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| opendevreview | yatin proposed openstack/neutron unmaintained/wallaby: [unmaintained only] Remove fullstack jobs https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/neutron/+/956071 | 11:08 |
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| opendevreview | yatin proposed openstack/neutron unmaintained/wallaby: [unmaintained only] Remove fullstack jobs https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/neutron/+/956071 | 11:15 |
| opendevreview | yatin proposed openstack/neutron unmaintained/victoria: [unmaintained only] Remove fullstack jobs https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/neutron/+/956072 | 11:17 |
| opendevreview | Lajos Katona proposed openstack/neutron master: Delete tunnel endpoints if endpoint agent is deleted https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/neutron/+/952988 | 11:29 |
| opendevreview | Elod Illes proposed openstack/networking-bgpvpn unmaintained/yoga: [CI] Remove tripleo-ci-centos-8-scenario004-standalone job https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/networking-bgpvpn/+/918666 | 12:48 |
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| haleyb | #startmeeting networking | 13:00 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting started Tue Jul 29 13:00:19 2025 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is haleyb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| opendevmeet | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| opendevmeet | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 13:00 |
| haleyb | Ping list: bcafarel, elvira, frickler, mlavalle, mtomaska, slaweq, tobias-urdin, ykarel, lajoskatona, jlibosva, averdagu, haleyb, ralonsoh | 13:00 |
| lajoskatona | o/ | 13:00 |
| mtomaska | o/ | 13:00 |
| frickler | \o | 13:00 |
| cbuggy | o/ | 13:00 |
| bcafarel | o/ | 13:00 |
| mlavalle | \o | 13:01 |
| haleyb | hi everybody, i'm back :) | 13:01 |
| haleyb | #announcements | 13:02 |
| haleyb | We are currently in Week R-9 of Flamingo | 13:02 |
| haleyb | Our next milestone in this development cycle will be Flamingo-3, week of August 25th | 13:02 |
| haleyb | Final 2025.2 Flamingo release: October 3rd, 2025 | 13:02 |
| haleyb | #link https://releases.openstack.org/flamingo/schedule.html | 13:02 |
| slaweq | o/ | 13:03 |
| haleyb | The next OpenInfra PTG will take place October 27-31, 2025 and registration for the event is now open | 13:03 |
| haleyb | #link https://ptg.openinfra.dev/ | 13:03 |
| haleyb | The release schedule for Gazpacho has also been proposed | 13:04 |
| haleyb | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/releases/+/954614 | 13:04 |
| haleyb | April 1st, 2026 planned release date | 13:04 |
| haleyb | Reminder: If you have a topic for the drivers meeting on Friday, please add it to the wiki @ https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NeutronDrivers | 13:05 |
| haleyb | that was all my announcements, any others? | 13:06 |
| haleyb | moving on | 13:06 |
| haleyb | #topic bugs | 13:06 |
| haleyb | last week jlibosva was the bug deputy, his report is at | 13:07 |
| haleyb | #link https://lists.openstack.org/archives/list/openstack-discuss@lists.openstack.org/thread/5QTZKYN3PZ55MHGUX5EHXSNFYNMRTODP/ | 13:07 |
| haleyb | first critical bug is | 13:07 |
| haleyb | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/2118902 | 13:07 |
| haleyb | tobiko jobs failing while download fedora qcow2 image | 13:07 |
| haleyb | being fixed in https://review.opendev.org/c/x/tobiko/+/955769 | 13:08 |
| haleyb | ykarel: should we close that neutron bug as you mentioned? | 13:09 |
| haleyb | yatin might not be here, can follow-up | 13:10 |
| ykarel | haleyb, yes can be done, was just for tracking | 13:10 |
| haleyb | ah, ok, thanks | 13:10 |
| haleyb | next bug | 13:10 |
| haleyb | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/2117405 | 13:10 |
| haleyb | test_subport_delete random failure | 13:10 |
| haleyb | this was seen a couple of times in logs | 13:11 |
| haleyb | and i see rodolfo has assigned to himself | 13:12 |
| haleyb | the other two high priority bugs have patches proposed already | 13:13 |
| haleyb | moving on to medium ones | 13:13 |
| haleyb | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/2116927 | 13:13 |
| haleyb | Horizon shows all prefix lengths when creating subnet from subnet pool | 13:13 |
| lajoskatona | I pushed patch for it yesterday | 13:14 |
| haleyb | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/horizon/+/956006 | 13:14 |
| haleyb | lajoskatona: ack, thanks! | 13:14 |
| haleyb | next one was about eventlet hacking checks | 13:15 |
| haleyb | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/2117373 | 13:16 |
| haleyb | [eventlet-removal] Add N535 hacking check to ban eventlet imports | 13:16 |
| haleyb | neutron-lib had already done this, fwaas and vpnaas patches proposed as part of this bug | 13:16 |
| lajoskatona | yes we can reuse the check in n-lib for this | 13:17 |
| haleyb | we'll eventually add it to neutron as well | 13:17 |
| haleyb | next one | 13:18 |
| haleyb | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/2117383 | 13:18 |
| haleyb | [neutron-tempest-plugin] Test ``test_create_router_update_external_gateways`` failing | 13:18 |
| haleyb | mlavalle picked this up, thanks miguel | 13:19 |
| haleyb | next one | 13:19 |
| haleyb | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/2117477 | 13:19 |
| haleyb | [unmaintained-only] unknown keyword flow_group_id | 13:20 |
| haleyb | rubasov took this and i think proposed all necessary patches | 13:20 |
| haleyb | seems to have just affected v/w/x/y releases | 13:21 |
| bcafarel | and all merged now I think | 13:22 |
| haleyb | excellent | 13:22 |
| haleyb | next medium has a patch so we can skip to low one | 13:23 |
| haleyb | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/2118360 | 13:23 |
| haleyb | NotFoundException: 404 error when associating FIP with an unreachable network | 13:23 |
| lajoskatona | another one for Horizon, I try to check it this week to see the root cause | 13:24 |
| haleyb | lajoskatona: ack, thanks. i don't exactly understand the failure case, it sounds familiar from a neutron perspective though | 13:25 |
| lajoskatona | yes, not fully clear what is the exact expectation and if it is realted to the SDK migration or something else | 13:27 |
| haleyb | yeah, i wonder if it happens with just OSC and not horizon | 13:28 |
| lajoskatona | I will check it | 13:28 |
| haleyb | great | 13:29 |
| ykarel | iirc same response is returned with openstackcli | 13:29 |
| lajoskatona | ykarel: thanks | 13:29 |
| haleyb | i'll look at old bugs later to see if there is a match | 13:30 |
| lajoskatona | +1 good idea | 13:30 |
| lajoskatona | in comments on this patch there are some hints https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/horizon/+/938488 from Ivan Anfimov from where the exception is comming | 13:31 |
| haleyb | ack | 13:33 |
| haleyb | there were some incomplete bugs, can go through them quickly | 13:33 |
| haleyb | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/2116723 | 13:33 |
| haleyb | VPN Perfect Forward Secrecy (PFS) is deactivated although configured as active | 13:34 |
| haleyb | he shared his neutron.conf bug someone will need to go through it that maybe better understands vpnaas | 13:35 |
| haleyb | next one | 13:37 |
| haleyb | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/2116837 | 13:37 |
| haleyb | Performance Tuning for Nested VXLAN Tunnel in OpenStack (OVS Backend) | 13:37 |
| haleyb | i asked a number of question but have not seen a response, will keep watching | 13:37 |
| haleyb | next one | 13:38 |
| haleyb | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/2117078 | 13:38 |
| haleyb | OVN: Intermittent metadata failures for SR-IOV VMs | 13:38 |
| haleyb | seems rodolfo is actively trying to help, so in good hands | 13:39 |
| haleyb | last one | 13:39 |
| haleyb | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/2117153 | 13:39 |
| haleyb | neutron-openvswitch-agent crashes on start | 13:39 |
| haleyb | this was on bobcat, which is EOL, i asked for reproducer on caracal but submittor responded they are having problems reproducing | 13:41 |
| haleyb | i'll keep watching | 13:41 |
| haleyb | that was all the bugs | 13:41 |
| haleyb | any others to discuss? | 13:41 |
| haleyb | this week ykarel is the bug deputy, next week will be otherwiseguy | 13:42 |
| ykarel | thx for reminding, i might have lost that last week | 13:42 |
| haleyb | ack, i don't see terry here maybe someone can ping him internally and make sure he can do next week? | 13:43 |
| haleyb | moving on | 13:44 |
| haleyb | #topic community goals | 13:44 |
| haleyb | lajoskatona: any updates for neutronclient? besides the bug fix? | 13:45 |
| lajoskatona | just the bugs and fixe for mone of them we covered already | 13:45 |
| lajoskatona | for one of them (sorry seems like my keyboard is not in sync with me today) | 13:45 |
| haleyb | ack, thanks | 13:46 |
| haleyb | and i don't see rodolfo for an eventlet update, but seems he's still working on unit tests | 13:47 |
| haleyb | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/neutron/+/952258 | 13:47 |
| haleyb | i have no more updates on that | 13:49 |
| haleyb | #topic on-demand | 13:50 |
| haleyb | there was nothing on the agenda, but does anyone have a topic? | 13:50 |
| fungi | i have something that i neglected to add to the agenda, but can punt to next week if there's not time | 13:51 |
| haleyb | fungi: we have 9 minutes so think we have time | 13:51 |
| fungi | (not sure if on-demand is the same as open discussion, sorry) | 13:51 |
| haleyb | yes, open discussion | 13:51 |
| fungi | i'll try to be quick, but there's a lot we dug into... for some background on openstack-wide metrics analysis see ildikov's most recent ml post from about a month ago: | 13:51 |
| fungi | #link https://lists.openstack.org/archives/list/openstack-discuss@lists.openstack.org/message/NTBNI7YIDCWBR6BTPEKVZIODWTVUIOXO/ BtG metrics analysis | 13:51 |
| fungi | also could be worthwhile to revisit her previous post in that thread going over the contributor and maintainer survey results (and anyone who hasn't filled those out for epoxy, please see if you can find a few minutes to do that!) | 13:51 |
| fungi | as a follow-up activity, we've started doing some team-specific analyses, focusing on teams that had multiple contributor and maintainer survey responses (already did nova, cinder, ironic, octavia and kolla in recent weeks) | 13:52 |
| fungi | we're early in the process of analyzing these stats with a focus on improving the experience for maintainers and contributors, so for now this is probably a lot of stuff you already know, or at least confirming what you expected | 13:52 |
| fungi | a big part of this is establishing a baseline so that we can better gauge whether future attempts at improving have any observable impact, but we aren't at the point where we have much in the way of guidance or recommendations yet | 13:52 |
| fungi | we have plans to continue with this sort of surveying and metrics analysis over coming release cycles; as for the initial results... | 13:52 |
| fungi | the contributor survey had 3 responses for neutron and all respondents had contributed for at least two years and were contributors to at least two other open source projects | 13:52 |
| fungi | feedback was overwhelmingly positive (averages of 4-4.67 out of 5) with the highest score on "[contributor docs] You were able to find information about the processes the project team is using" | 13:52 |
| fungi | lowest was a tie between getting timely reviews, test failures identifying problems with the contribution, and contributor docs helping apply better practices/achieve faster results | 13:52 |
| fungi | the top challenges reported were trouble with review attention or blanket rejection on changes for smaller/ancillary repositories, as well as an overall shortage of available reviewers (this one is pretty common across all the teams anyway) | 13:53 |
| fungi | the maintainer survey had only response so far, ranking 5 on everything except for a 4 on contributor documentation being up to date | 13:53 |
| fungi | contributing challenge reported by that maintainer was similar to those from the contributor survey (review attention), but also a need for specialist domain expertise in many parts of the code | 13:53 |
| fungi | top challenges with reviewing were a lack of familiarity with certain parts of the code base, and contributors not addressing review feedback or test failures in a timely manner | 13:53 |
| fungi | additional feedback noted the stability of test jobs has been crumbling over time, with a lack of maintainer failiarity in the tests and a shortage of maintainers overall this poses a potential sustainability risk | 13:53 |
| fungi | looking at metrics we gathered from gerrit for the past 5 development cycles, review response was varied with faster results in the main repositories while things tended to sit more in the periphery | 13:54 |
| fungi | it's likely that the practice of closing changes when it's clear they're not going anywhere due to lack of reviews contributes to this, but in every cycle except one (bobcat) the team closed more changes than were open | 13:54 |
| fungi | metrics also indicated a steady shrinkage of reviewers, which supports survey responses on the subject | 13:54 |
| fungi | sorry, i know that's a pretty big info dump (i tried to pare it down as much as possible), and i'm happy to answer questions or take feedback either here in the meeting or any time after | 13:54 |
| haleyb | so the epoxy survey you mentioned at the beginning is | 13:55 |
| haleyb | #link https://openinfrafoundation.formstack.com/forms/openstack_contributor_satisfaction_survey | 13:55 |
| fungi | there are two, the other is the maintainer survey, but yes | 13:55 |
| haleyb | #link https://openinfrafoundation.formstack.com/forms/openstack_maintainer_satisfaction_survey | 13:56 |
| haleyb | just in case someone here has not seen them and wants to take them | 13:56 |
| fungi | yeah, it's hard to draw concrete conclusions with only a handful of responses so far, so more responses definitely help | 13:56 |
| haleyb | fungi: is there a plan to dig deeper on neutron? i see you mentioned it had been done for other projects | 13:57 |
| fungi | and they're designed to be super quick (under 5-minute) surveys, though i guess you can take longer if you want to write a bunch in the freeform fields | 13:57 |
| fungi | well, the summary above was the deep digging we did into neutron-specific responses and metrics so far. as much as anything the data we collected will serve as a baseline to compare future cycles against | 13:58 |
| fungi | each of the teams i mentioned, i attended one of their meetings and delivered a similar summarization | 13:58 |
| fungi | if there are specifics anyone's interested in, i can pull out more details as long as i keep things from the surveys properly anonymous | 13:59 |
| fungi | hopefully the above is enough to get you thinking about what else you're curious to dig into though | 13:59 |
| fungi | and as i said i'm happy to answer more specific questions later when you have them | 14:00 |
| haleyb | fungi: i'll have to look through the dump, and hopefully others do as well | 14:00 |
| fungi | that's all i had to present on the topic for now | 14:00 |
| haleyb | it would be good to have some kind of action item to work if we see a deficiency | 14:01 |
| haleyb | ok, i have to call it as i have another meeting | 14:01 |
| fungi | thanks! | 14:01 |
| haleyb | thanks for attending everyone, and have a good week! | 14:01 |
| haleyb | #endmeeting | 14:01 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting ended Tue Jul 29 14:01:37 2025 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:01 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/networking/2025/networking.2025-07-29-13.00.html | 14:01 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes (text): https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/networking/2025/networking.2025-07-29-13.00.txt | 14:01 |
| opendevmeet | Log: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/networking/2025/networking.2025-07-29-13.00.log.html | 14:01 |
| lajoskatona | Thanks, Bye | 14:01 |
| mlavalle | \o | 14:01 |
| ykarel | haleyb, i will inform Terry about bug deputy next week | 14:04 |
| haleyb | ykarel: great, thanks! | 14:04 |
| opendevreview | Elod Illes proposed openstack/networking-bgpvpn unmaintained/yoga: [CI] Remove tripleo-ci-centos-8-scenario004-standalone job https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/networking-bgpvpn/+/918666 | 14:17 |
| opendevreview | Elod Illes proposed openstack/networking-bgpvpn unmaintained/yoga: [CI] Remove tripleo-ci-centos-8-scenario004-standalone job https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/networking-bgpvpn/+/918666 | 15:15 |
| opendevreview | Elvira García Ruiz proposed openstack/neutron master: [SGL] Use admin context to retrieve log objs https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/neutron/+/956094 | 15:47 |
| cardoe | https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/neutron/+/955842 is the first backport I was asked to make. That's for 2025.1. Once that lands I'll do 2024.2 | 15:50 |
| opendevreview | Merged openstack/neutron unmaintained/wallaby: [unmaintained only] Remove fullstack jobs https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/neutron/+/956071 | 20:26 |
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