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| klindgren | sorrison, re: metadata | 02:03 |
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| klindgren | we run metadata on every compute node vs's a designated network node | 02:03 |
| klindgren | binding 169.254.169.254 locally to loopback or dummy0 then applying iptables rules to snat traffic to 169.254.169.254 to 127.0.0.1:8775 (or whatever port metadata runs on) | 02:04 |
| sorrison | Ah ok, so do you not need/run neutron-metadata-proxy? | 02:09 |
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| klindgren | correct | 02:15 |
| klindgren | we dont run neutron-metadata-proxy | 02:15 |
| sorrison | hmm ok cool, I'll have a play. We are doing the big switch to neutron on Tuesday | 02:16 |
| klindgren | we have: -A PREROUTING -d 169.254.169.254/32 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to-destination :8775 in the nat table | 02:18 |
| sorrison | Yeah we had been adding that too but pointing it to the neutron-metadata-proxy to support pre migrated instances that don't have the route added. | 02:19 |
| klindgren | ip addr list lo | 02:19 |
| klindgren | <snip> | 02:19 |
| klindgren | inet 169.254.169.254/32 brd 169.254.169.254 scope host lo | 02:19 |
| klindgren | </snip> | 02:19 |
| sorrison | So --to-destination :8775 is valid? | 02:19 |
| klindgren | yea | 02:19 |
| klindgren | inside a vm: route -n shows: 169.254.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 1002 0 0 eth0 | 02:20 |
| sorrison | so why do you need to route in the instance? | 02:21 |
| klindgren | that makes the instance arp/send out the ip out the interface on the network just like any other subnet | 02:22 |
| klindgren | which then hits the iptables rules on the bridge - and gets the traffic snat'd | 02:22 |
| sorrison | but we don't have that route currently with our nova-network setup | 02:22 |
| klindgren | if you turn off zeroconfig iirc that route is there on pretty much all versions of windows/linuxes | 02:23 |
| sorrison | ok will have a play | 02:23 |
| klindgren | anyway if you have a nova-network setup - you *should* be able to do the exact same thing under neutron | 02:24 |
| sorrison | sweet, this makes it a lot simpler | 02:25 |
| sorrison | So then service_metadata_proxy would be set to false then I assume (the default) | 02:26 |
| klindgren | yea | 02:27 |
| drwahl | xavpaice: https://gist.github.com/drwahl/dfa16f85a2e1d342c1f7 | 02:32 |
| drwahl | that's more or less how we fixed the cookie issue | 02:32 |
| drwahl | may not apply cleanly if you don't build horizon into a virtualenv, but it's a simple enough patch you could apply it by hand | 02:33 |
| xavpaice | great, thanks for that! | 02:34 |
| drwahl | no problemo | 02:35 |
| drwahl | fwiw, it seems like HP has the same issue | 02:35 |
| drwahl | and they seem to have chosen to ignore it | 02:35 |
| xavpaice | I gather many do - I think the latest version has it fixed, but can't confirm cos I'm stuck on Juno till we can port our branding across to kilo | 02:35 |
| drwahl | ya. we're hopefully pulling the kilo trigger in a couple months | 02:36 |
| drwahl | we're ripping out NVP/OVS for a new network architecture (linux-bridge/vxlan+akanda) | 02:36 |
| xavpaice | that sounds rather big and scary :) | 02:36 |
| drwahl | more than you know :) | 02:37 |
| klindgren | Our juno to kilo stuff was delayed - until I could get some venv's built to run kilo code of nova/neutron on some cent6 compute nodes - that we were in the process of upgrading, but hadn't yet gotten around to | 02:37 |
| drwahl | that sounds manageable | 02:37 |
| xavpaice | kilo will be our first move to venv's - till now we're running respun versions of the cloud archive packages but there's... limitations | 02:38 |
| xavpaice | how are you folks deploying the venv's to prod? | 02:38 |
| drwahl | heh ya | 02:38 |
| klindgren | venv's man.... | 02:38 |
| drwahl | we are packaging our own stuff from github | 02:38 |
| drwahl | in venvs | 02:38 |
| drwahl | i'm working on pushing some of our stuff into public repos | 02:38 |
| drwahl | i.e. our jenkins jobs | 02:38 |
| drwahl | that build our stuff | 02:38 |
| xavpaice | packaging is kinda wide - debs/rpm/tarball? | 02:39 |
| drwahl | deb | 02:39 |
| klindgren | we use anvil to build a venv for us from a repo | 02:39 |
| drwahl | we're ubuntu | 02:39 |
| klindgren | then I have some stuff to package the stuff we care about into an rpm | 02:39 |
| klindgren | from the venv | 02:39 |
| xavpaice | cool - same. Looking forward to seeing your public repo | 02:39 |
| drwahl | working on it. but it might be a bit before i get it out there | 02:39 |
| drwahl | but very happy to share | 02:39 |
| xavpaice | I've been using dh_virtualenv so far and it seems to be quite reasonable | 02:39 |
| klindgren | so relocatable venv's are kinda pain | 02:40 |
| klindgren | and rootwrap is also "fun" | 02:40 |
| xavpaice | am very keen to hear how others are doing this | 02:40 |
| drwahl | we eseentially have a jenkins jobs that checks out the repo (and branch/revision), then builds a venv, installs the code into the venv, then uses FPM to package it all up | 02:40 |
| klindgren | we also had to deal with running our stuff in software collections ot get python27 on centos6 (native python26) | 02:40 |
| xavpaice | FPM! love that tool | 02:40 |
| drwahl | now that i'm in an ubuntu shop, i'm ok with FPM | 02:41 |
| drwahl | but at $previous_employer, we were a centos shop | 02:41 |
| * xavpaice used to use it to put gems into the Satellite server | 02:41 | |
| drwahl | and FPM doesn't produce SRPMs | 02:41 |
| xavpaice | tell you what, I'll get these kilo packages building and put them somewhere public so we can compare notes | 02:42 |
| drwahl | i can make our packages public(ish) as well | 02:42 |
| drwahl | that part is easy | 02:42 |
| drwahl | making sure the job that builds them is in proper order is more difficult | 02:43 |
| xavpaice | actually, I'll be able to get the build stuff public but not pretty - the packages themselves will be from our slightly modified repos so probably won't be useful to be public | 02:44 |
| drwahl | ya, that's the problem i'm having selling this whole "make things public" here | 02:45 |
| drwahl | our stuff may not be super useful publicly | 02:45 |
| drwahl | but we have solved some problems that could help others | 02:45 |
| drwahl | so even if our stuff can't be used as-is, the approach will likely be helpful for some | 02:45 |
| drwahl | or so my thought process goes | 02:45 |
| xavpaice | I'm really lucky that my employer is so pro open-source, we are really encouraged to be releasing anything that might be useful, as GPLv3 no less. | 02:46 |
| drwahl | ya, we are actually a really pro-open-source company as well | 02:47 |
| drwahl | but when there is a bunch of scripts that need passwords and stuff scraped from them that may not even be useful for the public, it's a bit harder to sell that work | 02:47 |
| xavpaice | for sure | 02:47 |
| drwahl | at the risk of sounding like i'm tooting my own horn, and in the interest of sharing, i've been blogging about how we are doing image building: https://www.dreamhost.com/blog/2015/09/24/dreamcompute-images-a-behind-the-scenes-look-at-our-image-building-process/ | 02:50 |
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| drwahl | i have another post that should be hitting that site early next week that goes into more details about how we're using veewee and such | 02:51 |
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| klindgren | xavpaice, drwahl_ were you guys saying that you would move to a new version of openstack as soon as you could port of your branding changes in horizon? | 15:00 |
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| klindgren | If so - how much owkr is the branding change stuff? | 15:00 |
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| drwahl | it wasn't so much the branding stuff | 15:01 |
| klindgren | we dont use horizon - for our end users - so we dont worry about branding it. Wondering if thats something we could ask to get made easier? in operator-local-patches | 15:01 |
| drwahl | but a complete re-architecture of the network :) | 15:01 |
| klindgren | kk | 15:01 |
| drwahl | we're going from VLAN using NVP+Akanda+OVS to VXLAN using Akanda+linux-bridge+ML2 | 15:02 |
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| mfisch | mriedem: not trying to be argumentative but I dont see how adding a new nova db manage command solves anything when the nova developers cant keep the other one That does something similar functional | 17:35 |
| mfisch | if the delete ever works it will break like the other one did and be ignored and eventually die | 17:35 |
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| mriedem | mfisch: i'm pretty sure most large deployments already have some kind of db prune script, i know that HP cloud and RAX have something like that | 17:38 |
| mriedem | and a lot of operators have said they don't want to archive things | 17:38 |
| mfisch | sure | 17:39 |
| mfisch | but nova devs aren't going to maintain it | 17:39 |
| mriedem | nova devs are going to maintain it more than a thing that does not exist in tree | 17:39 |
| mfisch | I'm very confused | 17:39 |
| mriedem | if operators are using it and there are problems, then i'd expect bugs to be reported | 17:39 |
| mfisch | archive deleted was reported as bugs a bunch | 17:39 |
| mriedem | mfisch: let's move to the nova channel | 17:40 |
| mriedem | since i'm not the voice for all of nova | 17:40 |
| mfisch | tbh I'm pretty megh | 17:40 |
| mfisch | meh | 17:40 |
| mfisch | bugs were filed | 17:40 |
| mfisch | it was discussed on the ML | 17:40 |
| mfisch | and it was ignored | 17:40 |
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| mfisch | its not priority for anyone over there and that's fine, we'll end up with the same with a new tool that does something similar | 17:41 |
| mgagne | drwahl: what are the purpose of "-gate" and "-promote-gate" jobs in https://www.dreamhost.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Screen-Shot-2015-09-23-at-6.10.04-PM.png ? | 17:44 |
| mgagne | drwahl: are they "dummy" jobs to satisfy Jenkins pipeline system? | 17:46 |
| drwahl | sigh... | 17:46 |
| drwahl | ya | 17:46 |
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| drwahl | it's just to make things look normal to the human eye | 17:46 |
| mgagne | hehe | 17:46 |
| drwahl | things look kinda goofy if you don't include those dummy jobs | 17:46 |
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| drwahl | but i figured that the whole point of that page was for us (humans) to be able to easily see where the promotion was at, so i did what i needed to make that easy to read | 17:47 |
| mfisch | mriedem: I'd love to have delete tools for nova and cinder and glance too, I just dont think the projects will maintain them. We're not big enough to write our own tooling for this stuff | 17:47 |
| mgagne | drwahl: yea, which plugin is used for this visualisation? | 17:47 |
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| drwahl | mgagne: i believe it's coming from https://wiki.jenkins-ci.org/display/JENKINS/Build+Pipeline+Plugin | 17:48 |
| mgagne | drwahl: we use the pipeline view plugin (which has serious performance issue) | 17:48 |
| mgagne | drwahl: hmmm | 17:48 |
| drwahl | our pipelines are small, so maybe we aren't noticing the perfomrance issues | 17:49 |
| drwahl | we literally have 2 pipelines. the one i shared in that blog post, and 1 other for our chef deploys, which looks mostly the same | 17:49 |
| mgagne | drwahl: ours are small too but I guess it's because some pipelines have jobs with thousands of builds :-/ | 17:49 |
| mgagne | drwahl: I tried https://wiki.jenkins-ci.org/display/JENKINS/Delivery+Pipeline+Plugin but it doesn't play well with trigger parameterized build | 17:50 |
| mgagne | drwahl: the visualisation is much more human and business friendly | 17:51 |
| drwahl | it seems to be working well enough for us | 17:51 |
| drwahl | we pass parameters between the jobs | 17:51 |
| mgagne | pipeline plugin works well, you can easily retrigger failed jobs with the same parameters | 17:52 |
| drwahl | - project: masseffect-image-promote-gate | 17:52 |
| drwahl | SMOKETEST_IMAGE_ID: '{SMOKETEST_IMAGE_ID}' | 17:52 |
| drwahl | current-parameters: true | 17:52 |
| mgagne | not with delivery pipeline plugin =( | 17:52 |
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| drwahl | ^ that's how we are doing it (with jjb) | 17:52 |
| mgagne | yea, same here too | 17:52 |
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| mgagne | hmm current-parameters, will have to check | 17:53 |
| drwahl | if we need additional parameters, we either add them to the top level of the pipeline or pass them through with the "property-file" option | 17:53 |
| mgagne | alright, thanks for the info | 17:55 |
| drwahl | np | 17:55 |
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| xavpaice | klindgren: I mentioned we'd upgrade Horizon - Juno to Kilo - but our branding was done in Icehouse, ported to Juno, and moving that to Kilo is harder than we thought because the Horizon code was refactored to make branding easier | 21:20 |
| xavpaice | making porting our branding across to the newer format hard - but not impossible | 21:20 |
| xavpaice | and miles easier in future | 21:20 |
| klindgren | kk - was thinking about adding osmehint in horizon to make "branding easier" | 21:21 |
| klindgren | but I assumeed they would have already done that | 21:21 |
| klindgren | something* | 21:21 |
| xavpaice | yeah, I think they did in Kilo but our dev went on holiday and isn't back till the summit | 21:21 |
| klindgren | thats a hell of a holiday - good on him | 21:21 |
| xavpaice | he needs it, so far he's the only full time dev in our team and is a bit... busy :) | 21:22 |
| xavpaice | another one starts soon, we're all looking forward to that | 21:22 |
| drwahl | the bigger story with the horizon stuff is they have been doing massive changes every release | 21:24 |
| drwahl | so it has been a fairly large chunk of work every release to get branding working again | 21:24 |
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| drwahl | they keep selling the changes with "it will be easier in the future", but so far, that hasn't proven true, 'cause it keeps completely changing | 21:25 |
| xavpaice | so I guess it's easier for people just starting out, but those of us wanting to take existing changes and port them have a hard time | 21:25 |
| prometheanfire | there's a reason I stopped packaging horizon | 21:25 |
| drwahl | we've just accepted that we'll be spending at least 1 sprint (2 weeks) fixing the branding stuff each release | 21:26 |
| drwahl | and if it gets better, yay. but until we see things *actually* get easier, we'll plan on 1 dev being busy each sprint when we're looking to upgrade | 21:26 |
| xavpaice | still, that's probably less maintenance than writing a custom replacement | 21:26 |
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| mgagne | true story about horizon theming... doing kilo upgrade and we just kept horizon icehouse due to theme forward porting madness | 21:29 |
| mgagne | combined with Ubuntu offline compression madness that I still don't fully understand =( | 21:30 |
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| drwahl | lol | 21:30 |
| drwahl | i had to fix that offline-compression stuff here | 21:30 |
| drwahl | that was fun... | 21:30 |
| mgagne | yea, I took some patches somewhere to do something | 21:30 |
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| xavpaice | we did a customer survey, and the biggest thing people wanted improved was the dashboard - which is what prompted us to get the Juno dash in place before upgrading any of the rest | 22:06 |
| xavpaice | we've got a large number of small customers that find the dashboard essential, and a small number of large customers that don't need it at all - so I guess it depends on who the target market is | 22:08 |
| drwahl | heh, we did a customer survey and found pretty much the same thing | 22:11 |
| drwahl | we're considering writing a horizon replacement (but that will be further down the road) | 22:11 |
| serverascode | drives me crazy, so many customers just using openstack as a vps | 22:12 |
| serverascode | basically same here on the use of horizon | 22:12 |
| xavpaice | I'm happy for customers to use OpenStack for whatever they like, but I also try to explain to them the limitations and how to design apps so that's not an issue | 22:13 |
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| mgagne | hehe same here | 23:10 |
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| mgagne | people that don't need the dashboard are using 3rd party tools and are literally harassing us to make our cloud "standard" so those tools work. Unfortunately, those tools often assume the standard is Rackspace and/or use legacy API calls which were only relevant when nova-network was used or Glance wasn't a thing. So when I see thread about deprecating old API versions, it frustrates me because I know it would break most or all 3rd party to | 23:13 |
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| mgagne | [...] or all 3rd party tools. | 23:15 |
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| serverascode | that's a good point re 3rd party tools | 23:24 |
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| klindgren | mgagne, agreed re: third party tools | 23:44 |
| klindgren | I have heard that from itnernal customers on more than one occasion | 23:44 |
| klindgren | "I dont have a private network and public network in my project". Um yea- thats not an openstack standard - your project that you are using is wrong. | 23:45 |
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