| mgagne | so ~2m before connection lost is detected and a new one is established right? | 00:00 |
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| mgagne | on a side note, I'm testing aptly, not too bad at all | 00:04 |
| klindgren | still testing that one.... :-) | 00:04 |
| klindgren | what I am noticing in gerneal | 00:04 |
| klindgren | is that if I get a rabbitmq error | 00:04 |
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| klindgren | I always see a message following it on the nova compute side that says <something> failed retrying in 1 second | 00:05 |
| klindgren | that message that follows is usually timestamped within 5ms or less | 00:05 |
| mgagne | haha 5ms < 1s :P | 00:06 |
| klindgren | so going to turn down the brokenness of haproxy to test rabbitmq failover | 00:06 |
| klindgren | well is like error trace | 00:06 |
| mgagne | logs lying to us? how could this be | 00:07 |
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| klindgren | 5ms later messag saying error, retyring in 1 second | 00:08 |
| klindgren | and then we get no errors following that | 00:08 |
| klindgren | so that a vast improvement over tracing forever :-) | 00:08 |
| klindgren | until you restart | 00:09 |
| mgagne | =) | 00:10 |
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| mgagne | klindgren: btw, I'm investigating the idea of dropping the concept of a long-live repository à-la UCA (which I'm currently using) for specialized repositories built and published by my projects. | 00:17 |
| mgagne | In fact, I believe dvorak shared a similar idea earlier this week. | 00:17 |
| mgagne | I came to the conclusion that trying to synchronize and version a monolithic repository where multiple projects can publish to is too challenging and prone to race conditions. | 00:18 |
| klindgren | yes it is | 00:19 |
| mgagne | klindgren: my goal is to have a similar setup to upstream openstack where multiple projects/commits can be done and tested at the same time but with binary packages. | 00:19 |
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| mgagne | klindgren: because I'm more or less heading toward using venv within .deb. I'm not ready for the container madness. | 00:20 |
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| mgagne | klindgren: what I would like to do is write about the different packaging and distribution methods with pros/cons. I don't think we will ever be able to come up with ONE magic packaging solution. but if we can educate people on the different methods, they will then be able to see and choose what fits their needs. | 00:24 |
| klindgren | yea | 00:25 |
| klindgren | I would like to move to venv's as well | 00:26 |
| klindgren | or more package wrapped venv's | 00:26 |
| klindgren | I am also not against doing lxc containers on that as well | 00:26 |
| mgagne | yea, looks like the saner direction to take for now | 00:26 |
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| klindgren | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-March/059034.html | 00:35 |
| klindgren | :-/ | 00:35 |
| harlowja | lol | 00:39 |
| harlowja | *i mean sorry, not funny | 00:40 |
| mgagne | jesus | 00:40 |
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| klindgren | is it sad that I am not even surprised/phased if thats what it really ends up doing? | 00:56 |
| mgagne | I'm not surprised | 00:58 |
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| mgagne | I'm not sure if the original author is actually using this feature in production or not | 00:59 |
| mgagne | and I'm not sure why it wasn't caught earlier | 01:00 |
| mgagne | I mean, someone should have seen that their instances disappeared each times they "archived" the tables | 01:01 |
| klindgren | so... side note heartbeating - the patch seemed to do nothing to fix nova/cells | 01:01 |
| mgagne | klindgren: how is it broken? | 01:02 |
| klindgren | restarted haproxy and got errors every 2 minutes in the api cell trying to send a rabbit message from the "cells" component of nova | 01:02 |
| mgagne | klindgren: isn't nova-cells using oslo.messaging? | 01:02 |
| klindgren | deletes seem to have left vm's running in child cells | 01:03 |
| harlowja | klindgren https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/compute/api.py#L1579 | 01:03 |
| harlowja | perhaps that commit in the _delete function is useful... | 01:03 |
| klindgren | mgagne, Failed to publish message to topic 'cells': [Errno 1] _ssl.c:1302: error:1409F07F:SSL routines:SSL3_WRITE_PENDING:bad write retry | 01:03 |
| harlowja | that probably won't phase u either though, lol | 01:04 |
| klindgren | is what I would see every 2 minutes | 01:04 |
| klindgren | from oslo_messaging._drivers_impl_rabbit | 01:04 |
| harlowja | 'cause a cast to the child cell' might be why, afaik those messages are just thrown out there, which probably == lost | 01:05 |
| klindgren | oslo_messaging._drivers.impl_rabbit | 01:05 |
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| klindgren | IN testing the rabbitmq stuff I noticed that I managed to get into a state where vm's are deleted from the api cell, but the rpc call blew up and never actually removed stuff in the child cells. Does anyone have a script to attempt to true up the compute cells to match the api cell in this event? | 17:21 |
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| harlowja | klindgren i wonder if the nova guys are addressing this in the new cells redesign, might be worth a ML post/email? | 17:27 |
| harlowja | i'm sure others would like to know :-P | 17:27 |
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| klindgren | I assume that you are talking about to the dev mailing list? | 17:29 |
| harlowja | ya | 17:37 |
| harlowja | or operators, or both? | 17:37 |
| mdorman | i would bet rax and/or nectar probably have some tooling around cleaning stuff up | 17:37 |
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| mgagne | harlowja: my understanding is that cells v2 will make the api cell a router. If the api cell is now aware of where each instances are located, I see no reason for cells to continue using broadcast instead of unicast message to manage instances. | 18:13 |
| harlowja | mgagne quite possibly, i'm not so sure on the details of cells v2 | 18:13 |
| mgagne | harlowja: me neither but my understanding is that api cell won't manage instance info in its own database anymore, it's just gonna route RPC calls to the appropriate cell bus and/or access the compute cell database directly. | 18:14 |
| harlowja | possibly, routing around stuff though i sort think makes inconsistencies/syncs even more problematic | 18:15 |
| mgagne | the idea is you avoid data discrepancy by not replicating anymore and accessing them directly | 18:15 |
| mgagne | yep | 18:15 |
| harlowja | at that point why isn't cells v2 just a load-balancer, lol | 18:17 |
| harlowja | i heard they route things around to, lol | 18:18 |
| harlowja | *and/or something completly external to nova | 18:18 |
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| mgagne | harlowja: some concepts need to be global such as AZ, flavors, aggregates, etc. so you still need some state in the api cell. | 18:25 |
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| harlowja | sounds like that could also seperate service (likes call it the AZ-flavor-aggregate service) that each nova 'cluster/cell/whatever' calls into to get such info, then u just put loadbalancers/other in front of them | 18:27 |
| harlowja | and then each nova cluster/cell just gets that information from 'AZ-flavor-aggregate service' and they don't need top level state-thing | 18:27 |
| harlowja | but to each there own, i just comment here, lol | 18:29 |
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| harlowja | then u can scale out 'AZ-flavor-aggregate service' and nova clusters as u wish (and independently...) | 18:31 |
| harlowja | and joe-blow service can also use info in 'AZ-flavor-aggregate service' if it wants | 18:32 |
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| mgagne | yet an other service to maintain =) | 18:43 |
| harlowja | meh, service oriented architectures have alot of services | 18:44 |
| harlowja | *see name, lol | 18:44 |
| harlowja | http://siliconangle.com/furrier/2011/10/12/google-engineer-accidently-shares-his-internal-memo-about-google-platform/ lol | 18:46 |
| harlowja | funny to read over that :-P | 18:46 |
| mgagne | yep, I also read one about Amazon and how a dictator forced all departments to communicate through API, making it easy later to release AWS which they already used internally | 18:48 |
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| mgagne | oh, it's the same article lol | 18:53 |
| mgagne | I thought it was a new one | 18:53 |
| mgagne | harlowja: thanks for that one, will share with our team again :P | 18:54 |
| harlowja | :-P | 18:54 |
| harlowja | '6) Anyone who doesn’t do this will be fired. | 18:54 |
| harlowja | 7) Thank you; have a nice day!' | 18:54 |
| harlowja | lol | 18:54 |
| mgagne | hehe | 18:57 |
| mgagne | I like this Jeff Bezos =) | 18:57 |
| harlowja | ha | 18:57 |
| mgagne | the part about his mandate | 18:57 |
| mgagne | It just makes sense. Even if people don't agree yet, they often agree later when situations and circumstances change | 18:59 |
| harlowja | :-P | 19:00 |
| harlowja | idk, amazon turned out ok, whether that email helped out or not, idk | 19:00 |
| harlowja | hard to correlate | 19:00 |
| harlowja | but SOA shouldn't scare people (and more services, meh, it at least worked out for amazon and others) | 19:00 |
| mgagne | I don't care much about Amazon but I do care about the general idea | 19:01 |
| harlowja | sure | 19:01 |
| mgagne | dev: why can't service X accesses service Y's database? why can't you open the port for me? | 19:03 |
| mgagne | netadmin: because you shouldn't, it's wrong | 19:03 |
| harlowja | ya | 19:03 |
| mgagne | and now you have devs ranting about our netadmin because they do not understand why they can't access the damn database | 19:04 |
| harlowja | ya, send them that link then, lol | 19:05 |
| klindgren | man - lots of new changes in oslo.config | 19:05 |
| klindgren | looks like everything is getting moved to its own config section - vs's stashing everything in "default" | 19:05 |
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| mgagne | klindgren: again? | 20:00 |
| mgagne | klindgren: what kind of changes? which sections? for what? | 20:00 |
| klindgren | mgagne, due checking out the rabbitmq heartbeat stuff | 20:01 |
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| klindgren | it looks like all the rabbitmq config options that were in DEFAULT sections are getting moved to its own oslo_messaging_rabbitmq section | 20:02 |
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