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| cuongnv | hi yamamoto do you have time for some questions about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/476060/ ? | 04:35 |
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| cuongnv | yamamoto, my netlink conntrack UTs don't really require sudo to be executed but need privsep to be invoked. some tests failed with message about privsep unable to use sudo like this report http://logs.openstack.org/12/470912/7/check/gate-neutron-python27-ubuntu-xenial/e064e33/testr_results.html.gz, that's why i make above ps | 06:09 |
| yamamoto | cuongnv: i see. and what're the questions? | 06:13 |
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| cuongnv | am i understanding about privesep and sudo correct? if so, can we enable sudo for UTs? | 06:14 |
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| yamamoto | cuongnv: i dunno as i haven't read you code. but it sounds plausible. i still don't understand why you need sudo. | 06:16 |
| yamamoto | what's wrong with my suggestions? | 06:16 |
| yamamoto | ie. mocking privsep, or put it in functional tests. | 06:16 |
| yamamoto | i thought privsep had some knob useful for tests. i forgot what it was though. | 06:18 |
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| cuongnv | yes, i thought about your suggesstion of functional tests, but we still need UTs for the code, dont we? | 06:20 |
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| cuongnv | mocking privsep is what i'm thinking about but really not sure how to do that, any suggestion for it? | 06:21 |
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| cuongnv | and another problem is, i dont get those failures on my local dev env. how can i setup my local dev env like jenkin job to make sure i can verify it? | 06:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron master: Use objects instead of SQLA deep copies in PortContext https://review.openstack.org/475650 | 09:35 |
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| betherly | hi folks! | 09:58 |
| betherly | working on fixing a bug on the network panel in horizon. would here be a good place to ask for some advice re creating networks? | 09:58 |
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| ivasilevskaya1 | jlibosva, hi! :) | 10:07 |
| jlibosva | ivasilevskaya1: hi | 10:07 |
| jlibosva | ivasilevskaya1: I'm just trying to reproduce what you wrote at the review on my env right now :) | 10:08 |
| ivasilevskaya1 | jlibosva, yeah, sorry for -1 but I tried my best to make PS 21 work for a couple of hours with no luck | 10:08 |
| jlibosva | ivasilevskaya1: no need to apologize, I thank you for your findings. | 10:09 |
| ivasilevskaya1 | jlibosva: now I tried to cherry-pick ALL the related changes and get only last vm connectivity | 10:09 |
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| ivasilevskaya1 | jlibosva: in blunt dhcp-namespace ping test I mean | 10:09 |
| jlibosva | ivasilevskaya1: I'm seeing some weird behavior between server and agents. I have a two node setup and seems to me that server sends port updates to wrong node | 10:10 |
| jlibosva | ivasilevskaya1: I have a vm with parent port and a subport - so far I can see the parent port got address | 10:10 |
| jlibosva | ivasilevskaya1: but I don't see the new openflow rules for subport that were added by the patch | 10:11 |
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| ivasilevskaya1 | jlibosva: cool, then I'll debug more intensively too. Just wanted to make sure that I didn't mess up with some basic configuration/cherry pick/etc | 10:13 |
| jlibosva | ivasilevskaya1: I'll let you know once I find something :) thanks a lot for looking at it! | 10:13 |
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| loewenstein | Hi | 11:47 |
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| loewenstein | two instances, same net/sub-net, ingress 22 for remote command exec, A: traceroute -M raw -N 1 --mtu <ip-of-B> | 11:47 |
| loewenstein | Is that expected? | 11:47 |
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| loewenstein | I.e. there is no sec group rule that would allow IP protocol 253 | 11:48 |
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| fekle | hi, i have a few questions considering neutron, I'm a bit confused by the docs | 13:41 |
| fekle | is this the right place to ask? | 13:41 |
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| fekle | I have a local provider network, and it works fine, I have a self-service network using this provider network with linuxbridge, it works fine, I can also ping the router of this self-service network. I want to use floating ips for external (public/internet) access only, and want direct access to the self-service networks from our company lan. Now, my local provider network is 192.168.145.0/24, and the self-service network | 13:56 |
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| fekle | in the provider network. Now, I can ping the router with no problems in the company lan, but I can't ping any instances in the self-service network which is to be expected. when i add a static route to route 172.16.50.0/24 via 192.168.145.209 and everything works perfectly. However, with multiple projects and self-service networks, adding those static routes can be a pain. So I wanted to ask if it is possible to create a s | 13:57 |
| fekle | .16.0.0/16 to. This router then would automatically continue routing to the self-service routers for networks like 172.16.50.0/24, 172.16.60.0/24, 172.16.70.0/24 and so on. For public (internet) access we would then use a second provider network with floating ips. | 13:57 |
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| abaindur | We are using provider network (no neutron router), and want to use metadata service. Is it required to use config-drive to inject the static route in VM to metadata via DHCP agent port? | 16:54 |
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| abaindur | How can this be done without enabling config-drive? | 16:54 |
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| amuller | abaindur: you can force the dhcp agent to provide metadata without enabling config-drive in nova | 17:07 |
| amuller | abaindur: https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/6f1c7272674b2f2f3d87b64f549446540e72952e/neutron/conf/agent/dhcp.py#L41 | 17:08 |
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| abaindur | amuller: we have the enable_isolated_metadata flag set to True. Assumed this would take care of DHCP configuring this route on the VM, same way VM gets it's nameserver and default GW info | 18:25 |
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| abaindur | the desc. for that flag says: "Setting this value to True will cause the DHCP server to append specific host routes to the DHCP request. The metadata service will only be activated when the subnet does not contain any router port." | 18:25 |
| amuller | abaindur: yeah that'll work if you're not using neutron routers | 18:25 |
| abaindur | correct, just a provider network. not attached to neutron router | 18:26 |
| abaindur | The VM gets its IP and default GW via DHCP | 18:26 |
| abaindur | but we dont see it getting the 169.254 route via dhcp nexthop, unless --config-drive is True (to be precise, this is deployed from a heat template) | 18:27 |
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| abaindur | amuller: 1. does some other option need to be set for this to happen when enable_isolated_metadata==true? 2. what's the exact difference between enable_isolated_metadata and force_metadata? | 18:28 |
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| abaindur | Both flags mention for isolated networks, and both flags say, "force the DHCP server to append specific host routes to the DHCP request" | 18:29 |
| amuller | abaindur: enable_isolated_metadata will use metadata via dhcp for networks without neutron routers | 18:30 |
| amuller | force_metadata will make the dhcp agent serve metadata for all networks | 18:30 |
| abaindur | amuller: so then a VM on an isolated network, and with enable_isolated_metadata=True, should get the metadata route configured even with cloud-init disabled? | 18:31 |
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| abaindur | if we dont see this happening without booting the VM with --config-drive, any idea what it could be? | 18:32 |
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| amuller | neutron metadata from l3/dhcp assumes that cloud-init is enabled | 18:34 |
| amuller | and that you did not force config-drive | 18:34 |
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| abaindur | we also have enable_metadata_network=True | 18:35 |
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| abaindur | What do you mean by force config-drive? | 18:36 |
| abaindur | is this the force_metadata option in DHCPagent? Or do you mean setting config-drive to True when booting VM? | 18:36 |
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| amuller | abaindur: the latter | 18:40 |
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| abaindur | i suppose without config-drive enabled, we could set a static route on the subnet, for 169.254.169.254/32 via the subnet's own dhcp port | 18:40 |
| abaindur | as mentioned we are only seeing the metadata route *with* config-drive | 18:41 |
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| wjhofer | Hello everybody, I have a question for you. Has anyone seen this symptom before. I have Windows Server 2016 VM running in my OpenStack environment. When I attempt to ping the IP of the OpenStack Router I have attached to the network I get one response and then a timeout error on all consecutive packets. | 18:44 |
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| wjhofer | I had another VM working, meaning it could ping the router, I spun up another vm on the same hypervisor as the one that is working to test if it behaved the same and it did not. It could not ping the router. | 18:47 |
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| wjhofer | Then all of the sudden the VM that was working, stopped. The interesting thing is that the initial VM I spoke of on a different hypervisor started working... weird. Help please! | 18:48 |
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| hjensas | mlavalle: we missed one detail on the DHCP agent changes last week. Can you have a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/476477/ ? | 20:35 |
| mlavalle | hjensas: looking | 20:36 |
| hjensas | mlavalle: thanks. | 20:38 |
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| mlavalle | hjensas: makes sense | 20:45 |
| slaweq | mlavalle: kevinbenton: hello, I'm doing some patch now and I will need some new Field type for OVO object, please check https://review.openstack.org/#/c/475260/1/neutron/objects/qos/rule_type.py | 20:45 |
| kevinbenton | boden: ahoy! | 20:45 |
| slaweq | mlavalle: kevinbenton: do You think it's worth to propose it as separate patch in objects/common_types ? | 20:45 |
| hjensas | mlavalle: indeed, kicked myself a bit for testing with a C net and not noticing earlier. :) | 20:46 |
| slaweq | or it would be fine to do it inside my bigger patch? | 20:46 |
| kevinbenton | slaweq: ListOfDictOfMiscValuesField right? | 20:46 |
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| slaweq | kevinbenton: yes | 20:46 |
| slaweq | I need Field type with such "complicated" name to store "supported_parameters" dict from https://github.com/openstack/neutron-specs/blob/master/specs/pike/qos-detailed-reporting-of-available-rules.rst | 20:49 |
| slaweq | or maybe there is different way to do it? :) | 20:49 |
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| kevinbenton | slaweq: how is vif_details stored? | 20:50 |
| slaweq | kevinbenton: I don't know but I will check it now | 20:50 |
| kevinbenton | slaweq: https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/objects/ports.py#L75 | 20:50 |
| kevinbenton | slaweq: so it is DictOfMiscValues | 20:50 |
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| slaweq | yes, but I need list of such dicts | 20:51 |
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| kevinbenton | slaweq: makes sense. I would propose it as a separate patch to common types | 20:51 |
| slaweq | ok, thx | 20:51 |
| kevinbenton | because that isn't really qos specific | 20:51 |
| slaweq | that is what I thought and that's why I asked You | 20:51 |
| slaweq | thx for help | 20:51 |
| kevinbenton | slaweq: no prob | 20:52 |
| kevinbenton | hjensas, haleyb: i wonder if we could devise a functional test to ensure the remote subnets work | 20:53 |
| kevinbenton | otherwise I'm worried it will regress and we'll get yelled at for breaking tripleo :) | 20:53 |
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| haleyb | kevinbenton: yeah, that's a good idea. It would have to be simulated DHCP requests since we don't have a relay. | 21:12 |
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| kevinbenton | haleyb: does dhcping have the option to do a directed request? | 21:13 |
| kevinbenton | haleyb: ah yes | 21:13 |
| kevinbenton | haleyb: -s server-IP-address | 21:14 |
| kevinbenton | Send the DHCP packet to this IP address. | 21:14 |
| kevinbenton | we might be able to do that to send from a different subnet | 21:14 |
| kevinbenton | without worrying about setting up relay or anything | 21:14 |
| kevinbenton | but i'm not sure if that comes out to the right structure or not for a request | 21:14 |
| kevinbenton | might just be for renewals | 21:15 |
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| haleyb | seems to be able to set all the fields, assuming dnsmasq will respond to it | 21:17 |
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| hjensas | haleyb: kevinbenton: It need to set the subnet the request is originating from, it does'nt look like dhcping can do that? | 21:22 |
| * hjensas digs for som pcap data. | 21:22 | |
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| kevinbenton | haleyb: wouldn't that just depend on the interface it's bound to? | 21:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | Slawek Kaplonski proposed openstack/neutron master: Add new ovo field type class https://review.openstack.org/476712 | 21:28 |
| hjensas | kevinbenton: haleyb: there is a bootp.ip.relay field in the dhcp request. I think we would have to simulate that? | 21:29 |
| slaweq | kevinbenton: please check in meantime if ^^ is ok - it's my first patch which touch OVO in Neutron :) | 21:29 |
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| kevinbenton | hjensas: yeah, for the initial request i think so | 21:31 |
| kevinbenton | hjensas: what is the value of that field? | 21:31 |
| kevinbenton | hjensas: does it have a prefix as well or is it just an IP? | 21:31 |
| hjensas | kevinbenton: it is the ip address of the node running the dhcp-relay agent in my pcap data. (Fedora package: dhcp-forwarder us the relay agent) | 21:32 |
| hjensas | 172.20.0.62 | 21:32 |
| kevinbenton | hjensas: ok, so it's just an IP | 21:32 |
| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/neutron-fwaas master: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/475561 | 21:32 |
| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/neutron-lib master: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/472813 | 21:33 |
| hjensas | kevinbenton: just the IP. | 21:33 |
| kevinbenton | hjensas: is that dhcp relay agent simple to run with cli args? | 21:34 |
| kevinbenton | maybe we can just add it as a test dependency and setup a real relay | 21:34 |
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| hjensas | kevinbenton: there is also a "Hops: 1" property in the dhcprequest. (Not sure how important that is...) | 21:35 |
| hjensas | kevinbenton: let me have a look at the man page. | 21:35 |
| hjensas | kevinbenton: it needs a config file, but -c arg to point to it via cli. | 21:38 |
| kevinbenton | hjensas: ack | 21:38 |
| kevinbenton | hjensas: so it will be a fair amount of work probably | 21:39 |
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| hjensas | kevinbenton: yes, a relay agent + dhcping sending the request to the relay agent might work. | 21:43 |
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| hjensas | kevinbenton: but, I still like the idea. I think tripleo CI cheats and use a deployed server scenario in most jobs. And for those jobs this is not tested AFAIK. So it would break and triplo would notice late... | 21:48 |
| boden | kevinbenton hi. I can only attend the drivers meeting for about 30 min, but I had 2 topic (one of which you already know). Shal I relay those topics to you for the meeting? | 21:50 |
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| kevinbenton | boden: yep | 22:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron master: DHCP Agent: Set dhcp-range netmask property https://review.openstack.org/476477 | 22:09 |
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| openstackgerrit | Slawek Kaplonski proposed openstack/neutron master: [WIP] New API call to get details of supported QoS rule type https://review.openstack.org/475260 | 22:48 |
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| armax | kevinbenton: here | 23:02 |
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| armax | I fear that adding more conditionals to the life cycle of the port is risky and prone to error and/or races | 23:02 |
| armax | we should not make the DVR control plane more complex or more tightly coupled with host binding properties | 23:03 |
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| armax | I’d rather drive behavioral changes by introducing better abstractions | 23:03 |
| armax | unfortunately I cannot provide any support at the moment than just a few leads, if my feedback sucks | 23:04 |
| armax | I am ok being ignored | 23:05 |
| kevinbenton | armax: the conditionals are already there | 23:05 |
| armax | ultimately that’s what happened since this this RFE was filed | 23:05 |
| kevinbenton | armax: DVR does lots based on the HOST_ID field | 23:05 |
| armax | sure, let’s make it worse | 23:05 |
| kevinbenton | armax: but it's fundamental to DVR, it follows the port | 23:05 |
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| kevinbenton | the logic in Swami's latest patches is just defining what to do when there is no host_Id | 23:06 |
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| armax | OK | 23:06 |
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| armax | and that’s exactly my point | 23:07 |
| armax | have you looked at the impact of the newly added logic? | 23:07 |
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| armax | have you considered the potential issues it may create? | 23:07 |
| armax | if (fip_host is None and (fip_dest_host is None) and | 23:08 |
| armax | agent_mode in [const.L3_AGENT_MODE_LEGACY, | 23:08 |
| armax | const.L3_AGENT_MODE_DVR] and | 23:08 |
| armax | not floating_ip.get(l3_const.DVR_SNAT_BOUND)) | 23:08 |
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| armax | that’s just a teeny scoop of the whole icecream | 23:08 |
| armax | btw | 23:08 |
| armax | :) | 23:08 |
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| kevinbenton | yep | 23:09 |
| kevinbenton | that's what adding support for something that was missing will do | 23:10 |
| kevinbenton | how do you think a new API abstraction would be handled? | 23:10 |
| armax | sweeet | 23:10 |
| armax | have at it then | 23:10 |
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| armax | it can be better isolated | 23:10 |
| armax | and loosely integrated with an existing functionality | 23:10 |
| armax | that’s been my point all along | 23:10 |
| armax | I appreciate that this is complex and there’s no magic bullet | 23:11 |
| kevinbenton | how can it be more loosely integrated? | 23:11 |
| armax | but people wanted to implement trunk in ML2 | 23:11 |
| kevinbenton | it still needs to impact DVR's hosting of floating IPs | 23:11 |
| armax | didn’t I prove people wrong? | 23:11 |
| armax | there’s practically no impact to ML2 because of trunking | 23:11 |
| armax | the first proposal was a sprawl of trunk logic all over the code base | 23:12 |
| armax | that’s the kind of decomposition I am advocating for | 23:12 |
| kevinbenton | ok | 23:12 |
| kevinbenton | how do we influence DVR in a decoupled manner? | 23:13 |
| armax | if I had the same time and energy I had when I dealt with trunking I’d step in and help | 23:13 |
| armax | I can’t now | 23:13 |
| armax | I don’t have the bandwidth | 23:13 |
| armax | but the codebase is peppered of many initiatives of mine where I demonstrated how to do this more cleanly | 23:13 |
| armax | another example is DNS | 23:13 |
| armax | and mlavalle can vouch for that | 23:13 |
| armax | I hope | 23:14 |
| armax | this (type of integration) | 23:14 |
| kevinbenton | DNS has no dataplane impact | 23:14 |
| armax | you’re missing the point | 23:14 |
| armax | that I am trying to make | 23:14 |
| kevinbenton | and you're missing mine | 23:14 |
| armax | and yet trunk has lots of dataplane impact | 23:14 |
| armax | so there | 23:14 |
| armax | right back at ya :) | 23:14 |
| kevinbenton | armax: actually it doesn't | 23:14 |
| armax | how so | 23:14 |
| kevinbenton | armax: it re-uses all of the same wiring logic | 23:14 |
| kevinbenton | armax: once plugged into br-int | 23:15 |
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| armax | right, it plugs neatly once we identifed a clean way to integrate | 23:15 |
| armax | :P | 23:15 |
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| kevinbenton | but unless we get rid of DVR | 23:15 |
| armax | that said it still affects how data flows in and out the VM | 23:16 |
| kevinbenton | we still need to influence DVRs wiring of floating IPs | 23:16 |
| armax | kevinbenton: OK | 23:16 |
| armax | I am not suggesting there’s no influence | 23:16 |
| armax | if you’re saying there’s no other implementation possible | 23:16 |
| armax | I beg to differr | 23:16 |
| kevinbenton | we can force people to use a different API abstraction | 23:17 |
| armax | can or can't/ | 23:17 |
| armax | ? | 23:17 |
| kevinbenton | but fundamentally DVR needs to be updated to deal with a floating IP that is used by different hosts | 23:17 |
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| kevinbenton | can | 23:17 |
| kevinbenton | my point is that I don't see how a different API is going to fix the DVR issue | 23:18 |
| armax | not if we stop overloading functionality onto the life cycle state of a single resource | 23:18 |
| armax | dude | 23:18 |
| armax | it’s not the DVR issue | 23:18 |
| armax | it’s the bloody code! | 23:18 |
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| armax | what I am trying to suggest is | 23:18 |
| armax | is that we explore ways to introduce behavior by means of higher and better defined abstractions | 23:20 |
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| armax | a similar thought process went down with the trunk functionality | 23:20 |
| armax | and that resulted in a radically different design and implementation from the one initially proposed | 23:20 |
| armax | we started with an API that enabled us and put us on the right path though | 23:21 |
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| armax | this is my point | 23:21 |
| armax | I appreciate that I am asking to take a huge leap | 23:21 |
| armax | and I should help through the process | 23:21 |
| armax | but I can't | 23:22 |
| armax | you’ve been involved in that effort though | 23:23 |
| armax | :) | 23:23 |
| kevinbenton | armax: what effort? | 23:23 |
| armax | you should be able to be inspired and lead through this | 23:23 |
| armax | trunk | 23:23 |
| kevinbenton | i don't think the two are similar TBH | 23:24 |
| armax | OK then | 23:24 |
| kevinbenton | we're asking people to use a different API for something that was already possible | 23:24 |
| armax | ignore my feedback and let’s move on | 23:24 |
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| armax | kevinbenton: it was broken | 23:24 |
| armax | and it’ll continue to be | 23:24 |
| kevinbenton | by DVR | 23:24 |
| armax | but w/e | 23:24 |
| armax | let’s agree to disagree on this one | 23:24 |
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| kevinbenton | ok | 23:25 |
| kevinbenton | i'd rather add the logic to DVR and cover it with a tempest test | 23:25 |
| armax | yet again I fail to get my point across | 23:26 |
| armax | you can cover ML2 with a tempest test | 23:26 |
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| armax | ML2+trunk the way it was envisioned | 23:26 |
| armax | it’s still gonna be the most unmaintanable and readable and unstable code | 23:26 |
| armax | unreadable* | 23:27 |
| armax | a tempest test doesn’t buy a damn | 23:27 |
| kevinbenton | a separate API != readability | 23:27 |
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| kevinbenton | armax: BTW i understand your point perfectly fine | 23:29 |
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| kevinbenton | but from the project's perspective, what you've proposed cannot be done with our resources | 23:29 |
| armax | do you think it’s a valid one? | 23:29 |
| kevinbenton | yes | 23:29 |
| kevinbenton | from what i can see | 23:29 |
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| kevinbenton | a new API won't happen | 23:29 |
| kevinbenton | so the only option is to let this bug sit open | 23:30 |
| kevinbenton | and have people complain even more at the next summit | 23:30 |
| armax | I raised my concerns over a year ago | 23:30 |
| kevinbenton | this particular bug was highlighted as a problem | 23:30 |
| armax | the project was very different back then | 23:30 |
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| armax | but you can beat a dead horse | 23:31 |
| armax | can't | 23:31 |
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| armax | I guess you can :) | 23:31 |
| armax | but that won’t change anything | 23:31 |
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| armax | it’s a shame | 23:32 |
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