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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron: Provide work around for 0.0.0.0/0 ::/0 for ipset https://review.openstack.org/194695 | 00:13 |
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| norman | Hi, anyone is working on the L3-HA? I have a question about the GARP, thanks | 02:28 |
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| norman | SridharGaddam: ping | 02:29 |
| norman | SridharGaddam, hi ,I have a question about the GARP of HA router, can you help me ? | 02:31 |
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| openstackgerrit | Doug Wiegley proposed openstack/neutron: Check that new lbaas CI scripting fails properly https://review.openstack.org/195389 | 02:47 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kyle Mestery proposed openstack/neutron: Move the L2 Population RPC mixin into ML2 rpc directory https://review.openstack.org/195356 | 03:06 |
| openstackgerrit | Kyle Mestery proposed openstack/neutron: Move L2 agents into the ML2 directory in preparation for decomp https://review.openstack.org/195277 | 03:06 |
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| mestery | dougwig armax: Those should be good now, I fixed all the py27 and py34 errors. | 03:07 |
| mestery | :) | 03:07 |
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| armax | mestery: are you asking me to bike shed? | 03:09 |
| armax | I am happy to do it | 03:09 |
| mestery | armax: :) | 03:09 |
| mestery | I just want you to relax and enjoy the evening before day two of the mid-cycle :) | 03:09 |
| * dougwig gets out multiple paint brushes, a roller, and a sprayer. | 03:09 | |
| dougwig | mestery: shouldn't we merge the decomp spec first? | 03:10 |
| * mestery hands armax a pari of shears and points him at the yak | 03:10 | |
| mestery | dougwig: We could, technically :) | 03:10 |
| mestery | dougwig: I'll re-roll that next | 03:10 |
| armax | mestery: bike shedding is a relaxing activity, it keeps the mind free | 03:10 |
| mestery | :) | 03:10 |
| dougwig | mestery, armax: i'm looking forward to seeing what this generates: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/195392/ | 03:10 |
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| mestery | dougwig: You a glutton for punishment | 03:11 |
| dougwig | it's part of the end of the chain of getting the services CI jobs where infra wants them to be. | 03:11 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron-specs: Allow unaddressed port(without l3 address, subnet) and to boot VM with it https://review.openstack.org/183125 | 03:12 |
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| armax | mestery: I painted | 03:17 |
| openstackgerrit | Kyle Mestery proposed openstack/neutron-specs: Add spec for reference implementation split https://review.openstack.org/176501 | 03:18 |
| mestery | armax dougwig: ^^^ | 03:18 |
| mestery | armax: A -1? | 03:19 |
| armax | mestery: and another one | 03:20 |
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| * mestery takes away armax's -1 powers | 03:21 | |
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| armax | is that even possible? | 03:21 |
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| vishwanathj | mestery, when you get a chance, please review the fwaas bug patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190336/, the patch needs second fwaas core reviewer approval. Thanks | 03:24 |
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| mestery | armax: lol | 03:37 |
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| Piet | The UX team is still looking for folks that are willing to participant in a one hour interview. You should be currently using Nova-Network and able to discuss why you haven't moved to Neutron. | 03:51 |
| Piet | Feel free to reach-out to me at pieter.c.kruithof-jr <@> hp.com | 03:51 |
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| mestery | Piet: I keep asking around hoping to find some folks, thanks for all your effort here! | 03:55 |
| * Sam-I-Am would but doesnt use nova-net :) | 03:55 | |
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| mestery | armax dougwig: Please, paint this shed for me before I go to bed: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/176501/ | 04:00 |
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| Sam-I-Am | mestery: there's too many sheds here | 04:02 |
| openstackgerrit | gongysh proposed openstack/neutron: Use default value to populate port_security attr if not specified https://review.openstack.org/195405 | 04:02 |
| mestery | :) | 04:03 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron: Move third-party CI policy under docs/policies https://review.openstack.org/187437 | 04:40 |
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| openstackgerrit | gongysh proposed openstack/neutron: Add extra subnet route to ha router https://review.openstack.org/159772 | 05:58 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ramanjaneya Reddy Palleti proposed openstack/neutron: [WIP] Support Basic QoS CRUD operation https://review.openstack.org/195050 | 06:44 |
| hichihara | amotoki: ping | 06:44 |
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| amotoki | hichihara: pong | 06:45 |
| hichihara | amotoki: Thank you for your review to AZ spec. I also want you to review another spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/170774/ | 06:46 |
| hichihara | amotoki: Cloud you review the spec? | 06:46 |
| hichihara | amotoki: The spec is small. | 06:46 |
| amotoki | hichihara: will look in a couple of days. | 06:47 |
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| hichihara | amotoki: Thank you :) | 06:47 |
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| gsagie | ajo : ping | 07:46 |
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| ajo | hi gsagie :) | 07:46 |
| ajo | morning | 07:46 |
| gsagie | hi | 07:46 |
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| trinaths | irenab: Hi, Good Afternnon, Happy Birthday. :) | 07:49 |
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| irenab | @trinaths: thanks :-). It was yesterday | 07:50 |
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| gsagie | ohhh, any cake to the mid-cycle sprint? ;) | 07:51 |
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| irenab | gsagie: will think of something :-) | 07:52 |
| openstackgerrit | Pavel Bondar proposed openstack/neutron: Fixing indentation and typo in comments https://review.openstack.org/195012 | 07:57 |
| openstackgerrit | Pavel Bondar proposed openstack/neutron: Fixing indentation and typo in comments https://review.openstack.org/195012 | 07:57 |
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| shihanzhang | ping miyagishi_t | 07:58 |
| trinaths | irenab: :) | 07:59 |
| miyagishi_t | shiahnzhang: hi | 08:00 |
| miyagishi_t | shihanzhang: hi | 08:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | Cedric Brandily proposed openstack/neutron: Improve _sanitize_addresses https://review.openstack.org/195228 | 08:30 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron-vpnaas: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/193992 | 08:41 |
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| openstackgerrit | Shigeki Obuchi proposed openstack/neutron-specs: Add REJECT into action rule of FWaaS. https://review.openstack.org/149535 | 09:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | Pavel Bondar proposed openstack/neutron: Use SubnetRequestFactory for generating request https://review.openstack.org/194636 | 09:12 |
| openstackgerrit | Cedric Brandily proposed openstack/neutron: Abstract sync_allocations https://review.openstack.org/191971 | 09:13 |
| openstackgerrit | Elena Ezhova proposed openstack/neutron-vpnaas: Switch to oslo.service https://review.openstack.org/193455 | 09:20 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron: Make DHCPv6 out of bounds API test deterministic https://review.openstack.org/195045 | 09:46 |
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| blinky_ghost | hi all I'm using neutron with openvswitch (juno). I'm running some vms Sip/Voip based where I see packet retransmission/dup ack. Any pointers how to debug this in neutron, openvswitch/iptables, to discover what's the culprit? thanks | 11:24 |
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| moshele | ajo: hi | 12:20 |
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| ajo | hi moshele :) | 12:21 |
| ajo | still my message to the ML about QoS syncs & etherpad is pending.. | 12:21 |
| ajo | too many things on my plate, it seems | 12:21 |
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| moshele | ajo: do you know why the Brocade unittests failing on the qos branch? | 12:23 |
| ajo | moshele, I think we need to rebase the branch into master (it was corrected in master I think) (right ihrachyshka ? ) | 12:23 |
| ihrachyshka | ajo, right | 12:24 |
| moshele | ok I see | 12:24 |
| ajo | moshele, I'll ping you back with the rebase | 12:24 |
| moshele | ok thanks | 12:25 |
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| ZZelle-away | amuller, hi | 13:03 |
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| ihrachyshka | ZZelle-away, he is mostly offline these days due to RH summit in Boston | 13:04 |
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| ZZelle-away | ihrachyshka, thx | 13:15 |
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| amuller | ZZelle: I'm online today, just in meetings now | 13:16 |
| ZZelle | amuller, should i refine https://review.openstack.org/#/c/193100/1/neutron/tests/fullstack/fixtures/resource_fixtures.py or not? | 13:17 |
| ZZelle | or abandon it? | 13:17 |
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| amuller | ZZelle: I think that what you have now is good to start a discussion | 13:19 |
| amuller | ZZelle: you don't have to refine it further | 13:19 |
| amuller | ZZelle: We should consider alternatives | 13:19 |
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| ZZelle | amuller, ok | 13:22 |
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| Steap | Hey! Can't I run "vmware-recheck-patch" anymore ? This does not seem to do anything https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194153/ | 13:58 |
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| john-davidge | Steap: VMware CI has been temporarily disabled while some issues are fixed | 13:59 |
| Steap | oh | 13:59 |
| john-davidge | Steap: salv-orlando may be able to tell you more | 14:00 |
| Steap | john-davidge: the bot still votes -1 on my patch | 14:00 |
| john-davidge | Steap: Yes, it was only disabled earlier today, so any reviews from before will still be there | 14:00 |
| Steap | ok | 14:01 |
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| marcusvrn | hi all! I'm facing some trouble with external network, could someone help me? here is my topology: http://imgur.com/0sSrtPX The network "rede_HNAS" is an external network. If I add this network to the router as an internal network, I can ping between "private_admin" and "rede_HNAS", but if I set "rede_HNAS" as external network, it's not possible to ping between networks anymore | 14:54 |
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| sc68cal | mestery: filed an RFE for the modular l2 agent discussion - https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1468803 | 15:38 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1468803 in neutron "Modular L2 Agent" [Undecided,New] | 15:38 |
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| john-davidge | mestery: Hey Kyle, fungi tells me you and dougwig would be the people to talk to about removing third party CI voting rights | 15:44 |
| john-davidge | mestery: We’ve been talking about it over in the infra channel and on the ML | 15:44 |
| dougwig | john-davidge: do you have a specific CI in mind, or is this the general discussion? | 15:44 |
| john-davidge | dougwig: General discussion | 15:45 |
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| dougwig | john-davidge: you saw my opinion; kyle is deep in conversation here at the midcycle, so i'm sure he'll chime in soon. | 15:46 |
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| john-davidge | dougwig: ok, thanks | 15:47 |
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| mestery | john-davidge: At the mid-cycle, I'll catch up with you and dougwig soon on this | 15:48 |
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| john-davidge | mestery: ok cool, enjoy! | 15:48 |
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| Sukhdev | amuller: Ping | 16:04 |
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| carl_baldwin | amuller: ping | 16:17 |
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| amuller | carl_baldwin: heya | 16:17 |
| amuller | Sukhdev: hello | 16:17 |
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| carl_baldwin | amuller: We’re discussing the network network created for ha routers. | 16:18 |
| Sukhdev | amuller: I will let Carl explain th eissue | 16:18 |
| * amuller is listening | 16:18 | |
| carl_baldwin | amuller: The network is not created with a tenant id. | 16:19 |
| amuller | Correct | 16:19 |
| * mlavalle also listening | 16:19 | |
| amuller | like HA ports | 16:19 |
| amuller | same story | 16:19 |
| * carl_baldwin trying to remember how this all went down. | 16:19 | |
| carl_baldwin | amuller: Did we end up with one HA network per tenant? | 16:19 |
| amuller | carl_baldwin: yes | 16:19 |
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| carl_baldwin | Do we not record the tenant id for quotas? Or, what was the reason? | 16:20 |
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| amuller | The idea was to hide these resources from the tenant that creates the router, and the easiest way to do that was to use a blank tenant ID | 16:20 |
| amuller | so for example in the network view in Horizon the user is not able to see this network | 16:20 |
| amuller | that was the idea | 16:20 |
| amuller | same for the HA port per router replica | 16:21 |
| amuller | So this is a usability thing | 16:21 |
| Sam-I-Am | whats the topic here? | 16:21 |
| mlavalle | Sam-I-Am: HA routers | 16:21 |
| carl_baldwin | amuller: ok, that makes sense. I think I’m caught back up. | 16:21 |
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| Sam-I-Am | mlavalle: i figured that part | 16:21 |
| Sam-I-Am | but the issue in particular | 16:22 |
| mlavalle | Sam-I-Am: why the netwrok used by ha routers doesn't have a tenant id associated with it | 16:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | ahh | 16:22 |
| salv-orl_ | carl_baldwin: it's a fairly common pattern that resources which are functional have no tenant_id. I'm not saying it's correct, but happens in several places. e.g.: port backing floating IP, DVR CSNAT ports | 16:22 |
| salv-orl_ | by "functional" I mean resources which serve some other function and are byproducts of some other operations | 16:23 |
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| amuller | yeah I remember that DVR CSNAT ports do that as well | 16:23 |
| amuller | so I'm not alone at fault :) | 16:23 |
| Sukhdev | amuller salv-orl_: The issue I see is a network_create() is used to create this network - and this API is suppose to have tenant-id, and hence, ML2 driver rejects the network_create | 16:24 |
| Sukhdev | and hence the router create fails | 16:24 |
| amuller | Sukhdev: What driver? | 16:24 |
| Sukhdev | ML2 mech driver for Arista | 16:24 |
| Sukhdev | amuller: I am sure there are others as well | 16:25 |
| amuller | I don't understand, you're integrating L3 HA with Arista? Do you guys use the L3 agent? | 16:25 |
| Sukhdev | amuller: we did not find this issue until we tried to create HA router | 16:25 |
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| Sukhdev | amuller: we use L3 agent for L3 - but, this issue is not related to our L3 plugin | 16:26 |
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| amuller | So what is this related to? | 16:26 |
| Sukhdev | even if Arista L3 is not in play, and customer is using standard neutron router, this issue will happen | 16:27 |
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| openstackgerrit | Swaminathan Vasudevan proposed openstack/neutron: Cleanup the fip agent gateway port delete routines https://review.openstack.org/194455 | 16:27 |
| Sukhdev | amuller: because this is not about router, but, about create_network(), which is ML2 | 16:27 |
| Sukhdev | amuller: create_network() is suppose to have tenant-id | 16:28 |
| amuller | I can assume you L3 HA create_router is working on HEAD | 16:29 |
| amuller | assure* | 16:29 |
| amuller | if you use openvswitch mech driver | 16:29 |
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| amuller | Sukhdev: I'm afraid I don't really understand what the issue is or how this happens, but since using a blank tenant ID is kind of common in multiple places in Neutron, I guess modifying the ML2 mech driver API to accept tenant_id as an optional argument is the most immediate solution | 16:30 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron-vpnaas: Switch to oslo_utils.uuidutils https://review.openstack.org/193754 | 16:30 |
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| regXboi | I'm not sure I agree with making tenantID optional in the ML2 mech driver API is a good idea without checking the corner cases | 16:32 |
| amuller | yep I have no idea of it's a good idea or not | 16:34 |
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| Sam-I-Am | so, the only reason the ha network doesnt have a tenant id is to hide it from the tenant? | 16:35 |
| regXboi | I wonder if it would be possible to define a "magic" tenantID for this purpose | 16:35 |
| regXboi | which would accomplish the same thing without making tenantID optional downstream | 16:35 |
| Sam-I-Am | regXboi: that or a some sort of visibility flag | 16:35 |
| Sukhdev | amuller: sorry having discussion with armax carl_baldwin HenryG mlavalle - hang on please | 16:35 |
| * regXboi admits that defining magic is distasteful | 16:35 | |
| Sam-I-Am | is this something that the tenant should see or not | 16:35 |
| Sam-I-Am | but its still associated with a tenant | 16:36 |
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| amuller | Sam-I-Am: In all of the existing cases having a blank tenant_id is just a way for us to hide resources from the tenant | 16:36 |
| amuller | The idea is that from a usability point of view we do not want the tenant to see these resources | 16:36 |
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| amuller | a proper solution would be a visible flag for example | 16:37 |
| amuller | like you suggested | 16:37 |
| dougwig | Sam-I-Am: let me know if/when you get a few minutes; i'd like to chat about changing the install guide w.r.t. neutron. | 16:37 |
| Sam-I-Am | amuller: can we do that? | 16:38 |
| Sam-I-Am | dougwig: sure | 16:38 |
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| amuller | Sam-I-Am: It's about finding a warm body | 16:39 |
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| Sam-I-Am | amuller: some cold ones work too | 16:39 |
| amuller | If someone wants to map out the work and discuss it, awesome | 16:39 |
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| anteaya | regXboi: I realize that I may have ended our call yesterday by speaking close to the speaker and potentially hurting your ears | 16:41 |
| anteaya | regXboi: I'd like to apologize | 16:41 |
| regXboi | anteaya: no worries - I've got two autistic kids home from school for the summer - I'm used to loud pseduo-random noises | 16:41 |
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| regXboi | anteaya: which is also why I tend to be remote to things - don't want to dump on my "better half" more than necessary | 16:42 |
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| dougwig | Sam-I-Am, sc68cal: conversation came up in the discussion about the compute tag. in a nutshell, we have two network modes, sort of the public cloud model and the private tenant model. and our install guide shows one of each (nova-net and neutron tenant). how hard/would it be good to: 1) create a provider net guide like the one you have, except with | 16:43 |
| dougwig | linuxbridge, and 2) add it as a third network install option in the main openstack install guide? | 16:43 |
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| dougwig | conversation is here, line 187: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/180112/3/reference/tags/compute_starter_kit.rst,unified | 16:44 |
| Sam-I-Am | hmmm | 16:44 |
| sc68cal | dougwig: we have a provider networking scenario for linux bridge | 16:44 |
| Sam-I-Am | ^ this | 16:44 |
| Sam-I-Am | the idea of the install guide is 'happy path' | 16:44 |
| dougwig | Sam-I-Am: lack of an "easy network" with neutron is why they're recommending nova-net instead of neutron. | 16:44 |
| openstackgerrit | Kyle Mestery proposed openstack/neutron: Restructure agent code in preparation for decomp https://review.openstack.org/195277 | 16:45 |
| mestery | HenryG dougwig armax: ^^^ | 16:45 |
| Sam-I-Am | dougwig: interesting | 16:45 |
| regXboi | dougwig, Sam-I-Am: wasn't that part of the reason for "give me a net"? | 16:45 |
| dougwig | Sam-I-Am: this is, IMO, a perception issue more than a code or doc issue. how do we shuffle things to help combat that? | 16:46 |
| Sam-I-Am | the starter kit sounds a lot like the install guide | 16:46 |
| dougwig | regXboi: the compute tag requirement is just "easily gets VM on the network". it's a lower bar than nova-net replacement. | 16:46 |
| Sam-I-Am | based on eyeballing that link | 16:46 |
| dougwig | Sam-I-Am: I just want to get nova-net out of there, before we create a new generation of openstack users that are stuck on nova-net without a good migration apth. | 16:47 |
| dougwig | path | 16:47 |
| Sam-I-Am | i'd love to ditch nova-net from the install guide too :) | 16:47 |
| openstackgerrit | Kyle Mestery proposed openstack/neutron: Restructure agent code in preparation for decomp https://review.openstack.org/195277 | 16:47 |
| dougwig | /out of there/not the default recommended in the starter kit/. i'd be cool with the starter kit being a provider net based on linuxbridge. | 16:47 |
| Sam-I-Am | the benefit of neutron is self-service networking. if you default to provider networks, you lose that feature. | 16:48 |
| Sam-I-Am | imho | 16:48 |
| openstackgerrit | Kyle Mestery proposed openstack/neutron-specs: Add spec for reference implementation split https://review.openstack.org/176501 | 16:48 |
| mestery | HenryG: ^^^ | 16:48 |
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| dougwig | Sam-I-Am: there is a benefit to one networking api/code base as well. | 16:48 |
| Sam-I-Am | so the question is do we explain to people the importance of "real" cloud networking (with tenant networks) but also give them the option to replicate nova-net or basic L2 functionality (especially people from VMware land) if they dont need self-service | 16:49 |
| Sam-I-Am | dougwig: well, yeah :) | 16:49 |
| Sukhdev | amuller: based upon discussion here with armax, carl_baldwin, HenryG, mlavalle, if we removed the line where tenant-id is set, this will default to admin id https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/db/l3_hamode_db.py#L235 | 16:49 |
| Sam-I-Am | but from a IaaS perspective, self-service networking is a core feature (i think) | 16:49 |
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| Sukhdev | amuller: I will be pushing this patch - after I test to make sure that this works | 16:50 |
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| dougwig | Sam-I-Am: IMO, we should not be in the position of telling people what they want. and there is definitely a user base of folks that "just want an IP", which we can satisfy without nova-net. | 16:50 |
| amuller | Sukhdev: you don't care about ports? | 16:50 |
| anteaya | regXboi: understood on both counts | 16:50 |
| amuller | Sukhdev: and why? | 16:50 |
| Sukhdev | amuller: we do - but, I did not understand your question | 16:50 |
| Sam-I-Am | dougwig: true. however, i think we can make a suggestion along the lines of 'here's the benefits of true iaas, and neutron can do this. however, it also works with a much simpler architecture' | 16:51 |
| amuller | Sukhdev: I don't want HA ports on the '' tenant and HA networks on an admin tenant | 16:51 |
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| dougwig | Sam-I-Am: i think we do that by offering both options, and letting them pick. we are doing so *today*, but the other option is via nova-net. | 16:51 |
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| dougwig | Sam-I-Am: to put that another way, even if nova-net was deleted today, i'd still think it was a good idea to document both paths in the install guide, with the simpler one as the starting point. | 16:52 |
| dougwig | IMO | 16:52 |
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| dougwig | Sam-I-Am: willing to come have a f2f? | 16:53 |
| Sam-I-Am | i'd be game for removing nova-net from the install guide and providing two neutron paths. there are some implications though because provider networks generally require vlans, and many first-time installers barely have basic networking (often installing on VMs) | 16:54 |
| sc68cal | Sam-I-Am: There is also a flat type for provider nets | 16:54 |
| amuller | Sam-I-Am: you can create a flat provider net | 16:54 |
| amuller | sc68cal: Shakes fist | 16:55 |
| Sam-I-Am | oh, yeah... but you only get 1 of those | 16:55 |
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| sc68cal | amuller: :) | 16:55 |
| Sam-I-Am | if you want to do 1 flat network thats fine, but then people can't scale from the install guide well | 16:55 |
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| Sam-I-Am | we could configure neutron to support vlans, but only make 1 flat network in the guide... at least they dont have to reconfigure stuff | 16:55 |
| dougwig | once you've got neutron, you can layer new stuff on top easily. one you've got nova-net, you're stuck. | 16:55 |
| sc68cal | Sam-I-Am: I was saying to dougwig in person, it may be possible to start with the "very quick and easy" with LB flat network and nova-net (or remove it), then next section is the scale-out and tenant networking | 16:56 |
| Sam-I-Am | sure. i've been looking for a reason to ditch the nova-net stuff anyway. | 16:56 |
| Sam-I-Am | i'm sure it'll be a shitstorm | 16:56 |
| sc68cal | or we start a new chapter/section in the NWG and point people to it from the install guide | 16:56 |
| sc68cal | with the more advanced bits | 16:56 |
| Sam-I-Am | dougwig: you in fort fun too? | 16:56 |
| dougwig | Sam-I-Am: aye | 16:57 |
| Sam-I-Am | cool. i was thinking about heading up there tomorrow. | 16:57 |
| dougwig | Sam-I-Am: i'm not sure we should ditch nova-net yet, but come on up and let's talk. | 16:57 |
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| Sam-I-Am | the admin guide would still have it, but i dont see a reason for newcomers to use it | 16:58 |
| Sam-I-Am | especially if we can offer linuxbridge+provider | 16:58 |
| Sam-I-Am | (only lacking thing is nat) | 16:59 |
| dougwig | Sam-I-Am: i wouldn't have a problem with that, but i'm not sure that i fairly represent all sides. :) | 16:59 |
| sc68cal | probably the easy path is just have both nova-net & linux bridge flat/provider side by side in the section | 17:00 |
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| sc68cal | then later kick the hornets nest with a patch that removes nova-net | 17:01 |
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| Sam-I-Am | sc68cal: i think 3 paths may confuse people | 17:02 |
| Sam-I-Am | right now its easy - novanet or neutron | 17:02 |
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| dougwig | Sam-I-Am: we'll leave it to you as to how best to represent the issue to folks; as long as we start representing both methods via neutron, i'm happy. | 17:03 |
| Sam-I-Am | anything with moar linuxbridge is good :) | 17:03 |
| Sam-I-Am | personally i think ovs scares more people away from neutron than anything | 17:03 |
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| Sam-I-Am | it has a bad rap | 17:03 |
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| regXboi | carl_baldwin: on the routed network spec, have we figured out the next scaling point? | 17:04 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i was halfway tempted to replace ovs with linuxbridge in the install guide | 17:04 |
| regXboi | i.e. what happens when the "front network" (or whatever it is called) needs to be fronted by something else? | 17:04 |
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| carl_baldwin | regXboi: What do you have in mind? | 17:05 |
| amuller | Sam-I-Am: Keep in mind you're pushing operators in to a technology that developers pay very little attention to, both in the Neutron community and in the Linux community | 17:05 |
| amuller | Sam-I-Am: Compare OVS agent and LB agent patch numbers in the Neutron repo, as well as patch and mailing list discussion in the LB and OVS communities | 17:06 |
| regXboi_awa | carl_baldwin: I'm thinking (1) that the "front network" needs a different name, because it has different connotations that a network... | 17:06 |
| amuller | Compare throughput and latency numbers | 17:06 |
| amuller | Compare new feature additions | 17:06 |
| regXboi_awa | carl_baldwin: and (2) that it needs to be self containing so as to scale | 17:06 |
| amuller | It's a grave mistake, from my personal (And biased) perspective to push anyone to LB | 17:06 |
| regXboi_awa | carl_baldwin: walking away to get lunch, so I won't be answering for a bit | 17:06 |
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| Sukhdev | amuller carl_baldwin armax HenryG mlavalle : filed bug - https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1468828 | 17:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1468828 in neutron "HA router create breaks ML2 Drivers" [Undecided,New] | 17:07 |
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| amuller | Sukhdev: I apologise I'm going to set that bug to invalid | 17:09 |
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| amuller | Sukhdev: It's not nearly verbose enough | 17:09 |
| amuller | Sukhdev: What drivers? Do these drivers expect to support L3 HA? | 17:09 |
| Sam-I-Am | imho, ovs makes sense when you have an OF controller. otherwise it just adds another layer of complexity to everything. experience on the front line of support tells me that people have enough trouble grokking linux/cloud networking when they try openstack. | 17:09 |
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| amuller | Sukhdev: As the bug is phrased now it looks like L3 HA is broken entirely when it isn't | 17:09 |
| sc68cal | OVS had a long time where it also had not great performance | 17:09 |
| sc68cal | pre 2.X series | 17:10 |
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| Sam-I-Am | 2.0.X (included with lots and lots of distros) also sucked | 17:10 |
| Sukhdev | amuller: I think we have a disconnect - you keep thinking L3 - I keep saying ML2 - it is ML2 (i.e. L2) drivers that are broken | 17:10 |
| Sam-I-Am | the problem with OVS is when it breaks | 17:10 |
| Sam-I-Am | flows are really difficult for people to understand | 17:10 |
| dougwig | amuller, Sam-I-Am: let's not re-argue OVS vs LB. the folks that want dead nuts simple (aka provider) have stated they want LB. we should not be in the business of telling folks what they actually want. OVS in the tenant network sections is a good idea, though. | 17:10 |
| dougwig | IMO | 17:10 |
| Sam-I-Am | i dont care what people use, i just want people to be successful with deploying openstack for the first time | 17:11 |
| Sam-I-Am | we cant scare them away | 17:11 |
| dougwig | Sam-I-Am: +1 | 17:11 |
| Sukhdev | amuller: bug says HA router create breaks ML2 drivers (not HA L3 is broken) - I will be happy to change it to say whatever you prefer - as long as the we are on the same page as to what the issue is | 17:11 |
| amuller | Sukhdev: This issue manifests when you create an HA router with the Arista mech driver, yes? Do you expect HA routers to work when using the Arista mech driver? | 17:11 |
| amuller | Sukhdev: What drivers? This does not affect all drivers | 17:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | in the nova-net vs. neutron session at the summit it became pretty clear that people had bad images of neutron because ovs is some sort of nebulous beast. | 17:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | the networking guide hopefully helps shed some light by diagramming all of the different architectures (ovs and lb) | 17:12 |
| amuller | Sam-I-Am: And yet you have four times as many deployments using OVS as there are LB | 17:12 |
| amuller | According to the recent user survey | 17:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | amuller: probably because its been the 'default' of sorts | 17:12 |
| sc68cal | amuller: that survey only counts Neutron | 17:12 |
| dougwig | amuller: of course, it's the default that we document. | 17:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | lb is not well documented | 17:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | nova net folks understand linuxbridge | 17:13 |
| Sukhdev | amuller: we discovered it in Arista Driver - but, this issue will impact all ML2 drivers | 17:13 |
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| sc68cal | amuller: if you count in nova-net users, I would argue that would show a lot of LB usage | 17:13 |
| amuller | sc68cal: It includes nova net stats | 17:13 |
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| amuller | Sukhdev: It does not impact OVS, l2pop and LB mech drivers | 17:13 |
| dougwig | amuller: and it is better. and we can recommend it. BUT it's incredibly rude to hear feedback and respond that it's not what they really want. | 17:13 |
| Sam-I-Am | so we're more likely to get neutron converts with linuxbridge | 17:13 |
| amuller | sc68cal: It's 15% nova net, 15% LB, 60% OVS | 17:13 |
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| Sukhdev | amuller: it will impact them if look at the tenant-id - if they do not, it will not impact them | 17:13 |
| amuller | Sukhdev: It does not impact all drivers presently, in this reality that we live at | 17:14 |
| amuller | Sukhdev: If the bug report could reflect that I'd be much happier :) | 17:14 |
| Sukhdev | amuller: The basic issue is not if a specific driver is hit or not - the basic issue is create_network() is suppose to have tenant-id - some drivers may use it others may choose to ignore it - | 17:14 |
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| Sukhdev | amuller: I am updating the text to explain it - no worries | 17:15 |
| amuller | Sukhdev: The issue from an operators point of view is absolutely what drivers are affected by the bug | 17:15 |
| Sukhdev | amuller: will ping you as soon as I update the text - you can review it | 17:15 |
| dougwig | amuller: we've got a pretty solid consensus and plan for nova-net, and it revolves around LB. we spent years telling them they wanted something else, and that didn't work out so well. it's not up to us to mandate, and us arguing it internally will not help move this process along. | 17:15 |
| mestery | dougwig: +1000 | 17:16 |
| amuller | dougwig: In the context of existing nova network deployments LB makes absolute sense | 17:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | dougwig: i can probably head up to fort fun tomorrow after my internets gets installed at the house | 17:16 |
| amuller | In the context of green field deployments, no | 17:16 |
| dougwig | Sam-I-Am: i'm out of here at noon tomorrow. | 17:16 |
| mestery | amuller: How so? you're advocating only OVS for greenfield? | 17:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | doh | 17:16 |
| dougwig | Sam-I-Am: can you make it up today/tonight? | 17:16 |
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| amuller | mestery: Absolutely | 17:17 |
| mestery | amuller: I don't think we can make that call for all of our new deployments as an upstream project | 17:18 |
| mestery | As downstream products, sure. | 17:18 |
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| amuller | We don't have the ability to make that call, no, but documentation certainly impacts the choices that people make, and that affects us as a community with no significant manpower that is dedicated to improving the LB agent | 17:19 |
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| mestery | amuller: As long as LB is upstream, we have to support it. If the docs suck, that's on us. If the deployment sucks, again, on us. IF it has bugs, it's on us. | 17:20 |
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| Sam-I-Am | dougwig: aight, i was able to bail on afternoon things | 17:21 |
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| dougwig | Sam-I-Am: great! | 17:21 |
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| Sam-I-Am | dougwig: i need to walk back home and jump in the car... ETA maybe 2 hours. HP office on harmony? | 17:22 |
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| amuller | mestery: "It's on us" is something I can agree with, but if the metering agent has a bug now, do we know about it? If we know about it, how long until it gets fixed? | 17:22 |
| amuller | mestery: Some features are used a lot and have lots of resources behind them, some don't | 17:22 |
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| mestery | amuller: We're in agreement :) | 17:23 |
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| dougwig | Sam-I-Am: yes, building 6. give one of us a call | 17:23 |
| kevinbenton | can we make OVS and linuxbridge run at the same time so we get the best of both? | 17:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | dougwig: i have sc68cal's # | 17:23 |
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| kevinbenton | cascading virtual switches | 17:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | kevinbenton: so, ovs uses linuxbridge for secgroups :) | 17:24 |
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| mestery | kevinbenton: Go back to pecan please | 17:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | kevinbenton: you can have ovs and lb on different hosts, but there's no obvious way to specify where a vm gets launched | 17:24 |
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| Sam-I-Am | dougwig: aight, beginning my trek home | 17:26 |
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| Sukhdev | amuller: fixed the description - please have a look now - https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1468828 | 17:28 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1468828 in neutron "HA router-create breaks ML2 Drivers" [Undecided,New] | 17:28 |
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| amuller | Sukhdev: Do you see how that title sends the wrong message? | 17:29 |
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| Sukhdev | amuller: I fixed the title now | 17:30 |
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| amuller | Sukhdev: Let me have a go at it and you tell me what you think | 17:31 |
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| mestery | sc68cal: Can I get your +1 back here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/195277/ | 17:37 |
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| mestery | sc68cal: also, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/176501/ | 17:38 |
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| sc68cal | mestery: http://www.amazon.com/Plush-Stuffed-Yak-Hansa-19/dp/B000H0TGCQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1435253959&sr=8-1&keywords=plush+yak | 17:39 |
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| Sukhdev | markmcclain: when you get a chance, can you bless this one - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/195247/ | 18:10 |
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| marcusvrn | hi all! I'm facing some trouble with external network, could someone help me? here is my topology: http://imgur.com/0sSrtPX The network "rede_HNAS" is an external network. If I add this network to the router as an internal network, I can ping between "private_admin" and "rede_HNAS", but if I set "rede_HNAS" as external network, it's not possible to ping between networks anymore | 18:13 |
| openstackgerrit | Henry Gessau proposed openstack/neutron: Remove deprecated OVS and LB plugin DB tables https://review.openstack.org/195694 | 18:13 |
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| openstackgerrit | Henry Gessau proposed openstack/neutron: Remove deprecated OVS and LB plugin DB tables https://review.openstack.org/195694 | 18:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Nikolay Fedotov proposed openstack/neutron-vpnaas: Scenario test for vpnaas: ipsec-site-connection https://review.openstack.org/159746 | 18:22 |
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| busterswt | marcusvrn that sounds right. The networks behind the router - private_admin and private2 - are not directly reachable from networks on the front side of the router, including rede_HNAS. You would need to assign a floating IP to each instance and attempt to access them via the floating IP and not the fixed IP. | 18:24 |
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| marcusvrn | busterswt: but the openstack router does not use NAT to access external network? | 18:33 |
| busterswt | the router has an address from the external network as a result of the router-gateway-set command | 18:35 |
| busterswt | and the floating ips are assigned as /32 secondary addrs on the router, with SNAT/DNAT rules to instances | 18:35 |
| marcusvrn | hmmm I think I got it | 18:36 |
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| marcusvrn | I associated a floating IP to instance on "private_admin" network and I still not pinging the instance on "rede_HNAS"... | 18:37 |
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| marcusvrn | ah, I think that I noticed....when I set an external network/gateway.... the internal network interfaces change its status to DOWN....and if I clean the gateway, it goes back to ACTIVE | 18:39 |
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| mlavalle | Sukhdev: http://assafmuller.com/2015/04/06/multinode-dvr-devstack/ | 18:46 |
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| kevinbenton | salv-orl_: ping! | 18:51 |
| kevinbenton | salv-orl_: ping! | 18:51 |
| kevinbenton | salv-orl_: PING! | 18:51 |
| openstackgerrit | Cedric Brandily proposed openstack/neutron: Avoid env variable duplication in tox.ini https://review.openstack.org/195285 | 18:51 |
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| dougwig | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194230/ | 18:52 |
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| Sukhdev | markmcclain: when you get a chance, can you bless this one - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/195247/ | 18:58 |
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| markmcclain | Sukhdev: done | 19:02 |
| lindycoder | I have a python question, i was browsing through neutron code and could not help but notice that in many files the "_" function is used but not directly imported. For example in https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/service.py "_LE" and "_LI" are imported and at line 42 a function called "_" is used. So i'm just wondering how does that work? | 19:02 |
| Sukhdev | markmcclain: cool - thanks | 19:02 |
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| markmcclain | lindycoder: so in http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/neutron/tree/neutron/__init__.py#n23 | 19:05 |
| markmcclain | gettext.install() pushes _() into builtins | 19:05 |
| markmcclain | lindycoder: https://docs.python.org/2/library/gettext.html#gettext.install | 19:06 |
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| sc68cal | Do we have a bug for tracking DB deadlocks? | 19:07 |
| sc68cal | http://logs.openstack.org/06/192906/7/check/check-grenade-dsvm-neutron/7a10d83/logs/new/screen-q-svc.txt.gz?level=ERROR#_2015-06-25_18_15_13_309 | 19:07 |
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| lindycoder | markmcclain: Oh thank you! | 19:13 |
| regXboi | markmcclain: is there an existing hook that will allow me to see the stream of "objects" and operations that are being passed to the ML2 system? | 19:15 |
| regXboi | markmcclain: apologies for the imprecise question | 19:16 |
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| kevinbenton | regXboi: do you mean all core plugin calls? | 19:18 |
| regXboi | kevinbenton: not *precisely* | 19:19 |
| regXboi | kevinbenton: I'm trying to see not only the things created from the cli, but the things created as a result of that | 19:19 |
| regXboi | before the refactoring neutron had a habit of creating in one order and not deleting in the reverse order | 19:20 |
| regXboi | which means state/context can be lost downstream | 19:20 |
| regXboi | and I'm looking to verify that isn't still happening | 19:20 |
| kevinbenton | regXboi: downstream? | 19:20 |
| kevinbenton | regXboi: as in an ML2 backend? | 19:20 |
| regXboi | kevinbenton: downstream == within the ML2 agents | 19:20 |
| regXboi | kevinbenton: exactly | 19:21 |
| kevinbenton | regXboi: what do you mean it's not deleting in the reverse order? | 19:21 |
| regXboi | kevinbenton: so for example, if I create a subnet and the create a port for dhcp | 19:21 |
| kevinbenton | regXboi: who is doing the deleting? like on an exception in post-commit? | 19:21 |
| regXboi | when I delete the subnet, the proper order is to delete the port for dhcp first and then delete the subnet | 19:22 |
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| regXboi | that was the context of the dhcp port still exists during its deletion | 19:22 |
| kevinbenton | regXboi: oh, i see | 19:22 |
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| regXboi | kevinbenton: I think of it in terms of linear algebra | 19:22 |
| regXboi | kevinbenton: if the order of ops is ABC then the inverse is C-1B-1A-1 | 19:23 |
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| kevinbenton | regXboi: well it depends on the dependencies though | 19:23 |
| regXboi | kevinbenton: pun intended? | 19:23 |
| kevinbenton | regXboi: nope :) | 19:24 |
| kevinbenton | regXboi: a port can be created without a subnet existing | 19:24 |
| regXboi | kevinbenton: too bad... | 19:24 |
| regXboi | kevinbenton: yes, I agree | 19:24 |
| regXboi | kevinbenton: that's why I distringuish between *explicit* operations from the CLI | 19:24 |
| regXboi | and *implicit* operations done by neutron itself | 19:24 |
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| regXboi | the *implicit* operations need to have this ordering - explicit can be in what ever order | 19:25 |
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| kevinbenton | regXboi: e.g. delete_network ? | 19:25 |
| regXboi | kevinbenton: yes, although I admit I think more in terms of the rest stream | 19:25 |
| regXboi | so if I use cap letters for explicit then ABC and B-1A-1C-1 are perfectly ok | 19:26 |
| regXboi | but if (lower case for implicit) -> A ends up being Abc | 19:26 |
| regXboi | then A-1 needs to be c-1b-1A-1 | 19:26 |
| sc68cal | kevinbenton: DB lock issue, may or mat not be interesting to you, but HenryG said to ping ya - http://logs.openstack.org/06/192906/7/check/check-grenade-dsvm-neutron/7a10d83/logs/new/screen-q-svc.txt.gz?level=ERROR#_2015-06-25_18_15_13_309 | 19:26 |
| regXboi | anyway, I am looking for a hook in the ML2 infra where I can dump the stream and verify all of this is happening in a way that doesn't lose context | 19:27 |
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| regXboi | if there isn't one, well then I'll go find a place to put it for my own edification | 19:27 |
| kevinbenton | regXboi: no, there isn't a central 'event hook' | 19:28 |
| kevinbenton | regXboi: but i can't think of something that implicitly creates extra objects | 19:28 |
| kevinbenton | regXboi: just trying to get a concrete example | 19:28 |
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| kevinbenton | sc68cal: yeah, i noticed that | 19:29 |
| kevinbenton | sc68cal: you posted it somewhere else too, right? | 19:29 |
| regXboi | kevinbenton: so what about adding an interface to a router? | 19:29 |
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| regXboi | the port for the router is an example of what I mean by implicit | 19:30 |
| kevinbenton | regXboi: i see | 19:30 |
| regXboi | the segments for a network is another example | 19:30 |
| regXboi | anything that is a neutron object that the user didn't explicitly ask for | 19:30 |
| kevinbenton | regXboi: do you have an example of where that was violated? | 19:30 |
| regXboi | kevinbenton: not post refactoring | 19:31 |
| kevinbenton | regXboi: i think in both of those cases, the foreign key cascade behavior ensures that a network can't be deleted without it's segments | 19:31 |
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| kevinbenton | regXboi: what about pre-refactoring? | 19:31 |
| regXboi | kevinbenton: yes - it had to do with routers | 19:31 |
| * regXboi goes and finds the case | 19:31 | |
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| regXboi | kevinbenton: I never filed a bug because when I stumbled onto it the refactoring was in full swing | 19:32 |
| sc68cal | kevinbenton: don't think so, just posted that link in here | 19:32 |
| regXboi | and I didn't want to distract it | 19:32 |
| markmcclain | regXboi: mechanism_logger? | 19:33 |
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| regXboi | markmcclain: I'll go look | 19:33 |
| markmcclain | will at least log the ml2 driver calls | 19:33 |
| regXboi | kevinbenton: the first case was that when a router was deleted, the ml2 agent didn't get an explicit delete for the router-gw port | 19:34 |
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| regXboi | I'm not finding the second case right now | 19:35 |
| amuller | salv-orl_: I'm curious what you think about my comment here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/180803/ | 19:35 |
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| regXboi | kevinbenton: like I said, I just wanted to verify things like orphans aren't being created, state/context is maintained, etc. | 19:36 |
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| kevinbenton | regXboi: so the issue in that case is that ML2 doesn't have a view of the router operations | 19:37 |
| kevinbenton | regXboi: so all ML2 could know is that a port that was created wasn't deleted | 19:37 |
| regXboi | kevinbenton: yes, but I remember there was another case where the order was wrong | 19:37 |
| regXboi | the router was created and then an implicit port associated with the router was created | 19:37 |
| regXboi | and the delete was the same order | 19:37 |
| regXboi | the router was deleted and the implicit port deleted after | 19:38 |
| kevinbenton | regXboi: i see. so same issue there, ML2 doesn't know about routers or router interfaces | 19:38 |
| regXboi | which meant the context of the port delete is gone, because the router is gone | 19:38 |
| kevinbenton | regXboi: it only knows about networks, ports, and subnets | 19:38 |
| regXboi | I think of it as in a different way | 19:38 |
| regXboi | ah | 19:38 |
| regXboi | yes, ok I see | 19:39 |
| regXboi | I should include the L3 agent in my set of things as well | 19:39 |
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| regXboi | markmcclain: I'll try that, but I don't think it *quite* does what I'm looking for | 19:42 |
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| openstackgerrit | Cedric Brandily proposed openstack/neutron: Define fullstack network/subnet fixtures https://review.openstack.org/193100 | 20:09 |
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| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin: here is the other change that replaces the on you -1'd | 20:22 |
| johnbelamaric | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/195602 | 20:22 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron-vpnaas: Switch to oslo.service https://review.openstack.org/193455 | 20:25 |
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| carl_baldwin | regXboi ping | 20:35 |
| regXboi | carl_baldwin: pong on an internal meeting | 20:35 |
| carl_baldwin | regXboi: ok, ping me later | 20:35 |
| regXboi | carl_baldwin: ack | 20:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron-fwaas: Switch to oslo_utils.uuidutils https://review.openstack.org/193756 | 20:38 |
| openstackgerrit | Kyle Mestery proposed openstack/neutron: Consolidate sriov agent and driver code https://review.openstack.org/195736 | 20:38 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kyle Mestery proposed openstack/neutron: Consolidate sriov agent and driver code https://review.openstack.org/195736 | 20:53 |
| openstackgerrit | Kyle Mestery proposed openstack/neutron: Restructure agent code in preparation for decomp https://review.openstack.org/195277 | 20:53 |
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| openstackgerrit | Pavel Bondar proposed openstack/neutron: Refactor and decompose db_base_plugin_v2.py https://review.openstack.org/153236 | 21:11 |
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| dougwig | sc68cal: https://review.openstack.org/195744 | 21:13 |
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| sridhar_ram | mestery: if you've some cycles can you please review DMVPN spec - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/181563/ | 21:17 |
| sridhar_ram | mestery: this is the next big thing in vpnaas :) | 21:17 |
| sridhar_ram | IMHO btw! | 21:18 |
| mestery | sridhar_ram: Cool sir! | 21:18 |
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| dougwig | carl_baldwin: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/195744/1 | 21:23 |
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| dougwig | anteaya: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/195744/1 | 21:25 |
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| anteaya | +1 | 21:27 |
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| madhu_ak | dougwig: hi doug, please keep me posted if you get to know any information/updates about flavor-framework during neutron mid cycle..would like to resume it upon getting community feedback | 21:42 |
| dougwig | madhu_ak: hiya, what's the status on addressing your current -1's ? | 21:45 |
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| madhu_ak | dougwig: yeah, waiting from salvatore to respond to xgerman's comments..meaning, should I change the rsource_attributes and good to proceed further? | 22:04 |
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| xgerman | dopugwig, I was hoping you can clear that up | 22:05 |
| xgerman | I am a bit confused about ti | 22:05 |
| pc_m | amuller: ping | 22:05 |
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| amuller | pc_m: pong | 22:05 |
| pc_m | amuller: Wondered if I could get your thoughts on unit testing that I'm doing? | 22:06 |
| dougwig | madhu_ak: i think you're good to update and leave just that one open question. | 22:06 |
| amuller | pc_m: link? | 22:06 |
| dougwig | madhu_ak: from my read, salv contradicted himself. :) | 22:06 |
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| madhu_ak | dougwig: sure, let me take a stab on it | 22:08 |
| pc_m | amuller: haven't pushed code yet, but I'm working on a sample module that shows all three methods I'm considering. | 22:08 |
| pc_m | amuller: Some of this is a bit philosophical, as in "how do we want to do this". | 22:08 |
| dougwig | madhu_ak: ty | 22:08 |
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| amuller | pc_m: ok if you could shoot me a pastebin or patch I'll take a look | 22:09 |
| pc_m | amuller: Wanted to give you an overview and then talk about the UT in general, and then can send the code to give something solid. | 22:10 |
| amuller | pc_m: ok | 22:10 |
| pc_m | amuller: This is on VPN repo, for the VPNaaS, and regarding testing the database methods. | 22:11 |
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| pc_m | amuller: I'd like to have low level, fast running, unit tests in general. | 22:11 |
| amuller | makes sense | 22:13 |
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| pc_m | amuller: however, current VPN code for database testing is far from it. It essentially does an integration test that sends client requests in, deserialize, plugin, dbase, response, serialize, deserialize and looks at result codes. | 22:14 |
| amuller | pc_m: with sqlite ya? | 22:14 |
| amuller | like a lot of the neutron unit tests | 22:14 |
| pc_m | amuller: Yeah, I think that is what it uses. I have come up with three ideas. | 22:14 |
| pc_m | amuller: identical (lots of cut and paste). The VPN tests have been around for a few years. | 22:15 |
| pc_m | amuller: I want to add a test, however, the database field I'll be manipulating, will be done programatically and not via API (it is a read only attribute). | 22:15 |
| pc_m | amuller: The first idea is identical to current, full circle processing of a request to change the database for everything (will programmatically then change the desired field for one of the tests). | 22:16 |
| amuller | pc_m: can you expand a bit on what you want to verify? | 22:17 |
| pc_m | amuller: A second, is to use the existing mechanism to do the setup of Neutron database items needed (subnets, networks, router), but then directly access the database (or plugin) to modify the VPN table and check. | 22:18 |
| pc_m | amuller: Third is to purely use database accesses for everything (create router, network, subnet via calls to neutron plugin) - no API calls. | 22:19 |
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| amuller | pc_m: We have new unit tests in Neutron that use the third approach | 22:19 |
| pc_m | amuller: What to verify is one of the aspects of the issue. | 22:20 |
| pc_m | amuller: We have scenario test that tests the API, so we really don't need to test that in these database tests. | 22:20 |
| amuller | pc_m: If you're trying to verify a DB layer method, then you use the lowest level DB methods to seed the data, then call what you're verifying, then assert with other DB methods, or even a direct query in the test without a DB/plugin method | 22:21 |
| pc_m | amuller: OTOH, I don't want to test the database itself (I'm assuming SQLAlchemy works OK). | 22:21 |
| amuller | yeah | 22:21 |
| amuller | pc_m: but you do want to verify methods that access the DB for you | 22:21 |
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| amuller | pc_m: bypassing the API layer for DB tests makes perfect sense | 22:21 |
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| pc_m | amuller: So one question is if there is value in testing this, for the sake of catching access errors, etc. | 22:21 |
| amuller | bypassing the plugin layer and testing the DB mixin is even better | 22:21 |
| amuller | pc_m: I think so yes | 22:21 |
| amuller | pc_m: I don't expect these tests to fail at the gate but they they do tend to help during development. They narrow down the failure as you're changing things | 22:22 |
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| pc_m | amuller: I was thinking initially checking at the plugin level so that it checks the validation methods, and later doing direct database access and do the validation tests separately (the best, but it'll take a while to get there). | 22:23 |
| pc_m | amuller: good. I just didn't want to try to go the database route, if that was not an approach desired. | 22:24 |
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| amuller | pc_m: I'm assuming you have plugin methods and DB methods, like for example how the ml2 plugin has plugin.py and also a DB helper class. That's what I refer to when I say "plugin layer" and "DB player" | 22:24 |
| amuller | layer* | 22:24 |
| amuller | where the plugin does fancy logic and the DB helper methods are ideally very low level and just wrap sqlalchemy fun | 22:25 |
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| pc_m | amuller: Yeah, the plugin also calls the service driver. | 22:25 |
| amuller | again ideally you would verify the DB helper methods separately, then write more tests for the plugin layer | 22:25 |
| pc_m | amuller: For the attribute in question, the design here, is to have the plugin create the database entry and then call the service driver. The service driver will then update the table with information that it obtains. | 22:26 |
| amuller | pc_m: when you say "direct database access" do you mean the test would invoke sqlalchemy or use the DB helper methods? | 22:26 |
| pc_m | amuller: This is so that different service drivers can obtain the info differently. | 22:27 |
| pc_m | amuller: use the dbase helper methods. | 22:27 |
| amuller | ok | 22:27 |
| amuller | yeah then we're on the same page | 22:27 |
| amuller | sounds good | 22:27 |
| pc_m | amuller: cool! | 22:27 |
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| pc_m | amuller: Let me paste up the example I have. It only tests creating a VPN service, which is the table that I'll be modifying. It doesn't have code that tests updating the table, but that's just another method call. | 22:29 |
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| pc_m | amuller: It also uses the plugin and not the database class for driving the test (I wanted the validators to run to make sure I had the tables created correctly). | 22:29 |
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| pc_m | amuller: It looks like this option is smaller code (it is about 40 lines larger than the second option, but that uses a bunch of neutron code - and that has another negative as they are private methods and can break). | 22:30 |
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| pc_m | I got roughly 180 lines for option 1 (original), 52 for one that uses Neutron, and 98 for the plugin/database code. | 22:32 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kyle Mestery proposed openstack/neutron: Consolidate sriov agent and driver code https://review.openstack.org/195736 | 22:33 |
| openstackgerrit | Kyle Mestery proposed openstack/neutron: Restructure agent code in preparation for decomp https://review.openstack.org/195277 | 22:33 |
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| pc_m | amuller: Here's the current test code... http://paste.openstack.org/show/321202/ | 22:34 |
| pc_m | It runs from neutron_vpnaas/tests/unit/db/vpn/test_db_options.py | 22:35 |
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| pc_m | amuller: Up to line 220 is code that is like original test_db_vpn.py code. | 22:36 |
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| pc_m | amuller: just with all the other tests removed. | 22:36 |
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| amuller | pc_m: third option is preferable, you'd probably want to create helpers for plugin calls to create port/network/subnet | 22:38 |
| pc_m | amuller: great. That is the one I'm advocating. | 22:38 |
| amuller | pc_m: notice how the third option has so few dependencies | 22:38 |
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| pc_m | amuller: I'll make a bunch of helpers as part of it. My thoughts are that I do this for the tests needed for the bug fix I'm on, and then with that infra in place, other tests can be migrated. | 22:39 |
| amuller | pc_m: yup! :) | 22:39 |
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| amuller | pc_m: with helpers that cuts down the test to a third I think | 22:40 |
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| amuller | pc_m: just a question - why are you calling addCleanup with delete_vpnservice? | 22:41 |
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| pc_m | amuller: BTW. in the patch, the file test is disabled, need to remove no_ prefix to run. | 22:45 |
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| pc_m | amuller: Not needed. Was a holdover from existing tests. | 22:45 |
| amuller | ok | 22:45 |
| amuller | pc_m: alright sounds like you have a good plan | 22:45 |
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| amuller | I'm gonna sign out for today :) | 22:45 |
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| pc_m | amuller: Thanks. Armando wanted me to bounce it off of you. | 22:46 |
| pc_m | amuller: ttyl | 22:46 |
| amuller | cya | 22:46 |
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| openstackgerrit | Brian Haley proposed openstack/neutron-specs: [WIP] "Get me a network" spec https://review.openstack.org/184857 | 22:52 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron: Switch to oslo_utils.uuidutils https://review.openstack.org/160699 | 22:53 |
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| Swami | rkukura: any update on the Ml2 port-binding | 22:55 |
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| regXboi | carl_baldwin: can we talk tomorrow? | 23:05 |
| regXboi | I'm finally off the phone and now staring at a late night | 23:05 |
| mestery | salv-orl_: Your email about an RFE for quotas hits all the right notes with regards to policy. Well done sir. ;) | 23:06 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sukhdev Kapur proposed openstack/neutron: Fix tenant-id in Arista ML2 driver to support HA router https://review.openstack.org/195789 | 23:20 |
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| Sukhdev | HenryG: https://review.openstack.org/195789 | 23:23 |
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| madhu_ak | dougwig: from what I understand about salv comments on flavor-framework, we need to use service_definition in place of service_profile? | 23:25 |
| dougwig | only if it makes sense. | 23:26 |
| dougwig | let me know if you need me to interpret. | 23:26 |
| madhu_ak | sure, could you shed some light on that? | 23:27 |
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| johnbelamaric | haleyb: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/195602 | 23:33 |
| openstackgerrit | Ritesh Anand proposed openstack/neutron: Fix for bug #1423774. https://review.openstack.org/195791 | 23:34 |
| openstack | bug 1423774 in neutron "Fix TRACE when removing a DVR router port from a VLAN network" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1423774 - Assigned to Assaf Muller (amuller) | 23:34 |
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