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| raginbajin | clayton: I have a question for you regarding turning off l2_population.. When we turn it off, hosts are unaccessible until we go to the newly created instance and have to ping out. Is this something you guys saw? | 14:23 |
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| clayton | no, but we're turning it off as part of our liberty upgrade | 14:23 |
| clayton | so kind of a special case | 14:24 |
| raginbajin | Ok. So, we are seeing that on all builds, vm to vm communication across hypervisors will fail until the newly created instance sends a ping or any other type of network connection to put the arp out on the tunnel. | 14:28 |
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| admin0 | raginbajin: isn’t that normal in networking ? .. without arp and without learning mac address, it will fail ? | 14:48 |
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| klindgren | admin0, ish - but I think what he's saying is that the problem is that other vm's can't reach the new vm - until the new vm pings out. IE it wont respond to arp and nothing knows how to get it until it creates traffic outbound | 14:57 |
| admin0 | oh .. | 14:58 |
| admin0 | checked using tcpdump on the interface and on the bridge .. if the VM sees the arp request | 14:58 |
| admin0 | ? | 14:58 |
| klindgren | normal arp would be broadcast on the L2 interfaces and a server will be able to see that and respond. It sounds like that doesn't work until something happens on the vm to talk to the HV | 14:58 |
| klindgren | yea I am also curious where the arp stops making it | 14:59 |
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| klindgren | as from my experience with this issue, is that if something breakes connectivity or its idle loungh enough the arps/flows are forgotn and the other side will "drop offline" until the vm initiates traffic again from its ip | 15:00 |
| raginbajin | klindgren is exactly right.. We can not connect to that new vm till it initiates traffic out | 15:04 |
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| admin0 | raginbajin: normally routers will cache the arp for say 2-5 mins ( on busy networks ) and then its forgotten | 15:06 |
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| raginbajin | It'snot sitting there for a long time either.. This is a brand new vm that as soon as it comes up and is ready, we try to ssh to it | 15:07 |
| raginbajin | and nothing.. | 15:07 |
| admin0 | raginbajin: then you need to run tcpdumps all over to see where the arp comes and where it stops | 15:07 |
| admin0 | the VM must be getting that arp packet to respond back | 15:08 |
| raginbajin | These are tenant routers within Neutron as well, so they are not busy. | 15:08 |
| raginbajin | That's what we are doing.. I know clayton is starting to go without l2_pop so I'm wondering what we are differently. | 15:08 |
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