of L3 agent notifications for router https://review.openstack.org/164466 | 20:35 |
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| ChuckC | kevinbenton: salv-orlando: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/169908/ requests the honor of your attention | 20:39 |
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| ChuckC | specifically to resolve armax's question around whether we need the shim | 20:39 |
| openstackgerrit | Vikram Hosakote proposed openstack/python-neutronclient: 'neutron port-create' missing help info for --binding:vnic-type https://review.openstack.org/169443 | 20:39 |
| kevinbenton | ChuckC: yeah, i see his point | 20:41 |
| ChuckC | mestery: ^^ | 20:41 |
| kevinbenton | ChuckC: other stuff has merged like the ability to specify a fixed IP for a router gateway interface | 20:42 |
| kevinbenton | ChuckC: without adding another extension as a way to detect capabilities | 20:42 |
| ChuckC | kevinbenton: I'm kind of ambivalent about it. Others have wanted ways for applications to detect all api changes. | 20:43 |
| ChuckC | kevinbenton: from the discussion in Monday's meeting, it looked like an agreement to use shim extensions for all api changes. | 20:44 |
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| kevinbenton | ChuckC: right. ultimately it would be much nicer to not require so much boilerplate for simple capabilities like this | 20:45 |
| kevinbenton | ChuckC: but for now i can see the need | 20:45 |
| kevinbenton | ChuckC: and it does make the API a little nicer to use | 20:45 |
| ChuckC | kevinbenton: I had a brief chat with mestery and he suggested proposing it, but probably to have this discussion | 20:46 |
| ChuckC | kevinbenton: I agree with all your points | 20:46 |
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| ChuckC | kevinbenton: please register your opinion in the review | 20:48 |
| kevinbenton | ChuckC: just did | 20:48 |
| kevinbenton | armax: are you around? | 20:48 |
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| ChuckC | kevinbenton: grazie | 20:49 |
| kevinbenton | armax: did you have any major concerns with having the shim? | 20:49 |
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| armax | kevinbenton: no major concern | 20:50 |
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| kevinbenton | armax: will you hold a grudge against me if i approve it? | 20:50 |
| armax | kevinbenton: I only think that for a preexisting attribute it doesn’t feel like it’s worth the hassle | 20:51 |
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| armax | we flipped allow_post, or allow_put in the past | 20:51 |
| ChuckC | kevinbenton: I can't protect you | 20:51 |
| armax | and we didn’t blink an eye, so to speak | 20:51 |
| armax | so frankly this shim looks unnecessary | 20:51 |
| armax | especially because other plugins will still be able to update the mac | 20:52 |
| armax | and won’t have the extension shown | 20:52 |
| armax | so the more I think about it the more I throw up | 20:52 |
| armax | if you want to approve it, go ahead…I already have a huge grudge against you :) | 20:52 |
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| kevinbenton | yeah, but isn't the same thing true of other extensions? | 20:52 |
| kevinbenton | or will the API layer actually block the call? | 20:53 |
| armax | true, but it’s a very fuzzy line | 20:53 |
| amuller | aren't extensions so that different plugins could implement different portions of the API? If this is for all plugins / at the API layer, and you're changing a post or put, then why do we need an extension | 20:53 |
| amuller | and as Armando said we changed post/puts True/False in the past without new extensions | 20:53 |
| armax | the api is such a mess that one more shim is not gonna make it prettier or uglier | 20:53 |
| armax | I really appreciate ChuckC’s zealousness | 20:54 |
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| kevinbenton | amuller: i know, but it's not great for people programming against the API | 20:54 |
| ChuckC | ho hum | 20:54 |
| armax | but I honestly don’t think that having the shim there is gonna buys us anything | 20:54 |
| armax | when looking at the core vs extension discussion | 20:54 |
| kevinbenton | i suppose in this case the caller has to be able to tolerate update failures anyway... | 20:55 |
| amuller | kevinbenton: but would an extension help? Fact is you're changing the API in a non backwards compatible way anyway | 20:55 |
| armax | updateatable mac wasn’t something I would have listed in the things to be shimmed | 20:55 |
| amuller | kevinbenton: this is for updatable MAC addresses? | 20:55 |
| armax | amuller: yes | 20:55 |
| kevinbenton | amuller: an extension lets someone know they can try | 20:55 |
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| armax | vlan, mtu, and subnetpool are new stuff | 20:55 |
| amuller | if it was blocked earlier and now it isn't, then that's not really an issue? | 20:55 |
| armax | even it the shim sucks | 20:55 |
| armax | it makes this suck less | 20:55 |
| amuller | if you were changing it in the other direction that's something else | 20:55 |
| kevinbenton | amuller: except it isn't supported by all plugins | 20:56 |
| amuller | oh | 20:56 |
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| ChuckC | amuller: non backwards compatible means application that was expecting failure is disappointed? | 20:56 |
| amuller | ok :) | 20:56 |
| amuller | ChuckC: forget I said backwards compatible | 20:56 |
| ChuckC | amuller: ok | 20:56 |
| amuller | kevinbenton: if some plugins support it but others don't you probably need an extension | 20:56 |
| amuller | at least according to the holy status quo | 20:56 |
| armax | thing is | 20:57 |
| kevinbenton | thinking about writing an API client, i don't think i would use this extension | 20:57 |
| kevinbenton | you have to handle update failures anyway, right? | 20:57 |
| armax | if a user tries to update the mac they used to get an error in the past | 20:57 |
| armax | so there won’t be client out tehre that really try to update he mac will there? | 20:58 |
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| armax | people would have learned that the mac was read only | 20:58 |
| kevinbenton | armax: right, but now there will be clients after this change | 20:58 |
| kevinbenton | armax: and they won't work with different plugins | 20:58 |
| armax | well | 20:58 |
| armax | they will look at the mac and try to update it | 20:58 |
| armax | now the plugins may throw a different error, the behavior may accidentally be valid or totally undetermined | 20:59 |
| armax | the client doesn’t need to inspect the api to update the mac | 20:59 |
| armax | they can just od | 20:59 |
| armax | do | 20:59 |
| armax | it’s totally odd to me to show that an ancient attribute has a funky extension that tells me that an operation can be done | 20:59 |
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| ChuckC | or they may succeed even though they don't advertise the extension | 21:00 |
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| kevinbenton | yeah, that's what i was getting at above | 21:00 |
| armax | as I said, I think that the mess we have without the shim is just as bad as with | 21:00 |
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| armax | so if I can reduce technical debt, I’d be in favor of abandoning this altogether…but I don’t feel strongly enough to -1 or -2 | 21:00 |
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| kevinbenton | the other side to that is the user interface perspective | 21:02 |
| armax | kevinbenton: the user is screwed no matter what | 21:02 |
| armax | :) | 21:02 |
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| kevinbenton | imagine horizon were to show the mac address field as editable depending on whether or not the backend supported it | 21:02 |
| ChuckC | doing this patch now feels a lot like cleaning up after my dog | 21:02 |
| kevinbenton | this extension would allow that | 21:02 |
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| ChuckC | :) | 21:03 |
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| armax | but horizon will need to change to expose this change in behavior | 21:04 |
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| armax | I’d rather spend time and energy getting the plugins to support the updatable mac | 21:04 |
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| armax | if horizon blows up, whose fault is that? | 21:04 |
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| kevinbenton | armax: some might not want to support it | 21:05 |
| kevinbenton | armax: or not want to put in the effort | 21:05 |
| armax | that still doesn’t stop anyone from going under the hood and call the cli, does it? | 21:05 |
| kevinbenton | armax: if the mac is a primary key or something on the backend | 21:05 |
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| kevinbenton | armax: nope, it's purely about what you show to the user | 21:06 |
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| kevinbenton | armax: we don't list all of the vmware and cisco extensions in the UI | 21:07 |
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| armax | sorry I don’t get it | 21:07 |
| armax | forget about horizon for a sec | 21:07 |
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| kevinbenton | armax: but horizon is the use case for this kind of stuff | 21:07 |
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| armax | ok, if the goal is to riddle horizon with as many hacks as the neutron’s api | 21:08 |
| armax | I can’t stop that | 21:08 |
| armax | you go +A the shim and let’s be done with it | 21:08 |
| kevinbenton | no, why do we have the ability to discover extensions at all? | 21:09 |
| kevinbenton | they are suppose to provide a hint about what the API supports, right? | 21:09 |
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| armax | sure | 21:09 |
| armax | if that hint is complete bollocks then you lost my interest in the discussion | 21:10 |
| armax | sorry | 21:10 |
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| kevinbenton | how is it bollocks? | 21:10 |
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| armax | if I am the only one thinking that the mess we got ourselves into is not gonna be solved with a shim, then I’d rather shut up | 21:11 |
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| armax | as I said, we flipped operation permissions of core attributes in the past | 21:12 |
| ijw_ | What's the review? | 21:12 |
| kevinbenton | i'm just trying to understand the issue. what are you expectations for what results in a new extension? | 21:12 |
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| armax | the resulting behavior may have been correct or not depending on the backend | 21:13 |
| armax | that’s always been normal business in neutron | 21:13 |
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| armax | I am not saying that is right, but introducing a precendent now, in the wake of some coherent way of rewriting this API sounds like a huge waste of time | 21:14 |
| ChuckC | ijw: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/169908/ | 21:14 |
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| armax | more than this topic deserves of my time, really | 21:14 |
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| ijw | Umm | 21:20 |
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| ijw | OK, I'm going to stay oiut of this, because the spec itself ignores that changing a NIC's MAC address is more than feasible | 21:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | Cedric Brandily proposed openstack/neutron: Adds base in-tree functional testing of the dhcp agent (OVS) https://review.openstack.org/136834 | 21:30 |
| dougwig | armax, kevinbenton, mestery - at this point, it might be worth someone writing something up in the devref as to the approved process for modifying/adding attributes, because i can't even keep it all straight anymore. | 21:30 |
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| mestery | dougwig: It depends on who's doing the review ... which is awful. | 21:31 |
| mestery | It should be written up. want to take it on? | 21:31 |
| ijw | dougwig: +1 | 21:31 |
| blogan | yes dougwig is great at writing things up! | 21:32 |
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| kevinbenton | dougwig: look what you did to yourself :) | 21:32 |
| blogan | especially high friction topics | 21:32 |
| kevinbenton | dougwig: complain about something else now :) | 21:33 |
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| blogan | lol | 21:33 |
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| blogan | i hope dougwig complains about my tow bill | 21:33 |
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| ZZelle_ | dougwig, mestery, should we consider it as a temporary situation that we want to address in Lemmings? | 21:35 |
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| blogan | scared him away | 21:36 |
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| blogan | wtg mestery | 21:36 |
| mestery | lol | 21:36 |
| mestery | I pushed the magic "make dougwig disappear" button | 21:36 |
| mestery | lol | 21:36 |
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| blogan | i've wanted that button for so long. you must teach my your secrets | 21:37 |
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| kevinbenton | :) | 21:38 |
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| ZZelle_ | mestery, i found the trouble in https://review.openstack.org/165115 ! I forget to register some options at metadata agent startup | 21:40 |
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| mestery | ZZelle_: OK, thanks for finding that! | 21:40 |
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| ZZelle_ | mestery, but now there is a merge conflict :( | 21:42 |
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| mattt | hi all, i'm testing kilo w/ linuxbridge vxlan tenant networks, instances get IPs but fail to speak to dhcp server, so instances aren't accessible | 21:43 |
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| openstackgerrit | Cedric Brandily proposed openstack/neutron: Allow metadata proxy running with nobody user/group https://review.openstack.org/165115 | 21:43 |
| mattt | it looks like the fdb_add methods aren't running, doing a bridge fdb | grep vxlan-1 (for example) isn't returning all the entries one would expect | 21:43 |
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| ZZelle_ | mestery, strange, gerrit was able to correct the conflict alone ... | 21:44 |
| mestery | ZZelle_: Very odd | 21:44 |
| openstackgerrit | Cedric Brandily proposed openstack/neutron: Define FakeMachine helper for functional/fullstack tests https://review.openstack.org/143412 | 21:44 |
| mattt | i'm not overly familiar w/ neutron, but the setup seems to work on juno code -- anyone have any suggestions on things to look for? | 21:45 |
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| ijw | mattt: this didn't happen to me, but if you're on multinode try adding l2pop to the mechdriver list | 22:07 |
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| openstackgerrit | Cedric Brandily proposed openstack/neutron: Adds base in-tree functional testing of the dhcp agent (OVS) https://review.openstack.org/136834 | 22:11 |
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| mattt | ijw: yep, already got that ... it's odd, i see all the fdb_remove calls coming through, but none for fdb_add | 22:13 |
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| ijw | The thing we saw the other day (and I didn't get time to repeat) was on stable juno, where it didn't seem to want to work *without* l2pop, which is odd in its own right | 22:14 |
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| mattt | ijw: i'm stumped, i can't figure this out | 22:16 |
| ijw | Yeah, I can tell you user stories but not what's up with that code, I'm afraid | 22:17 |
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| marun | amuller: hi | 22:47 |
| amuller | marun: yo | 22:48 |
| marun | amuller: https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/tests/unit/agent/l3/test_l3_router.py | 22:48 |
| marun | amuller: the target module is https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/agent/l3/router_info.py ? | 22:48 |
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| amuller | I think that a lot of the tests in test_l3_router weren't moved when we shuffled around the agent, let me look... | 22:49 |
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| amuller | marun: but yeah I think router_info is the most suitable target | 22:49 |
| marun | ok | 22:49 |
| marun | amuller: thanks | 22:49 |
| amuller | what a bunch of shit tests | 22:50 |
| amuller | sorry I had to | 22:50 |
| marun | heh | 22:50 |
| marun | going through and trying to reconcile the tree is a painful exercise | 22:50 |
| amuller | I can imagine | 22:50 |
| amuller | kudos to you for sticking to it | 22:51 |
| marun | many of the modules don't actually have a single target | 22:51 |
| * marun is a masochist, apparently | 22:51 | |
| amuller | I would have given up, disconnected from the internet and moved to a log cabin by now | 22:51 |
| marun | i'm working on it :) | 22:51 |
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| amuller | marun: just went through all of the OVS flows on br-int and br-tun for DVR. Proud to call myself a masochist as well ;-) | 23:14 |
| marun | amuller: yikes | 23:14 |
| marun | it's catching! | 23:14 |
| pritesh_ | anyone seeing "1177 Keystone fail to get token" error on devstack update recently ? | 23:15 |
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| armax | amuller: ping | 23:18 |
| amuller | armax: yo | 23:18 |
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| armax | I am a bit baffled by your image on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/170158 | 23:19 |
| amuller | beautiful isn't | 23:20 |
| armax | I can’t seem to uplink the same subnet to two different routers :( | 23:20 |
| amuller | you have to choose a different IP | 23:20 |
| amuller | I just juse Horizon for this | 23:20 |
| armax | so you add by por? | 23:20 |
| armax | port? | 23:20 |
| amuller | must be | 23:20 |
| amuller | I used Horizon... added an interface to the router, chose the subnet, and chose a non-default IP in that dialog | 23:21 |
| amuller | that's it | 23:21 |
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| amuller | armax: I can think of kind of weird use cases for this, but it's not really obious why you'd have 2 routers on the same subnet | 23:22 |
| armax | interesting…I need to go back and study Neutron 101 | 23:22 |
| amuller | with legacy routers, I dunno, you could set up keepalived in some VM, and have that VIP as the gateway for a subnet, then float the VIP across two different routers with their own distinct IPs, and make sure those routers aren't scheduled on the same node | 23:23 |
| amuller | so you get outgoing traffic load sharing | 23:23 |
| amuller | you could even set those routers as HA if you want | 23:23 |
| amuller | anyway the API allows it | 23:23 |
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| amuller | now you have to choose if you want to make a bunch of changes to support it :) | 23:24 |
| amuller | armax: I imagine that place I outlined in the review is not the only place that assumed that a subnet could only have one router attached to it | 23:24 |
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| amuller | armax: I think some of the OVS flows assume that, where you classify incoming traffic against the host MAC + tunnel ID, you change that to router's MAC device, I dunno what happens if you have two routers on that subnet, how does it know what MAC to put there | 23:28 |
| amuller | I can actually check that... | 23:28 |
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| amuller | armax: heh it mixes the routers up and the ping still works, that's funny | 23:46 |
| amuller | armax: if you care about this I can expand | 23:46 |
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