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| reedip | @HenryG: Hi HenryG, I have a query at https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-neutronclient/+bug/1499146 . If you have some time, then can you please provide any suggestions to the query? | 04:26 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1499146 in python-neutronclient "Incorrect error message reported while creating firewall policy " [Undecided,Opinion] - Assigned to Reedip (reedip-banerjee) | 04:26 |
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| reedip | @amotoki : ping | 04:30 |
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| amotoki | reedip: pong | 04:50 |
| reedip | Hi Amotoki | 04:50 |
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| reedip | Hope you are doing well. I have a few issues to discuss. (@amotoki) : Can you please look into bug#1327071 and bug#1499146 and if possible, let me know your opinions? | 04:52 |
| reedip | if you have some time? | 04:52 |
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| amotoki | unfortunately, I have no enough time to review :-( | 04:54 |
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| reedip | @amotoki: Ok, I understand. Thanks :) | 04:55 |
| amotoki | As a quick look, re the first one, some error message for duplicated options sounds reasonable ot me. | 04:55 |
| reedip | @amotoki: Ok , thanks. Thats what I need :) | 04:56 |
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| amotoki | reedip: on the second one, when I read the bug desc, where did BadRequest you mentioned come from? | 04:57 |
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| amotoki | reedip: neutron server? if it is caused because neutroncleint sends a wrong request, you should fix the sender side. | 04:58 |
| amotoki | reedip: as a quick look of the bug comment, you mentioned parsed_args_to_dict. I wonder we have other cause. | 04:59 |
| reedip | @amotoki: Ok I will look into it further. I feel its neutron-server but maybe a bit more analysis is required. Thanks for the inputs | 04:59 |
| amotoki | reedip: what request body is sent to neutron server in the error case? | 05:01 |
| reedip | @amotoki: Just pasted a --debug output to http://paste.openstack.org/show/474324/ | 05:02 |
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| amotoki | reedip: I would like to see the output with option -v | 05:03 |
| amotoki | reedip: ignore my comment. | 05:03 |
| amotoki | reedip: '{"firewall_policy": {"name": true}}' was sent, | 05:04 |
| amotoki | reedip: so you need to fix the sender side of neutronclient. | 05:04 |
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| reedip | @amotoki: Ok, thanks for the information :) | 05:26 |
| vikram | amotoki: ping | 05:29 |
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| vikram | amotoki: ping | 05:30 |
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| vikram | kevinbenton: ping | 05:39 |
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| rdas | Hi, Can anyone please take a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226240I tried skipping the VLAN-Transparency test using is_extension_enabled but look like its not working. I am returned with Unrecognized attribute(s) 'vlan_transparent' which is generally returned when the extension is not enabled on the target | 05:46 |
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| Yuji | vikram: Hi. | 05:53 |
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| vikram | Yuji: Hi | 05:58 |
| vikram | Yuji: I was thinking for adding few more information in the document | 05:58 |
| vikram | Yuji: Ping | 05:59 |
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| Yuji | vikram: Okay. what is information? | 06:00 |
| vikram | Yuji: How about adding a section to explain what changes existing resources needs to do? | 06:00 |
| vikram | Yuji: IMO, they don't need to modify their existing CLI's | 06:00 |
| vikram | Yuji: Just use the new resource for saving the information | 06:01 |
| vikram | Yuji: Do you agree? | 06:01 |
| vikram | rdas: "https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226240" Can't find this link | 06:02 |
| vikram | rdas: Can you please recheck | 06:02 |
| vikram | Yuji: If you want I can rework on this | 06:03 |
| vikram | Yuji: Better let me put down my thoughts.. | 06:03 |
| vikram | Yuji: Are you fine? | 06:04 |
| Yuji | vikram: Okay. Please wait, i'm thinking... | 06:04 |
| vikram | Yuji: Sure | 06:04 |
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| vikram | Yuji: It will be better not to change the user experience | 06:04 |
| vikram | Yuji: and existing API interfaces for backward compatibilitty | 06:04 |
| vikram | compatibility | 06:05 |
| rdas | vikram, https://review.openstack.org/226240 | 06:05 |
| vikram | rdas: got it.. thanks | 06:05 |
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| openstackgerrit | YAMAMOTO Takashi proposed openstack/neutron: test_db_base_plugin_v2: Skip a few tests on some platforms https://review.openstack.org/228313 | 06:07 |
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| Yuji | vikram: Agree with you. Can you comment to patch? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190463/17 | 06:13 |
| vikram | Yuji: Good.. | 06:13 |
| vikram | Yuji: One more point.. | 06:13 |
| vikram | Yuji: How we will handle if multiple resources points to the same record | 06:14 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sachi King proposed openstack/neutron: Add -constraints sections for base CI jobs https://review.openstack.org/228315 | 06:14 |
| vikram | Yuji: Lets's FWaaS, QoS,.. etc refer to same classifier record | 06:14 |
| vikram | Yuji: and FWaaS deletes the classifier record.. In this scenario, we should not delete the record as QoS is still pointing to it | 06:15 |
| vikram | Yuji: How to handle this? | 06:15 |
| vikram | Yuji: I think we can use existing callback mechanism to handle this.. | 06:16 |
| vikram | Yuji: https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/doc/source/devref/callbacks.rst | 06:16 |
| vikram | Yuji: Using this approach, all the resources must register to the classifier resource for callback notification.. and delete can only be successful if all the registered resource returns Okay | 06:17 |
| Yuji | vikram: It mechanism looks good. I'll check callback mechanism. | 06:20 |
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| vikram | dras: Can you help me with the callstack.. | 06:20 |
| vikram | Yuji: Thanks :) | 06:21 |
| vikram | Yuji: Once we are ready with all this then we can ask the driver team to approve it for mitaka | 06:22 |
| vikram | rdas: ping | 06:22 |
| rdas | vikram, pong | 06:22 |
| vikram | rdas: Can you help me with the callstack..better not to paste it here.. | 06:23 |
| Yuji | vikram: Thank you, too :) | 06:23 |
| vikram | rdas: You can send me separately | 06:23 |
| rdas | vikram, okay. give me a minute | 06:23 |
| vikram | Yuji: Let's make it for Mitaka | 06:24 |
| vikram | Yuji: Once the BP is approved we need to invite community and start coding... ;) | 06:24 |
| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/neutron: Imported Translations from Zanata https://review.openstack.org/228139 | 06:26 |
| Yuji | vikram: Great. I will update patch soon. Thanks for help me :) | 06:28 |
| vikram | Yuji: Welcome :) | 06:29 |
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| vikram | ajo: ping | 07:21 |
| vikram | ajo: We have filed RFE bug for LB QoS Support 'https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1500012/' | 07:22 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1500012 in neutron "QoS driver for LinuxBridge Agent" [Undecided,New] | 07:22 |
| vikram | ajo: Can you please help to review | 07:22 |
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| ajo | vikram, sure, probably you don't even need a spec | 08:14 |
| ajo | start coding :) | 08:14 |
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| vikram | ajo: RFE? | 08:15 |
| ajo | just the RFE bug report should be ok, I think (IMHO) | 08:15 |
| vikram | ajo: Ok.. Now we await for the drivers to approve this | 08:15 |
| ajo | vikram, start coding | 08:15 |
| ajo | vikram, can you find any reason why drivers would exclude LB from QoS? | 08:16 |
| ajo | :-) | 08:16 |
| vikram | ajo: They shouldn't .. Just to confirm with the process | 08:17 |
| vikram | ajo: We will submit the review link mentioning the changes for LB in devref + Code changes | 08:18 |
| ajo | vikram, you can create a devref patch | 08:18 |
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| ajo | vikram, it's not a new feature | 08:18 |
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| vikram | ajo: Yup.. In the process of doing that. By this week it will be up | 08:18 |
| ajo | vikram, it's supporting an existing one, and adding the agent extensions in LB, which are missing :) | 08:18 |
| ajo | ack | 08:19 |
| ajo | :) | 08:19 |
| vikram | ajo: You are right.. as always ;) | 08:19 |
| ajo | vikram, unless when I'm wrong :) | 08:19 |
| ajo | vikram, thank you for taking care of LB :) | 08:19 |
| vikram | ajo; my pleasure | 08:19 |
| vikram | amotoki: ping | 08:20 |
| amotoki | vikram: pong | 08:20 |
| vikram | amotoki: Need ur help for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/205756/ | 08:20 |
| vikram | amotoki: We are aiming this for mitaka-a | 08:20 |
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| vikram | amotoki: We are aiming this for mitaka-1 | 08:20 |
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| vikram | ajo: Can you please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/218620/ | 08:21 |
| vikram | ajo: It's a long wait | 08:21 |
| ajo | vikram, sure, let me check | 08:21 |
| vikram | ajo: thanks | 08:22 |
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| amotoki | vikram: I can help you but I think you dont need to hurry client-side review :) | 08:24 |
| vikram | amotoki: I agree.. Just to make sure we abide by correct parameter name and stuff's.. To avoid last minute changes at the server side | 08:25 |
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| vikram | amotoki: + You can help to provide your expert views on the server API changes as well :) | 08:26 |
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| amotoki | vikram: generally speaking such thing can be discussed as API review. I can chime in to the server side review :) | 08:26 |
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| openstackgerrit | Akihiro Motoki proposed openstack/python-neutronclient: neutron v2 command module cleanup (2) https://review.openstack.org/228353 | 08:27 |
| vikram | amotoki: Thanks for the help | 08:27 |
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| shihanzhang | hi kevinbenton, I have address your comments on patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/225583/, pls help to review again :) | 09:16 |
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| HenryG | amuller: What is the state of new API tests in tempest? Should we redirect people to neutron instead? | 14:00 |
| amuller | HenryG: absolutely | 14:00 |
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| HenryG | amuller: https://review.openstack.org/226240 | 14:01 |
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| HenryG | amuller: Why don't we remove the api/network dir from tempest? | 14:02 |
| amuller | HenryG: thanks | 14:02 |
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| amuller | HenryG: stable branches is the short answer | 14:04 |
| amuller | HenryG: sorry just entered a meeting | 14:05 |
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| HenryG | amuller: ah yes, forgot about those | 14:05 |
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| akamyshnikova | amuller, please, take a look when you have time https://review.openstack.org/#/c/227821/ | 14:56 |
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| amuller | akamyshnikova: aye | 15:01 |
| amuller | akamyshnikova: I was, then meetings started =D I'll take a look right after this | 15:02 |
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| akamyshnikova | amuller, great! thanks a lot! | 15:02 |
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| bharath | Hi, is there any reason why we are cleaning stale flows after calling process_network_ports? | 16:16 |
| bharath | I am talking about this line https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/plugins/ml2/drivers/openvswitch/agent/ovs_neutron_agent.py#L1752 | 16:17 |
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| njohnston | Can IPv6 networks work with DVR in Liberty, or is that feature still pending? I was not sure after reading https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/DVR | 16:27 |
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| regXboi | sc68cal: ^^^^^ | 16:28 |
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| clarkb | you can check the tempest results but I am pretty sure the ipv6 tests run against dvr too | 16:33 |
| Swami | njohnston: IPv6 networks will work with DVR, but there is one bug related to multiple subnets per network and there is a patch that would address it. | 16:34 |
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| Swami | njohnston: patch details #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/225319/ | 16:35 |
| njohnston | Thanks Swami! | 16:35 |
| Swami | njohnston: FloatingIPs are still IPv4. | 16:35 |
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| regXboi | amuller: ping - thanks for the reviews related to testing and how much do you know about the transaction structure the native OVSDB code uses? | 17:36 |
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| amuller | regXboi: not much | 17:42 |
| amuller | regXboi: shouldn't be difficult to read that bit of code | 17:43 |
| amuller | the native ovsdb driver and how it implements the Transaction.commit method | 17:43 |
| regXboi | amuller: I'm looking at it now and it looks like there is some threading going on | 17:44 |
| regXboi | but I'll ping others.... | 17:44 |
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| amuller | regXboi: otherwiseguy is the SME | 17:44 |
| amuller | he wrote it | 17:45 |
| regXboi | otherwiseguy, russellb: I'm looking at the native OVSDB's Transaction.commit() code and trying to see if there is a way to improve its performance under scale | 17:45 |
| regXboi | amuller: and that's where I'm going now :) | 17:45 |
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| * regXboi is starting to wonder if what he is chasing is within ovs and ovsdb itself | 17:58 | |
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| otherwiseguy | regXboi: What scale issues are you having? At least not under load (and when I wrote it) ovsdb native seems to be about the same speed/a little faster than using rootwrap daemon mode (except for the very first transaction--something that I always meant to fix). | 18:07 |
| otherwiseguy | The underlying OVS library it uses basically keeps an in-memory cache of the whole db and monitors it for changes. One thing that we should probably do is restrict which tables we listen to for updates. | 18:08 |
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| regXboi | otherwiseguy: so the first thing I found was that the code was calling ovs-vsctl to set the manager each time, | 18:10 |
| otherwiseguy | regXboi: essentially neutron.agent.ovsdb.native.connection.Connection.start's call to helper.register_all() should instead just register things like Open_vSwitch, Bridge, Port, and Interface tables (and anything else we specifically need that I'm missing). | 18:10 |
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| regXboi | otherwiseguy: this is what I'm chasing down right now: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1499893 | 18:11 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1499893 in neutron "Native OVSDB transation commit shows O(n) performance" [Medium,New] | 18:11 |
| otherwiseguy | regXboi: Yeah, that was an add-on that came later that I reviewed and approved, completely missing that that would happen. :) | 18:11 |
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| regXboi | otherwiseguy: I'm updating the above right now, so give me a moment | 18:12 |
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| regXboi | otherwiseguy: that launchpad bug is now updated with the latest that I know | 18:13 |
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| regXboi | my question for you is - am I looking at something that is inherent to the ovsdb implementation itself? | 18:14 |
| otherwiseguy | at least with the first version of the ovsdb implementation I did, it ended up scaling more linearly than the existing: http://blog.otherwiseguy.com/replacing-ovs-vsctl-calls-with-native-ovsdb-in-neutron/ | 18:15 |
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| otherwiseguy | With ovs-vsctl running, it will scale poorly because each call to ovs-vsctl dumps the entire db. If we aren't calling ovs-vsctl, it *should* be better with larger dbs. | 18:15 |
| regXboi | otherwiseguy: yes, but at this point, it is now the other way around - the shell peforms better than the native in that the slope of the o(n) is less | 18:16 |
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| otherwiseguy | Some operations really suck, complexity-wise, though. Finding the bridge an interface on, for instance, scans pretty much all bridges, ports, and interfaces. | 18:16 |
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| regXboi | otherwiseguy: http://ibin.co/2HEQE6YhRvSy is what started this hunt | 18:17 |
| regXboi | It's pretty much the opposite of what I was hoping to see | 18:18 |
| otherwiseguy | I'm assuming this is *after* removing the ovs-vsctl is called every time problem? | 18:18 |
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| otherwiseguy | As that will essentially at least double the time native implementation takes (and then some). | 18:18 |
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| regXboi | otherwiseguy: ack | 18:19 |
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| regXboi | since both show o(n) behavior and since the native looks to be in the transaction commit, I'm wondering if I'm looking at something in ovsdb itself and therefore am looking in the wrong place | 18:21 |
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| regXboi | hail, mestery | 18:23 |
| mestery | regXboi: Aye aye, on PTO, checking in a bit ;) | 18:23 |
| regXboi | mestery: still chasing the ovsdb stuff and heckling otherwiseguy now | 18:24 |
| mestery | regXboi: ack | 18:25 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron: Fixes 'ovs-agent cannot start on Windows because root_helper opt is not found' https://review.openstack.org/226178 | 19:19 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron: SubnetPoolsTest: Skip IPv6 tests appropriately https://review.openstack.org/225078 | 19:19 |
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| regXboi | otherwiseguy, russellb: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1499893 updated - I've isolated the delay to the commit_block call that replaces the port (via delete/add/set). Is this a known issue with OVSDB? | 19:29 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1499893 in neutron "Native OVSDB transation commit shows O(n) performance" [Medium,New] | 19:29 |
| russellb | "DbSetCommand's performance increases with each router add" | 19:30 |
| russellb | i take it you meant "decreases" :-) | 19:30 |
| russellb | or the time it takes increases | 19:30 |
| russellb | sorry to be pedantic, just making sure i understand the report | 19:31 |
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| regXboi | russelb: it increases | 19:32 |
| regXboi | look at the graph | 19:32 |
| regXboi | :( | 19:32 |
| openstackgerrit | Henry Gessau proposed openstack/neutron: Tag the alembic migration revisions for Liberty https://review.openstack.org/228271 | 19:32 |
| regXboi | er graphs even | 19:32 |
| regXboi | especially the one in the last update | 19:32 |
| regXboi | er russellb: ^^^^^ (sorry, typo'd the handle) | 19:32 |
| openstackgerrit | Cedric Brandily proposed openstack/neutron: Add neutron-linuxbridge-cleanup util https://review.openstack.org/221508 | 19:34 |
| russellb | what's the operation you're doing exactly from the neutron api side? | 19:34 |
| regXboi | here's the operation set: | 19:35 |
| openstackgerrit | Carl Baldwin proposed openstack/neutron: WIP Make this code clearer https://review.openstack.org/228594 | 19:35 |
| regXboi | neutron router-create, neutron router-gateway-set, neutron router-interface-add | 19:35 |
| russellb | ok, a bunch of times? | 19:35 |
| regXboi | 100 times, recording the run after each one | 19:36 |
| regXboi | I'll put the full scenario in the bug - give me a moment | 19:36 |
| russellb | and run 100 takes longer than run 1 | 19:36 |
| russellb | off the cuff I'd say the O(n)-like performance is probably expected and is due to how the ovsdb protocol works | 19:37 |
| russellb | there are several protocol enhancements in the works that might help | 19:37 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron: Fixing traces of "Replace prt variable by port" https://review.openstack.org/218620 | 19:37 |
| russellb | the library is keeping a local cache of the db contents | 19:37 |
| regXboi | and updated | 19:38 |
| russellb | and the bigger it is, the more time it takes to apply a transaction | 19:38 |
| regXboi | russellb: any ETA on those enhancements? | 19:38 |
| russellb | no, and i'd have to look much closer to see which, if any are even relevant | 19:38 |
| russellb | but i'd say in general that what you're seeing is expected | 19:38 |
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| russellb | might be nice to look at the ovsdb-server debug and see what the transactions look like | 19:39 |
| russellb | in case something looks off | 19:39 |
| russellb | like it's sending a much bigger update than necessary | 19:39 |
| regXboi | russellb: that I don't have | 19:39 |
| russellb | the C version of this code is smart and cuts down the transaction down to what's absolutely necessary | 19:39 |
| russellb | i assume the Python version does the same, but I don't know that for sure | 19:39 |
| russellb | from talking to otherwiseguy, it also sounds like there's a ton of room for perf improvement to how that library does json encode/decode | 19:40 |
| regXboi | russellb: well, the driver that spawns C commands to do this also shows O(n) behavior, just not as much | 19:40 |
| russellb | OK, makes sense | 19:40 |
| openstackgerrit | Nate Johnston proposed openstack/neutron-specs: Add security groups dscp spec https://review.openstack.org/228596 | 19:40 |
| regXboi | which says to me that some is in the python libary and some is in the ovsdb code itself | 19:40 |
| russellb | it's doing similar work (reading the whole db, then updating it) | 19:40 |
| regXboi | now here's the rub - that essentially means that ovsdb is not a scalable solution | 19:41 |
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| russellb | is there a use case that you were having problems with that led you down this path? | 19:41 |
| regXboi | which is a very dangerous statement to make | 19:41 |
| regXboi | russellb: the use case is an operator with lots of short lived instances that have a requirement that the network be available to the instance within 10 seconds of the instance coming up | 19:42 |
| regXboi | and that needs to be true up over 1000 instances | 19:42 |
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| russellb | you're not just creating ports, you're creating routers | 19:42 |
| regXboi | yep | 19:42 |
| russellb | so, short lived instances with short lived network topologies with them? | 19:42 |
| regXboi | the network topologies may be longer liverd | 19:43 |
| russellb | but that's what you're testing | 19:43 |
| russellb | not "neutron port-create" | 19:43 |
| regXboi | yes, because the requirement talks in terms of start-up, so one can't assume that the network topology is already there | 19:43 |
| russellb | in terms of what start-up | 19:44 |
| russellb | i'd expect that to be instance startup | 19:44 |
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| russellb | i mean, if someone's goal is to do rapid startup, this is a super easy place to start speeding that up | 19:44 |
| russellb | by only create/destroy the VMs | 19:44 |
| russellb | and not *everything* | 19:44 |
| russellb | i've never heard of someone doing it like this ... | 19:44 |
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| regXboi | russellb: maybe not before now, but it is here now | 19:45 |
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| russellb | ooookay :) | 19:45 |
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| regXboi | and if I replace "short lived instance" with "container" ... | 19:45 |
| russellb | and how do you use neutron with containers? | 19:46 |
| regXboi | right now, I don't really | 19:46 |
| russellb | right | 19:46 |
| russellb | i'm happy to talk optimizations, just want to make sure we're optimizing the right thing is all | 19:46 |
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| regXboi | This certainly might not be the long pole in the tent (yet), | 19:47 |
| regXboi | but the key word in that sentence is "yet" | 19:47 |
| russellb | ovsdb performance is near and dear to my heart | 19:47 |
| russellb | it's pretty critical for now OVN works today | 19:48 |
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| regXboi | and both of those is part of why we are having this conversation :) | 19:48 |
| regXboi | er s/is/are/ (grammar police just kicked in) | 19:48 |
| russellb | so there's at least a couple people working on optimizations | 19:48 |
| russellb | so far it's been mostly perf improvements to ovsdb-server | 19:48 |
| russellb | also some protocol enhancements being discussed | 19:48 |
| regXboi | well then, please include this on the pile of things to consider | 19:49 |
| russellb | some of the early improvements made it into 2.4 i think | 19:49 |
| regXboi | that begs a good point | 19:49 |
| russellb | but i'm not sure how much is applicable to this or not | 19:49 |
| regXboi | I need to see which version I'm running | 19:49 |
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| russellb | i think if you want to keep looking, the next thing I'd suggest is to try to understand what the protocol exchange looks like in this case | 19:50 |
| russellb | is it that the transactions are getting bigger and bigger? | 19:50 |
| russellb | or is it just the python code getting slower because of a bigger full data set? | 19:50 |
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| russellb | could be some of both | 19:50 |
| raginbajin | Anyone have an experience with RabbitMQ starting to have issues after upgrade to Juno with neutron? as in not being able to keep up with the work and increasing the amount of unacknowledged messages or taking too long to respond to RPC messages | 19:51 |
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| regXboi | I'll take a pointer to how to produce ovsdb-server debug information... | 19:51 |
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| raginbajin | Trying to figure out what is going on in my environment right now, ever since we upgraded from icehouse to juno we are seeing a ton of Rabbitmq issues all surrounding neutron | 19:51 |
| russellb | regXboi: enabling that is probably package specific ... it's just adding "-v" to the command though | 19:52 |
| regXboi | russellb: and see what it tells me - this is a fairly easy experiment to run on under powered hardware | 19:52 |
| russellb | and actually, i think there may be an even better way ... | 19:52 |
| * regXboi is all ears | 19:52 | |
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| russellb | regXboi: searching | 19:54 |
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| regXboi | russellb: no worries - I have a meeting to run at the top of the hour, but just drop it in channel and I'll find it either with eavesdrop or scrollback | 19:54 |
| openstackgerrit | Swaminathan Vasudevan proposed openstack/neutron: Static routes not added to qrouter namespace for DVR https://review.openstack.org/228026 | 19:56 |
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| HenryG | mestery: ping about https://review.openstack.org/228271 | 19:57 |
| mestery | HenryG: Please go ahead :) | 19:57 |
| HenryG | mestery: it should go in both master and stable/liberty | 19:58 |
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| mestery | HenryG: Ack, in that case, do we need this before we release liberty? | 19:58 |
| mestery | HenryG: Either way, lets merge those into master so we can cherry-pick tham ASAP for an RC2 :( | 19:58 |
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| HenryG | mestery: It just makes backporting easier if it's in master first | 19:58 |
| mestery | armax: ^^^ | 19:59 |
| armax | HenryG: but then wouldn’t we need to change them to mitaka in master right after they have merged? | 19:59 |
| HenryG | armax: no | 20:00 |
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| armax | ok | 20:00 |
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| HenryG | armax: mitaka will get "stamped" in 6 months | 20:00 |
| armax | HenryG: makes sense | 20:00 |
| armax | HenryG: I only wondered about trunk-chasers | 20:01 |
| armax | HenryG: but maybe that doens’t apply | 20:01 |
| HenryG | armax: This patch is just tagging the alembic revision milestones for liberty | 20:01 |
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| armax | HenryG: ok, I am with you | 20:02 |
| HenryG | armax: if you pull the stable/liberty from git, these revisions will be the heads | 20:02 |
| HenryG | armax: if you pull master, then these will just be tags say where liberty was when it was released | 20:03 |
| HenryG | saying | 20:03 |
| HenryG | armax: perhaps markmcclain can take a look and confirm that I am not off my rocker :) | 20:04 |
| armax | HenryG: I wonder if it’s better to move the neutron milestone tag out the migration | 20:04 |
| armax | but let’s talk more on the patch itself | 20:04 |
| armax | HenryG: basically you’re saying 4af11ca47297_drop_cisco_monolithic_tables.py is the head of liberty | 20:05 |
| armax | etc | 20:05 |
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| HenryG | armax: yep | 20:05 |
| armax | HenryG: that’s fine, but it’s a bit hidden for my taste ;) | 20:05 |
| HenryG | armax: I can add some show command to neutron-db-manage if there is a need | 20:07 |
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| otherwiseguy | regXboi: On my machine, doing br.replace_port with native on 100 ports is ~2x faster than with vsctl+rootwrap_daemon: http://ur1.ca/nvhuv | 20:22 |
| otherwiseguy | (after commenting out the vsctl set-manager command running, anyway) | 20:22 |
| russellb | otherwiseguy: nice test | 20:22 |
| otherwiseguy | russellb: thanks. :) | 20:23 |
| otherwiseguy | russellb: the first one ended up using vsctl for both runs :p | 20:23 |
| otherwiseguy | But I mv'd ovs-vsctl out of the path to ensure that this one was working. :) | 20:24 |
| russellb | cool | 20:24 |
| otherwiseguy | If I had to guess, regXboi's test is doing things in such a way that the Connection class is getting set up multiple times or something? That first transaction is quite slow. | 20:25 |
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| otherwiseguy | And I'm not exactly sure *why* it is so slow. If I had to guess, there's some kind of off-by-one thing where we end up waiting for a second response from the ovsdb server or something. | 20:25 |
| otherwiseguy | I just don't believe it takes a couple of seconds to really set dump a nearly empty db. | 20:26 |
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| regXboi | otherwiseguy, russellb: I'm all ears for suggestions on how to run this down further, because I am (to put it bluntly) surprised by what I'm seeing | 20:28 |
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| otherwiseguy | regXboi: Do you have a write up of exactly what you are running and how? | 20:29 |
| otherwiseguy | I'd be happy to look at it and try to reproduce it. | 20:30 |
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| regXboi | otherwiseguy: I'll add it to the bug | 20:30 |
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| markmcclain | HenryG: I think having a symbolic migration point makes lots of sense | 20:34 |
| markmcclain | it makes the docs far easier | 20:34 |
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| HenryG | markmcclain: what do you mean by "symbolic migration point"? | 20:40 |
| markmcclain | ie upgrade to liberty | 20:40 |
| markmcclain | traditionally the named revisions have been no-ops to make documentation easier | 20:41 |
| armax | HenryG, markmcclain is hinting at creating a no-op migration if I understand correctly | 20:42 |
| HenryG | markmcclain: right, but now we have dozens of branches | 20:42 |
| HenryG | and revisions have to be unique | 20:42 |
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| markmcclain | the old we could create a no-op... but now we have to follow all the paths | 20:43 |
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| markmcclain | and reproduce the old functionality | 20:43 |
| markmcclain | in the new env we work in | 20:43 |
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| HenryG | I am still not sure I am following | 20:45 |
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| salv-orlando | that's just not practical anymore. We'd need to coordinate among branches sparse over a plethora of projects. Unless we find a way to enforce every project as a no-op migration to mark a release. | 20:45 |
| armax | salv-orlando: I was thinking of having a well-known place where we declare the head of the release | 20:46 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron: Adding trailing underscores to devref links https://review.openstack.org/228574 | 20:46 |
| regXboi | otherwiseguy: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1499893 note 4 | 20:46 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1499893 in neutron "Native OVSDB transation commit shows O(n) performance" [Medium,New] | 20:46 |
| armax | salv-orlando: rather than have it hidden in the migration file itself | 20:46 |
| regXboi | otherwiseguy: sorry for the delay - lots of people interrupting me | 20:47 |
| HenryG | armax: but each project would need to have its own "well known place" | 20:47 |
| armax | well, the db structure is always the same | 20:47 |
| armax | we’d need to keep the convention across the board | 20:48 |
| armax | just the same way each probject have its own contract and expand branches | 20:48 |
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| salv-orlando | so each project should keep an index of the migration ids corresponding to releases for each branch it provides? | 20:51 |
| HenryG | Why do we need these milestone tags on revisions? What about them do we need to document? | 20:52 |
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| armax | salv-orlando, HenryG: btw I added bug 1499033 to today’s agenda | 20:56 |
| openstack | bug 1499033 in neutron "Add Liberty release milestone" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1499033 - Assigned to Henry Gessau (gessau) | 20:56 |
| armax | not sure if we want to use that to continue the discussion | 20:56 |
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| salv-orlando | let's make it critcical | 20:56 |
| salv-orlando | critical | 20:56 |
| salv-orlando | just to give some sense of urgency | 20:56 |
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| salv-orlando | and make it sound more dramatic | 20:57 |
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| armax | salv-orlando: I wish there was something higher than that | 20:57 |
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| HenryG | I propose we skip the whole milestone tagging excercise from now on. Unless someone can convince me otherwise. | 20:58 |
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| amuller | Project meeting starting now in #openstack-meeting | 20:58 |
| salv-orlando | HenryG: I tend to agree with you. | 20:58 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron-vpnaas: Change ignore-errors to ignore_errors https://review.openstack.org/225770 | 21:29 |
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| hoangcx | regXboi, vikram, sc68cal and all: i have updated new ps for logging API as your expected. Please take a look at it :-) | 22:01 |
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| hoangcx | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/203509/ | 22:01 |
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