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| kevinbenton | otherwiseguy: and i'll respin it when i get home | 00:01 |
| otherwiseguy | hmm, maybe not. I get an exception when starting instantiating a BaseOVS via schemahelper but it has no errno. | 00:01 |
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| otherwiseguy | ihrachys, what are you doing approving patches this late? :p | 03:42 |
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| openstackgerrit | Henry Gessau proposed openstack/neutron master: Eliminate lookup of "resource extend" funcs by name https://review.openstack.org/409555 | 03:42 |
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| otherwiseguy | and HenryG working late too... | 03:42 |
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| HenryG | otherwiseguy: These days neutron is a "hobby", not work. | 03:43 |
| HenryG | otherwiseguy: How are things? | 03:44 |
| otherwiseguy | ihrachys, now I *really* have to get the downstream packaging for ovsdbapp done... | 03:44 |
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| otherwiseguy | HenryG, Pretty good. Mostly just doing ovsdbapp stuff lately. You? (/me looks up Operation Pig Birstle) | 03:45 |
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| HenryG | otherwiseguy: The operation has to do with paint brushes. | 03:46 |
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| HenryG | I am applying a new coat of paint to that corner of neutron. | 03:47 |
| otherwiseguy | I saw mixin removal and was immediately happier without even reading further. :p | 03:47 |
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| HenryG | otherwiseguy: For pay I am working on non-open source cloud stuff these days. Not much python, so I come here occasionally when I get withdrawals. | 03:52 |
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| otherwiseguy | HenryG, what language you doing primarily these days? | 03:55 |
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| HenryG | otherwiseguy: go | 03:56 |
| otherwiseguy | I keep looking for some excuse to write something in Rust. | 03:56 |
| otherwiseguy | I go through some toy examples every now and then, but nothing fun yet. About the same with go. | 03:57 |
| otherwiseguy | You like it? | 03:57 |
| HenryG | I do, although some things about it annoy me still. But as I get more familiar with it they become less annoying. | 04:00 |
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| otherwiseguy | HenryG, Well, nice talking to you--I'm going to bed. :) | 04:08 |
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| vks1 | ihrachys: hi | 04:37 |
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| johnthetubaguy | kevinbenton: we should catch up about the Nova <-> Neutron bits sometime, I think we missed the window in Nova due to spec freeze, but it would be good to get the API in place in neutron | 08:32 |
| kevinbenton | ataraday: hey, can you take a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/449831/26/neutron/db/migration/alembic_migrations/versions/pike/expand/2b42d90729da_qos_add_direction_to_bw_limit_rule_table.py | 08:33 |
| kevinbenton | ataraday: IIRC we had some tool for getting those names before, didn't we? | 08:34 |
| kevinbenton | johnthetubaguy: so pike is already cooked? | 08:34 |
| kevinbenton | johnthetubaguy: on the nova side | 08:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, its exceptions only at this point | 08:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | this would not be a bad exception mind | 08:34 |
| kevinbenton | johnthetubaguy: which one? :) | 08:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah... I was thinking generally the Nova <-> Neutron interaction improvements | 08:35 |
| kevinbenton | johnthetubaguy: IIRC we had a few things | 08:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 08:35 |
| kevinbenton | johnthetubaguy: multiple port bindings | 08:35 |
| kevinbenton | switching to os-vif objects | 08:35 |
| kevinbenton | expressing capabilities for vif types | 08:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | we never can agree the ordering on those | 08:36 |
| kevinbenton | and the compare and swap update on API | 08:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 08:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | so... I am tempted to combine compare and swap and the multiple port bindings | 08:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | like that would give a single new vs old path | 08:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | super tempting to have that new API do the proposed os-vif negotiation too | 08:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | but that feels like a crazy mountain of a new API | 08:37 |
| kevinbenton | interesting, i viewed the compare and swap as really isolated since it's just setting a revision number in the existing port update call | 08:37 |
| kevinbenton | compare and swap will just sort of start working on all neutron APIs (once it merges) | 08:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | but we need an old and new code path on our side, for old and new neutron | 08:37 |
| kevinbenton | if you set an http header | 08:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | I guess the old ones just ignore it | 08:38 |
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| kevinbenton | yeah, worst case you always set the If-Match-Header | 08:38 |
| openstackgerrit | Dongcan Ye proposed openstack/neutron master: Add network_id in segment check log https://review.openstack.org/458395 | 08:38 |
| kevinbenton | and then Neutron just starts to protect you from Pike forward | 08:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | so... I could be hoodwinked into calling that one a bug fix | 08:38 |
| kevinbenton | yeah, i was thinking that same thing | 08:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | I would love to fix that silly race of booting two instances with the same port | 08:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | feels very... unsafe right now | 08:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I am sold on that one being very separate | 08:39 |
| kevinbenton | ok | 08:39 |
| kevinbenton | so for the others | 08:39 |
| kevinbenton | we have now experienced an acute cutback on contributors | 08:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, did you see the original os-vif spec btw? | 08:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, same for us, honestly | 08:40 |
| kevinbenton | johnthetubaguy: that's in the library of alexandria isn't it? | 08:40 |
| kevinbenton | :) | 08:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | heh | 08:40 |
| kevinbenton | johnthetubaguy: let me give you our priorities really quick | 08:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | kevinbenton: sounds good | 08:41 |
| kevinbenton | johnthetubaguy: the multiple port bindings has become higher priority than the os-vif stuff at the moment | 08:41 |
| kevinbenton | johnthetubaguy: because from what we can tell, it's a blocker for all kinds of migrations | 08:42 |
| kevinbenton | johnthetubaguy: iptables firewall -> ovs firewall | 08:42 |
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| kevinbenton | johnthetubaguy: neutron ovs implementation -> OVN | 08:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah... yes | 08:42 |
| kevinbenton | johnthetubaguy: linux bridge -> SR-IOV, etc | 08:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | live-migrate beteen wire compat plugins | 08:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | thats a big deal | 08:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I am ++ that | 08:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | I should get this on the VM & BM forum session actually | 08:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think as people want OpenStack for vendor lock-in, thats crazy important | 08:43 |
| kevinbenton | johnthetubaguy: yeah, basically this one spec will just open up live migration as a migration path between essentially anything | 08:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, wibble IP routing | 08:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | but thats solvable I suspect in 80% of cases | 08:44 |
| kevinbenton | right | 08:44 |
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| kevinbenton | assuming your network topology is friendly | 08:44 |
| kevinbenton | :) | 08:44 |
| kevinbenton | but from my undestanding we can also get volunteer help based on it solving migration stuff as well | 08:45 |
| kevinbenton | so if multiple port bindings is not accepted nova side yet, i would like to put our weight behind the exception for that one | 08:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I think if we can get the spec straight before the forum, I have a cunning plan to make that possible | 08:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | it seems like something that could get voted as high priority by folks at the forum | 08:47 |
| kevinbenton | sounds good | 08:47 |
| johnthetubaguy | so... there is a bit of a dependency on the refactoring I have up that no one wants to review because it hurts their brain too much | 08:47 |
| johnthetubaguy | actually thats more a routed network scheduling thing | 08:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | I can't remember how important it is for cells right now, I think it might be really quite important | 08:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | ... so context on that quickly | 08:48 |
| kevinbenton | what is it blocking? | 08:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 08:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | when you schedule, you pick a host | 08:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | right now... | 08:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | you then write the instance record in the cell DB, now you know the host | 08:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | you go to the host | 08:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | now you do the binding | 08:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | ... boom it fails because we are dumb-ass and picked the wrong host, or whatever | 08:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | old world: | 08:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | we would retry on a new host | 08:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | new world: | 08:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | we are going to kill retries between hosts | 08:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | ... so here is the plan | 08:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | we move the binding *before* we write into the cell DB | 08:50 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so if it fails, we can pick a new host | 08:50 |
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| johnthetubaguy | kevinbenton: does that make any sense? | 08:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | text is hard | 08:51 |
| kevinbenton | johnthetubaguy: right | 08:51 |
| kevinbenton | so i was under the assumption | 08:51 |
| kevinbenton | that for the multiple binding spec we would bind before move for the 'inactive' binding | 08:52 |
| kevinbenton | then if that fails you can keep picking other hosts | 08:52 |
| kevinbenton | without any actual migration taking place until it succeeds | 08:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | thinking that through | 08:53 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, so none of that changes here | 08:53 |
| johnthetubaguy | this is really about the first boot | 08:53 |
| openstackgerrit | cheng proposed openstack/neutron master: Add disable-snat fields to auto allocated topology https://review.openstack.org/457433 | 08:54 |
| johnthetubaguy | it should make the first boot and the move more similar, we bind in the nova-conductor | 08:54 |
| johnthetubaguy | (we also get neutron credentials out of nova-compute, possibly) | 08:54 |
| kevinbenton | johnthetubaguy: right | 08:55 |
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| kevinbenton | so code path for first boot | 08:55 |
| kevinbenton | would be sort of like preparing for migration | 08:55 |
| kevinbenton | well compute would presumably need credentials to always flip a binding to active after migration, right? | 08:56 |
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| johnthetubaguy | kevinbenton: we can do that on the conductor again, in theory | 09:04 |
| kevinbenton | makes sense | 09:04 |
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| johnthetubaguy | kevinbenton: but I think there are other dumb things where its still needed anyways, that a more aspirational thing | 09:04 |
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| johnthetubaguy | kevinbenton: I will try take a look at that multi-binding spec, do you have something drafted up for the neutron side yet? | 09:08 |
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| openstackgerrit | Lucas Alvares Gomes proposed openstack/ovsdbapp master: Ignore .testrepository and editor(s) files https://review.openstack.org/458777 | 09:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | kevinbenton: if it helps this was the cinder API for attachment (we need the "active" concept for bindings as well, otherwise its similar) http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/cinder-specs/specs/ocata/add-new-attach-apis.html | 09:10 |
| openstackgerrit | Cedric Savignan proposed openstack/networking-bgpvpn master: Add constants for bgpvpn_tests https://review.openstack.org/458778 | 09:11 |
| ataraday | kevinbenton, will reply on the review | 09:11 |
| kevinbenton | johnthetubaguy: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/309416 | 09:11 |
| kevinbenton | johnthetubaguy: stuff has already started landing | 09:11 |
| kevinbenton | johnthetubaguy: but it would be good for you to review because we just lost the primary contributor | 09:12 |
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| kevinbenton | johnthetubaguy: so now would be as good a time as any to make drastic changes | 09:12 |
| kevinbenton | ataraday: thx | 09:12 |
| openstackgerrit | Alin Balutoiu proposed openstack/neutron master: Replace subprocess.Popen with CreateProcess on Windows https://review.openstack.org/458109 | 09:13 |
| openstackgerrit | Alin Balutoiu proposed openstack/neutron master: Monkey patch the os and thread modules on Windows https://review.openstack.org/458110 | 09:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | kevinbenton: I did not know that had landed, my bad | 09:13 |
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| johnthetubaguy | kevinbenton: so I did the most superficial spec review in the world, but the overall shape is what I expected to see, looks good | 09:14 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kevin Benton proposed openstack/neutron master: Skip DHCP agent query in provisioning block setup https://review.openstack.org/452009 | 09:26 |
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| kevinbenton | ataraday: thanks for your comment, if you could let us know which you think is better that would be good | 09:43 |
| ataraday | kevinbenton, oops, sorry I forgot to add this :( | 09:43 |
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| kevinbenton | ataraday: no prob | 09:46 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/ovsdbapp master: Ignore .testrepository and editor(s) files https://review.openstack.org/458777 | 09:53 |
| openstackgerrit | Mathieu Rohon proposed openstack/networking-bgpvpn master: Add net-bgpvpn.conf to config file read by neutron https://review.openstack.org/458796 | 09:59 |
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| kzaitsev_ws | I have a couple of question about setting up SRIOV ports and using SRIOV in neutron | 10:36 |
| kzaitsev_ws | I've set up everything in accordance to https://docs.openstack.org/ocata/networking-guide/config-sriov.html more or less =) | 10:37 |
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| kzaitsev_ws | the vm gets scheduled to the right host, but fails to launch and initialize correctly | 10:37 |
| kzaitsev_ws | long story short — I believe the relevant error message in the logs is | 10:38 |
| kzaitsev_ws | qemu-kvm: -device vfio-pci,host=02:10.4,id=hostdev0,bus=pci.0,addr=0x4: vfio: error, group 1 is not viable, please ensure all devices within the iommu_group are bound to their vfio bus driver. | 10:38 |
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| kzaitsev_ws | I'm using intel I350 nic for sriov | 10:40 |
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| kzaitsev_ws | I would appreciate if anyone has any insight on what I can do to make it work. I've done a lot of experiments, but with little success. | 10:41 |
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| kzaitsev_ws | or if you guys would be able to direct me somewhere =) | 10:42 |
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| otherwiseguy | ihrachys, ^ is breaking the networking-ovn gate. it hasn't passed tests yet (I will be really irritated if I messed up that simple of a patch) | 13:24 |
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| ihrachys | otherwiseguy, is it breaking, or is it fixing? :) | 13:30 |
| ihrachys | I will have a look later | 13:30 |
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| otherwiseguy | ihrachys, yes :p | 13:30 |
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| slaweq | ataraday: hello, I answered to Your comment in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/449831/26/neutron/db/migration/alembic_migrations/versions/pike/expand/2b42d90729da_qos_add_direction_to_bw_limit_rule_table.py | 13:33 |
| slaweq | ataraday: can You check it? | 13:33 |
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| ihrachys | otherwiseguy, ok you won a lottery ticket, +2 | 13:35 |
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| otherwiseguy | ihrachys, wow, such faith! | 13:43 |
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| matrohon_ | hi | 15:06 |
| openstackgerrit | Lucas Alvares Gomes proposed openstack/networking-ovn master: Uses Transaction from ovsdbapp https://review.openstack.org/458872 | 15:07 |
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| matrohon_ | the bgpvpn gate is currently broken | 15:08 |
| matrohon_ | I wonder if any change in neutron is involved | 15:08 |
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| otherwiseguy | kevinbenton, (or any other person with +2) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/458841/ has one +2 and is needed to fix the networking-ovn gate. | 15:09 |
| matrohon_ | unit tests brakes when run simultaneously, but when failing tests one by one, they are all ok... | 15:10 |
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| matrohon_ | it looks like the database cleanup is not accurate | 15:10 |
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| matrohon_ | is bgpvpn the only service that has this kind of issue? | 15:11 |
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| matrohon_ | can anybody tell me how to show debug outputs from neutron while running UT? | 15:16 |
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| matrohon_ | otherwiseguy, ihrachys, kevinbenton ^ | 15:16 |
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| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack/neutron-specs master: Allow fetching of hostkeys from ports https://review.openstack.org/456394 | 15:18 |
| ihrachys | matrohon_, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/456332/ | 15:19 |
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| matrohon_ | ihrachys, great, hopefully it will merge soon | 15:21 |
| ihrachys | matrohon_, maybe it won't | 15:21 |
| ihrachys | matrohon_, it seems like it blows up the size of logs | 15:21 |
| ihrachys | otherwiseguy, so now update me on what's the solution you seek | 15:21 |
| matrohon_ | can't we have it on demand? I remember the OS_DEBUG=True which was convenient | 15:22 |
| ihrachys | otherwiseguy, is it configure options at global level? | 15:22 |
| ihrachys | or Lucas' patch? | 15:22 |
| ihrachys | or both (I think it doesn't make sense) | 15:22 |
| otherwiseguy | lucasagomes and I are currently disagreeing about that. :) | 15:22 |
| ihrachys | I see Lucas' patch (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/458835) timed out in functional, which I wonder if related | 15:22 |
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| lucasagomes | ihrachys, I think both works | 15:23 |
| otherwiseguy | ihrachys, To me, it makes sense to call ovs_conf.register_ovs_agent_opts() in whatever file you happen to use an ovs agent opt. | 15:23 |
| lucasagomes | I just feel a bit worred in calling register_opts in multiple times | 15:23 |
| otherwiseguy | (which is what we do currently in neutron) | 15:23 |
| lucasagomes | I think config options should be register before we starting important many modules | 15:23 |
| lucasagomes | because they could be used in decorators for example | 15:24 |
| lucasagomes | so registering it after the fact is bad from | 15:24 |
| lucasagomes | form* | 15:24 |
| lucasagomes | otherwiseguy, but I'm alright going with ur approach if we already do it in other parts of the code | 15:24 |
| ihrachys | yeah I think there was some despise for the global registrations. but yeah, we do that | 15:24 |
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| otherwiseguy | currently do it in ovs_lib and anything that imports neutron.plugins.ml2.drivers.openvswitch.agent.common.config | 15:25 |
| ihrachys | we definitely do that, consider neutron/common/config.py | 15:25 |
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| otherwiseguy | In the end, all I really care is that the gate gets fixed. :) | 15:25 |
| lucasagomes | so let's merge otherwiseguy's patch since it's already +2 | 15:25 |
| lucasagomes | fix the gate | 15:25 |
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| lucasagomes | and eventually we can fix the config registration | 15:26 |
| ihrachys | yea | 15:26 |
| lucasagomes | it seems to be a separated problem anyway | 15:26 |
| lucasagomes | ihrachys, you good with it ? | 15:26 |
| ihrachys | + | 15:26 |
| lucasagomes | right on | 15:26 |
| * lucasagomes abandons his patch | 15:26 | |
| ihrachys | and the timeout is suspicious itself to hold it | 15:26 |
| lucasagomes | right | 15:26 |
| ihrachys | thanks folks now it makes sense to me | 15:26 |
| ihrachys | ajo, can you https://review.openstack.org/#/c/458841 ? | 15:27 |
| lucasagomes | ty for reviewing it | 15:27 |
| ihrachys | otherwiseguy, are you already working on RDO packaging for ovsdbapp? ;) | 15:27 |
| ihrachys | I know you haven't seen it coming that quick | 15:27 |
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| otherwiseguy | lucasagomes, the reason yours times out is that it is no longer a global connection, so every single instance of ovs_lib.BaseOVS creates its own connection object and therefor copy of the OVSDB in memory. So for testing, literally 1000s of times. | 15:29 |
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| lucasagomes | otherwiseguy, yeah, we probably need a to have the instance in a global var | 15:30 |
| lucasagomes | and check it when get_connect() is called | 15:30 |
| lucasagomes | if not set, instantiate it, otherwise just return the already existing connection | 15:31 |
| otherwiseguy | lucasagomes, I recognize it, because I actually originally had code similar to yours. And my computer had to be powered off. :D | 15:31 |
| otherwiseguy | (when I ran tests) | 15:31 |
| lucasagomes | lol | 15:31 |
| otherwiseguy | oom-killer tried its best, but yeah...it was pretty funny. | 15:32 |
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| lucasagomes | I can figure | 15:32 |
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| otherwiseguy | at the time, i was *really* angry. luckily I wasn't working on anything in /tmp--which for some reason I have done before | 15:33 |
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| otherwiseguy | and actually, not literally 1000s, it seems like there was a connection limit around 300 connections or something where ovsdb-server would just not accept connections and everything would just stop. anyway, it was a mess. | 15:36 |
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| openstackgerrit | Lucas Alvares Gomes proposed openstack/networking-ovn master: Fix unit/functional tests related to Neutron ovsdbapp use https://review.openstack.org/458821 | 15:37 |
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| openstackgerrit | Drew Thorstensen (thorst) proposed openstack/neutron master: Router should flip to standby if all L3 nodes down https://review.openstack.org/458814 | 15:47 |
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| armax | mordred: ping | 15:48 |
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| mordred | armax: heya! | 15:58 |
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| armax | hi | 15:58 |
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| armax | I was trying to understand your rationale a bit better on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/456394/ | 15:59 |
| armax | but it looks like you missed my last comment on PS1 | 15:59 |
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| mordred | armax: oh - piddle - lemme go look real quick | 16:00 |
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| armax | mordred: well we can talk here as well :) | 16:02 |
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| armax | I am simply trying to understand how the attack would be perpetrated without the host-key verification you’re proposing | 16:03 |
| mordred | armax: yes! I think that we should in fact - that was I can rope clarkb to joining us ... but more typing is coming | 16:03 |
| * clarkb is around | 16:03 | |
| armax | and whether there’s a much simpler precaution that can be put in place to add more buggy code to the mix ;) | 16:03 |
| mordred | armax: ok - so - the thing is that the hostkey is part of the handshake in establishing the secure channel. when you first connect, the host sends its hostkey. you then use that public key to encrypt your message to the server, which contains your public key that is used for authentication | 16:03 |
| armax | *rather than add | 16:03 |
| armax | correct | 16:04 |
| armax | but with key-based authentication | 16:04 |
| armax | the private key stays with the client | 16:04 |
| mordred | this is all very similar to ssl for web requests - you either need a trusted third party CA or you have to out of band trust the cert that the server presents to you | 16:04 |
| armax | how would the MITM be able to get hold of it? | 16:04 |
| mordred | yes. the private keys do | 16:04 |
| mordred | but if there is a MITM and you have not previously accepted the key from your actual server | 16:04 |
| armax | so the actual authentication fails, right? | 16:04 |
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| mordred | nope, not about auth | 16:04 |
| armax | right | 16:04 |
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| armax | the establishment of the secure channel is compromised | 16:05 |
| mordred | then you will encrypt your message to the MITM with the MITM host key, which the MITM can then read | 16:05 |
| mordred | and the MITM can use it to decrypt the payload, then send the payload to the real server | 16:05 |
| armax | but then the MITM can’t go much further | 16:05 |
| armax | can he/she? | 16:05 |
| mordred | sure it can | 16:05 |
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| mordred | it can do everyting it needs to do to snoop on all of the interactions | 16:05 |
| clarkb | it can even impersonate the end point as well | 16:06 |
| mordred | yup | 16:06 |
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| clarkb | that new unicode url attack is a case where that could happen | 16:06 |
| clarkb | (really easily so go disable punycode rendering in your browser) | 16:06 |
| armax | it was my understand that with key-based authentication a MITM would be a lot harder to accomplish | 16:07 |
| armax | otherwise what’s the advantage over password-based auth? | 16:08 |
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| mordred | (one sec, getting reference to point to) | 16:08 |
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| clarkb | armax: the advantage is that the secret is much more secure because you always control it | 16:13 |
| armax | well, by your argument, not really :) | 16:13 |
| clarkb | armax: with password based auth you are handing your password out and is in fact more vulnerable to this exact attack | 16:13 |
| clarkb | armax: if you mitm'd someone doing password auth you could grab their password then log into anything that accepted that password | 16:13 |
| clarkb | which is not the case when using key auth | 16:14 |
| armax | honestly I am not an expert in this area, but I was reading this http://www.gremwell.com/ssh-mitm-public-key-authentication | 16:14 |
| armax | clarkb: right, that’s my point | 16:14 |
| armax | with host-based auth | 16:14 |
| armax | sorry | 16:14 |
| armax | key-auth | 16:14 |
| armax | how would the mitm proceed? | 16:15 |
| armax | I’ll dig a bit more, now I am getting curious ;) | 16:15 |
| mordred | ah - so. | 16:16 |
| mordred | sorry ... | 16:16 |
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| mordred | armax: it took me a second to re-find the hole :) | 16:16 |
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| mordred | armax: the problem exists precisely because the public key you use to authenticate via ssh is, in fact, public - it's not secret (you can find mine here: https://launchpad.net/~mordred/+sshkeys | 16:17 |
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| armax | mordred: agreed | 16:17 |
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| mordred | so if you use the hostkey to establish the secure channel with the MITM, the next thing the MITM does is encrypt a challenge to you with your public key | 16:17 |
| armax | right | 16:17 |
| mordred | and you respond having decrypted it, proving you are who you say you are | 16:17 |
| mordred | _that_ can be passthrough from the real host to you - because it's not the security of the channel or subsequent traffic encryption | 16:18 |
| mordred | the traffic encryption is done via the hostkey | 16:18 |
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| mordred | so the MITM pings the real host, the real host issues a challenge, the MITM passes the challenge to you, you answer it, it passes your answer back to the real host an dnow you're authenticaed | 16:18 |
| armax | I see | 16:19 |
| mordred | and the subsequent traffic is going over a channel that the MITM can read | 16:19 |
| armax | in that case, then I am sold | 16:19 |
| armax | :) | 16:19 |
| armax | thanks for educating me | 16:20 |
| mordred | now - there is some stuff in the article you posted that I want to dig in to more on to verify | 16:20 |
| sdague | mordred: oh, did you find a path forward that didn't involve the console logs? | 16:20 |
| mordred | (it's also a nice article - but I may have to sick fungi on it) | 16:20 |
| mordred | sdague: yah - I realized it's a network operation, not a server operation | 16:20 |
| sdague | yep | 16:20 |
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| sdague | I thought we brought that up in tokyo actually | 16:20 |
| mordred | sdague: and the problem is actually "I need a trusted network channel to be able to verify a thing on the other side of the network" | 16:21 |
| sdague | yeh | 16:21 |
| mordred | sdague: we may have, in fact - but in tokyo nova-network was still a thing | 16:21 |
| mordred | so it would have needed to have been exposed in nova anyway because of parity | 16:21 |
| mordred | waiting, it turns out, was the right choice :) | 16:21 |
| sdague | mordred: maybe, I think we'd have given you a pass | 16:21 |
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| armax | mordred: I think my confusion stemmed from the fact that I thought the attacker wouldn’t be able to cheat key based authention | 16:24 |
| armax | but if that’s the case, then we’re toast anyway | 16:24 |
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| sdague | armax: the attacker can jump in the middle though and get you to log in | 16:24 |
| armax | but yeah, if the attacker doesn’t need to get hold of the private key, then game over | 16:24 |
| sdague | and have you run a command that involves passwords | 16:25 |
| mordred | sdague: right- that's what the post says can't do | 16:25 |
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| sdague | mordred: no, not log into your real server | 16:25 |
| sdague | log into a totally fake and different serve | 16:25 |
| armax | sdague: I see | 16:25 |
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| armax | sdague: you mean totally faking the authentication in the real server altogether? | 16:26 |
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| sdague | they can honeypot you. You'll probably figure it out before too long | 16:26 |
| sdague | but real stuff might have been lost before then | 16:26 |
| armax | and thus seeing what the client might do, like ssh-ing into other boxes via password based auth? | 16:26 |
| armax | agreed | 16:26 |
| armax | that makes sense | 16:26 |
| mordred | armax: thanks for the challenge - I love double checking assumptions and making sure they're solid! | 16:27 |
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| sdague | also... thing get more dicey if you have ssh agent | 16:27 |
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| armax | mordred: I never doubted you were onto something, I only wanted things to be a bit more clear on the specs for the less security verse as I am :) | 16:27 |
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| sdague | because if you ssh-agent to an untrusted host, it can use that agent forwarding to try to connect back to you as yourself | 16:27 |
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| mordred | armax: :) -- I think maybe I should write even more words into the spec | 16:28 |
| clarkb | sdague: which is why you shouldn't ssh -A and use confirmation on key use :) | 16:28 |
| mordred | sdague: yah - which is one of the reasons we have that ^^ in the infra root guidelines ) | 16:28 |
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| armax | mordred: it would be nice for future readers, but don’t feel compelled to do that | 16:29 |
| sdague | clarkb: sure, but it is another reason for host checking | 16:29 |
| armax | :) | 16:29 |
| armax | I am pretty clear now | 16:29 |
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| sdague | clarkb: and agent forward is damn handy for git clone of rw git repos onto cloud nodes | 16:30 |
| armax | ultimately, this isn’t down to getting access to the cloud server, but just into getting the client to potentially reveal sensitive data to the attacker | 16:31 |
| sdague | armax: yes | 16:31 |
| mordred | sdague: totally - but you can set up agent forward to prompt you for confirmation when it's being asked to be used, which you can confirm just with an 'enter' usually | 16:31 |
| armax | sorry, I missed this basic fact ;) | 16:31 |
| clarkb | sdague: yup definitely has its uses which is why ssh-add -c is useful | 16:32 |
| sdague | armax: yeh, I think it's one of those ones like heartbleed where it turns out the direction of attack is actually client oriented not server oriented | 16:32 |
| clarkb | basically be explicit when you need ti and have it confirm when its used | 16:32 |
| armax | sdague: gotcha | 16:32 |
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| ihrachys | armax, up for saving ovn gate? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/458841/ | 16:33 |
| armax | yes | 16:34 |
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| armax | mordred: I’ll move on checking the sanity of the actual API proposal :) | 16:43 |
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| mordred | armax: woot! please do - it's almost certainly crazy - and there are at least two real questions I put in there as notes | 16:44 |
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| openstackgerrit | Terry Wilson proposed openstack/ovsdbapp master: Break out BaseCommand into backend.ovs_idl https://review.openstack.org/458960 | 20:50 |
| openstackgerrit | Terry Wilson proposed openstack/networking-ovn master: Use the ovsdbapp library https://review.openstack.org/458967 | 20:52 |
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| otherwiseguy | ihrachys, kevinbenton and anyone else: one more "fix networking-ovn gate" patch. Should be the last one https://review.openstack.org/458947. It's passed all voting jobs anyway. | 21:39 |
| amuller | Don't believe him... | 21:40 |
| otherwiseguy | you don't have to believe me, just do my bidding...muwahaha | 21:40 |
| amuller | Make sense :) | 21:40 |
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| otherwiseguy | Today has been fun, we should do this more often. | 21:41 |
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| openstackgerrit | Henry Gessau proposed openstack/neutron master: [WIP] Operation Pig Bristle, part 8 https://review.openstack.org/409557 | 21:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Henry Gessau proposed openstack/neutron master: Refactor CommonDbMixin for removal https://review.openstack.org/409556 | 21:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Henry Gessau proposed openstack/neutron master: Eliminate lookup of "resource extend" funcs by name https://review.openstack.org/409555 | 21:42 |
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| openstackgerrit | Henry Gessau proposed openstack/neutron master: Stop using CommonDbMixin https://review.openstack.org/458982 | 21:42 |
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| otherwiseguy | hmm, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/458947/ seems held up in CI over a queued OOO test that is still queued after all of the other tests have finished. | 22:18 |
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| kevinbenton | mordred: still there? | 23:14 |
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| kevinbenton | clarkb, mordred, armax: unfortunately i missed the fun SSH chat this morning | 23:22 |
| kevinbenton | but if the client does indeed sign something based on the derived secret of the diffie hellman key exchange | 23:22 |
| kevinbenton | s/key exchange/key derivation/ | 23:22 |
| kevinbenton | then MiTM would not be possible | 23:23 |
| kevinbenton | because the derived secret between Alice and Mallory and the derived secret between Mallory and Bob would be different | 23:23 |
| kevinbenton | where Mallory is the mitm attacker | 23:23 |
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| kevinbenton | otherwiseguy: yo | 23:24 |
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| kevinbenton | otherwiseguy: did you break the requirements of all the things? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/458811/ | 23:24 |
| kevinbenton | otherwiseguy: :) | 23:24 |
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| mordred | kevinbenton: yes - however, the attacker can honeypot the client into a real machine controlled by the attacker and hope the client sends some secret data before noticing it's not the real server | 23:55 |
| mordred | kevinbenton: the attacker can also attempt to re-use the client's ssh agent in a forwarded manner if the client has their ssh agent set up to allow non-verified agent forwarding | 23:56 |
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| mordred | kevinbenton: those are the two important ones. of course, then also bad humans using passwords just get compromised immediately - but they're bad people anyway and I don't care about them | 23:57 |
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| kevinbenton | mordred: ah, excellent | 23:58 |
| kevinbenton | mordred: i would stick those on the spec | 23:58 |
| mordred | kevinbenton: ++ will do | 23:58 |
| kevinbenton | mordred: i hadn't considered about what they might get the user to do once in a bad server | 23:59 |
| kevinbenton | mordred: i was only considering it from the perspective of mitm to legitimate server | 23:59 |
| kevinbenton | mordred: and wrote up a lengthy thing about how key-based auth protects us | 23:59 |
| mordred | \o/ - well, there was actually a really great article that armax posted that also described that | 23:59 |
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