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openstackgerrit | shihanzhang proposed openstack/neutron: Check gateway ip when update subnet https://review.openstack.org/240652 | 01:59 |
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openstackgerrit | yalei wang proposed openstack/neutron-specs: Add precommit event for security group in ML2 https://review.openstack.org/240356 | 02:14 |
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openstackgerrit | IWAMOTO Toshihiro proposed openstack/neutron: Add native of_interface fullstack tests https://review.openstack.org/216991 | 02:21 |
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openstackgerrit | Mickey Spiegel proposed openstack/neutron-specs: Firewall as a Service API 2.0 https://review.openstack.org/243873 | 02:38 |
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openstackgerrit | Mickey Spiegel proposed openstack/neutron-specs: Firewall as a Service API 2.0 https://review.openstack.org/243873 | 03:07 |
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openstackgerrit | LIU Yulong proposed openstack/python-neutronclient: Add method to retrieve loadbalancer stats https://review.openstack.org/178947 | 03:28 |
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openstackgerrit | shihanzhang proposed openstack/neutron: DVR:don't reschedule the l3 agent running on copute noede https://review.openstack.org/245631 | 04:10 |
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openstackgerrit | Ritesh Anand proposed openstack/neutron: Added test cases for DVR L3 schedulers. https://review.openstack.org/188157 | 05:20 |
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[1]Thelo | Hi all, do we need to pass some testing or set up a CI before submitting a new neutron plugin? | 05:50 |
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openstackgerrit | shihanzhang proposed openstack/neutron: DVR:don't reschedule the l3 agent running on copute noede https://review.openstack.org/245631 | 06:41 |
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dasm | good morning | 06:54 |
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openstackgerrit | Sridhar Gaddam proposed openstack/neutron: Support MTU advertisement using IPv6 RAs https://review.openstack.org/244722 | 06:59 |
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reedip | amotoki:Ping | 07:00 |
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amotoki | reedip: pong | 07:03 |
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reedip | Hi amotoki | 07:06 |
reedip | amotoki: Is it possible to progress on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutronclient-adding-update-option ? | 07:07 |
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amotoki | reedip: I could not take enough time to move it forward so far. | 07:12 |
amotoki | reedip: it is better to move the discussion on gerrit. | 07:12 |
reedip | amotoki: Ok, I can do that | 07:12 |
amotoki | reedip: but IMHO there are still several points to be discussed around the compatibility with extra args (aka unknown arguments) | 07:13 |
reedip | amotoki: Could you however advice me, if it needs to be done on a bug fix, or as a Neutron Spec? | 07:13 |
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amotoki | reedip: before proposing actual changes to the existing command lines. | 07:13 |
reedip | amotoki: That can be discussed over the gerrit itself I guess | 07:13 |
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amotoki | my plan is to propose a doc patch to neutronclient gerrit. | 07:14 |
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reedip | Ohk, | 07:14 |
reedip | amotoki: Maybe I can consolidate and propose the same, and the discussion can be taken forward from there | 07:15 |
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amotoki | I am writing most of them. I wil propose some. | 07:16 |
reedip | amotoki: Is there any gerrit where such doc patches have been earlier proposed | 07:16 |
amotoki | neutronclient repo has doc/ directory already. It will be just an addition to it. | 07:17 |
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reedip | amotoki: Ok , so we can move ahead using this approach | 07:17 |
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openstackgerrit | YAMAMOTO Takashi proposed openstack/neutron: sub_projects.rst: Update midonet functionalities https://review.openstack.org/245649 | 07:22 |
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tfukushima | vikasc: ping | 07:33 |
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openstackgerrit | Bogdan Tabor proposed openstack/neutron: Switch to using neutron.common.utils:replace_file() https://review.openstack.org/232008 | 07:45 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron: Fix some reST field lists in docstrings https://review.openstack.org/244943 | 07:52 |
vikasc | tfukushima, Hi | 07:53 |
tfukushima | vikasc: Hi Vikas, sorry for the late of the IPAM spec. I was working on some internal tasks. | 07:54 |
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vikasc | tfukushima, No issues | 07:54 |
vikasc | tfukushima, I was also on off since last wednesday | 07:55 |
tfukushima | vikasc: And I found the default IPAM would just work as long as it's consistent with Neutron because you disabled the DHCP port. | 07:55 |
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tfukushima | vikasc: libnetworks gives Address and IPv6Address in the request against /NetworkDriver.CreateEndpoint and Kuryr takes care of creating the appropriate subnets from them. | 07:56 |
openstackgerrit | shihanzhang proposed openstack/neutron-specs: ml2 cross backends extension spec https://review.openstack.org/215409 | 07:56 |
vikasc | tfukushima, with built-in ipam can we give any other cidr than 172.x.y.z? | 07:57 |
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tfukushima | vikasc: --ip-range of the network command is given to the default IPAM and it uses some addresses allocated from the range. | 07:58 |
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vikasc | tfukushima, i see . got it | 07:58 |
vikasc | tfukushima, tomorrow i will be able to complete ipam driver part. | 07:59 |
vikasc | tfukushima, *by tomorrow | 07:59 |
tfukushima | So if we give --ip-range 192.168.42.0/24, the default IPAM gives 192.168.42.x for /NetworkDriver.CreateEndpoint and Kuryr creates a new subnet if it doesn't exist. | 07:59 |
vikasc | tfukushima, understood. | 08:00 |
vikasc | --ip-range is mentioning subnet pool | 08:01 |
tfukushima | vikasc: Great. We still modify it to match with the new model but at least it works in that way. Just FYI. | 08:01 |
vikasc | tfukushima, Thanks Taku for confirming and sorry for delay on my side. was busy in celebrating Diwali festival :) | 08:02 |
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vikasc | tfukushima, todays meeting will be very late for me. Not sure if i will be able to make it | 08:02 |
vikasc | tfukushima, it will be around 3 AM for me | 08:03 |
tfukushima | vikasc: Oh, sorry I was not aware your timezone. | 08:03 |
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vikasc | tfukushima, my location is India | 08:04 |
vikasc | tfukushima, will try | 08:04 |
vikasc | Japan is 3 hours and 30 minutes ahead of India | 08:05 |
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tfukushima | vikasc: I thought our meeting was 3am UTC, 12pm JST, so it should be like 8:30am in that case. I might be wrong though. | 08:07 |
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tfukushima | vikasc: "3 utc Tuesdays" https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-neutron-unplugged-track-kuryr | 08:08 |
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vikasc | tfukushima, thanks Taku. You are right. | 08:10 |
vikasc | tfukushima, its tomorrow morning. somehow i had incorrect time in mind. | 08:11 |
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vikasc | tfukushima, 8:30 am is fine for me. | 08:11 |
tfukushima | vikasc: Good. I hope you could make it. :-) | 08:12 |
vikasc | tfukushima, Definitely :) | 08:12 |
openstackgerrit | IWAMOTO Toshihiro proposed openstack/neutron: Add native of_interface fullstack tests https://review.openstack.org/216991 | 08:13 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron: Remove MidonetInterfaceDriver https://review.openstack.org/243423 | 08:48 |
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openstackgerrit | YAMAMOTO Takashi proposed openstack/neutron: sub_projects.rst: Update midonet functionalities https://review.openstack.org/245649 | 09:10 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron: Trivial fix in ml2 conf https://review.openstack.org/245547 | 09:21 |
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openstackgerrit | shihanzhang proposed openstack/neutron: Check gateway ip when update subnet https://review.openstack.org/240652 | 09:22 |
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shz | ping ajo | 09:35 |
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shz | ajo, need your help, could you give some advice for this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/243994/, I think it is a serious bug for stable liberty | 09:37 |
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todin | hi, is this tutorial still vaild for testen the bgp-dynamic-routing feature? https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/DynamicRouting/TestingDynamicRouting | 09:44 |
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ajo | shz , let me look on it | 09:46 |
itzikb | carl_baldwin: Hi, when running with the IPAM reference driver enabled I get the following http://pastebin.com/KfM3shNb when running tempest.api.network.test_ports . Any idea? | 09:47 |
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ajo | shz , can't we fix it without adding new parameters to the api? | 09:48 |
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ajo | shz , the issue is that you cannot backport those rpc changes to liberty, I think | 09:49 |
ajo | amotoki , could you look at shz patch, please: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/243994/ | 09:49 |
ajo | shz , do you know why conntrack tool takes so much time to cleanup? | 09:49 |
ajo | I was looking at the conntrack tool source code | 09:49 |
ajo | and it does only iterate over the conntrack entries, and provide a callback to delete | 09:49 |
ajo | shz , what are the exact calls to conntrack tool that take so long? | 09:50 |
ajo | do they delete a whole zone? or specific rules? target an ip address? | 09:50 |
ajo | could you give me an example? | 09:50 |
ajo | (sorry, lots of questions) | 09:50 |
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amotoki | ajo: thanks. look at it a bit later. | 09:51 |
ajo | shz : https://git.netfilter.org/conntrack-tools/tree/src/conntrack.c#n1342 | 09:51 |
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ajo | shz : https://git.netfilter.org/conntrack-tools/tree/src/conntrack.c#n2390 | 09:52 |
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ajo | I don't have an easy environment to reproduce this, but if you were able to recompile conntrack tools with debug, and run a query to do it and see where does it block | 09:55 |
ajo | that would be great | 09:55 |
ajo | tracing it with gdb | 09:55 |
ajo | may be there's some way to parallelize conntrack tool | 09:55 |
ajo | may be it's waiting for some kernel timer to expire, or something | 09:55 |
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openstackgerrit | Oleg Bondarev proposed openstack/neutron: DVR: handle dvr serviceable port's host change https://review.openstack.org/238478 | 09:59 |
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shz | ajo, l2 agent directly calling conntack command costs much time, as the use case described in bug:https://launchpad.net/bugs/1513765, a defaul sg has 100 VMs, when bulk delete, it should call 100x100 times | 10:02 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1513765 in neutron "bulk delete ports cost ovs-agent much time" [High,In progress] - Assigned to shihanzhang (shihanzhang) | 10:02 |
itzikb | pavel_bondar: hi, regarding https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1494351 - is it fixed? | 10:03 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1494351 in neutron "Observed StaleDataError in gate-neutron-dsvm-api tests if reference IPAM driver is used" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Pavel Bondar (pasha117) | 10:03 |
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ajo | shz , 100x100 across the cloud? | 10:05 |
ajo | and 100xN where N is the number of VMs in a node, right? | 10:06 |
shz | yes | 10:06 |
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ajo | shz, and conntrack tool calls are slower when you have more open connections? | 10:06 |
ajo | or that doesn't matter? | 10:06 |
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ajo | conntrack takes the same time for every call?, or it depends on the amount of open connections? | 10:07 |
ajo | I think we should look into getting conntrack optimized | 10:07 |
shz | I thinks it takes same time, but when VMs number is large, it will cost much time | 10:08 |
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garyk | itzikb: from the bugs it look like something was fixed. I have seen this issue a number of times after the bug was fixed... | 10:16 |
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itzikb | garyk: hi! :-) | 10:16 |
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mhickey | Good morning all | 10:17 |
itzikb | garyk: Did you encounter this one? | 10:17 |
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itzikb | garyk: or in the gate? | 10:18 |
garyk | itzikb: i saw it in two places: 1 gate and 2 load testing that i did | 10:18 |
garyk | itzikb: that is, the neutron service blew up when using rally | 10:19 |
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itzikb | garyk: I encountered it while running tempest network api tests | 10:20 |
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garyk | cool | 10:21 |
itzikb | garyk: Can you fix it ? :-) | 10:21 |
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garyk | itzikb: this may address it - https://review.openstack.org/223123 (i have yet to try) | 10:21 |
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itzikb | garyk: thanks , I'll check when I have a setup and ping you | 10:23 |
garyk | itzikb: gracias. much appreciated. | 10:23 |
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openstackgerrit | Ann Kamyshnikova proposed openstack/neutron: Avoid working with the transaction that has been rolled back https://review.openstack.org/230481 | 10:29 |
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wdeclercq | ping tmorin | 10:41 |
tmorin | hi wdeclercq | 10:41 |
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wdeclercq | Hey (nuage, router association bgpvpn here) , I have some issues with alembic's --autogenerate stuff. The generated migration ends up dropping all tables. did you ever encounter something like this? | 10:43 |
openstackgerrit | Kevin Benton proposed openstack/neutron-specs: Add spec for push notification refactor https://review.openstack.org/225995 | 10:45 |
tmorin | wdeclercq: not seen this on any platform yet | 10:45 |
tmorin | wdeclercq: what devstack branch are you running ? | 10:46 |
wdeclercq | just master | 10:46 |
tmorin | wdeclercq: but I didn't use autogenerate to prepare the current scripts | 10:46 |
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wdeclercq | ah, just revision --expand and fill it by hand? | 10:46 |
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tmorin | wdeclercq: you should be running devstack stable/liberty to develop on networking-bgpvpn -- this is our current target | 10:47 |
tmorin | wdeclercq: I ported by hand the script that we had before moving to the expand/contract revision structure | 10:47 |
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tmorin | wdeclercq: what files does --autogenerate generates ? | 10:48 |
openstackgerrit | Martin Hickey proposed openstack/neutron: [WIP]Automatically generate neutron core configuration files https://review.openstack.org/204206 | 10:48 |
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wdeclercq | On that mitaka devstack: alembic_migrations/versions/mitaka/contract/1f55df0b109b_add_router_association_table.py alembic_migrations/versions/liberty/expand/4578d75e2c02_add_router_association_table.py alembic_migrations/versions/liberty/expand/13efa3e71a2e_.py | 10:49 |
tmorin | wdeclercq: can you paste the xyz_x.py on paste.openstack.org ? | 10:49 |
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tmorin | or "git push" your code on your personal github so that I can have a look ? | 10:50 |
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openstackgerrit | Kevin Benton proposed openstack/neutron: Revert "Move dhcp_lease_duration into DHCP agent config options list" https://review.openstack.org/245705 | 10:53 |
wdeclercq | http://paste.openstack.org/show/478947/ -- It's not necessarily related to the bgpvpn plugin. A colleague here has the same issue with --autogenerate dropping tables it shouldn't. I guess alembic isn't finding the current model and I'm missing some sort of configuration or so. | 10:54 |
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openstackgerrit | Ann Kamyshnikova proposed openstack/neutron: Add UniqueConstraint in L3HARouterAgentPortBinding https://review.openstack.org/238122 | 10:54 |
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tmorin | wdeclercq: AFAIU, the contract branch is not mean to do downgrades, it is meant to manage the parts of upgrades that remove columns or drop tables | 10:58 |
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tmorin | wdeclercq: in practice the change for adding a router association table should not have anything under contract | 10:59 |
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tmorin | wdeclercq: I don't know why --autogenerate does the wrong thing, though... | 11:00 |
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wdeclercq | tmorin, yeah. Me neither. But if you did it without autogenerate i'll just do the same. That'll definitely work... after I changed to liberty | 11:01 |
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moshele | ajo: hi | 11:04 |
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ajo | hi moshele | 11:04 |
ajo | how're you doing? | 11:04 |
moshele | ajo: I am fine thank you :), how are you? | 11:04 |
ajo | I was talking on #openstack-nova about scheduling bits & APIs | 11:04 |
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ajo | moshele , here I am , struggling on several fronts :D | 11:05 |
moshele | ajo: yes I saw that and I just wanted to ask you if you plane to continue the qos meetings | 11:05 |
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ajo | moshele , yeah, we should probably restart those to prioritize work for this cycle | 11:05 |
ajo | moshele , can you help me put up an agenda for next one? | 11:05 |
tmorin | wdeclercq: ok, sounds good | 11:06 |
moshele | ajo: sure, also you plan to join the SR-IOV meeting | 11:06 |
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ajo | moshele , may be we can start a tiny etherpad, and share it on the ML | 11:06 |
ajo | moshele , what's the date & time for that meeting? | 11:06 |
ajo | sounds like I should :) | 11:06 |
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moshele | ajo: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#SR-IOV/PCI_Passthrough_Meeting | 11:07 |
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moshele | ajo: so we can push the scheduling part with QOS | 11:08 |
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moshele | ajo: anyway let me know how can I help, and I will do my best :) | 11:10 |
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ajo | moshele , I think, the scheduling part is the most complicated | 11:13 |
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moshele | ajo: yes I think so too | 11:13 |
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ajo | moshele , the bad part is that we're depending on nova scheduler refactors, but still, we may want to start thinking about how to define reusable APIs for neutron (and other components) so we can extend those scheduling decissions. | 11:13 |
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moshele | ajo: yes it the refactoring is only this bp https://review.openstack.org/#/c/225546/ or are there others ? | 11:14 |
ajo | moshele , I'm being pointed to to serveral things I will make a summary | 11:15 |
ajo | moshele , can you start an etherpad for a QoS meeting agenda? | 11:15 |
ajo | I will add those details there | 11:15 |
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moshele | ajo: sure | 11:15 |
moshele | ajo: I will try to send you something | 11:16 |
moshele | by the end of day | 11:16 |
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prithivm | ls | 11:29 |
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igordcard | prithivm, total 0 | 11:39 |
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vikasc | irenab, ping | 11:41 |
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irenab | vikasc: hey | 11:47 |
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vikasc | irenab, i tried to answer your queries here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241134/ | 11:48 |
irenab | sorry for holding the patch. I just want to be sure, that the dhcp=true option is supported. | 11:48 |
vikasc | irenab, dhcp option is still supported. I had discussion with Banix also regarding this. | 11:49 |
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vikasc | irenab,IMO, in some ipam approaches operators may want to enable dhcp and handle already allocated ip on their own. | 11:50 |
irenab | vikasc: great, it was just not obvious from the commit message. It seems like you had to switch the value, since it does not work. | 11:50 |
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vikasc | irenab, sorry for commit message. yes it was not working initially. | 11:51 |
irenab | vikasc: but enable DHCP means, enable neutron DHCP | 11:52 |
vikasc | irenab, yes | 11:52 |
vikasc | irenab, enabling dhcp on neutron subnet | 11:52 |
irenab | vikasc: maybe it makes more sense to set IPAM provider in the config? | 11:53 |
irenab | so if its neutron, then DHCP is enabled? | 11:53 |
vikasc | docker has --ipam-driver option to set ipam provider | 11:53 |
vikasc | irenab, i mean docker network command | 11:54 |
irenab | vikasc: just having this ‘dhcp’ config seems fragmented part of something which is not totally clear | 11:54 |
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irenab | vikasc: if docker does not specify ipam-driver, kuryr supposed to assume neutron? | 11:55 |
vikasc | irenab, no.. in that case docker provides its own built-in ipam driver | 11:55 |
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vikasc | irenab, which provides ip addresses. | 11:56 |
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vikasc | built-in ipam driver then allocates ip which is passed to kuryr | 11:57 |
irenab | vikasc: so we assume global setting of IPAM option | 11:57 |
irenab | which should be just mirrored into neutron | 11:57 |
vikasc | irenab, yes | 11:58 |
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irenab | vikasc: so just to sum-up the current state, if neutron subnet dhcp is enabled, it should work. | 11:59 |
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irenab | but the default is ‘disbaled’ | 11:59 |
vikasc | irenab, p is being allocated by default IPAM driver of libnetwork. As we dont have kuryr ipam driver at present, so we dont have any choice other than using default ipam driver, until kuryr ipam driver is not there. Earlier no ip was coming from libnetwork so ip allocation part was being handled by neutron but with built-in ipam, kuryr is honoring libnetwork request of allocated ip but built-in ipam dont have any idea that dhcp namespace has con | 12:00 |
vikasc | sumed one ip. | 12:00 |
vikasc | *consumed | 12:00 |
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vikasc | s/p/IP | 12:00 |
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vikasc | irenab, as of current state, if dhcp is enabled, builtin ipam may allocate an ip which is already taken up by dhcp port. So it will not work | 12:02 |
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vikasc | irenab, so to make it work with builtin ipam driver, dhcp needs to be disabled | 12:03 |
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irenab | so maybe what we need, is raise exception or log warning if DHCP is set to True | 12:04 |
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irenab | I want to make sure we do not leave broken window … | 12:05 |
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vikasc | irenab, in some scenarios enabling dhcp may be totally fine. Can you please explain when to log warning? | 12:07 |
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irenab | it depends if we can track the situaltion | 12:09 |
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vikasc | irenab, I will think over your suggestion. Need to leave for now. Thanks :) | 12:10 |
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irenab | vikasc: I will revisit the patch as well | 12:10 |
vikasc | irenab, I appreciate. | 12:11 |
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irenab | ajo: ping | 12:13 |
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eezhova | pc_m, Hi! Could you please remove Workflow-1 from https://review.openstack.org/#/c/240177/ ? | 13:02 |
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pc_m | eezhova: Sure, let me check... | 13:05 |
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pc_m | eezhova: done. | 13:05 |
eezhova | pc_m, thanks :) | 13:05 |
openstackgerrit | enikanorov proposed openstack/neutron: Resync L3, DHCP and OVS/LB agents upon revival https://review.openstack.org/232661 | 13:06 |
pc_m | eezhova: Just realized, we should have docimpact. | 13:06 |
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openstackgerrit | Elena Ezhova proposed openstack/neutron-vpnaas: Fix options for pluto per-peer logging https://review.openstack.org/240177 | 13:08 |
pc_m | eezhova: I think there is a bug asking for improved logging. You may want to look at 1308730 and see if this could address that bug. | 13:09 |
eezhova | pc_m, looking | 13:09 |
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eezhova | pc_m, I guess my patch can be marked as Related-Bug, as it doesn't enable debug logging for pluto, but fixes perpeer logging | 13:11 |
eezhova | pc_m, I'll add a link to the commit message | 13:11 |
pc_m | eezhova: ok. thanks. I didn't look at the bug too close. | 13:11 |
openstackgerrit | Elena Ezhova proposed openstack/neutron-vpnaas: Fix options for pluto per-peer logging https://review.openstack.org/240177 | 13:12 |
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openstackgerrit | enikanorov proposed openstack/neutron: Avoid race condition for reserved DHCP ports https://review.openstack.org/236983 | 13:17 |
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akamyshnikova | amuller, hi! | 13:26 |
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amuller | akamyshnikova: morning | 13:26 |
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akamyshnikova | amuller, are you aware of any cases when we have split brain of ha routers? I mean link is lost and router have two alive active agents? | 13:28 |
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amuller | akamyshnikova: if the host hosting the router loses connectivity to the tenant networks physnet, it will become master | 13:29 |
amuller | akamyshnikova: you could have two masters that way, and the routers don't detect the failure | 13:29 |
amuller | akamyshnikova: so they retain the VIPs, including the FIPs. If they don't also lose connectivity to the external networks, chaos will insue | 13:30 |
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amuller | akamyshnikova: you can also have the reverse failure: The host retains connectivity to the tenant networks physnet but loses connectivity to the external network | 13:31 |
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amuller | akamyshnikova: it'll remain master but VMs will lose external connectivity | 13:31 |
akamyshnikova | amuller, have you seen such things happen? Because I assume this very rare cases? | 13:33 |
amuller | akamyshnikova: I haven't personally but it can obviously happen | 13:33 |
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ZZelle | enikanorov, hi | 13:35 |
enikanorov | ZZelle: hi | 13:35 |
akamyshnikova | amuller, do you think this a valid cases for researching how to prevent this? Should we have a bug for this? | 13:35 |
ZZelle | enikanorov, about https://review.openstack.org/205631, i am not sure to understand your proposal | 13:35 |
amuller | akamyshnikova: we have a bug for the latter case: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1365461 | 13:36 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1365461 in neutron "HA router should failover if GW address is not reachable" [Low,Confirmed] - Assigned to Yoni Shafrir (yshafrir) | 13:36 |
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amuller | akamyshnikova: for the first, I'm not sure it's solvable. I remember I gave it a fair bit of thought and couldn't come up with any approach to solve it. | 13:36 |
korzen | akamyshnikova, I have seen a lot of split brains, the problem I was hitting was no connectivity on keepalived interfaces - wrong OVS config | 13:37 |
enikanorov | ZZelle: the gist of the idea is that certain networks can't be established on certain hosts. So why would not we somehow find out that kind of associations? | 13:37 |
ZZelle | amuller, hi, if you are interested we (enikanorov and i) are talking about network aware dhcp scheduler | 13:37 |
amuller | ZZelle: ack | 13:37 |
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korzen | akamyshnikova, I have also seen problem on sending the master message to neutron server | 13:38 |
amuller | akamyshnikova: korzen: Yeah the main issue with L3 HA split brain is just wrong configuration and not an actual Neutron bug | 13:38 |
ZZelle | enikanorov, not certain hosts only certain dhcp agent servers as we (neutron) are not involved in nova scheduling | 13:38 |
korzen | akamyshnikova, causing the DB to be out of sync with L3 agent | 13:38 |
enikanorov | ZZelle: but that's the same | 13:39 |
enikanorov | ZZelle: you can't have ports of network X on host Y | 13:39 |
akamyshnikova | amuller, great, thanks a lot! | 13:39 |
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akamyshnikova | korzen, wow, how do you solve this? | 13:39 |
korzen | akamyshnikova, couple of restarts of L3 agent should work ;) | 13:40 |
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akamyshnikova | amuller, by the way, give your opinion on https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1511732 when you have time :) | 13:40 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1511732 in neutron "HA router schedule for another active agent " [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Ann Kamyshnikova (akamyshnikova) | 13:40 |
ZZelle | enikanorov, indeed | 13:40 |
akamyshnikova | korzen, nice :) | 13:41 |
enikanorov | ZZelle: then why to involve agents here? To me it seems convoluted and confusing. I'd like to see something more generic | 13:41 |
korzen | I've talked to amuller in Tokyo, that there should be so kind of reinforcement mechanism to make sure the message really arived at neutron server | 13:41 |
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korzen | from my experience - the L3 Ha config is very fragile | 13:42 |
korzen | I have hit multiple times issues with master/slave router config | 13:43 |
ZZelle | enikanorov, (L2) agents are involved because it's our ML2 OVS/LB mechanism are working | 13:43 |
amuller | korzen: do you have specific reproducable issues? Did you report bugs? | 13:43 |
ZZelle | enikanorov, OVS-LB L2-agents own their configuration | 13:43 |
ZZelle | enikanorov, but the scheduler is not aware of this plugin' implementation detail | 13:44 |
korzen | amuller it was case by case basis but I have one reproducible test case | 13:45 |
akamyshnikova | korzen, this seems to be an area for improvement if it is so | 13:45 |
korzen | amuller, I did not have a time to report a bug yet | 13:45 |
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amuller | akamyshnikova: responded on the bug | 13:47 |
korzen | for example - when after network node restart, there is no connectivity between network node and server node, the L3 agent will send the master message and do not care about the fact that the server did not get it | 13:47 |
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enikanorov | ZZelle: yeah, but we're kind of modifying ml2 to get those details available to the basic scheduler. Why not to create specific scheduler to account for that case? | 13:48 |
amuller | korzen: akamyshnikova: I think an exponential backoff retry should be added to that RPC message | 13:48 |
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ZZelle | enikanorov, you are proposing to define a scheduler that is aware of ML2 internal? | 13:49 |
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korzen | akamyshnikova amuller the keepalived interfaces checker would be also nice | 13:52 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron: sub_projects.rst: Update midonet functionalities https://review.openstack.org/245649 | 13:53 |
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enikanorov | ZZelle: i'd like to see more generic solution as it would then be utilized by L3 scheduler and possibly lbaas | 13:54 |
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garyk | ZZelle: please see my comment on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245518/ | 13:55 |
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garyk | i thingk that the code will look pretty unreaable with the changes that we need fo rthe pep8 | 13:55 |
garyk | let me know what you think | 13:55 |
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korzen | amuller, can you take a look at: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/143169/59 , the DVR-HA patch is waiting a long time for second +2 ... | 13:55 |
korzen | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/143169 | 13:55 |
amuller | korzen: I know, doing my best... | 13:55 |
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amuller | korzen: It's high on my list | 13:56 |
korzen | amuller, ok, thx :) | 13:56 |
ZZelle | enikanorov, nothing disallows L3 agents to reuse it, the main trouble is perhaps that it filters an agent list instead of returning a list of valid hosts | 13:56 |
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enikanorov | i think ml2 should answer the question "can network X be on host Y" | 13:57 |
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enikanorov | ZZelle: that would look generic enough for me | 13:57 |
openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack/neutron: Fix releasenotes/../unreleased.rst https://review.openstack.org/245780 | 13:57 |
ZZelle | enikanorov, ah ok, fine for me, i will update | 13:57 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron: Switch to using neutron.common.utils:replace_file() https://review.openstack.org/232008 | 13:58 |
enikanorov | ZZelle: this can be utilized then by any scheduler | 13:58 |
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akamyshnikova | amuller, thanks! | 13:59 |
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garyk | korzen: i added some comments to the patch. | 14:03 |
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pc_m | HenryG: ping | 14:09 |
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garyk | ihrachys: please see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245705/. I am not 100% sure about this revert. But you can feel free to approve | 14:25 |
garyk | ihrachys: i guess there may be cases when a plugin uses the value and it does not have a DHCP agent. Which is legit :) | 14:28 |
garyk | but i am leaving it to you to take alook | 14:28 |
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openstackgerrit | Martin Hickey proposed openstack/neutron: [WIP]Automatically generate neutron core configuration files https://review.openstack.org/204206 | 14:32 |
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openstackgerrit | Ann Kamyshnikova proposed openstack/neutron: Add UniqueConstraint in L3HARouterAgentPortBinding https://review.openstack.org/238122 | 14:38 |
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slotti | Hey guys, I've got a question about scaling neutron with nova cells on liberty. Is there a best practice? Would it be possible to deploy a neutron-server per cell? How could i specify on which neutron I want to create a network for example? | 14:57 |
johnthetubaguy | slotti: cells + neutron doesn't work right now, at least not with the libvirt driver | 14:57 |
johnthetubaguy | slotti: cells v2 plans to support this, but there will need to the concept of IP Networks, or similar before you can do things in the same was a nova-network + cells v1 works | 14:58 |
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slotti | Oh ok, so at the moment cells would only be possible using nova-network? | 14:59 |
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slotti | johnthetubaguy: Thank you for the information! | 15:00 |
johnthetubaguy | slotti: its hard to recommend using cells v1 for a new deployment right now, its going to be a tricky migration to cells v2 + neutron (which is the future plan) | 15:01 |
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slotti | johnthetubaguy: I'm currently only into research and trying figure out everything. So it's no problem for me at the moment, but it will be a nice feature in the future i think. Thank you! | 15:05 |
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johnthetubaguy | slotti: cells v2 is the future, it should be much better around all these integrations areas (basically everyone will be doing cells by default at that point, so there is no special case logic). | 15:21 |
sc68cal | ajo: did you see my attempt at a logstash query in https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1515906 | 15:25 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1515906 in neutron "lb: TypeError: %d format: a number is required, not unicode found in linuxbridge agent log" [Low,Incomplete] | 15:25 |
ajo | sc68cal , nope, let me look :) | 15:25 |
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garyk | ZZelle: around | 15:27 |
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ajo | sc68cal not even for message:"TypeError: %d format: a number is required, not unicode" | 15:28 |
sc68cal | ajo: nope. It's possible my logstash-fu sucks, but I was able to get results for the request ID | 15:29 |
ajo | hmm | 15:29 |
sc68cal | ajo: which was in the stack trace, but not that error message | 15:29 |
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ajo | sc68cal : my kibana-fu sucks too | 15:29 |
ajo | sc68cal : it's supposed to be here | 15:30 |
sc68cal | ajo: right | 15:30 |
ajo | http://logs.openstack.org/85/193485/13/check/gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-linuxbridge/079f108/logs/screen-q-agt.txt.gz#_2015-11-12_08_45_59_502 | 15:30 |
ZZelle | garyk, back | 15:30 |
ajo | sc68cal : definitely, our kibana-fu suck | 15:30 |
ajo | XDD | 15:30 |
ajo | or logstash is broken | 15:30 |
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sc68cal | ajo: probably should see if we can find someone better at kibana to help us | 15:31 |
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ZZelle | garyk, imo, pep8 is a wrong argument: someone will change it for sure in a follow-up change and it gives a wrong example | 15:31 |
sc68cal | so either here or -infra | 15:31 |
ajo | sc68cal, yes :/ | 15:31 |
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garyk | ZZelle: ok. | 15:32 |
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openstackgerrit | Manjeet Singh Bhatia proposed openstack/neutron: WIP: Reorganize and improve l3_agent functional tests https://review.openstack.org/243331 | 15:34 |
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ljxiash | @ajo a | 15:36 |
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ajo | hi ljxiash | 15:36 |
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sc68cal | ajo: it's because it's debug level. Logstash only gets INFO+ | 15:39 |
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ajo | ah, crap | 15:39 |
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ajo | sc68cal , thanks for the info, I guess then we have no way to track it via logstash unless we introduce something to raise the level of those | 15:39 |
sc68cal | ajo: yup, thinking the same thing | 15:40 |
sc68cal | ajo: you should be in #openstack-qa btw | 15:41 |
ajo | sc68cal : joined :) | 15:42 |
ajo | thanks | 15:42 |
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openstackgerrit | Dongcan Ye proposed openstack/neutron: Add helper info for notification_driver https://review.openstack.org/245848 | 15:52 |
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openstackgerrit | yalei wang proposed openstack/neutron: Add the missing arg of RetryRequest exception in _lock_subnetpool https://review.openstack.org/243997 | 15:56 |
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openstackgerrit | Zhi Chang proposed openstack/neutron: Create default sg rules when create a sg https://review.openstack.org/245537 | 15:57 |
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openstackgerrit | garyk proposed openstack/neutron: Use DEVICE_OWNER_* for 'network:*' constants https://review.openstack.org/245518 | 16:02 |
garyk | ZZelle: ^ | 16:02 |
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openstackgerrit | Zhi Chang proposed openstack/neutron: Create default sg rules when create a sg https://review.openstack.org/245537 | 16:05 |
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openstackgerrit | Manjeet Singh Bhatia proposed openstack/neutron: Reuse constants defined in attributes https://review.openstack.org/242230 | 16:19 |
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todin | hi, is this tutorial still vaild for testen the bgp-dynamic-routing feature? https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/DynamicRouting/TestingDynamicRouting | 16:24 |
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carl_baldwin | itzikb: I cannot see the pastebin that you referenced. Says it is removed. | 16:26 |
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openstackgerrit | Ryan Tidwell proposed openstack/neutron: Add explicit address family to AddressScope https://review.openstack.org/233317 | 16:29 |
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openstackgerrit | ZongKai LI proposed openstack/neutron: fix get_ha_sync_data_for_host for non-dvr agent https://review.openstack.org/239908 | 16:45 |
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davidsha | ajo: ping | 16:50 |
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openstackgerrit | garyk proposed openstack/neutron: Remove transparent VLAN support from base plugin https://review.openstack.org/243163 | 17:07 |
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dans_ | I got this error and I didn't find anything on google about it. "TRACE neutron.agent.dhcp.agent Stderr: mount --make-shared "/var/run/netns failed": Permission denied" I'm running neutron inside of an LXC container. Anyone know how to enable support of network namespaces inside an LXC container? Thanks for the help!! | 17:17 |
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amuller | dans_: Perhaps the Kolla folks would know | 17:20 |
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dans_ | amuller: Where should I go to ask the Kolla folks? I'm not familiar with them | 17:31 |
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dasm | dans_: kolla folks have own irc channel: #kolla | 17:31 |
dasm | dans_: but also, probably, magnum folks could help you | 17:31 |
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dans_ | :) thanks a lot | 17:32 |
dasm | both projects are messing with containers. | 17:32 |
dasm | dans_: np. | 17:32 |
adam_g | any cores available to +W through a trivial? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/242775/ notification drivers are currently broken in mitaka, this fixes a trivial packaging error | 17:33 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron: Fix broken references in doc https://review.openstack.org/244672 | 17:45 |
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openstackgerrit | garyk proposed openstack/neutron: Remove transparent VLAN support from base plugin https://review.openstack.org/243163 | 17:51 |
garyk | adam_g: nothing is simple :) | 17:51 |
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garyk | adam_g: i am good with that change. lets give yamamoto a few hours to reconsider his vore. is that ok? | 17:52 |
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adam_g | garyk, sure. thanks | 17:57 |
openstackgerrit | John Belamaric proposed openstack/neutron: Add networking-infoblox sub-project https://review.openstack.org/244814 | 17:57 |
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dasm | garyk: question regarding your patchset: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/243163/5/neutron/tests/unit/extensions/test_vlantransparent.py | 18:02 |
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dasm | where are you using `create_network` method? i do not see it anywhere | 18:02 |
dasm | garyk: ok, nvm. i see it. | 18:04 |
garyk | ok. the idea that this is the plugin | 18:04 |
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dasm | garyk: yeah, i see it now. | 18:12 |
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garyk | ok. cool | 18:15 |
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dougwig | pc_m: do you have any time this week to track down some of the failures here? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/242219/ | 18:54 |
HenryG | adam_g: done | 18:56 |
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HenryG | garyk: I think yamamoto is asleep :) | 18:57 |
pc_m | dougwig: I s=hould be able to spend some time on it. I've been playing with this on my local system (with a similar repo). | 18:58 |
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pc_m | dougwig: Was going OK, until I hit some chained dependencies. | 18:58 |
adam_g | HenryG, ty! | 18:58 |
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dougwig | pc_m: that change above factors out the goo of a separate repo, so it's a little more straight-forward to test. | 18:58 |
dougwig | HenryG: ping, db/lib questions. | 18:59 |
HenryG | dougwig: sure | 18:59 |
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pc_m | dougwig: I've got some other work to do today, but can look at it tomorrow. May need some help in merging in changes (never have done the pull request stuff). | 18:59 |
dougwig | HenryG: i'd initially thought that there should be no sqla in neutron-lib, and just make fake models that are clients, but I think that doesn't fit what we need it for very well. now i'm pondering db mixins, base alembic goo, base plugin classes. opinions, other thoughts? i think pc_m has also spent some time thinking about this, any thoughts there? | 19:00 |
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dougwig | HenryG: what can we pull in and still use a library release model? where does drawing the line make sense? | 19:00 |
pc_m | dougwig: May be able to put base db model stuff in the lib. | 19:00 |
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HenryG | dougwig: as long as changes in lib never result in a db migration, you can probably get what you want | 19:01 |
dougwig | pc_m: oh, i'm sure we *can*. just where does the line make sense w.r.t. to how we release neutron and how our dependent repos use models? | 19:01 |
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pc_m | dougwig: agreed | 19:02 |
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dougwig | HenryG: hmm, i'd intuitively tend to agree. but, what do we do about a subproject that wants access to Port? a client pass-through class? Or... ? How do we get to the point of that subproject not importing neutron? | 19:02 |
dougwig | something loaded into neutron itself then calling the rest api seems... ill-advised. | 19:03 |
HenryG | dougwig: I need to think about this | 19:03 |
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dougwig | HenryG: ok, can you ponder, and ping me back when you've thought about it? | 19:03 |
Bofu2U | Apologies if I'm interrupting :P For neutron L2 with vlans, those vlans don't need internet access do they? As in on the switch, etc, level. | 19:04 |
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dougwig | Bofu2U: no worries, and no, they do not. | 19:04 |
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HenryG | dougwig: will do | 19:05 |
Bofu2U | Thank you. Just troubleshooting a etcd issue and first time I rolled this without GRE. | 19:05 |
dougwig | HenryG: ty | 19:05 |
Bofu2U | K back to the cave. :) Thanks again, dougwig. | 19:05 |
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openstackgerrit | Ryan Tidwell proposed openstack/neutron: [WIP] Add Network Availability to Host Mapping API https://review.openstack.org/245942 | 19:45 |
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openstackgerrit | Vincent Untz proposed openstack/neutron: Ensure metadata agent doesn't use SSL for UNIX socket https://review.openstack.org/245945 | 19:52 |
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regXboi | to all, anybody know what took multinode jobs to 100% failure rate starting yesterday? | 20:49 |
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openstackgerrit | Assaf Muller proposed openstack/neutron: Remove unused delete_dvr_mac_address method https://review.openstack.org/245975 | 20:50 |
amuller | carl_baldwin: haleyb: I was working on a testing doc change, and I added an example of a good unit test. That method and its test were what I chose, and then by chance I discovered that it's actually unused | 20:50 |
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amuller | carl_baldwin: haleyb: So I sent a patch to remove it, and now I have to search for another good test :( | 20:51 |
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carl_baldwin | amuller: :( | 20:55 |
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openstackgerrit | Assaf Muller proposed openstack/neutron: Remove unused delete_dvr_mac_address method https://review.openstack.org/245975 | 20:55 |
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regXboi | amuller, carl_baldwin: see my comment above - it looks like the multinode jobs are 100% failing now :( | 20:57 |
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amuller | regXboi: carl_baldwin: OK, I'll try to figure it out | 20:58 |
regXboi | amuller: yeah I'll look as well - saw it while looking for something else | 20:59 |
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openstackgerrit | Assaf Muller proposed openstack/neutron: Add fullstack testing doc content https://review.openstack.org/245982 | 21:10 |
openstackgerrit | Assaf Muller proposed openstack/neutron: Moved fullstack test doc content to TESTING.rst https://review.openstack.org/245983 | 21:10 |
openstackgerrit | Assaf Muller proposed openstack/neutron: Add content to TESTING.rst, examples, do's and don'ts https://review.openstack.org/245984 | 21:10 |
regXboi | amuller: I think it's a problem in the setup of tempest.api.compute.admin.test_live_migration.LiveBlockMigrationTestJSON | 21:11 |
amuller | regXboi: done with docs, will now look in to the multinode failure | 21:11 |
amuller | regXboi: so probably a tempest patch then | 21:11 |
regXboi | amuller: checking logstash for last 2 days | 21:11 |
amuller | regXboi: do you have a date/hour the tests started failing roughly? | 21:11 |
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regXboi | The check pipeline graph hints mid morning UTC 11/15 | 21:12 |
regXboi | so I'm looking at logstash now | 21:12 |
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kevinbenton | carl_baldwin: i can't recall why i convinced myself that the physnet bridge_mappings was not adequate to map networks to hosts for the l3 use case | 21:15 |
kevinbenton | carl_baldwin: after amuller's comment I thought it through and can't see why they aren't adeqaute | 21:16 |
kevinbenton | carl_baldwin: i left a comment after amuller's on the spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/225384/ | 21:16 |
openstackgerrit | Ryan Tidwell proposed openstack/neutron: Add explicit address family to AddressScope https://review.openstack.org/233317 | 21:16 |
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carl_baldwin | kevinbenton: I vaguely recall thinking about this but I don't remember either. | 21:17 |
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kevinbenton | carl_baldwin: think it through. if we can get by with the workflow i described i think a lot of the legwork is already done | 21:18 |
regXboi | amuller: http://logstash.openstack.org/#dashboard/file/logstash.json?query=message:%20%5C%22AttributeError:%20type%20object%20'LiveBlockMigrationTestJSON'%20has%20no%20attribute%20'admin_hosts_client'%5C%22 | 21:18 |
carl_baldwin | kevinbenton: I also remember learning about the bridge_mappings as part of this but I can't remember how they work. | 21:18 |
regXboi | shows 269 hits in the last two days | 21:18 |
regXboi | micro analysis shows they are *all* from multinode tests | 21:18 |
kevinbenton | carl_baldwin: then we can conceivably add an API to control bridge_mappings (they are all conf driven now) because that has use cases that are outside of this anyway | 21:19 |
kevinbenton | i know it's something amuller expressed interest in at one point as well | 21:19 |
kevinbenton | amuller: is that right ^ ? | 21:19 |
regXboi | amuller: 139 from gate-tempest-dsvm-multinode-full, 68 from dsvm-neutron-multinode-full, and 52 from dsvm-neutron-dvr-multinode-full | 21:19 |
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regXboi | Looks like it started 11/14 19:31:53 UTC | 21:20 |
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kevinbenton | ZZelle and I even cooked up a way to automatically migrate people that are using the deprecated external_bridge on the l3 agent if we have server-side bridge_mappings | 21:21 |
regXboi | amuller: you want to ask in -infra or should I? | 21:21 |
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openstackgerrit | Richard Theis proposed openstack/python-neutronclient: Add route options to neutron router-update https://review.openstack.org/245996 | 21:40 |
amuller | kevinbenton: yep | 21:40 |
amuller | regXboi: sorry was afk, I'll look in to it | 21:40 |
amuller | regXboi: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/233711/ | 21:42 |
amuller | regXboi: check out the last comment | 21:42 |
* regXboi reads | 21:42 | |
amuller | regXboi: and this is the fix | 21:43 |
amuller | regXboi: it's already approved | 21:43 |
amuller | regXboi: so nothing to do on our end but wait :) | 21:43 |
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regXboi | amuller: I guess I like that | 21:43 |
regXboi | but it means another lost week | 21:43 |
regXboi | because we don't have any useful statistics from the mn jobs on making them voting :( | 21:44 |
regXboi | amuller: what's the link on the fix? | 21:44 |
regXboi | that didn't come through | 21:44 |
amuller | oops | 21:44 |
amuller | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245697/ | 21:44 |
regXboi | ack | 21:44 |
regXboi | oh lord | 21:44 |
regXboi | that's got a -2 from jenkins on it | 21:44 |
Sam-I-Am | howdy folks | 21:45 |
amuller | regXboi: someone hit reverify | 21:45 |
regXboi | I see that | 21:45 |
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openstackgerrit | Rawlin Peters proposed openstack/neutron: Batch DVR ARP updates to boost performance https://review.openstack.org/239543 | 21:49 |
amuller | kevinbenton: according to my earlier conversations with the GoDaddy folks they're already using physnets as you described in the comment | 21:50 |
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amuller | kevinbenton: that's the same reason they like the physnet aware dhcp scheduler patch | 21:52 |
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amuller | kevinbenton: they commented as such on the patch | 21:52 |
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amuller | kevinbenton: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/205631/ | 21:52 |
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kevinbenton | amuller: makes sense | 21:56 |
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kevinbenton | amuller: the only issue i can think of with using different physnets to indicate this stuff occurs in a topology where VLANs are still global. | 21:57 |
kevinbenton | If each rack is a different physnet, you could end up creating two different networks associated to two racks and have them using the same VLAN | 21:58 |
kevinbenton | since we scope VLAN uniqueness to physnets | 21:58 |
amuller | kevinbenton: we do? that's new to me :) | 21:59 |
amuller | kevinbenton: so I don't understand the issue, seems pretty flexible to me | 21:59 |
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kevinbenton | However, I'm not convinced that is a real issue because, if you can send VLANs anywhere, you wouldn't be in an L3-to-Tor deployment | 21:59 |
kevinbenton | amuller: https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/plugins/ml2/drivers/type_vlan.py#L67-L70 | 22:00 |
openstackgerrit | Aishwarya Thangappa proposed openstack/neutron-specs: Firewall as a Service API 2.0 https://review.openstack.org/243873 | 22:00 |
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amuller | kevinbenton: cool | 22:00 |
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kevinbenton | amuller: right, since this is all operator driven workflow it's not like it will silently fail | 22:00 |
kevinbenton | or mess up | 22:00 |
kevinbenton | amuller: i'm just trying to think if there are any issues where restricting a physnet to a rack would limit something in a bad way | 22:01 |
kevinbenton | amuller: but i'm not coming up with much | 22:01 |
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carl_baldwin | kevinbenton: amuller: Sorry was afk, reading up. | 22:25 |
amuller | kevinbenton: my emotional response when asked to write a spec for a change: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RFYoZ7H67A&t=3m16s | 22:26 |
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kevinbenton | amuller: that feels about right :) | 22:27 |
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kevinbenton | carl_baldwin: make sure you refresh, a couple of comments just rolled in from Ryan, Kris and me | 22:27 |
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carl_baldwin | kevinbenton: "we scope VLAN uniqueness to physnets" means we can reuse the same VLAN id between physnets? | 22:29 |
kevinbenton | carl_baldwin: yes | 22:29 |
amuller | ya | 22:29 |
kevinbenton | carl_baldwin: https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/plugins/ml2/drivers/type_vlan.py#L67-L70 | 22:30 |
carl_baldwin | kevinbenton: Right, that makes it clear. | 22:31 |
ZZelle_ | carl_baldwin, yes, we can reuse them | 22:31 |
amuller | "Neutron will keep a *mapping* from Network to any number of hosts.", if that is the requirement then the scoping of segmentation IDs to a physical_network doesn't matter | 22:31 |
amuller | neutron -> physical_network -> list of hosts | 22:32 |
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amuller | sorry network -> ... | 22:32 |
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amuller | in fact why do segmentation IDs matter for this mapping anyway | 22:32 |
amuller | when do they come in to play? | 22:33 |
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carl_baldwin | amuller: My thinking was that it would be natural to reuse the segment ID between physnets in this use case. Not allowing that would've been a limitation to consider and at least document. They don't necessarily come in to play in the mapping itself. | 22:34 |
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carl_baldwin | amuller: kevinbenton: tidwellr1: My next question is around the availability of the bridge_mappings on the server side. I didn't think the server had knowledge of them. Is there already something sent to the server about them from the agent? | 22:35 |
amuller | yeah | 22:35 |
amuller | it's persisted as part of the configurations dict of each agent | 22:35 |
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amuller | I used that information in the physnet aware DHCP scheduler patch | 22:36 |
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tidwellr1 | that's a bit of a hangup, although from a usability perspective relying on bridge_mappings feels much nicer than the API we've been envisioning | 22:36 |
carl_baldwin | amuller: I should look at your DHCP aware scheduler patch. .. | 22:37 |
amuller | carl_baldwin: it's certainly tighly coupled to this discussion IMO | 22:37 |
amuller | carl_baldwin: I wouldn't want to move on that patch for now until we know what we're doing here | 22:37 |
amuller | it's also related to AZs | 22:38 |
amuller | what a mess :) | 22:38 |
tidwellr1 | :) | 22:38 |
tidwellr1 | amuller: do you have link to your physnet-aware DHCP patch? | 22:39 |
carl_baldwin | tidwellr1: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/205631/ | 22:39 |
tidwellr1 | thanks | 22:39 |
amuller | I pushed it because of the LDT | 22:39 |
amuller | we really need a cohesive story with L3 networks, physical_network tags and AZs | 22:39 |
* carl_baldwin refreshing his memory on that patch. It fell off his radar... | 22:39 | |
carl_baldwin | amuller: I'm not sure what L3 networks have to do directly with AZs or DHCP. | 22:40 |
amuller | carl_baldwin: if you look at the image linked in the commit message for the DHCP scheduler patch, it talks about the same use case | 22:41 |
amuller | and in the patch the question about AZs came up | 22:42 |
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amuller | maybe those 3 subjects are confused just in my heads, dunno | 22:42 |
* amuller just revealed that he has more than one head | 22:42 | |
carl_baldwin | amuller: I'll have a look. | 22:45 |
kevinbenton | carl_baldwin, amuller, tidwellr1: and like i mentioned above, we have other use cases to allow bridge_mappings for agents to be defined via an API | 22:45 |
amuller | kevinbenton: usability? :) | 22:45 |
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kevinbenton | amuller: yes, that's one | 22:45 |
carl_baldwin | kevinbenton: Right. If we end up going this direction, development of that API could be decoupled from the rest. | 22:45 |
kevinbenton | carl_baldwin: exactly | 22:46 |
tidwellr1 | kevinbenton: what other use cases did you have in mind? | 22:46 |
amuller | ideally I'd like us to move away from per-host conf options. Either provide an API for it or derive those options from the server via RPC | 22:46 |
kevinbenton | amuller, tidwellr1: the other is to generate a bridge mapping automatically to migrate people using the external network bridge option in the l3 agent | 22:46 |
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kevinbenton | completely unrelated to any of this | 22:47 |
kevinbenton | just another use case | 22:47 |
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carl_baldwin | kevinbenton: The L3 agent isn't really involved in this work yet. | 22:47 |
kevinbenton | carl_baldwin: this is completely separate from this work | 22:48 |
kevinbenton | carl_baldwin: i'm talking about a migration for an option deprecated in liberty | 22:48 |
carl_baldwin | kevinbenton: ok | 22:48 |
kevinbenton | carl_baldwin: it's just something that depends on a server-side bridge_mapping | 22:48 |
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carl_baldwin | amuller: I tend to think your network aware DHCP stuff mixes pretty well with this stuff. I'm still not sure where AZs come in. Still absorbing... | 22:56 |
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carl_baldwin | amuller: I'm concerned about how the mapping is persisted. Being a dict, it is pretty much opaque from a DB query point of view. | 22:57 |
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amuller | carl_baldwin: True | 22:58 |
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amuller | carl_baldwin: It's possible to change that | 22:58 |
carl_baldwin | amuller: I was just going to say that. ;) | 22:58 |
carl_baldwin | It is possible to change. I'm just thinking out loud a bit... | 22:59 |
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amuller | carl_baldwin: so, AZs are definitely worth mentioning in this context. You can group up your hosts with AZs and then schedule DHCP resources according to the network's AZ | 23:00 |
amuller | carl_baldwin: and that solves the exact problem my patch is talking about too | 23:00 |
amuller | carl_baldwin: the question is how are admins going to use Neutron AZs I suppose | 23:00 |
carl_baldwin | amuller: I don't think it solves the exact problem. Unless you conflate reachability within an AZ with a physnet. | 23:01 |
amuller | carl_baldwin: Would a Neutron AZ map 1:1 to a Nova AZ? I would imagine so, the same host would belong to the same AZ in Nova and Neutron (Using the same AZ name) | 23:01 |
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amuller | carl_baldwin: I'm saying you *can* solve the same problem (Is that correct?) | 23:01 |
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amuller | You could represent network reachability with AZs and mark your networks with that info | 23:02 |
carl_baldwin | amuller: Given certain constraints, yes. I just don't think I want those constraints. Especially if Nova AZs are conflated with Neutron AZs. | 23:02 |
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amuller | carl_baldwin: I don't know if 'conflating' nova and neutron AZs is a bad thing. Don't we want the term to mean the same thing across OpenStack? | 23:02 |
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amuller | Otherwise that's one more item to the list of things Neutron is bashed about | 23:03 |
kevinbenton | right, in which case we don't want L3 reachability to be tied to AZs | 23:03 |
carl_baldwin | That brings us to conflating Nova AZs with network reachability and L3 topology. I'm pretty sure we don't want that. I brought it up at Nova mid-cycle and it seemed clear that they didn't want it either. | 23:03 |
carl_baldwin | kevinbenton: jinx | 23:03 |
tidwellr1 | carl_baldwin amuller: just thinking out loud and taking a step back, it feels like we're conflating a Neutron network and a physnet+segmentation_id pair, and maybe that's OK | 23:04 |
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amuller | kevinbenton: carl_baldwin: Can anyone actually define what a Neutron AZ is, how would it be used, and how does that relate to Nova AZs? | 23:04 |
amuller | I understand the technical use of it | 23:04 |
amuller | group networks by a tag (AZ) and schedule routers and DHCP resources according to that | 23:04 |
carl_baldwin | amuller: I don't have much of a clue about Neutron AZs. | 23:04 |
amuller | I don't understand much else | 23:04 |
kevinbenton | amuller: i can't. that patch basically went in without me looking at it | 23:05 |
amuller | I'm concerned then, it's a very visible change to OpenStack | 23:05 |
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amuller | I don't want to get it wrong | 23:05 |
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kevinbenton | amuller: i agree | 23:06 |
kevinbenton | amuller: that's why i've been avoiding tying anything to AZs | 23:06 |
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kevinbenton | if they don't mean anything, nobody can be mad :) | 23:06 |
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kevinbenton | tidwellr1: just a network and a physnet | 23:07 |
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kevinbenton | tidwellr1: the segmentation id doesn't matter | 23:07 |
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amuller | kevinbenton: I see only the first patch was merged: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/neutron+branch:master+topic:bp/add-availability-zone,n,z | 23:08 |
kevinbenton | tidwellr1: but yes, it is slightly different since a network could technically have multiple segments | 23:08 |
tidwellr1 | kevinbenton: can you explain you're thinking on why segmentation_id doesn't matter? I'm not sure I follow.... | 23:08 |
amuller | maybe Hirofumi could explain what an AZ is :) | 23:08 |
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kevinbenton | tidwellr1: the mapping isn't a phsnet+segmentation_id pair | 23:09 |
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kevinbenton | tidwellr1: the mapping is just to physnets | 23:09 |
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kevinbenton | tidwellr1: bridge_mappings just tells us which hosts have connectivity to which physnets | 23:09 |
tidwellr1 | kevinbenton: right | 23:10 |
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tidwellr1 | kevinbenton: showing a little ignorance here I suppose, but then isn't the assumption that a segmentation_id is unique on that physnet? | 23:11 |
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carl_baldwin | So, back to kevinbenton 's question about global VLANs. If there are some VLANs that should be global and others which are local to the rack. That could be handled by defining a different physnet for the global one? | 23:11 |
kevinbenton | tidwellr1: segmentation IDs are unique on each physnet | 23:12 |
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carl_baldwin | ... then it would be up to the operator to make sure the vlan ranges don't overlap where physnets overlap. | 23:12 |
kevinbenton | tidwellr1: https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/plugins/ml2/drivers/type_vlan.py#L67-L70 | 23:12 |
tidwellr1 | kevinbenton: ok, so my understanding is correct | 23:12 |
kevinbenton | carl_baldwin: right, if someone has a global VLAN, it implies they have a physnet that spans multiple racks | 23:13 |
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amuller | kevinbenton: +1 to that last comment | 23:14 |
carl_baldwin | kevinbenton: Right. I'm just making the point that if someone wanted to do that, they'd have different "physnets" in the same switches and they'd have to manage the VLAN ranges between them. | 23:14 |
tidwellr1 | kevinbenton: so, my point is that a physnet + segmentation_id doesn't feel like it can be equated with a Neuton network, which is what the host mappings for l3networks is all about | 23:14 |
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amuller | there is only one network with a specific (physnet, seg_id) | 23:15 |
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amuller | well, one per segmentation_type | 23:15 |
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amuller | but that's besides the point | 23:15 |
amuller | tidwellr1: I'm not sure what the problem is | 23:16 |
tidwellr1 | amuller: I'm thinking out loud, and you've made the case that there isn't a problem | 23:16 |
amuller | ok | 23:16 |
amuller | tidwellr1: this is harder without hearing your tone :) | 23:16 |
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kevinbenton | tidwellr1: a segment is unique to a network | 23:16 |
openstackgerrit | Adam Reznechek proposed openstack/neutron: Update networking-powervm sub-project docs https://review.openstack.org/246029 | 23:16 |
tidwellr1 | amuller: I was only pointing out that the intention is to map hosts to a Neutron network, we should be sure that we get the same semantics out of this | 23:17 |
amuller | someone should really invent some sort of way to transmit audio across distances | 23:17 |
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tidwellr1 | amuller: +1 | 23:17 |
kevinbenton | tidwellr1: well the intention was to have a mechanism to indicate where certain networks were available | 23:18 |
tidwellr1 | kevinbenton: exactly, we're saying the same (or at least trying to) | 23:18 |
kevinbenton | tidwellr1: not necessarily to have a direct mapping from host to network. as long as we can derive it we can solve the use case | 23:18 |
tidwellr1 | kevinbenton: yes, as long as it can be derived | 23:19 |
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tidwellr1 | carl_baldwin: so https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245942/ can be abandoned? | 23:20 |
kevinbenton | tidwellr1: yes, so when you're given a network, you lookup its segments (technically a network can have multiple) and then you cross reference the physical network ones (VLAN, flat) with the bridge_mappings to get a list of hosts | 23:20 |
amuller | kevinbenton: right now to accomplish that you'll have to grab *all* agents from the agents table I think (or filtered according to the agent_type), then do server side filtering according to the bridge_mappings | 23:21 |
amuller | kinda sucks | 23:21 |
kevinbenton | amuller: right, but that's just an optimization issue after that | 23:22 |
carl_baldwin | amuller: I think we'll want to fix that. | 23:22 |
kevinbenton | amuller: we can put them into a table | 23:22 |
amuller | aye | 23:22 |
amuller | just saying | 23:22 |
amuller | one more snag is | 23:22 |
amuller | different L2 agents send that info with different keys | 23:22 |
amuller | it's fun :) | 23:22 |
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carl_baldwin | amuller: kevinbenton: I've already noted that it my draft response about storing the data in a table. | 23:22 |
amuller | I think ML2 already has an abstraction for that, lemme look | 23:22 |
amuller | yes I added that a while back, 'get_mappings' | 23:23 |
carl_baldwin | amuller: If its fun then what's the problem? ;) | 23:23 |
tidwellr1 | kevinbenton amuller carl_baldwin: forgive me for throwing you on my train of thought and making you ride along :) | 23:24 |
kevinbenton | tidwellr1: no prob | 23:24 |
amuller | carl_baldwin: When I was visiting Tokyo disney I was thinking, man I wish I was debating weird Neutron design issues | 23:24 |
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carl_baldwin | amuller: shh. I'm trying to think. Can't be distracted by food. | 23:29 |
amuller | carl_baldwin: going out for dinner, cya :) | 23:29 |
carl_baldwin | amuller: :P | 23:30 |
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kevinbenton | amuller: ttyl | 23:33 |
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carl_baldwin | amuller: Have a nice dinner | 23:34 |
amuller | thank you, talk to you tomorrow everyone | 23:34 |
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