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| fifieldt | anyone here for the ops meetups team meeting? | 14:01 |
| mrhillsman | o/ | 14:01 |
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| fifieldt | yay! | 14:01 |
| serverascode | yup | 14:01 |
| shintaro | o/ | 14:01 |
| fifieldt | fantastic | 14:01 |
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| fifieldt | let me hit the button | 14:01 |
| fifieldt | #startmeeting Ops Meetups Team | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 14 14:01:39 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is fifieldt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ops_meetups_team' | 14:01 |
| fifieldt | Hello all, and welcome to the third meeting of the Ops Meetups Team :) It's great to have you here. | 14:01 |
| mihalis68 | I only have unpaid irc cloud access so far from work, so anything before I joined I can't see | 14:01 |
| fifieldt | you're just in time - nothign yet :) | 14:02 |
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| fifieldt | NB: If you're new, or just idling in the channel, be sure to have read: | 14:02 |
| fifieldt | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Ops_Meetups_Team | 14:02 |
| fifieldt | for background. | 14:02 |
| mihalis68 | glad to be here this time, sorry I missed the last one | 14:02 |
| fifieldt | Today's agenda is fairly exciting. We had a great discussion on the sizing of meetups on the ML, and our friends at BestBuy and Bloomberg have both come back with fantastic information about their venues. | 14:02 |
| fifieldt | # link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team | 14:02 |
| fifieldt | We need to come to a very rapid decision on the venue for the August meetup. This meeting will be critical for that. | 14:02 |
| fifieldt | Though, we also need to spend some time every meeting thinking about the "big picture" plan :) | 14:02 |
| fifieldt | As always: please write your name down on the agenda etherpad as a way of introduction, since we're a new crew. Also, please help to collaboratively summarise the discussion. | 14:02 |
| fifieldt | Secondly, if there's something else burning to put on the agenda (very likely I've missed something obvious), please add it to that same etherpad. | 14:02 |
| fifieldt | Now, onto the first topic: | 14:02 |
| fifieldt | #topic Review of actions from previous meeting | 14:02 |
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| fifieldt | We had 3 main action items | 14:02 |
| fifieldt | 1. gfa_ and fifieldt to email Bloomberg and BestBuy to determine venue feasibility for the August ops meetup | 14:02 |
| fifieldt | This one will be its own agenda item | 14:02 |
| fifieldt | 2. dc_mattj to write the justificaiton for smaller meetups and communication on the M | 14:03 |
| fifieldt | ML* | 14:03 |
| fifieldt | This was done | 14:03 |
| fifieldt | in general there was support for what was discussed in this meeting last time | 14:03 |
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| fifieldt | I will followup with dc_mattj and vw since they don't appear to be here to get them to summarise the discussion | 14:03 |
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| fifieldt | #action fifieldt to ask dc_mattj and vw to summarise smaller meetup discussion :) | 14:04 |
| fifieldt | 3. mrhillsman to write up a proces for managing the waitlist and send to ML for discussion | 14:04 |
| fifieldt | This was a lower-priority action :) | 14:04 |
| mrhillsman | boooo | 14:04 |
| fifieldt | so it's cool to have it take a bit longer | 14:04 |
| fifieldt | shall we keep it as an action, mrhillsman ? :) | 14:04 |
| mrhillsman | i sent email - basically using eventbrite | 14:04 |
| fifieldt | oh! | 14:04 |
| fifieldt | I missed it | 14:05 |
| mrhillsman | no one objected from what i saw | 14:05 |
| fifieldt | cool | 14:05 |
| fifieldt | looks like we've got a process then :) | 14:05 |
| fifieldt | mark it off :) | 14:05 |
| fifieldt | ok, enough administrivia then | 14:05 |
| fifieldt | I'm sure everyone is really keen to talk about the first agenda item | 14:05 |
| fifieldt | unless there were issues with the other action items? | 14:05 |
| fifieldt | ok | 14:06 |
| fifieldt | #topic Report from the August 2016 Midcycle Venue selection crew | 14:06 |
| fifieldt | gfa, shintaro | 14:06 |
| fifieldt | are you available to give a quick rundown? | 14:06 |
| * fifieldt also keeps in mind that mihalis68 is here too | 14:06 | |
| fifieldt | are we OK to link to that etherpad yet? | 14:07 |
| * fifieldt hears silence | 14:08 | |
| mrhillsman | :( | 14:08 |
| fifieldt | ok | 14:08 |
| fifieldt | in the interests of driving this forward | 14:09 |
| fifieldt | here's the summary | 14:09 |
| fifieldt | we emailed both of the crews at bloomberg and bestbuy, with a series of questions and dove deeper into the venues | 14:09 |
| fifieldt | you can find the summary on | 14:09 |
| fifieldt | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetup-venue-discuss | 14:09 |
| fifieldt | please take a look there and raise questions for the next little bit | 14:10 |
| fifieldt | while I keep rambling | 14:10 |
| fifieldt | The good and bad news is that both venues seem very good :) | 14:10 |
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| fifieldt | both have large theatres of size 150-200 | 14:10 |
| fifieldt | at least another breakout room that does 30 | 14:11 |
| fifieldt | they're not soulless "hotel"-like spaces either :) | 14:11 |
| fifieldt | so we have a really difficult decision ahead of us | 14:11 |
| fifieldt | I'm not sure if mihalis68 feels like spruiking? :) | 14:11 |
| mihalis68 | I don't know, I've never spruiked! | 14:12 |
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| fifieldt | we're engineers, it's not in our ability :P | 14:12 |
| fifieldt | well, the big question is: | 14:12 |
| fifieldt | how do we decide ? | 14:12 |
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| fifieldt | welcome back sir shintaro :) | 14:12 |
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| shintaro | don't know why but I was off line | 14:13 |
| fifieldt | all good :) | 14:13 |
| fifieldt | I just sent a link to our venue specs etherpad | 14:13 |
| fifieldt | and posed the question | 14:13 |
| fifieldt | "How do we decide?" | 14:13 |
| fifieldt | We need to decide how to decide today, in this meeting :) | 14:13 |
| mrhillsman | i like the idea of the nyc venue because it coincides with openstack days east | 14:13 |
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| shintaro | yes, both looks good and not much difference | 14:14 |
| serverascode | are the facilities essentially equivalent? seems like it | 14:14 |
| mihalis68 | I am a bit hesitant to comment, being one of the "hosts" | 14:14 |
| fifieldt | I consider your opinion as valid as any mihalis68 :) | 14:14 |
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| mihalis68 | however an idea might be to ask for "likely attendance" for each venue from mailing list members | 14:14 |
| mihalis68 | I mean, if seattle in August were to look like drawing a better crowd, I'd go to seattle happily | 14:15 |
| serverascode | I think it becomes and east coast west coast question | 14:15 |
| mihalis68 | where was the last NA one? | 14:15 |
| mihalis68 | sorry, I should khow | 14:15 |
| fifieldt | west coast | 14:15 |
| fifieldt | palo alto | 14:15 |
| mihalis68 | I went to Philly last year | 14:15 |
| mihalis68 | or was that 2 years ago, OMG | 14:16 |
| fifieldt | Mar 2015 :) | 14:16 |
| mihalis68 | ok, so not entirely losing mind | 14:16 |
| mihalis68 | 3 summits since then | 14:16 |
| fifieldt | what do others think about asking "likely attendance" for each venue from mailing list members | 14:17 |
| mihalis68 | maybe I should make statements and see if there are comments | 14:17 |
| mihalis68 | are both offers suitable to everyone according to the selection criteria? | 14:17 |
| fifieldt | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Operations/Meetups#Venue_Selection | 14:17 |
| mrhillsman | +1 | 14:18 |
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| shintaro | I guess both looks fine | 14:18 |
| fifieldt | hi dc_mattj | 14:18 |
| dc_mattj | afternoon, sorry I'm late | 14:18 |
| fifieldt | quick summary for you dc_mattj: both bloomberg and bestbuy venues seem feasible | 14:18 |
| fifieldt | there's an etherpad at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetup-venue-discuss | 14:18 |
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| fifieldt | hi VW | 14:19 |
| VW | hey folks, sorry I'm late | 14:19 |
| fifieldt | quick summary for you VW: both bloomberg and bestbuy venues seem feasible | 14:19 |
| fifieldt | there's an etherpad at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetup-venue-discuss | 14:19 |
| fifieldt | the question is: How do we decide? | 14:19 |
| fifieldt | one suggestion so far from mihalis68 was "an idea might be to ask for "likely attendance" for each venue from mailing list members" | 14:19 |
| fifieldt | others commented on east vs west coast | 14:19 |
| fifieldt | what do you think? | 14:19 |
| mihalis68 | trying to be neutral, the best buy venue appears to be a tad larger, the NYC venue appears to be on the coast slightly more "due" | 14:20 |
| dc_mattj | for folks from Europe, NY is obviously better travel wise | 14:20 |
| fifieldt | I'd tend to agree with mihalis68's assessment | 14:21 |
| mrhillsman | i like the idea of asking the mailing list but we need to put a time on it | 14:21 |
| VW | well, my first reaction - as someone who wants to maximize a limited budged for mid-cycles and Summits - I'd lean towards the option that is less expensive to get to to and to stay in | 14:21 |
| dc_mattj | VW, +1 | 14:21 |
| VW | but dc_mattj makes a good point about it being easier to pull from Europe | 14:21 |
| fifieldt | mrhillsman, agreed - we basically need a decision within 7 days, I'd say, to give us the best chance | 14:22 |
| mihalis68 | How about we see if we can get a voting with feet direction in a few days? | 14:22 |
| dc_mattj | travel aside, the breakout rooms seem a bit small on the BestBuy venue / | 14:22 |
| mrhillsman | doodle poll? | 14:22 |
| mihalis68 | "hey everyone, there are these two venues <link>. They both seem ok, could you say which you'd likely attend if chosen?" | 14:23 |
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| mrhillsman | +1 | 14:23 |
| fifieldt | so, freeform? | 14:23 |
| fifieldt | no doodle poll ? | 14:23 |
| fifieldt | do we lay more info in the ML post - eg talk about coasts being due, talk about travel, talk about sizing? | 14:24 |
| fifieldt | or keep it as mihalis68 has written? | 14:24 |
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| dc_mattj | I'd keep it simple | 14:24 |
| shintaro | +1 for mihalis68 | 14:24 |
| dc_mattj | decision needs to be quick | 14:24 |
| dc_mattj | just lay it out there and get some numbers | 14:24 |
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| mihalis68 | someone not a host nor Tom volunteer to write just the email asking for sentiment? :) | 14:25 |
| mrhillsman | i can if you all do not mind it happening some time from now | 14:25 |
| mrhillsman | i am about to travel so will be afk | 14:25 |
| mihalis68 | I can do it today, but I should say that I have an interest in the result | 14:26 |
| serverascode | what happens if it seems like there are more ppl than either capacity | 14:26 |
| mrhillsman | waiting list | 14:26 |
| serverascode | ok | 14:26 |
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| mihalis68 | I don't think we can get a bigger venue for august. These are the offers | 14:27 |
| VW | what are we pointing them to for details - this etherpad? | 14:27 |
| mihalis68 | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetup-venue-discuss | 14:27 |
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| serverascode | right, I suppose I'm saying I'm sure we'll have a good crowd either way | 14:27 |
| mrhillsman | indeed | 14:27 |
| VW | do we want to do that with info from those offering up the space? | 14:27 |
| VW | emails, internal processes, etc? | 14:27 |
| mihalis68 | the most important thing IMO is choose which and allow it to be locked in an travel planning to start. I am aware that NYC in August is not easy, for example | 14:27 |
| fifieldt | not sure what the question is VW | 14:28 |
| fifieldt | +1 mihalis68 | 14:28 |
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| VW | I just didn't know if all the info in that etherpad were details we wanted to share publicly, but I re-read it | 14:29 |
| VW | ignore me | 14:29 |
| mihalis68 | Ok, unless objections, I'll write an email outlining two venues and asking for a response indicating likely attendance ASAP. How should that response be recorded? | 14:29 |
| VW | :) | 14:29 |
| mihalis68 | someone mentioned a polll | 14:29 |
| mihalis68 | i haven't made a poll, but I like that | 14:29 |
| mihalis68 | I do not want to be a mailing list scraper :) | 14:29 |
| fifieldt | yes, so there are two tasks here | 14:29 |
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| fifieldt | 1. Sending the "hey everyone, there are these two venues <link>. They both seem ok, could you say which you'd likely attend if chosen?" | 14:30 |
| fifieldt | 2. Making a decision from the result | 14:30 |
| dc_mattj | +1 for a poll | 14:30 |
| mihalis68 | 3 tasks | 14:30 |
| mihalis68 | 0 make poll | 14:30 |
| mihalis68 | 1 email | 14:30 |
| mihalis68 | 2 tally | 14:30 |
| fifieldt | ack | 14:30 |
| VW | do we want to have a special, one-off, meeting next Tuesday to review the results? | 14:30 |
| fifieldt | works for me | 14:31 |
| mihalis68 | I can | 14:31 |
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| mihalis68 | is there precedent for a poll to select this before? | 14:31 |
| mihalis68 | or a similarly quite important decision? | 14:31 |
| fifieldt | nope, this is first time | 14:31 |
| fifieldt | oh, polls get used for others t | 14:31 |
| fifieldt | other stuff | 14:31 |
| mihalis68 | one question: will we be able to make real contact with a worthwhile body of operators? | 14:32 |
| mihalis68 | I wonder. Could the foundation help just a tad here? | 14:32 |
| fifieldt | ideas? :) | 14:32 |
| mihalis68 | if we make a poll, getting the word out? | 14:33 |
| VW | if you can get it out today/tomorrow, I have an LDT meeting on Thursday | 14:33 |
| mihalis68 | I guess just tweet it and ask foundation to retweet that? | 14:33 |
| fifieldt | consider it done | 14:33 |
| VW | I'll make sure to point it out to those folks | 14:33 |
| mihalis68 | ok who makes the poll? | 14:33 |
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| fifieldt | someone should do it immediately | 14:33 |
| mihalis68 | someone who knows how, is my suggestion. Not that I think it's hard in principle | 14:33 |
| fifieldt | there's only two options :) | 14:33 |
| dc_mattj | I think I can make a doodle poll | 14:33 |
| fifieldt | quickly sir, you've got 3 minutes :) | 14:34 |
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| mihalis68 | ha ha. Now we're cooking with gas | 14:34 |
| mrhillsman | doodle poll is pretty straight forward | 14:34 |
| fifieldt | hi jproulx - basic update: nyc and seattle both good go go for next midcycle. | 14:34 |
| mihalis68 | ok dc_mattj makes poll then I email it to the mailing list and tweet it and a few other people tweet and then the foundation? | 14:35 |
| fifieldt | talking about hot to decide | 14:35 |
| jproulx | nice! I see the polling discussion | 14:35 |
| fifieldt | sounds good | 14:35 |
| mihalis68 | my email will explain the situation. I can tweet a link to this email in the archives | 14:35 |
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| fifieldt | then we meet at this time next week for a quick decision meeting? | 14:35 |
| mihalis68 | works for me | 14:35 |
| fifieldt | #action dc_mattj to make a doodle poll with the two midcycle options | 14:35 |
| fifieldt | #action mihalis68 to email out a 'simple' "hey everyone, there are these two venues <link>. They both seem ok, could you say which you'd likely attend if chosen?" | 14:36 |
| VW | Not to side track, but this leaves me with two follow ups. 1. Do we set the one not chosen up for next summer and get ahead of the game. 2. Do we also try to follow with an East/West/Central type of cycle for North American mid-cycles | 14:36 |
| fifieldt | #action fifieldt to arrange a meeting next Tuesday | 14:36 |
| fifieldt | oh yes, this is a good point | 14:36 |
| fifieldt | when is Boston, again? | 14:36 |
| fifieldt | Boston summit | 14:36 |
| VW | April | 14:36 |
| VW | well, May | 14:36 |
| mihalis68 | that's difficult because I think there was an agreement that next meet up should be opposite the next summit globally | 14:36 |
| fifieldt | ah, indeed | 14:37 |
| mrhillsman | ^ | 14:37 |
| VW | that's why I said a year from now | 14:37 |
| mihalis68 | that's too hard for today. HEAD HURTS | 14:37 |
| VW | :) | 14:37 |
| VW | so +2 midcycles from this one | 14:37 |
| jproulx | So second place would be after Sydney | 14:37 |
| mihalis68 | I can say that if we (Bloomberg) don't have our offer accepted I would expect us to offer again | 14:37 |
| mihalis68 | we are really only on the cusp of big openstack action here (such excite!) | 14:37 |
| mrhillsman | @VW 1. i think that would be good if venue agrees 2. also agree with that | 14:37 |
| dc_mattj | http://doodle.com/poll/e4heruzps4g94syf | 14:38 |
| fifieldt | #action give that man a beer | 14:38 |
| jproulx | +1 | 14:38 |
| dc_mattj | shout if it needs any more detail than that | 14:38 |
| mihalis68 | very good! | 14:38 |
| mihalis68 | simple, elegant | 14:38 |
| jproulx | I like it | 14:39 |
| fifieldt | well, I think a good reply to mihalis68's post on the ML will be about the summit rotation | 14:39 |
| fifieldt | and talking about the offset there | 14:39 |
| fifieldt | I think we're also likely to get a few east coasters piping up :) | 14:39 |
| fifieldt | since it's been a while | 14:39 |
| fifieldt | so maybe all will work out as per VW's plan | 14:39 |
| fifieldt | ? | 14:39 |
| mihalis68 | of course, just getting location "sentiment" maybe makes the strict location rotating slightly less critical | 14:39 |
| mihalis68 | I mean if a venue is offered and a lot like it... that's kind of all we need? | 14:40 |
| mihalis68 | or have we promised? | 14:40 |
| mrhillsman | ok good peoples, i have to get on the road, apologies for skipping out a bit early | 14:40 |
| mrhillsman | ttyl | 14:40 |
| fifieldt | thanks mrhillsman | 14:40 |
| fifieldt | VW, is the current plan of action here OK, or do you think we need to re-think it? | 14:40 |
| VW | no, looks good | 14:40 |
| VW | was just thinking outloud | 14:40 |
| fifieldt | your out loud thoughts are good ones :) | 14:41 |
| fifieldt | OK, so, has this topic made sufficient progress? | 14:41 |
| VW | I'd love to be in a spot where we know venues 6 to 12 months out | 14:41 |
| fifieldt | that is very true, VW | 14:41 |
| VW | so, I figured we could take advantage of two offers - either outcome | 14:41 |
| mihalis68 | in future I can foresee a "call to host" | 14:41 |
| jproulx | mihalis68 I think we perfer and have made public statements about rotation, but obviously the community could change it's mind... | 14:41 |
| VW | but hes, fifieldt - sufficient progress made | 14:41 |
| fifieldt | ok, in the interests of keeping the meeting lean and clean | 14:42 |
| fifieldt | provided there are not any remaining concerns people want to raise | 14:42 |
| fifieldt | we should move on to the next topic? | 14:42 |
| mihalis68 | +1 | 14:42 |
| jproulx | +1 | 14:42 |
| shintaro | +1 | 14:42 |
| VW | +1 | 14:43 |
| fifieldt | ok | 14:43 |
| fifieldt | so, my thought was to call this one: | 14:43 |
| fifieldt | #topic "Big picture" topic of the week | 14:43 |
| fifieldt | It's easy to get caught up in organising the next one | 14:43 |
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| fifieldt | but I think VW hits on the right idea - we also need to be thinking about the future | 14:43 |
| jproulx | T | 14:43 |
| fifieldt | we have so many questions about how these events are going to continue to run | 14:43 |
| fifieldt | many of them came up in the first meeting | 14:44 |
| fifieldt | so I tried to make a list at | 14:44 |
| fifieldt | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Ops_Meetups_Team#Approach | 14:44 |
| fifieldt | In the last 15 minutes | 14:44 |
| fifieldt | my hope was that we could choose one topic from there | 14:44 |
| fifieldt | and make some solid progress | 14:44 |
| fifieldt | thoughts? | 14:44 |
| fifieldt | favo[u]rite topic? | 14:44 |
| VW | well, we can probably knock a couple off quickly. Any reason NOT to have two a year? | 14:45 |
| VW | and we are pretty set on about 200 max, right? | 14:45 |
| fifieldt | yes, so last week's topic was the sizing | 14:45 |
| fifieldt | but, how many per year might seem simple at first | 14:45 |
| fifieldt | could become more complicated | 14:46 |
| fifieldt | say, for example, we're pretty happy that 150-200 is the number | 14:46 |
| jproulx | I like the list, seems like something good to review after each event (once we get initial answers down) | 14:46 |
| fifieldt | and we always end up with waiting lists of excellent people | 14:46 |
| fifieldt | would there be scope for having more events? | 14:46 |
| fifieldt | such as a US and an Asia in a single cycle | 14:47 |
| fifieldt | or, a special event for large deployers | 14:47 |
| fifieldt | or telco | 14:47 |
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| fifieldt | any thoughts in that kind of direction? | 14:47 |
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| fifieldt | because, I mean, I deally, wouldn't we have tens of thousands of openstack sysadms? | 14:47 |
| jproulx | Think that's a wait & see topic | 14:47 |
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| fifieldt | quite possibly | 14:48 |
| fifieldt | but, what happens if a particular geographical community just comes to us and says "hey, we want to organise one!" | 14:48 |
| jproulx | If we're too big then perhaps specialization becomes the way to go (or perhaps larger events). I think now we're ok around 200 (though it *may* prove to be a bit restrictive) | 14:48 |
| fifieldt | call it "Eastern Europe Ops" | 14:48 |
| VW | I like the idea of working group/team related events | 14:49 |
| VW | but need to think on that | 14:49 |
| jproulx | like OpenStackDays<Foo> with an operations focus? sure if there's local organizers who's to say no, the mor ethe merrier | 14:49 |
| VW | my gut is to let demand drive increasing the number | 14:49 |
| dc_mattj | VW, +1 | 14:49 |
| VW | if we get as many or more on the waiting list as we do attending, we know that it's time to increase | 14:49 |
| mihalis68 | it does become something different somewhere north of recent sizes | 14:50 |
| VW | or realistically - 50%+ of the attendees on the wait least | 14:50 |
| shintaro | We are planning to have Ops workshop in Days Tokyo to increase awareness to the OpsMeetups | 14:50 |
| fifieldt | :D | 14:50 |
| mihalis68 | even in philly it was often two discussion in different parts of a large room | 14:50 |
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| jproulx | mihalis68 +1 that does become problematic | 14:50 |
| shintaro | I would be great if we have some way to feedback to the original OpSMeetup | 14:51 |
| jproulx | some sort of integration engine perhaps... | 14:51 |
| fifieldt | *fishslap* | 14:52 |
| fifieldt | indeed shintaro | 14:52 |
| fifieldt | On that note, and this goes toward mihalis68's recommendation that we communicate more broadly about the venue choice too | 14:52 |
| fifieldt | there's an entry on the list for | 14:52 |
| fifieldt | * managing "echo chamber" effect, and "elitism" | 14:52 |
| jproulx | +1 | 14:53 |
| fifieldt | we've got to make sure we take in every damn viewpoint we can | 14:53 |
| fifieldt | and so having a way to integrate these events like shintaro's ops workshop | 14:53 |
| fifieldt | into the planning and the participation | 14:53 |
| fifieldt | sounds pretty key :) | 14:53 |
| fifieldt | just not sure how! | 14:53 |
| fifieldt | thoughts? | 14:53 |
| jproulx | I think geographic rotation helps with this, but not enough. | 14:53 |
| mihalis68 | we are meeting in only 7 days | 14:53 |
| mihalis68 | maybe we all take an action to ponder the remaining items on the excellent list and have some thoughts we can share then? | 14:54 |
| dc_mattj | +1 | 14:54 |
| fifieldt | works for me | 14:54 |
| mihalis68 | only 6 minutes left in this meeting anyway | 14:54 |
| fifieldt | anyone down with finishing early? | 14:54 |
| mihalis68 | +1 | 14:54 |
| jproulx | Having events build on each other so they are an evolving conversation rather than isolated events is a worthy goal | 14:54 |
| mihalis68 | agreed | 14:55 |
| fifieldt | +1 | 14:55 |
| jproulx | that's my last word for the day :) | 14:55 |
| fifieldt | someone should write that down | 14:55 |
| shintaro | +1 | 14:55 |
| mihalis68 | can spend the last 5 minutes googling fish slap for my edification | 14:55 |
| fifieldt | :D:D | 14:55 |
| fifieldt | highly recommended | 14:55 |
| fifieldt | ok | 14:55 |
| fifieldt | well, thank you very much for coming to this meeting | 14:55 |
| fifieldt | we've made solid progress today thanks to your efforts | 14:56 |
| dc_mattj | tx all | 14:56 |
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| VW | so, same bat time, same bat channel next week? | 14:56 |
| mihalis68 | TTFN | 14:56 |
| mihalis68 | yes | 14:56 |
| fifieldt | Yessir VW | 14:56 |
| jproulx | thanks all! | 14:56 |
| fifieldt | until then puppet --noop apply site.pp | 14:56 |
| fifieldt | ciao | 14:56 |
| shintaro | thanks | 14:56 |
| fifieldt | #endmeeting | 14:56 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 14 14:56:46 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetups_team/2016/ops_meetups_team.2016-06-14-14.01.html | 14:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetups_team/2016/ops_meetups_team.2016-06-14-14.01.txt | 14:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetups_team/2016/ops_meetups_team.2016-06-14-14.01.log.html | 14:56 |
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| mihalis68 | email done | 15:13 |
| mihalis68 | anyone here see it? | 15:13 |
| admin0 | email ? | 15:14 |
| mihalis68 | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2016-June/010695.html | 15:14 |
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| mihalis68 | the email saying we want people to give feedback on venue choice via a poll | 15:14 |
| jproulx | mihalis68: now I've seen it :) looks good, thanks. | 15:15 |
| mihalis68 | I'd like to know if that met people's expectations asap before I dive back into $DAYJOB | 15:15 |
| mihalis68 | ah ok, Great, thanks @jproulx ! | 15:15 |
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| mihalis68 | I invite people to tweet about this poll | 15:18 |
| mihalis68 | I just tweeted a link to my email, but however people can get the word out is fine by me | 15:19 |
| mihalis68 | and if someone from the foundation is on-line here if they can publicize it that would be good | 15:19 |
| mihalis68 | I want the operators to hear about this! | 15:19 |
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| jproulx | mihalis68 stole lots of your text to post on LinkedIn OpenStack group (as I recently discovered in some places people actually use that much to my surprise) | 15:30 |
| mihalis68 | steal away! | 15:30 |
| mihalis68 | and thanks! | 15:30 |
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| serverascode | how did ppl select both in the openstack ops venue poll? I can't seem to do that | 15:40 |
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| mihalis68 | someone in touch with Matt Jarvis? I am hearing the poll forces either/or not both venues | 15:47 |
| serverascode | yeah I was just trying to set both and can't seem to do it | 15:48 |
| mihalis68 | I emailed matt.jarvis@datacentred.co.uk about this | 15:49 |
| mihalis68 | email from the etherpad | 15:49 |
| serverascode | cool tahnks | 15:50 |
| mihalis68 | I think he changed it to force either or after a couple of votes. I got an update about the poll because I registered with Doodle | 15:50 |
| mihalis68 | I think voting for both is fine and should be allowed | 15:50 |
| serverascode | I would think taht if you want to get numbers you have to allow both | 15:51 |
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| mihalis68 | yes | 15:51 |
| dc_mattj | the doodle poll for the ops mid cycle location should now allow multiple selection | 15:52 |
| dc_mattj | if anyone has been trying to select both | 15:52 |
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| serverascode | cool thanks dc_mattj :) | 15:53 |
| mihalis68 | I voted for both. If it's not NYC I will see you in Seattle! :) | 15:56 |
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| jproulx | Hmmm I have a meeting in 15min where I'm supposed to talk to a user about 'allowed_address_pairs' in Neutron, but while I can still find docs about it in the API I can't find the command line I though existed ... can anyone offer a pointer? | 16:49 |
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| mgagne | jproulx: neutron port-update <port-uuid> --allowed-address-pairs type=dict list=true ip_address=10.13.0.0/24 | 17:21 |
| med_ | https://ask.openstack.org/en/question/84676/how-to-add-multiple-ip-inside-allowed-address-pairs/ | 17:24 |
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| mrhillsman | hey peeps, should that doodle poll allow folks to select both venues? | 19:10 |
| mrhillsman | nvm, i see the previous discussion | 19:10 |
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| jproulx | med_ thanks for that pointer | 19:33 |
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| klindgren | jproulx, we make heavy use of allowed-addresspairs | 20:42 |
| klindgren | (little late) but feel free to ask any questions | 20:42 |
| klindgren | from a stupid simple standpoint all it does is add the requested ip's/mac's to the anti-spoofing rules that neutron creates on the port | 20:43 |
| klindgren | so that traffic to/from those IP's can pass through the anti-spoofing rules for those specific ip's/mac addy's | 20:44 |
| klindgren | assuming the use of SDN network with L3 gateways - it does nothing to impact/change that behavior | 20:44 |
| klindgren | most people use it to have an IP that they use pacemaker/keepalived/whatever to move between two vm's. | 20:45 |
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| jproulx | klindgren yeah that's exactly the use case, I just needed to find the mechanics. | 20:48 |
| jproulx | neutron help port-update makes no mention of the --allowed-address-pairs option so discovering the syntax was a small adventure | 20:50 |
| klindgren | neutron port-update 90a65080-06d9-445a-bc15-3a1b2964835d --allowed-address-pairs type=dict list=true ip_address=10.224.78.24 | 20:54 |
| klindgren | its an extension that should be enabled by default - but you may have to specifically enable it | 20:54 |
| klindgren | to see if it worked do a port show and you should see the allowed_address_pair section contain something other than a {} | 20:56 |
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| jamespd | jproulx: be aware of the fact that CIDRs from allowed_address_pairs can affect security group filtering in scary ways. | 22:34 |
| jamespd | i.e. If a port is in the default security group and has allowed address pair (SOME_MAC,10.0.0.0/8), then the security group rule "allow all traffic from default group" implies "allow all traffic from 10.0.0.0/8 too." | 22:36 |
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| * jamespd tried to convince neutron devs that this behaviour dangerous and non-intuitive, but nobody seemed to care :/ | 22:38 | |
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| asselin | hello, I'm looking for ansible work that finds unmounted attached cinder volumes, and formats/partitions/mounts them so they're ready to go. Any tips where to look? | 23:14 |
| xavpaice | that sounds scary | 23:16 |
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| asselin | xavpaice, why's that scary? | 23:17 |
| xavpaice | what if a volume isn't mounted but has a filesystem with data on it, or is a 'raw' device used for a database? | 23:18 |
| xavpaice | also - we typically don't have access to our customer's VMs, and formatting volumes for them would introduce vast costs that would be difficult to recover | 23:19 |
| asselin | yeah, I'm taking this from a customer using a cloud point of view. They just use ansible to launch a vm, create a volume, attach it. Now they want to partiition/format/mount it (idempotently) so that they can install their services on it. | 23:22 |
| xavpaice | sounds like the sort of job for cloud-init | 23:27 |
| serverascode | asselin: there is an os_volume module, but you would have to parse cinder output and then attach unattached voumes, then there is a filesystem moudle that will create an fs on that device | 23:28 |
| jamespd | asselin: depending on your hypervisor, you might get information from the metadata service about your block device mapping. | 23:28 |
| serverascode | but I'm assuming you have a bunch of existing volumes not creating new ones on a new instance creation | 23:28 |
| jamespd | most likely, it will be easier to just scan for /dev/vd? from inside the instance, or orchestrate from outside the instance using APIs as serverascode suggest. | 23:29 |
| asselin | in my case I'm creating new instances and volumes | 23:29 |
| asselin | I'm using ansible to orchestrate outside of VM. | 23:30 |
| serverascode | yeah so you would create a new instance, create some kind of volume naming scheme, and if that volume doesn't exist create it and attach it and format it | 23:30 |
| xavpaice | the tricky part is that when you attach it you need to know what the OS names it inside the guest, in order to format the right one | 23:31 |
| xavpaice | if it's a new instance, cloudinit has tools for filesystem layout (but I can't explain it cos I don't know it well enough) | 23:32 |
| jamespd | ^^ also, KVM does not guarantee predictable block device names | 23:33 |
| serverascode | I haven't looked into if you can access by uuid or something for a while, but yeah if you have more than one volume that would be a problem | 23:34 |
| xavpaice | I was just hunting for that, but haven't yet found a way in Trusty - and we don't know what the guest OS is in this case | 23:35 |
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