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| klindgren_ | we do not use it | 15:18 |
| egon | we do not either. | 15:19 |
| egon | of course, we avoid even saying "amazon" in the office, so ;-) | 15:19 |
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| j^2 | mdorman, balajin_ either of y’all ping? | 15:57 |
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| klindgren_ | plz to hold - I will ping mdorman | 15:59 |
| j^2 | no worries | 15:59 |
| mdorman | sup | 15:59 |
| j^2 | so for the OSOps room, i’m thinking something like: | 15:59 |
| j^2 | OSOps is a project to help get shared Operators tools, experiences, and workflows in one location. It's designed to help elevate the people who run OpenStack clouds and help share common pitfalls in any scale of their cloud. Anyone interested in running an OpenStack cloud should consider watching the OSOps project. | 15:59 |
| j^2 | to help “sell it" | 15:59 |
| j^2 | thoughts? | 16:00 |
| mdorman | yeah i like it | 16:00 |
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| j^2 | its generic enough, but at the same time scopes the project | 16:00 |
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| j^2 | nice, i think i may put it on the wiki page too? | 16:00 |
| mdorman | that’s a good idea | 16:01 |
| j^2 | cool making it so | 16:01 |
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| j^2 | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Osops#Welcome.21 | 16:03 |
| j^2 | I put draft infront of it so we can discuss it in Tokyo too | 16:03 |
| mdorman | kk. yeah i imagine we can spend some time on the “project kick off” type activities there, since we are so new | 16:04 |
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| klindgren_ | so new, yet I feel like we have been doing this for so long :-) | 16:04 |
| mdorman | haha | 16:04 |
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| j^2 | ha! | 16:05 |
| j^2 | yeah true dat | 16:05 |
| j^2 | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/osops-toyko-2015 | 16:05 |
| j^2 | if y’all want to add anything else | 16:05 |
| j^2 | more info, conversations we have there _now_ better chance we’ll get deliverables by the end | 16:06 |
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| mdorman | klindgren_: and i are double booked at that time, butwe should be able to work it out for one of us to come. | 16:15 |
| klindgren_ | I think I only need like 3 clones this time | 16:18 |
| mdorman | yeah hte fact that all the regular sessions are video’d is the only saving grace | 16:19 |
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| balajin_ | +2 to j^2 | 17:56 |
| balajin_ | klindgren_: and i like the internal pings :) | 17:56 |
| j^2 | :D | 17:56 |
| balajin_ | so it is not just me | 17:56 |
| klindgren_ | :-D | 17:56 |
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| klindgren | http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2015/10/21/Japan-earthquake-with-magnitude-of-55-jolts-Fukushima/7021445439008/ | 18:24 |
| klindgren | guess chance of having a large earthquak during the sumimt is fairly low.. | 18:25 |
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| mdorman | j^2: were we having a meeting today? i can’t remember what was decided | 19:03 |
| j^2 | Nope I though it was next week at summit | 19:03 |
| j^2 | But I could be wrong | 19:04 |
| j^2 | Yeah no one is in the meeting rooms | 19:05 |
| klindgren | *sigh* | 19:06 |
| klindgren | I was in the meeting room? | 19:06 |
| klindgren | :( | 19:06 |
| mdorman | kk that’s fine. | 19:06 |
| klindgren | but thats fine - I can focus on other things | 19:07 |
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| j^2 | Cool, if anything is important just post to ML, and post thoughts to the etherpad for our face to face. That's all I was going to say if we did have the meeting | 19:09 |
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| mdorman | sounds good. | 19:11 |
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| Rockyg | So, I missed the start.... | 19:18 |
| Rockyg | can someone post the etherpad link? | 19:18 |
| xavpaice | 05:05 < j^2> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/osops-toyko-2015 | 19:19 |
| xavpaice | that one? ^^ | 19:19 |
| j^2 | Yep! | 19:19 |
| j^2 | More points we collect there the easier we can get deliverables at the end | 19:21 |
| j^2 | That's my personal goal from our working session, we need deliverables to keep us going | 19:22 |
| xavpaice | for sure | 19:22 |
| jlk | wheee | 19:23 |
| jlk | any of you had fun with figuring out rootwrap killfilter paths for services that run out of virtualenvs? | 19:23 |
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| Rockyg | cool. I wonder if I've added the session to my schedule? | 19:23 |
| andyhky | jlk: that sounds fun. | 19:24 |
| andyhky | but no. | 19:24 |
| xavpaice | how do we divide between these tools and things that should be in python-openstackclient because we need them? | 19:24 |
| Rockyg | have a meet with Dean Troyer. He's the PTL of openstackclient | 19:25 |
| Rockyg | I *think* | 19:25 |
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| xavpaice | j^2: when I saw the slot on the schedule originally, I thought it was a Chef session - might be good to add a little note on the slot to prevent others making the same mistake? | 19:33 |
| j^2 | Yeah I posted something on the ML to Lauren about updating the schedule. | 19:34 |
| xavpaice | cool | 19:34 |
| Rockyg | Oh, do you have a link to the session? I didn't add to my schedule because I thought the same thing | 19:35 |
| j^2 | It's under the design summit and at the top of the etherpad | 19:35 |
| j^2 | I'm on my phone ATM | 19:35 |
| Rockyg | Ah. OK. | 19:35 |
| j^2 | Gotta love irccloud :) | 19:36 |
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| klindgren | jlk - only somehwat | 19:37 |
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| klindgren | just ended up making the rootwrap script thats always refrenced in nova or neutron - forgot which a shell script thats activates a venv and calls the real rootwrap script | 19:38 |
| klindgren | one lets you give the true path to the rootwrap script - the other is hardcoded to a specific path | 19:39 |
| xavpaice | how are you deploying the code in a venv? | 19:40 |
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| xavpaice | s/how are you/what method are you using to/ | 19:40 |
| klindgren | we specifically used anvil to build the venv with our deps. Then I patched that together with some rpm spec files to bundle everything up into packages that matched the "normal packages" that we used to deploy | 19:42 |
| klindgren | since we were doing it mainly to run kilo code on servers who os only supports python26 natively | 19:42 |
| xavpaice | ouch! | 19:43 |
| * xavpaice is glad to be using Ubuntu | 19:43 | |
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| klindgren | well your day is coming ;-) | 19:43 |
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| xavpaice | so far, I've used dh_virtualenv with some degree of success, but it's by no means finished | 19:43 |
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| klindgren | yea - the rootwrap stuff is kinda a pinta | 19:44 |
| xavpaice | biggest challenge for me so far is getting apache to play ball with venv's - but I cheated and switched to uwsgi | 19:44 |
| klindgren | because it calls rootwrap wihtout any of the venv stuff activated. or in our case - python27 + venv activated | 19:44 |
| xavpaice | I'll do some more digging with that one, and see how painful it gets - the warning is much appreciated! | 19:45 |
| klindgren | we are only using venv's on the hack above - everywhere else is native packages. But we will need to change that as we start running mismatched project versions | 19:45 |
| xavpaice | it's the mismatched versions that has driven me down the venv road | 19:45 |
| klindgren | also building relocatable venv's is not a solved thing in python land | 19:46 |
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| xavpaice | yeah, dh_virtualenv puts the venv in a place that doesn't need relocating so it's not so bad, but that won't help at all with people not using debian variants | 19:47 |
| * xavpaice has to go teach a course, back later | 19:47 | |
| egon | containers | 19:47 |
| egon | everything gets installed into a container | 19:48 |
| egon | we're on ubuntu too, though. | 19:49 |
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| jlk | klindgren: so our problem isn't finding the rootwrap script. Our problem is that the rootwrap system gets to the KillFilter part, and KillFilter will either look at a full path (if a filter provided a full path to an executable) or it looks at $ENV for the path. | 19:52 |
| jlk | klindgren: so in our case, the process we're killing is /opt/bbc/some/other/venv/path/python /some/other/path/here/for/neutron-agent | 19:53 |
| jlk | and the killfilter just says python, -9 | 19:53 |
| jlk | since /opt/bbc/whatever isn't in the user's $PATH, killfilter rejects the call | 19:53 |
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| klindgren | that is all sorts of sigh | 20:02 |
| jlk | even more sigh worthy, you /can/ configure paths where things live inside of rootwrap.conf | 20:03 |
| jlk | but the KillFilter doesn't care about that | 20:03 |
| klindgren | ENEEDMOREALCHOHOL | 20:04 |
| klindgren | jlk, is it possible to set the exec_dirs path in rootwrap.conf to specifically include your /opt/bbc/whatever? | 20:05 |
| klindgren | docs say that it used in place of path if specified | 20:06 |
| jlk | nope | 20:06 |
| jlk | that's used for FilterPath | 20:06 |
| jlk | that's used for one part of the check, but not another | 20:06 |
| jlk | https://github.com/openstack/oslo.rootwrap/blob/master/oslo_rootwrap/filters.py#L148-L149 | 20:07 |
| jlk | PathFilter is used to find the command you want rootwrap to do | 20:07 |
| jlk | (eg "kill") | 20:07 |
| jlk | whereas KillFilter finds the path of the process from the PID you pass it, and just looks to see if the path to the thing you want to kill is in your $PATH, or was listed with a full path in the KillFilter line itself. | 20:08 |
| jlk | what that protects against, I have no effing idea. | 20:08 |
| klindgren | that reminds me of where downloaded images are stored as the sha1sum of the *uuid* of the image. in nova compute | 20:09 |
| jlk | .... | 20:09 |
| klindgren | I can only assume that was suppose to be the sha1sum of the image not the sha1sum of the uuid of the image | 20:09 |
| klindgren | and someone never checked that was working right | 20:10 |
| jlk | does it stream the file to a temporary location before moving it into place? | 20:10 |
| jlk | I wouldn't want it to load the whole image in memory to do the sha before writing it to disk | 20:10 |
| klindgren | well its even better :-D | 20:10 |
| klindgren | download happens on .part | 20:11 |
| klindgren | when downloaded - depending on if you have it set to use raw-backed qcow it will convert to from qcow2 to raw | 20:11 |
| klindgren | and store it as the sha1sum of the uuid of the image | 20:11 |
| klindgren | which also means since each compute server downloads and converts the file individually you can never be sure that the downloaded file is not corrupted/changed between compute nodes | 20:12 |
| jlk | .... | 20:12 |
| klindgren | the thing is glance stores the checksum of the image as a metadata field | 20:14 |
| klindgren | which I *think* is the sha1sum of the image | 20:14 |
| klindgren | just seems like sha1suming the uuid of the image was a total waste of time and only serves to make it more of a pain in the ass to try to tie things together. | 20:15 |
| klindgren | had to figure out the above when I wrote an ansible script to pre-cache images onto compute nodes - that was *GOOD* times let me tell you | 20:17 |
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| j^2 | klindgren: that seems like something that should be common practice | 20:20 |
| jlk | RIP HP public cloud. | 20:20 |
| j^2 | IIRC you pushed up that playbook | 20:20 |
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| klindgren | j^2, iirc we did | 20:21 |
| klindgren | someone had something similar at workday/CERN/bluebox - might be mixing up talks that I attended | 20:21 |
| klindgren | I think it was cern that did a preso on using squid to cache stuff so they could download everything | 20:21 |
| klindgren | I did ours using bittorrent+ansible | 20:22 |
| jlk | Rackspace had an image pre-cacher | 20:22 |
| jlk | s/had/has/ | 20:22 |
| jlk | they were trying to push it up as a built-in feature of glance, and was getting all kinds of push back | 20:22 |
| klindgren | I remember that | 20:22 |
| klindgren | yet another feature glance should have | 20:22 |
| klindgren | the ability to precache popular images on compute nodes | 20:23 |
| jlk | instead we get metadata? | 20:23 |
| klindgren | btw - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/LDT-glance-asks | 20:23 |
| klindgren | glance might be the next thing that we start tackling to get some "sane" feature in there | 20:24 |
| j^2 | :) | 20:27 |
| klindgren | https://github.com/openstack/osops-tools-generic/blob/master/ansible/playbooks/template-prestage.yaml | 20:27 |
| klindgren | it is there... cool | 20:27 |
| egon | what happened to HP public cloud? | 20:27 |
| andyhky | http://h30499.www3.hp.com/t5/Grounded-in-the-Cloud/A-new-model-to-deliver-public-cloud/ba-p/6804409#.ViftG36rQuU | 20:27 |
| jlk | http://h30499.www3.hp.com/t5/Grounded-in-the-Cloud/A-new-model-to-deliver-public-cloud/ba-p/6804409#.ViftG36rQuU | 20:27 |
| andyhky | "Therefore, we will sunset our HP Helion Public Cloud offering on January 31, 2016. " | 20:28 |
| Rockyg | news travels fast on IRC ;-) | 20:34 |
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| klindgren | Thats a pretty fast exit | 21:15 |
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| verdurin | klindgren: Yes, in my previous job, which involved collaborating with CERN, exactly such a pre-caching tool was created | 21:48 |
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| klindgren | yea - we initially worked with an intern there a while back who showed us his whitepaper - before he did a summit presentation on it | 21:59 |
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