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| klindgren | Morning all - IN case you missed it on Friday - please please please help fill out the operator patches etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/operator-local-patches | 14:56 |
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| mgagne | klindgren: you should rename it for https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/operator-embarassing-patches | 16:03 |
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| klindgren | mgagne, ha | 16:04 |
| mgagne | /jk ;) | 16:04 |
| klindgren | most peoples seem to be backports of bug fixes | 16:04 |
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| mgagne | klindgren: now I need to find a way to publish those patches in a consumable way | 16:33 |
| mdorman | git diff | curl -XPUT http://gist.github.com | 16:34 |
| mdorman | :) | 16:34 |
| klindgren | mgagne, same here - figured would try to find the common ones or ones people wanted | 16:34 |
| klindgren | and work on those first | 16:34 |
| mgagne | morgan: my patches are against Icehouse Ubuntu packages :D | 16:34 |
| mgagne | morgan: sorry, wasn't meant for you :P | 16:40 |
| mgagne | klindgren: my patches are against Icehouse Ubuntu packages :D | 16:40 |
| morgan | mgagne: figured. | 16:40 |
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| egon | Does anyone have swap turned on in their VMs? | 17:28 |
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| klindgren | egon, we don't | 19:29 |
| klindgren | except under windows - because its windows... | 19:29 |
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| egon | Heh. | 20:34 |
| egon | I'm trying to find anyone who does. I think everyone has it disabled by default. | 20:34 |
| jproulx | egon I have has swop enabled on some VMs but our backing ephemeral store is network not local so we discourage it, why do you ask? | 20:36 |
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| mgagne | About the same here. If you *really* need a swap, create a file and enable swap on it: http://www.rackspace.com/knowledge_center/article/create-a-linux-swap-file | 20:41 |
| jproulx | If you really need a class of systems with swap you can use instance types to provide that and it does work (for me anyway with ubuntu cloud images as the usual VM operating system) | 20:44 |
| Rockyg | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-cross-project-session-planning | 20:44 |
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| klindgren | Rockyg - is the mitaka ops summit stuff been finalized somewhere? | 20:48 |
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| Rockyg | nope. This is the work etherpad for the cross project sessions. The intention is to schedule so ops can participate in them | 20:50 |
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| mgagne | klindgren: so I tested the AZ patch for cells: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PAO-LDT-cells-patches | 21:01 |
| mgagne | klindgren: I added a note but found that nova-api throws a KeyError for the first az-list call made, it's fine after. Any idea? | 21:01 |
| klindgren | mgagne, their was somehtign that didn't specifically work with that patch as well iirc | 21:02 |
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| klindgren | like service-list or something | 21:02 |
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| klindgren | I dont recall getting a key-error on az-list | 21:03 |
| mgagne | klindgren: are you using the database or json config? | 21:03 |
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| klindgren | json_config I *think* | 21:03 |
| klindgren | json_config | 21:04 |
| klindgren | and we have weight_offset and sale delimited | 21:04 |
| klindgren | err | 21:04 |
| klindgren | actually no | 21:04 |
| klindgren | we are using DB | 21:04 |
| klindgren | didn't look hard enough at the cells.json file | 21:04 |
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| mgagne | much more simple IMO to use with a masterless puppet setup | 21:05 |
| mgagne | but we used to have to patch Nova to make JSON works :-/ | 21:06 |
| klindgren | 302 - mdorman he kinda lead the design on that - I just get to deal with the outcome | 21:06 |
| klindgren | ha! | 21:06 |
| klindgren | the shift to cells was agreed upon - but happened when I was on vacation - so I am pretty fuzzy on some of the exact implementation details | 21:07 |
| mgagne | mdorman: you got some explaining to do young man! /jk | 21:07 |
| egon | jproulx: Yeah, we have swap disabled too, but 3 years later, someone is arguing about it. I was just wondering if anyone did anything different. | 21:13 |
| egon | mgagne: swapfiles have been as fast as swap partitions for a long time now, so that's definitely the modern approach. | 21:14 |
| klindgren | the real question is - do you want to deal with someone swapping a compute node to death | 21:15 |
| klindgren | or if you are ok with the end users app getting oomkilled | 21:15 |
| klindgren | we are ok with oomkilled | 21:15 |
| klindgren | but we also run instances on ephemeral storage - so if they want to enable swap via swap file we can't stop them | 21:15 |
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| mdorman | just saw notifications for my name here | 21:22 |
| mdorman | sorry, wasn’t paying attention | 21:22 |
| klindgren | blaming you for cells | 21:22 |
| klindgren | muahahaha | 21:22 |
| mdorman | ah, yep, pretty much | 21:22 |
| klindgren | mgagne, was asking for our cell setup - we use db vs's cells.json | 21:22 |
| mdorman | we are using db config, not json | 21:23 |
| mgagne | mdorman: ok, I'm testing AZ support for cells and it's not totally working with JSON config | 21:23 |
| klindgren | do we have some puppet stuff to automate that all together? | 21:23 |
| mgagne | mdorman: first call always fail. debugging now | 21:23 |
| mdorman | no, no puppet config for setting up cells in db. it has to be done manually | 21:23 |
| mdorman | iirc the AZ stuff was part of the patches we got from sorrison and i think the AZ components of it more or less just worked for us | 21:24 |
| mgagne | mdorman: I'm suspecting patch only support db config and first call always fails and caches empty result somewhere until nova-api is restarted | 21:24 |
| mdorman | it was the flavors i had a harder time getting to work for kilo and i think i eventually just gave up. | 21:24 |
| mdorman | mgagne: yeah that seems like a good hypothesis | 21:24 |
| mgagne | mdorman: logs are in nova-api log of api cell, nothing in nova-cells of api or compute cells | 21:25 |
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| mdorman | hmm. yeah i donno i’d hvae to look at it. it seems odd that there should be a difference between db vs. json config at that level though. | 21:28 |
| mgagne | mdorman: here is the logs I get: http://paste.openstack.org/show/473312/ | 21:29 |
| mgagne | but no trace of the error in the compute cell which doesn't help :-/ | 21:29 |
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| mdorman | what’s in your cells.json? | 21:36 |
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| mgagne | which one? | 21:38 |
| mgagne | In API cell: all compute cells. In compute cell: the API cell. | 21:38 |
| mgagne | no luck adding weight_scale to api cell config in compute cell. (just in case) | 21:39 |
| mgagne | will continue debug with LOG.debug and friends | 21:39 |
| mdorman | i was thinking in the api cell | 21:40 |
| mdorman | but i’m sure you have it right. | 21:40 |
| mdorman | i donno man | 21:40 |
| mdorman | i don’t really have any great ideas | 21:41 |
| mgagne | hehe | 21:41 |
| mgagne | I added weight_ to API cell configs already. I'm trying to debug where the error comes from. so far, it looks to not come from the compute cell | 21:41 |
| mgagne | oh hahaha | 21:44 |
| mgagne | I had a rogue nova-cells service | 21:45 |
| mgagne | mdorman: ^ | 21:45 |
| mdorman | hahah | 21:48 |
| mdorman | luckily something simple then :) | 21:48 |
| mgagne | yea, I should get ride of that nova-cells service | 21:48 |
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| mgagne | running it somewhere I shouldn't and always forget about it | 21:49 |
| mgagne | mdorman: so patch is working "fine" so far. hosts is empty so will need to debug again | 21:49 |
| mgagne | thanks for your moral support :P | 21:49 |
| mdorman | anytime! | 21:50 |
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| mgagne | mdorman: when listing AZ as admin, do you have info about services and compute nodes? | 21:56 |
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| mdorman | let me see | 22:11 |
| mdorman | like ‘nova availability-zone-list’ yo umean? | 22:11 |
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| mgagne | yea | 22:27 |
| mgagne | mdorman: ^ | 22:27 |
| mgagne | klindgren, mdorman: The script I use to sync Nova flavors across cells: https://gist.github.com/mgagne/6d9dfd23b7be0f380726 :D | 22:30 |
| mdorman | cool | 22:30 |
| mdorman | we had originally set it up with mysql triggers, since our api and cell dbs happen to be in the same mysql instance | 22:31 |
| mdorman | (that was intended to just be a temporary thing) | 22:31 |
| mdorman | and we rarely create new flavors | 22:31 |
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| mdorman | gotta run now, mgagne, but will be back tomorrow. have a good one. | 22:38 |
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| mgagne | mdorman: alright, have a good one! | 22:38 |
| mdorman | thanks | 22:39 |
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| klindgren | so just noticed this. Nova with neutron setup. When booting a vm with a secuirty group that doesn't exist you will get a 400 error saying the securitygroup is not found. | 22:46 |
| klindgren | However, if you attempt to boot a vm where a security group is created, but has a different case, the request goes through but the vm throws an error later on | 22:46 |
| klindgren | IE security group is "Testing" but you supplied "testing" or vise-versa | 22:47 |
| klindgren | Seems like if both nova and neutron treat security groups with case sensitivity - we should probably catch errors like this without blowing up way down in the stack, iwht an error that isn't resurfaced to the end-user | 22:48 |
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| egon | yeah, there's a lot of case sensitivity in openstack, even in cases where it probably doesn't make sense. | 22:49 |
| egon | someone explained that there were performance reasons for doing that | 22:49 |
| egon | and that changing it now was Too Hard. | 22:50 |
| egon | But, you still end up with strange case sensitivity cases. | 22:50 |
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| mgagne | klindgren: don't forget that MySQL might be case insensitive | 22:55 |
| mgagne | klindgren: last time I know of that someone tried to fix a similar case, it broke our cloud: https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-novaclient/+bug/1423885 | 22:56 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1423885 in python-novaclient "nova flavor-show inconsistent with mixed case in names" [Low,Fix released] - Assigned to Abhishek Talwar (abhishek-talwar) | 22:56 |
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| klindgren | mgagne, awsome | 23:02 |
| klindgren | ENEEDMOREALCOHOL | 23:03 |
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