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| openstackgerrit | Ann Taraday proposed openstack/neutron: WIP Enginefacade test flavor https://review.openstack.org/391308 | 08:04 |
| jianghuaw | hi, would someone help to look into this ML thread: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-October/106373.html | 08:04 |
| jianghuaw | It's to resolve a rootwrap problem for XenServer. | 08:04 |
| jianghuaw | thanks for any comments. | 08:05 |
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| huanxie | Hi, could you help review my patch that fixing conntrack problem when neutron network is used with XenServer https://review.openstack.org/#/c/341304/ Thanks a lot:) | 08:51 |
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| kevinbenton | zzzeek: ping | 13:12 |
| zzzeek | hey | 13:12 |
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| zzzeek | kevinbenton: ^^ | 13:13 |
| kevinbenton | zzzeek: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/391308/ | 13:14 |
| zzzeek | kevinbenton: saw that thoug havent looked yet | 13:14 |
| kevinbenton | zzzeek: wondering if i could get your opinion on us adding a new context manager to automate this process of re-adding the object to the outer session | 13:14 |
| kevinbenton | zzzeek: because we use that pattern everywhere of using the DB object after the commit is done to construct the API response | 13:15 |
| zzzeek | kevinbenton: is this a pattern i told you to use, because it looks awful | 13:16 |
| zzzeek | kevinbenton: is this from the "popualte_Existing" discussion | 13:16 |
| kevinbenton | zzzeek: no, it's just what Ann found she had to do to avoid getting detached instance errors in the make_flavor_dict function | 13:17 |
| zzzeek | kevinbenton: intuitively I would expect that the session inside the block should be the same one outside the block | 13:18 |
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| zzzeek | kevinbenton: but i dont understand how context.session exists outside the block unless it is assumed that this method is always called inside of another block/decorator | 13:19 |
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| kevinbenton | zzzeek: i don't think it does assume a session exists | 13:20 |
| kevinbenton | zzzeek: and in most cases create_flavor will be called in an existing session | 13:21 |
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| zzzeek | kevinbenton: but then context.session.add(obj) would fail | 13:21 |
| kevinbenton | zzzeek: but it doesn't seem to be failing :) | 13:21 |
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| pester | kevinbenton: hi kevin, my congratulations with community award, can you clear for me is it planned/implemented for neutron to support DHCP-Relay with Ironic ? | 13:22 |
| kevinbenton | zzzeek: https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/context.py#L128-L135 | 13:22 |
| zzzeek | kevinbenton: yeah that's wrong | 13:22 |
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| kevinbenton | pester: what do you mean dhcp relay in this case? | 13:23 |
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| kevinbenton | zzzeek: what part is wrong? | 13:23 |
| kevinbenton | zzzeek: automatically making a session? | 13:23 |
| zzzeek | kevinbenton: overriding what enginefacde already does | 13:23 |
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| kevinbenton | zzzeek: that's to support all of the existing cases of "with context.session.begin()" | 13:25 |
| kevinbenton | zzzeek: from what i can tell | 13:26 |
| pester | kevinbenton: in mitaka ironic support only direct connected networks for DHCP (they use flat physical network), so, the question is - how to implement it with several L2 domains using DHCP-Relay | 13:26 |
| zzzeek | kevinbenton: OK so that is interim logic then. if this is all interim, it will all go away later | 13:26 |
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| kevinbenton | zzzeek: that is interim logic, but the use of a DB object outside of the session to construct the response likely won't be interim | 13:26 |
| zzzeek | kevinbenton: it means two transactions are in use. you want to share the object between two transactions | 13:27 |
| zzzeek | kevinbenton: which is something we need to do sometimes but for very specific reasons | 13:27 |
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| njohnston | Sam-I-Am: ping | 13:32 |
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| Sam-I-Am | njohnston: moo | 13:32 |
| njohnston | Sam-I-Am: I am wondering if I did something wrong with the networking guide. I have the fwaas scenarios included in the 'misc' section: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/openstack/openstack-manuals/master/doc/networking-guide/source/misc.rst | 13:34 |
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| njohnston | oh, never mind, it must have been a cached version, it appears now | 13:35 |
| njohnston | never mind! | 13:35 |
| Sam-I-Am | weird | 13:35 |
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| kevinbenton | zzzeek: still there? (sorry, got pulled away for a bit) | 13:50 |
| zzzeek | kevinbenton: yes | 13:50 |
| kevinbenton | zzzeek: was reading your comment here | 13:50 |
| kevinbenton | zzzeek: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/391308/3/neutron/db/flavors_db.py@115 | 13:50 |
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| kevinbenton | zzzeek: the extend_dict functions called by make_flavor_dict have historically been called after a commit | 13:51 |
| kevinbenton | zzzeek: if we move make_flavor_dict inside of the session, that semantic will change | 13:52 |
| zzzeek | kevinbenton: yes. depends on what you're trying to do | 13:52 |
| zzzeek | kevinbenton: this is a function. if you make the dict, then return, the outside world doesnt get it til the transaction was commited | 13:53 |
| zzzeek | kevinbenton: if _make_flavor_dict doesnt mutate any DB state or outside state, shouldnt matter | 13:53 |
| zzzeek | kevinbenton: if it does, like changes settings outside, then yes you'd want your commit first | 13:53 |
| kevinbenton | zzzeek: it shouldn't make changes | 13:53 |
| zzzeek | kevinbenton: here's the thing. committing a transaction doesnt mean the session vanishes and all the objects disappear. that is just what the facade decorator isdoing at the moment | 13:54 |
| kevinbenton | zzzeek: yeah, and that doesn't seem to fit well with our current usage of the objects | 13:54 |
| zzzeek | kevinbenton: but also, if context.session is already here, that implies you're already inside of a different transaction. that's the part where this isn't working, at least if neutorn moves to enginefacade fully. the whle point of enginefacde is, "no implcit transactions springing up suddenly", they are all demarcated | 13:55 |
| zzzeek | kevinbenton: i think it does, because this method is still not clear. is there a transaction in play when we enter it? is context.session already a pending transaction? it's not clear | 13:55 |
| zzzeek | kevinbenton: this is the thing. you cannot talk to a relational database without a transaction being in play | 13:55 |
| zzzeek | that's not a SQLAlchemy thing | 13:56 |
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| kevinbenton | zzzeek: what do you mean you 'think it does' | 13:56 |
| kevinbenton | zzzeek: what i mean is that we call response construction functions a lot outside of the transaction | 13:57 |
| kevinbenton | zzzeek: with an sqlalchemy object | 13:57 |
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| kevinbenton | zzzeek: and if i understand you correctly you're saying that's exactly what enginefacade is designed to disallow | 13:58 |
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| zzzeek | kevinbenton: "i think it does" means, the code as existing has lots of ambiguity that enginefacade would clear up | 13:58 |
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| zzzeek | kevinbenton: in this case, if _make_flavor_dict does not change anything, it can be called on the object within the transaction after it has been flushed, and only returned from the function after the commit has actually happened | 14:00 |
| kevinbenton | zzzeek: it iterates relationships | 14:00 |
| zzzeek | kevinbenton: that's fine | 14:00 |
| kevinbenton | zzzeek: how can it query the DB for them? | 14:01 |
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| kevinbenton | zzzeek: i mean the relationship won't be populated automatically will it? | 14:01 |
| zzzeek | kevinbenton: oh. no, and now it soudns like you are saying you want something else | 14:01 |
| zzzeek | _make_flavor_dict() returns ORM objects with unloaded relationships? or it just *uses* them to make a dictioanry? i dont understand | 14:02 |
| kevinbenton | zzzeek: it uses them to construct a dictionary | 14:02 |
| zzzeek | kevinbenton: OK and are there any ORM objects in the dictionary? | 14:02 |
| kevinbenton | zzzeek: no | 14:02 |
| kevinbenton | zzzeek: but the thing we are passing in is an ORM object | 14:02 |
| kevinbenton | zzzeek: https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/db/flavors_db.py#L52-L62 | 14:03 |
| zzzeek | kevinbenton: then it should work fine to call upon _make_flavor_dict inside of your writer block | 14:03 |
| kevinbenton | zzzeek: right, i think in this case we can change the semantics since flavors don't support extensions | 14:03 |
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| kevinbenton | zzzeek: the issue is that things like ports are extendable | 14:03 |
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| zzzeek | kevinbenton: the only reason _make_flavor_dict would behave differently is if you are expecting some other proces to race in after your trnsaction and change things before _make_flavor_dict has a chance to load things, which seems weird | 14:04 |
| kevinbenton | zzzeek: what may happen is that the thing being called decides to query the database for other info | 14:05 |
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| kevinbenton | zzzeek: in which case it would use a different session | 14:05 |
| zzzeek | kevinbenton: why does it use a different session ? | 14:05 |
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| kevinbenton | zzzeek: it's not passed the context :( | 14:05 |
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| zzzeek | kevinbenton: oh. OK so let me review. an extension may have its own _make_flavor_dict method where it is passed the ORM object that is linked to a particualr Session, however when they interrogate it for information and use that information for their own purposes, they make their very own SQLAlchemy Session() entirely separate from the one which the ORM object is already bound towards ? | 14:06 |
| kevinbenton | zzzeek: that is possible | 14:07 |
| kevinbenton | zzzeek: here is the make_port_dict | 14:08 |
| kevinbenton | zzzeek: https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/943c9e4e8f457acbf1a2232946dc9e221642812a/neutron/db/db_base_plugin_common.py#L178-L196 | 14:08 |
| zzzeek | kevinbenton: correct approach would be they receive the object and they merge() it into their local session | 14:08 |
| kevinbenton | zzzeek: the problematic call is _apply_dict_extend_functions | 14:08 |
| kevinbenton | zzzeek: people can jam arbitrary logic in there | 14:08 |
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| zzzeek | kevinbenton: do they say, "session = Session() ; session.begin() " ? | 14:08 |
| kevinbenton | zzzeek: but frankly i'm comfortable just breaking funky use cases and doing the merge() | 14:08 |
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| kevinbenton | zzzeek: so we can move forward with these things being done in the transaction | 14:09 |
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| zzzeek | kevinbenton: sure | 14:09 |
| kevinbenton | zzzeek: it's just going to slow down our adoption i think | 14:10 |
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| zzzeek | kevinbenton: I'm fine if you want to stick w/ technical debt just mark it as such :) | 14:14 |
| zzzeek | that is, dont invent framework patterns to paper over debt :) | 14:15 |
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| kevinbenton | zzzeek: yeah, i think we'll just have to do case-by-case | 14:16 |
| kevinbenton | zzzeek: move as many as possible right into the transaction | 14:16 |
| kevinbenton | zzzeek: then an ugly NOTE for the others with the session.add approach | 14:16 |
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| zzzeek | kevinbenton: yeah im trying to think how SQLA or anthing else could have been designed that this whole confusion didn't happen | 14:16 |
| zzzeek | kevinbenton: why not put a context manager in neutron to automate it, that is, just not in oslo.db. | 14:17 |
| zzzeek | kevinbenton: in SQLA, the whole "autocommit" vs. "not" thing, that was because the Session started out having the "implcit transaction" thing, e.g. it made all these mistakes directly in the beginning | 14:18 |
| zzzeek | hence we have this "begin()" vs. not thing | 14:18 |
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| zzzeek | kevinbenton: i guess the session sohuld have been, you always have to call begin(), and if you dont, it fails :) but then ppl would just write frameworks to do that for you :) | 14:20 |
| zzzeek | intuition tells me there's no real solution but not sure | 14:20 |
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| HenryG | zzzeek: Any idea when the old enginefacade will be removed? In other words, how much time do we have to adapt to the new one? | 15:02 |
| zzzeek | HenryG: likely forever :) | 15:03 |
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| zzzeek | HenryG: there's no hurry on oslo.db's end :) obv once everyone is off of it totally, then we can remove it | 15:03 |
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| HenryG | zzzeek: thanks | 15:04 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron: Make README less verbose and to the point https://review.openstack.org/391543 | 20:17 |
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| openstackgerrit | Armando Migliaccio proposed openstack/neutron: Fix specs broken link https://review.openstack.org/391557 | 21:40 |
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| openstackgerrit | Brian Haley proposed openstack/neutron: DVR: Fix race condition in creation of fip gateway https://review.openstack.org/385617 | 21:44 |
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| maticue | Hi! one question: let's supose that on neutron-server service you declare two config files (--config-file plugin.ini --config-file openvswitch_agent.ini) with the same config blocks ([ml2] and [ml2_type_vlan]). From which of those two config file will load the configuration? | 21:51 |
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| Sam-I-Am | iirc they sum together | 21:51 |
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| maticue | Sam-I-Am, ok, and what if both blocks have the same option names with different values? | 21:57 |
| Sam-I-Am | good question. i'd say the last one rules. | 21:59 |
| Sam-I-Am | but i havent run into that | 21:59 |
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| maticue | Sam-I-Am, thank you! I'll test it | 22:00 |
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| manjeets | Sam-I-Am, hi question regarding stoping neutron services through library function from devstack plugin ? | 22:21 |
| manjeets | is there any to stop all services related to it or just disable services one at a time ? | 22:22 |
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| Sam-I-Am | you cant stop a service from the api. that's a host-level thing. | 22:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | you can disable them though | 22:23 |
| manjeets | Sam-I-Am, not from api, I mean via devstack plugin during unstacking or cleaning | 22:25 |
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| manjeets | more specifically for testing upgrades shutting down and then upgrading | 22:26 |
| Sam-I-Am | you can usually do that from within the screens | 22:28 |
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| manjeets | thanks Sam-I-Am | 22:58 |
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