| jlk | Would be nice if various upstream projects would agree on foo=bar vs foo = bar in config file standards. | 00:00 |
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| Piet | If you haven't already, please complete the following the online card sort to improve the information architecture in Horizon. http://ows.io/os/0v46l867 | 16:13 |
| Piet | **Participants will be automatically added to a drawing for one of three HP 7 G2 tablets.** | 16:13 |
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| mfisch | ops meeting starting in 2 mins in #openstack-operators | 17:58 |
| mfisch | derp sorry | 17:58 |
| mfisch | in #openstack-meeting-4 | 17:58 |
| klindgren | hehehe | 17:59 |
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| harlowja | meeting room 4? | 18:02 |
| harlowja | holy crap there are that many meetings rooms | 18:02 |
| jlk | such openstack, very projects, much contention | 18:02 |
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| xavpaice | so was there an outcome on the discussions re a stackforge of tools for operators? | 18:53 |
| xavpaice | or is that generally what stackforge is anyway? | 18:54 |
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| mdorman | i think the outcome was essentially just to table it for later | 18:54 |
| alop | well that was fun | 18:55 |
| mdorman | when we originally set up the osops repo, people didn’t want to do stackforge because we just wanted a quick and easy place to put stuff | 18:55 |
| mdorman | without having to have all teh gating and other infrastructure that stackforge requires | 18:55 |
| xavpaice | that makes sense | 18:55 |
| mdorman | i don’t remember the full argument/reasons, but that’s how it happened the way it did | 18:56 |
| xavpaice | and is kinda why we leave stuff on our github too | 18:56 |
| mdorman | yeah | 18:56 |
| xavpaice | btw, we're re-writing a bunch of those collectd plugins, there's some serious inefficiencies in them | 18:56 |
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| mdorman | yeah i have a few ideas in mind on those, too | 18:59 |
| mdorman | just haven’t gotten around to it | 18:59 |
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| xavpaice | thanks for the pull request - we're using that option too, and is what triggered us looking at them more clearly | 19:02 |
| xavpaice | I've re-done the cinder plugin, but one of our devs pointed out something more helpful so I'll have another bash at it before calling it done | 19:03 |
| * xavpaice gtr | 19:03 | |
| mdorman | cool | 19:03 |
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| klindgren | who was it that sent out the email yeaterday about logs in openstack - that had a spec and the like | 19:38 |
| klindgren | I have an example of logs that it would be nice if they were more consistent across projects | 19:39 |
| klindgren | but I cant seem to find that email | 19:39 |
| klindgren | ? | 19:39 |
| mfisch | klindgren: want me to forward it? | 19:43 |
| mfisch | Rocheelle Grober | 19:43 |
| mfisch | has anyone seen where after a live-migration qemu doesn't stop on the orginal host? | 19:43 |
| mfisch | I now have 2 qemus running | 19:44 |
| klindgren | mfisch, please - I did some work to have logstash grab all of the api responses/timing stuff | 19:44 |
| klindgren | and to parse the differences between the wsgi logs between all the projects is crazy | 19:44 |
| klindgren | mfisch, I haven't done a live migrate - but is it asking you to accept the migrated vm? | 19:45 |
| mfisch | you dont need that with live | 19:45 |
| mfisch | I didnt do the migrate though let me sanity check | 19:46 |
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| mfisch | we've created a new nova command | 19:46 |
| mfisch | nova reproduce | 19:46 |
| klindgren | does that go through a different code path? IF so - care on sharing :-) | 19:48 |
| mfisch | all I know is that you dont have to accept it or whatever like a resize or cold migrate | 19:48 |
| mfisch | but its not supposed to leave the old one | 19:48 |
| klindgren | kk | 19:48 |
| mfisch | now I'm not sure which one is really responding to pings | 19:48 |
| mfisch | you need shared storage to do this | 19:49 |
| klindgren | wha wha wha... | 19:49 |
| mfisch | most vendors sales guys say YES IT WORKS GREAT | 19:49 |
| mfisch | the tech guys not so much | 19:49 |
| klindgren | yea personal prefrence... not to run root volumes off shared storage | 19:50 |
| klindgren | Due to past experience | 19:50 |
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| jlk | I don't suppose anybody is around that has done the libvirt/qemu upgrade on ubuntu? | 21:38 |
| jlk | my stuff isn't coming back right, even a simple virsh | 21:38 |
| klindgren | I haven't done it - but I saw some rumblings about it a while back? | 21:39 |
| jlk | yeah I've been following the thread | 21:39 |
| jlk | I'm running into something they weren't though. | 21:39 |
| klindgren | I can't help - sorry - I am RHEL based :-/ | 21:40 |
| jlk | I wish I were | 21:40 |
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| klindgren | honestly - I kinda wish we were ubuntu based on the compute nodes | 21:44 |
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| klindgren | mainly due to newer kernels and versions of libvirt/kvm/qemu | 21:45 |
| jlk | what the hell | 21:48 |
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| jlk | backign rev, then forwarding rev again worked. | 21:48 |
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| Rockyg | Hey! | 23:08 |
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| klindgren | hi - so logging | 23:09 |
| Rockyg | A question for operators: there is a config option for having logs output in syslog format. It only works if the message generator uses oslo.log, but it supposedly works. anyone using it, aware of it, etc? | 23:10 |
| klindgren | was parsing the wsgi stuff and noticed that the wsgi logs between all the services is pretty different | 23:10 |
| Rockyg | Yeah. I'm looking at your email. Pretty ugly. | 23:11 |
| klindgren | I know a few people are doing logs -> syslog | 23:11 |
| Rockyg | Do you need to put that in every projects' config file, or is it a set once globally? | 23:11 |
| klindgren | its in every project | 23:12 |
| Rockyg | UGLY | 23:12 |
| Rockyg | OK. good to know. | 23:12 |
| Rockyg | So, theoretically, if it were set in each of the projects you use, you'd get a consistent format (but only outside the payload, I'd expect) | 23:13 |
| Rockyg | Is wsgi logging a separate logging library/process from the project(s)? Do you know? I'm just digging in on this, so I've lots to learn ridiculously fast. | 23:14 |
| klindgren | I honestly dont know | 23:15 |
| Rockyg | But, I know how bad it is to have inconsistent logs and know that is the case right now for OpenStack. | 23:15 |
| Rockyg | that's ok. the logging working group has both devs and ops in it. the devs will know. | 23:16 |
| klindgren | afaik this issue is more payload logging being different | 23:16 |
| Rockyg | Yeah. That was what I thought and the meetings at the summit reinforced that idea. So, we have at least two problems. message format around the payload and the payloads themselves. | 23:17 |
| klindgren | outside of possibly the name of the module being logged | 23:17 |
| xavpaice | it's the multiline stuff that messes with syslog | 23:17 |
| Rockyg | Oh, yeah. that would. | 23:17 |
| Rockyg | I'm getting the log rationalization etherpad back up so I can add these questions to it. Need to collect up all the questions to make the devs work hard to explain why logging is so messed up | 23:20 |
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| Rockyg | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Log-Rationalization | 23:21 |
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| Rockyg | I'll transcribe this stuff into docs, agenda items, etc. | 23:22 |
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| Rockyg | There is one cross project spec out on log guidelines, and we need to get more operator input on it, but there are a couple more that are out there and not yet identified as crossproject. | 23:24 |
| Rockyg | That set is to get requestIDs passed in the log messages so that a glance info log message would have the nova requestID for matching | 23:25 |
| Rockyg | We also plan to put a cros project spec out for error codes | 23:26 |
| Rockyg | reqid is in payload, but error code is outside | 23:27 |
| Rockyg | I think mid to longer term is how we get the payloads more standard. We need to come up with a proposal that the devs can stomach, and get them to enforce it. Then we can get the old messages fixed during refoactors, bug fixes, etc. | 23:28 |
| Rockyg | klindgren: of all the log messages you sent me, is there one that has the info needed but is better/easier to read/parse/script for? | 23:30 |
| Rockyg | Oh, I see your suggestion at the bottom. Great! | 23:30 |
| klindgren | sorry - got a call - catching up | 23:30 |
| klindgren | yea - the suggestion at the bottom seems to be fairly close to what most projects were doing | 23:31 |
| klindgren | so other people can see what we are talking about: https://gist.github.com/krislindgren/586d289e477f02db09d9 | 23:32 |
| Rockyg | Cool. this is something we could likely make standard fairly quickly. Especially if it can use oslo.log to do the wsgi logging. | 23:33 |
| Rockyg | There are development projects that are hitting the same issues. so this is getting a little more traction. | 23:35 |
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| Rockyg | Another question I have: if the log format for a project is set to syslog (or systemd format), do the wsgi log message contents get rearranged? | 23:37 |
| klindgren | thats a good question - I do not know | 23:37 |
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| Rockyg | Part of my problem is that there are so many areas where logging can be improved, that I'm having a hard time focusing on high value, low hanging fruit | 23:38 |
| klindgren | If someone is using syslog can you pull some example logs from from services of the wsgi stuff and see if its rearanged - the examples I gave above are from icehouse | 23:38 |
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| Rockyg | The other thing I notice about the timestamps is that the nested one is a totally different format from the main one. | 23:40 |
| Rockyg | On the keystone message, the eventlet.wsgi.server, could you file a bug about it saying eventlet rather than keystone or keystone.eventlet? Tag it with "log" or "logging" and subcribe rockyg | 23:42 |
| Rockyg | I want to wade through the bug and identify the log bugs. I want as many bugs recorded as possible against bad/unclear/useless/wrong log outputs. | 23:43 |
| Rockyg | I figured out what the [-] means. It means that either there is no request id, or more likely, request id has not been implemented there yet. | 23:46 |
| klindgren | right but what about: [1377447c-beb0-4916-8fda-62062ec1c00f 02d775v09ngA fc4d336616d944ee86d04766d099fa3f - - -] | 23:48 |
| klindgren | [reqid user tenant/project ? ? ?] | 23:49 |
| Rockyg | Yeah. gotta track that one down. the reqid one was easy because I've been reading the specs/bps/patches | 23:49 |
| Rockyg | nova, cinder, glance have them for nova logs | 23:50 |
| Rockyg | http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/nova-specs/specs/juno/approved/log-request-id-mappings.html | 23:54 |
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