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tmartins | Guys, I'm trying to evaluate Neutron 8.0.0~b1 on Ubuntu Xenial, but I'm seeing the following error on neutron-db-manage: http://paste.openstack.org/show/482920/ - Any clue? | 06:41 |
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openstackgerrit | Oleg Bondarev proposed openstack/neutron: Fix get_subnet_for_dvr() to return correct gateway mac https://review.openstack.org/262574 | 08:02 |
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openstackgerrit | Wenxin Wang proposed openstack/neutron: radvd prefix configuration for DHCPV6_Stateful RA https://review.openstack.org/262962 | 12:04 |
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openstackgerrit | LiuNanke proposed openstack/neutron: Using LOG.warning replace LOG.warn https://review.openstack.org/262257 | 12:54 |
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openstackgerrit | LiuNanke proposed openstack/neutron: Using LOG.warning replace LOG.warn https://review.openstack.org/262257 | 13:13 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron: dhcp: Default to using local DNS resolution https://review.openstack.org/192712 | 13:34 |
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openstackgerrit | vikram.choudhary proposed openstack/neutron: BGP Dynamic Routing: introduce BgpDrScheduler model https://review.openstack.org/207607 | 13:46 |
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openstackgerrit | vikram.choudhary proposed openstack/neutron: Add BGP Dynamic Routing DB Model and Basic CRUD https://review.openstack.org/201621 | 14:42 |
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openstackgerrit | vikram.choudhary proposed openstack/neutron: Add Queries For BGP Route Lookups https://review.openstack.org/242192 | 15:00 |
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openstackgerrit | vikram.choudhary proposed openstack/neutron: Add L3 Notifications To Enable BGP Dynamic Routing https://review.openstack.org/241062 | 15:18 |
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openstackgerrit | vikram.choudhary proposed openstack/neutron: BGP Dynamic Routing: introduce BgpDrScheduler model https://review.openstack.org/207607 | 15:40 |
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openstackgerrit | vikram.choudhary proposed openstack/neutron: BGP Dynamic Routing: introduce BgpDrAgent https://review.openstack.org/207625 | 15:50 |
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openstackgerrit | vikram.choudhary proposed openstack/neutron: BGP Dynamic Routing: introduce BgpDriver https://review.openstack.org/207635 | 16:01 |
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openstackgerrit | vikram.choudhary proposed openstack/neutron: [WIP] Add BGP Callback and RPC Call implementations https://review.openstack.org/216994 | 16:10 |
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openstackgerrit | LiuNanke proposed openstack/neutron: Using LOG.warning replace LOG.warn https://review.openstack.org/262257 | 17:09 |
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openstackgerrit | LiuNanke proposed openstack/neutron: Using LOG.warning replace LOG.warn https://review.openstack.org/262257 | 17:55 |
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openstackgerrit | LiuNanke proposed openstack/neutron: Using LOG.warning replace LOG.warn https://review.openstack.org/262257 | 18:15 |
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mspreitz_ | I'd like to back-port a fix to the Neutron scripting in DevStack to stable/liberty. What is the procedure for that? | 21:56 |
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Sam-I-Am | so... its a devstack patch? | 22:00 |
mspreitz_ | Sam-I-Am: yes, it is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/242721/ | 22:02 |
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Sam-I-Am | i just do something like 'git checkout -b libery/backport/### remotes/origin/stable/liberty' then 'git pull' then 'git review -X ###' then push it for review | 22:04 |
mspreitz_ | @Sam-I-Am: thanks, I'll give it a try | 22:05 |
Sam-I-Am | if it doesnt merge nicely you'll have to mess with it | 22:05 |
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mspreitz_ | Sam-I-Am: the `git pull` did nothing. See https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/buMCvYjIaa | 22:08 |
Sam-I-Am | it doesnt need to | 22:08 |
mspreitz_ | OK. So at this point I do the mod that I want to back-port, right? | 22:09 |
Sam-I-Am | git review -X 242721 is next | 22:09 |
Sam-I-Am | its a cherry pick | 22:09 |
mspreitz_ | Sam-I-Am: are you saying that if I simply do `git review -X 242721`, this will apply the change I want to back-port? | 22:10 |
Sam-I-Am | yeah, once you have a branch from stable/liberty | 22:11 |
Sam-I-Am | it'll try to apply it | 22:11 |
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mspreitz_ | Sam-I-Am: OK, there was indeed a merge conflict, and I have resolved it. I now have the desired change committed but not yet pushed. | 22:18 |
mspreitz_ | Sam-I-Am: For regular development, I use `git review` to push for review. Do I do the same in this case? | 22:19 |
Sam-I-Am | yep | 22:19 |
Sam-I-Am | make sure you added whatever file was in conflict | 22:19 |
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mspreitz_ | Sam-I-Am: yes, it looks all good. Thanks for the clues. | 22:21 |
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Sam-I-Am | np | 22:21 |
mspreitz_ | Anyone interested in reviewing it can see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263065/ | 22:21 |
mspreitz_ | BTW, what IRC channel would be the best way to reach DevStack people? | 22:21 |
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Sam-I-Am | maybe openstack-dev | 22:23 |
Sam-I-Am | possibly -infra | 22:23 |
Sam-I-Am | someone will see it in their queue | 22:23 |
mspreitz_ | OK, I'll refrain from pestering. | 22:24 |
Sam-I-Am | my devstack backport took a week or so | 22:24 |
mspreitz_ | ugh | 22:24 |
mspreitz_ | BTW, my merge conflict fix picked up part of another fix (all the parts are independent, this is not a functional problem). Is there a way to navigate from the other commit (https://github.com/openstack-dev/devstack/commit/ada886dd43ccc07f48d3a82d8d3d840fe5096c03) to the bug or review? | 22:26 |
Sam-I-Am | the original commit would have to include a bug id, if there was one | 22:27 |
mspreitz_ | Yes. I found a way to navigate, by editing finding another URL with a change ID in it and editing it | 22:28 |
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Sam-I-Am | mspreitz_: cool. | 22:32 |
Sam-I-Am | mspreitz_: seems like you and i talked a bit about bug #1529444 | 22:33 |
openstack | bug 1529444 in openstack-manuals "networking guide does not explain what OVS version 2.1 is needed for" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1529444 - Assigned to Matt Kassawara (ionosphere80) | 22:33 |
Sam-I-Am | mspreitz_: sort of made that connection from your list post about backporting | 22:33 |
mspreitz_ | right, it's all related, I am trying to succeed with DevStack and neutron --- no success yet! | 22:34 |
Sam-I-Am | anything in particular or just a stock install? | 22:35 |
mspreitz_ | I would love to get to something specific to my real interests, but so far it looks like just following the first simplest documented scenario does not work. | 22:35 |
Sam-I-Am | the docs for devstack+neutron are kind of meh | 22:36 |
mspreitz_ | I am trying to do exactly as described in the devstack with neutron guide. | 22:36 |
Sam-I-Am | i sort of keep a localrc around that actually works | 22:36 |
mspreitz_ | Yes, the reality seems to be that everybody does that. | 22:36 |
Sam-I-Am | wish i had time to fix those docs | 22:36 |
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Sam-I-Am | this might be handy - https://github.com/mestery/openstack-scripts/tree/master/devstack/control | 22:37 |
mspreitz_ | The problem is that if I do much modification to get where *I* want to go, the magic spell that I copied from someone else stops working. | 22:37 |
Sam-I-Am | where do you want to go? | 22:37 |
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mspreitz_ | My interests have varied over time. Right now I really would settle for a working multi-node install with Neutron using MLS, OVS, using VXLANs for tenant networks. | 22:39 |
mspreitz_ | s/MLS/ML2/ | 22:39 |
Sam-I-Am | have you made a single-node work | 22:39 |
mspreitz_ | Actually LinuxBridge would be better than OVS | 22:39 |
mspreitz_ | No, not even single node yet. | 22:39 |
Sam-I-Am | i use lb a lot, so my localrc bits are mostly lb | 22:39 |
Sam-I-Am | i can paste one if you want | 22:40 |
mspreitz_ | Thanks, that would be nice. | 22:40 |
Sam-I-Am | sc68cal and i are trying to fix a lot of lb things | 22:40 |
mspreitz_ | oh, you are implying there is a lot that doesn't work | 22:40 |
Sam-I-Am | lb works. its just a bit behind in terms of features and testing. | 22:42 |
Sam-I-Am | http://paste.openstack.org/show/482924/ | 22:42 |
Sam-I-Am | thats from one i deployed a couple of weeks ago | 22:42 |
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Sam-I-Am | 10.5.11.11 is the host's IP and vxlan1050 is a host-based vxlan interface that i use as a hack around public cloud networking limitations (mac filtering) | 22:43 |
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mspreitz_ | Sam-I-Am: I assume the comment about lb0 and lb1 is junk? | 22:44 |
Sam-I-Am | its probably from the original script | 22:46 |
mspreitz_ | Sam-I-Am: so this is a 1-node install, with 1 NIC on that node, and it's my problem to make sure that the network interface named in $LB_PHYSICAL_INTERFACE exists before running stack.sh --- right? | 22:46 |
Sam-I-Am | you can tell lb to use some ethernet interface, ideally one that isn't your management interface | 22:46 |
mspreitz_ | So it's really two NIC | 22:47 |
mspreitz_ | The $LB_PHYSICAL_INTERFACE and the regular one used for everything else | 22:47 |
mspreitz_ | right? | 22:47 |
mspreitz_ | Or is it 1 NIC, all on $LB_PHYSICAL_INTERFACE ? | 22:47 |
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mspreitz_ | I guess you are saying it is two NIC | 22:48 |
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Sam-I-Am | its easier if you have 2 nics, but you can make it work with 1 | 22:48 |
mspreitz_ | So the $LB_PHYSICAL_INTERFACE will be used for some Neutron stuff, everything else on eth0. | 22:49 |
Sam-I-Am | yeah, its where your provider/ext net bridge will bind | 22:49 |
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Sam-I-Am | you can create a veth pair with one end on eth0, call the other end eth1, and use eth1 as the lb physical interface | 22:50 |
mspreitz_ | The fact that your $LB_PHYSICAL_INTERFACE has "vxlan" in its name is just a coincidence, not connected to your choice of VXLAN for tenant networks, right? | 22:50 |
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Sam-I-Am | coincidence. i run host-based vxlan networks among all of my lab nodes to work around public cloud network limitations. | 22:51 |
mspreitz_ | got it. thanks. | 22:51 |
Sam-I-Am | i have a 'jump box' of sorts at the other end of those veth pairs that handles nat/routing | 22:51 |
Sam-I-Am | is this in the cloud? | 22:51 |
Sam-I-Am | s/veth pairs/vxlans | 22:53 |
Sam-I-Am | trying to multitask football :) | 22:53 |
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mspreitz_ | Yeah, that's an occupational hazard today. | 22:55 |
Sam-I-Am | broncos are just killing me | 22:55 |
mspreitz_ | Right now I am using virtual box VMs on big lab machines, so I can mock up exactly the "physical" infrastructure described in the docs. | 22:55 |
Sam-I-Am | ooo real hardware :) | 22:56 |
Sam-I-Am | i havent had access to that in eons, so i got creative with cloud servers | 22:56 |
mspreitz_ | Yes. My ultimate interests are in using infrastructure that can be either virtual or real, I need to cover several scenarios. | 22:56 |
Sam-I-Am | two interfaces should work nicely - one for mgmt, one for neutron networks. vbox needs to allow promisc mode on the vm's interface on the neutron network. | 22:57 |
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mspreitz_ | I think with the fix I just back-ported, the documented scenario might work. I am going to try that next, I would be very gratified to have some documentation that is known to work. | 22:57 |
Sam-I-Am | sort of like the install guide describes | 22:57 |
Sam-I-Am | (not the devstack install guide) | 22:58 |
Sam-I-Am | a little docs goes a long way :) | 22:58 |
Sam-I-Am | if only i could find the time to get to all the problems | 22:58 |
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Sam-I-Am | trying to sort the list of tasks by priority returns the same order :/ | 22:58 |
mspreitz_ | Personally I think it is very misguided to neglect the devstack documentation, this presents a barrier to enlarging the tribe. | 22:59 |
Sam-I-Am | for a long time (and i think i wrote this in the bug comments), devstack just defaults to nova-net | 22:59 |
Sam-I-Am | the changes to make it work nicely with neutron are mostly in the neutron gates, so unless you go diving, you dont find it | 22:59 |
mspreitz_ | yes, and for a long time we have been fighting to get everything onto Neutron, right? | 23:00 |
Sam-I-Am | yep | 23:00 |
Sam-I-Am | i'm not sure where that battle stands | 23:00 |
mspreitz_ | I know how I want it to end, so that's where I am aiming. | 23:00 |
Sam-I-Am | i think gate jobs for other projects might use neutron, but devstack itself doesn't | 23:00 |
Sam-I-Am | does it end in docs? | 23:00 |
Sam-I-Am | i think we ought to write up two common devstack+neutron scenarios... ovs and linuxbridge. | 23:01 |
mspreitz_ | I mean I want to see Neutron success, including documentation for DevStack with Neutron that works | 23:01 |
Sam-I-Am | yep | 23:01 |
mspreitz_ | Yes, I think both OVS and LinuxBridge should have working documentation. | 23:02 |
Sam-I-Am | question is what architecture do we choose... something super minimal (single-node, one interface) or something that's more realistic (single node w/ two interfaces + ability to add more nodes) | 23:04 |
Sam-I-Am | or just document all the things | 23:04 |
Sam-I-Am | a lot of the issues we see with released features come from insufficient testing in more realistic environments | 23:04 |
Sam-I-Am | hence why multi-node gating is important | 23:04 |
mspreitz_ | I hope and suspect the doc for devstack with neutron can be modular | 23:04 |
Sam-I-Am | for example, dvr on a single node doesn't do anything. | 23:04 |
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mspreitz_ | Start with the simplest scenario, then describe variations. Exhibit complete local.conf for each covered scenario. | 23:05 |
Sam-I-Am | btw, if you want to mess with linuxbridge in particular - openstack-ansible can simulate a multi-node deployment on a single host using container affinities. | 23:05 |
Sam-I-Am | somewhere on my list is hacking OVS into openstack-ansible, but time. time... | 23:06 |
Sam-I-Am | and eventually OVN | 23:06 |
mspreitz_ | I have started learning Ansible, but have not looked into openstack-ansible yet | 23:06 |
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Sam-I-Am | its pretty slick. you can do dev work on it, but its not ephemeral like devstack | 23:07 |
Sam-I-Am | plus emulating multi-node deployments | 23:07 |
mspreitz_ | All good, to my ears | 23:07 |
mspreitz_ | except maybe the "emulating" part. I want real multi-node deployments. | 23:07 |
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mspreitz_ | by "real" I mean something relative, it doesn't matter whether the machines are real or virtual | 23:08 |
Sam-I-Am | the emulating thing isnt too bad. it runs neutron agents in separate containers which simulates multiple network nodes. | 23:09 |
mspreitz_ | The way I see it, deploying OpenStack is adding a layer of virtual infrastructure on top of some given infrastructure --- which could itself be real or virtual, you don't really care. | 23:09 |
Sam-I-Am | but real multinode >> * | 23:09 |
Sam-I-Am | real multinode using VMs on infra you control is easier than VMs on someone else's infra. | 23:10 |
Sam-I-Am | hence why i have to use host vxlan networks | 23:10 |
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Sam-I-Am | i'm not going to do any performance testing here, thats for sure. but its fine for making sure features actually work in practice, and documenting how to make them work outside of some notes for devstack (which is another problem) | 23:10 |
mspreitz_ | Yeah, most virtual networks have an uncomfortable set of restrictions, for those of us who want to do general systems engineering on them. | 23:11 |
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Sam-I-Am | i have a doc around here somewhere for doing multi-node openstack testing in the rax cloud | 23:11 |
mspreitz_ | I suppose I should qualify that --- it is virtual networks that you get from somebody else that have restrictions | 23:12 |
mspreitz_ | Being mainly in the provider game myself, I understand why. | 23:12 |
Sam-I-Am | the only thing i can't get around is MTU testing | 23:13 |
Sam-I-Am | and that needs a lot of work, imo | 23:14 |
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Sam-I-Am | theres some things gating just doesnt sufficiently test | 23:14 |
mspreitz_ | There are a lot of sharp edge there, for sure. Been cut more than a few times. | 23:15 |
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Sam-I-Am | i do a lot of front-line support in #openstack and see people extremely frustrated with things that work in theory (like mtu) | 23:16 |
Sam-I-Am | other things might work, but the deployment instructions are only for devstack and operators have a lot of trouble trying to make it work on a real deployment | 23:16 |
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Sam-I-Am | the networking guide needs a lot of love | 23:18 |
Sam-I-Am | oh my, a fifth turnover by the broncos | 23:18 |
Sam-I-Am | one of these season i might have a game i can just relax while watching | 23:18 |
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mspreitz_ | BTW, here is another conundrum I am facing regarding Neutron and DevStack ---- when I am using OVS and ubuntu (necessarily 14.04): which version of OVS to use, and where to get the built .debs for it? | 23:26 |
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Sam-I-Am | thats a good question. i havent messed with devstack+ovs in a while, but you might try adding the cloudarchive liberty repo to your base 14.04 install and see what happens | 23:27 |
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Sam-I-Am | or you could try devstack on a newer rel of ubuntu. i think it would work. | 23:28 |
Sam-I-Am | also, some of these might work - https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas?name_filter=openvswitch | 23:29 |
Sam-I-Am | but i havent tried them | 23:29 |
Sam-I-Am | some docs for this would also be nice | 23:30 |
Sam-I-Am | whether its install a backport on 14.04 or use a newer release of ubuntu... something | 23:30 |
mspreitz_ | OpenStack does not work on Ubuntu 15.04 and 15.10. I have tested it. | 23:30 |
mspreitz_ | s/OpenStack/devStack/ | 23:30 |
Sam-I-Am | ew, what breaks? | 23:30 |
mspreitz_ | Ugh, now I don't remember exactly. I suggested documenting this non-functionality, but was told that there is anti-interest in documenting what does not work. | 23:31 |
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Sam-I-Am | is it just networking thats broken? e.g., some kernel or OVS bits | 23:33 |
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mspreitz_ | sorry, I do not remember. | 23:33 |
* Sam-I-Am adds another thing of list of things to test | 23:33 | |
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Sam-I-Am | cool, you even included my misspelling in your post :/ | 23:35 |
Sam-I-Am | note to self - do not irc while bronco-ing | 23:35 |
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mspreitz_ | oh, sorry, didn't notice the mispelling | 23:38 |
Sam-I-Am | no big deal :) | 23:39 |
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Sam-I-Am | i need an easy game to watch | 23:39 |
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Sam-I-Am | two reversed touchdown calls | 23:41 |
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mspreitz_ | Now here is another question about mechanics: now that I have a change under review, is there a way I can get the changed stable/liberty devstack on one of my VMs on a lab machine --- without putting my private credentials in that VM? | 23:46 |
Sam-I-Am | you can apply the patch manually, or use a fork | 23:47 |
mspreitz_ | (I mean aside from the obvious copying from my development machine to the VM) | 23:47 |
mspreitz_ | My question is, can I use git to fetch anything onto the VM? | 23:47 |
Sam-I-Am | i forked openstack-ansible for these sorts of things | 23:48 |
mspreitz_ | I would prefer to not put my private credentials on a VM on a lab machine | 23:48 |
Sam-I-Am | ssh just needs a pubkey | 23:50 |
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mspreitz_ | huh? `git fetch ssh://mspreitz@review.openstack.org:29418/openstack-dev/devstack refs/changes/65/263065/1` failed with "Permission denied (publickey)" | 23:50 |
mspreitz_ | I need my VM to hold my private key, for that to work. | 23:51 |
Sam-I-Am | i have a bogus key i use for my lab boxes | 23:51 |
Sam-I-Am | think thats how i made it work | 23:51 |
mspreitz_ | At this point I guess it is easier to just copy. I'll revisit later if I need something better. | 23:52 |
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Sam-I-Am | i think i did the patch work on a box with real creds, pushed my changes to a fork on github, and then used 'bogus' creds on my VM to check out that branch | 23:53 |
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Sam-I-Am | its easier with project reviews - https://github.com/mestery/openstack-scripts/blob/master/devstack/control/local.conf.linuxbridge#L38 | 23:55 |
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