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| raginbajin | nd_ You would have to modify your policy.json to not allow it to happen. The way we do it is create a keystone usergroup, put people into that, and then tell nova policy that unless you are the tenant owner you can't delete the instance. You could also say that only the owner can create it by modifying the policy.conf file as well. THere is some flexibility there. | 12:54 |
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| raginbajin | Running rabbit is one of the most painstaking things I have done in a long while. It's not very clear to me when an issue is happening.. Suddenly we have a few l2population-update_fanouts that are getting unack'ed messages, but if you wait long enough they go away. | 12:57 |
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| clayton | We're actually planning to turn off l2pop when we upgrade to liberty | 14:26 |
| clayton | even if you have arp responder on, I don't think it really buys you very much | 14:26 |
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| clayton | mostly just another thing that can break, and more flows that have to be setup. | 14:27 |
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| raginbajin | clayton | 15:17 |
| raginbajin | clayton: You guys are running vxlan right | 15:17 |
| clayton | yeap | 15:17 |
| raginbajin | Ok. Then that's the same as we are.. Hmmm. Going to have to look at that then and see what that does or doesn't do for us. | 15:17 |
| clayton | it doesn't do much. it doesn't prevent flood of multi-cast or broadcast | 15:18 |
| clayton | if you have arp responder on, then it saves you having to talk to the remote system to get their mac address | 15:18 |
| clayton | but I don't think arp over vxlan is a huge problem for most people | 15:18 |
| raginbajin | yeah. Just my luck it'll become a huge problem. | 15:19 |
| clayton | it probably wont' save you if it does | 15:19 |
| clayton | without l2pop, a flow is put in place every time it recieves traffic from from a new mac address from a tunnel that it hasn't seen before | 15:20 |
| clayton | if you turn on l2pop, that *still* happens, plus l2pop also puts an additional flow in place that does the same thing | 15:20 |
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| jlk | clayton: alright, thanks. | 17:24 |
| clayton | ? | 17:25 |
| clayton | oh, from like 3 days ago :) | 17:25 |
| jlk | clayton: rabbit tuning. I was off the grid traveling | 17:25 |
| clayton | nod | 17:25 |
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| raginbajin | Is anyone using ipset instead of just pure iptables? I remember hearing someone saying they tried it and it was causing problems, but I think I may be starting to hit a point where iptables is taking too long. | 18:47 |
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| jlk | I think we're using ipset | 18:54 |
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| raginbajin | I see a long discussion between the devs and klindgren about it.. We are running juno, which according to the bug report seems to be ok. We plan on moving directly to liberty, so I'm not sure if we are going to run into this issue. | 18:56 |
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| klindgren | we are using ipset | 19:01 |
| klindgren | we jsut had some issues with ipset going batshit crazy in neutron on a box | 19:01 |
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| raginbajin | Did you guys figure out when you had to start using ipset vs staying with just iptables? | 19:02 |
| klindgren | trying to repeat some operation that was failing (like removing an ipset that doesn't exist) or applying iptables rules that includes an ipset rule that had been removed | 19:02 |
| klindgren | and churning like a mofo on that. | 19:03 |
| klindgren | as oddly as they came - they left | 19:03 |
| klindgren | so they backported some fixes - but I haven't had ipset/iptables churning in a while now. We did move to kilo.2 so that should have had some fixes backported to it iirc. | 19:04 |
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| raginbajin | I gotcha.. | 19:06 |
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| raginbajin | We are starting to get some neutron errors when vms are starting to be built and it looks like its only on boxes that have a large amount of iptables rules >40000 | 19:06 |
| raginbajin | So, I'm thinking that is slowing down the neutron agent and moving to ipset may resolve the issue. | 19:07 |
| klindgren | So TL;DR the problems stopped happening -even though I feel like we didn't get to the bottom of what was really going on, since the problem went away I haven't looked anymore at it | 19:07 |
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| klindgren | so the only thing I hate about ipsets is it makes it hard to debug if a HV is filtering a vm | 19:08 |
| klindgren | and the fact that they really missed the chance to optimizie rulesets. | 19:08 |
| klindgren | We have alot of default rule setsthat get applied to bascially all the vm's. I had hoped that it would do some smart things like if a rule repeates multiple times throw it into an ipset, but it only create ipsets per vm | 19:09 |
| klindgren | and it only seems to consildate multiple hosts into an ipset rule (or atleast thats what I have noticed) | 19:10 |
| klindgren | raginbajin, I assume the issue is the amount of time it takes to create/update the full iptables rules is the issue? | 19:11 |
| klindgren | ie the delay at some point is create the iptables-save file format and then loading those rules into the kernel | 19:12 |
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| raginbajin | klindgren I believe it is the delay that is causing the problems. We eventually get a Unexpected vif_type=binding_failed when trying to build a vm | 20:02 |
| raginbajin | it doesn't happen 100% of the time, but as more instances get on there, it starts to pick up | 20:02 |
| klindgren | what is your binding timeout value in nova? | 20:03 |
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| klindgren | we are rocking: vif_plugging_is_fatal=True | 20:05 |
| klindgren | vif_plugging_timeout=300 | 20:05 |
| clayton | you guys following the openstack-dev thread about splitting the design summit out? | 20:07 |
| klindgren | off and on | 20:09 |
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| raginbajin | klindgren We leave them at default, so that is vif_plugging_is_fatal = True and vif_plugging_timeout = 300 | 20:20 |
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| rawl | Does Horizon happen to have a limit regarding how many Projects it will list in the drop down? Seeing an issue where a project created via UI is not displaying in the Projects drop down. This enviornment has a rather large list of projects which is what made me wonder if a limit existed. | 20:44 |
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| lhcheng | rawl: I don't believe there is a limit, but I don't think it was tested too with a high limit. Like how many projects does your user have? | 20:58 |
| raginbajin | rawl: We have this problem as well and there is no option to configure it. You have to have people go to the Identity Section on the left side and then down to Projects. | 21:10 |
| raginbajin | Then they can go in and search for their project, and click on the "Set as Active Project". | 21:11 |
| raginbajin | If they click the linked name they will get an error. | 21:11 |
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| rawl | :lhcheng this specific deployment has about ~1100 tenants. | 21:27 |
| rawl | raginbajin: It may be something else then, because the project does not show up in that search, hmm. I can confirm via the CLI and DB that it’s there though. | 21:27 |
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| lhcheng | rawl: and users have access to all 1k tenants? | 21:28 |
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| lhcheng | rawl: what session backend do you for horizon? using a db or memcache session backend might fix your issue. | 21:31 |
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| rawl | lhcheng: this one is using the default it seems. django session engine. That’s a good suggestion though. As for the users I hadn’t thought about that I was checking as the admin user. | 21:40 |
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| lhcheng | rawl: if you're running as admin user, you don't have to assign the user to all tenants. Just assign it to one tenant and grant it admin role. It should achieve the same thing. | 21:43 |
| lhcheng | rawl : but you already have the setup running.. so just try the session backend thing. | 21:44 |
| rawl | yea, it’s running fine it’s just that someone created a project and realized they couldn’t see it in the list and when I did the same to test/confirm I saw the same results. I’ll look down that road though, thanks lhcheng! | 21:45 |
| lhcheng | rawl: sure, good luck! | 21:45 |
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| klindgren | mriedem_away, re: that sepc you added me on. "when creating server instance if no specific network is provided in the create request and none are available to the project." I didn't realize the other day this was a no network provided and no network was available condition. | 22:43 |
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