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| mrhillsman | g'morning | 13:30 |
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| fifieldt | hi | 13:47 |
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| mihalis68 | good morning, or other time of the day where you are! :) | 13:55 |
| fifieldt | hi | 13:55 |
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| fifieldt | hi all | 13:59 |
| fifieldt | anyone here for the ops meetups team meeting? | 13:59 |
| serverascode | yup | 13:59 |
| s3an2 | o/ | 13:59 |
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| mrhillsman | o/ | 13:59 |
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| fifieldt | even VW is here | 13:59 |
| VW | o/ | 13:59 |
| dalees | o/ | 13:59 |
| VW | hey fifieldt! I represent that statement... | 13:59 |
| kbringard | ahoy hoy | 14:00 |
| fifieldt | #startmeeting Ops Meetups Team | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 2 14:00:07 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is fifieldt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ops_meetups_team' | 14:00 |
| fifieldt | Hello all, and welcome to season seven of the Ops Meetups Team meeting :) | 14:00 |
| fifieldt | NB: If you're new, or just idling in the channel, be sure to have read: | 14:00 |
| fifieldt | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Ops_Meetups_Team | 14:00 |
| fifieldt | for background. | 14:00 |
| fifieldt | Check out our agenda items at: | 14:00 |
| fifieldt | # link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team | 14:00 |
| fifieldt | As always: please write your name down on the agenda etherpad as a way of introduction, since we're a new crew. | 14:00 |
| fifieldt | Secondly, if there's something else burning to put on the agenda, please add it to that same etherpad. | 14:00 |
| fifieldt | #topic Review of action items from the previous meeting | 14:00 |
| fifieldt | First up, a quick run-through of our action items from the previous meeting. | 14:00 |
| fifieldt | .. if I can find the right tab | 14:00 |
| fifieldt | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetups_team/2016/ops_meetups_team.2016-07-26-13.59.html | 14:01 |
| fifieldt | 1/ VW to pull group names off the wiki and arrange an ops 101 by inviting them to join a Q&A style session in Barcelona | 14:01 |
| fifieldt | VW, guessing ongoing? I have some news to announce ~soon about the schedule for barcelona anyway | 14:01 |
| fifieldt | at least edgar has the emails of the group organisers on the wiki now | 14:01 |
| fifieldt | 2/ mrhillsman to write up some proposed steps on how to set up audio | 14:01 |
| fifieldt | I think this was done, right? | 14:01 |
| mrhillsman | yes | 14:02 |
| fifieldt | 3/ mihalis68 to ask Kathryn about hotel room blocks | 14:02 |
| VW | yes - I think enough time has past, so I'll ping the UC folks and see if the wiki is updated/final | 14:02 |
| fifieldt | answer is: Ask for the bloomberg rate at Fitzpatrick Hotel Lexington Avenue | 14:02 |
| fifieldt | 4/ fifieldt to email mihalis68 a sample agenda brainstorming broadcast - DONE | 14:02 |
| fifieldt | 5/ mihalis68 to send agenda brainstorming broadcast - DONE | 14:02 |
| fifieldt | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2016-July/010951.html | 14:02 |
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| fifieldt | thanks to mihalis68, VW and mrhillsman | 14:02 |
| fifieldt | on to our real agenda | 14:02 |
| fifieldt | #topic August Meetup | 14:02 |
| mrhillsman | lol | 14:02 |
| mihalis68 | my full answer was we can't assist with hotel blocks and then that note about the standing discount for BB at Fitz, just to be clear | 14:02 |
| mrhillsman | "real" agenda...as if | 14:02 |
| fifieldt | So, mihalis68, any updates? | 14:03 |
| mihalis68 | again sorry | 14:03 |
| fifieldt | thanks for sending out the agenda brainstorming! | 14:03 |
| fifieldt | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/NYC-ops-meetup | 14:03 |
| mihalis68 | I started putting what appeared to be the most well supported topics onto the timetable | 14:03 |
| fifieldt | encourage everyone you can to get there | 14:03 |
| fifieldt | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EUSYMs3GfglnD8yfFaAXWhLe0F5y9hCUKqCYe0Vp1oA/edit#gid=1046944156 | 14:03 |
| fifieldt | there's the grid | 14:03 |
| fifieldt | Other updates | 14:04 |
| mihalis68 | one question I spotted just now, there is a thought that containerizing the control plane subsumes Kubernetes | 14:04 |
| fifieldt | yeah | 14:04 |
| fifieldt | thoughts on that? | 14:04 |
| mihalis68 | which is apropos as they are both on the itinerary. For me, I think they can both stand | 14:05 |
| VW | I would agree | 14:05 |
| mihalis68 | My own approach to containerization would be a lot more modest than jumping into Kubernetes first | 14:05 |
| mrhillsman | should kubernetes be done first however? | 14:05 |
| mrhillsman | in terms of the talks | 14:05 |
| mihalis68 | it is day 2 currently | 14:06 |
| mrhillsman | being that if we are expecting it to be part of the containerizing conversation | 14:06 |
| mihalis68 | I think containerization is broader than kubernetes | 14:06 |
| mrhillsman | definitely | 14:06 |
| mihalis68 | for example Canonical's approach is LXD+ZFS | 14:06 |
| mihalis68 | no kubernetes | 14:06 |
| mihalis68 | I put it first because it is on our minds and got the most +1s | 14:06 |
| mrhillsman | i gotcha | 14:07 |
| fifieldt | ok, seems reasonable | 14:07 |
| fifieldt | maybe let's see how the brainstorming etherpad proceeds | 14:07 |
| mihalis68 | I guess what I would like to hear is just is the itinerary going in the right direction? | 14:07 |
| mrhillsman | i was saying in reference to the question you spotted | 14:08 |
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| fifieldt | so, it normally takes up to 2 weeks to get people to give their feedbnack on the etherpad | 14:08 |
| mihalis68 | kubernetes is ... gnarly. In texas we were told about openstack on K and vice versa | 14:08 |
| mrhillsman | i like the schedule thus far | 14:09 |
| mihalis68 | I just felt it could have second day first session as it might well be a pretty lively debate and need not be merely one section of containerization | 14:09 |
| mrhillsman | and the fact you put forth the effort to start framing it | 14:09 |
| fifieldt | +1 | 14:09 |
| fifieldt | ok, so that's ongoing | 14:09 |
| mrhillsman | ^ | 14:09 |
| fifieldt | another update is | 14:09 |
| fifieldt | we have 86 registered so far | 14:09 |
| mihalis68 | ok so I'll just move to filling more of the big spaces out this week and I will ping the ad-hoc mailing when there is something to see | 14:09 |
| mihalis68 | 86! Very nice | 14:09 |
| fifieldt | I'm going to get a dump of the registration list and take a look | 14:09 |
| fifieldt | maybe poke some people who didn't register | 14:10 |
| fifieldt | and make sure there aren't any evil people on there | 14:10 |
| mrhillsman | hehe | 14:10 |
| mihalis68 | ad-hoc mailing list is me emailing the people who seem to be on this chat and willing to get email about progress on the itinerary in detail | 14:10 |
| fifieldt | After the agenda brainstorming, then we move to allocating moderators | 14:10 |
| fifieldt | which we need at least a couple weeks for | 14:10 |
| mihalis68 | evil? I wasn't told that would be a problem *MWHAHAHA* | 14:10 |
| fifieldt | :D:D | 14:10 |
| mihalis68 | yes the timetable is tight now | 14:10 |
| mrhillsman | ^ | 14:10 |
| fifieldt | so, anything else on NYC? | 14:11 |
| mihalis68 | not to get too off topic, but I have wheels now so personal life all reverting to normal. Can find more time again | 14:11 |
| fifieldt | phew, glad to hear | 14:11 |
| mrhillsman | great to hear | 14:11 |
| mihalis68 | I will take an action to follow up things with Kathryn to do with signs, banners. I expect nothing so far, hbut then again I feel operators don't really care? Is that fair? | 14:11 |
| fifieldt | I feel that it's important for the sponsorship | 14:12 |
| fifieldt | to have something with the company logo | 14:12 |
| fifieldt | that looks a bit nice :) | 14:12 |
| fifieldt | so people respect the enormous effort of the underwriter | 14:12 |
| fifieldt | in terms of printing, agenda handouts go down well too | 14:12 |
| mihalis68 | Yes I think at a minimum we'll make the itinerary handouts (as designed by our graphic designers, once we finalize) and a big poster thing. That could be done quickly | 14:12 |
| fifieldt | VW, s3an2, serverascode, kbringard - any other musings on NYC? | 14:13 |
| mihalis68 | kathryn recommended I try to get the itinerary in by ... well now actually | 14:13 |
| mihalis68 | one request from me: anyone not getting gmail last week from me about the itinerary who wants to I can add and of course can remove anyone who doesn't want to | 14:13 |
| fifieldt | mihalis68, I am in a US timezone next week - maybe we could aim to smash it out on the phone quickly then | 14:13 |
| mihalis68 | sure | 14:13 |
| VW | I can't think of anything fifieldt | 14:13 |
| serverascode | nothing right now, other than you mentioned issues with lunch | 14:14 |
| fifieldt | right, Erin is on lunch | 14:14 |
| serverascode | not sure if help from the foundation is taking care of that | 14:14 |
| fifieldt | should know very soon | 14:14 |
| fifieldt | thanks for the reminder serverascode | 14:14 |
| fifieldt | #action fifield to followup with Erin about Lunch | 14:14 |
| mihalis68 | bloomberg is getting it catered, the concern I remember is how much eating space there is | 14:14 |
| fifieldt | right | 14:14 |
| mihalis68 | we're providing breakfast and lunch | 14:14 |
| mihalis68 | not sure details | 14:14 |
| fifieldt | also breakfast! that is awesome | 14:14 |
| fifieldt | oh! | 14:14 |
| fifieldt | one more! | 14:14 |
| fifieldt | important thing! | 14:14 |
| fifieldt | Evening event. | 14:14 |
| emccormick | mihalis68: Add me if you don't mind. emccormickva@gmail.com | 14:14 |
| fifieldt | So, how do we go about organising one of those ? | 14:15 |
| mihalis68 | ack | 14:15 |
| fifieldt | and getting one or more organisations to pay for it? | 14:15 |
| mihalis68 | we (i.e. Kathryn) are all in after venue and breakfast+lunch so evenings are wide open | 14:15 |
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| fifieldt | yup, confirmed it needs to be non-bloomberg | 14:15 |
| fifieldt | not asking anyone on this meeting to front up the cash | 14:16 |
| fifieldt | but perhaps someone can send a blast email | 14:16 |
| mihalis68 | perhaps that could be mentioned on the [openstack-operators] mailing list? | 14:16 |
| fifieldt | asking if any organisation is interested? | 14:16 |
| fifieldt | yeah | 14:16 |
| fifieldt | can anyone take that action? | 14:16 |
| mrhillsman | i'll ask my org | 14:16 |
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| mihalis68 | I'm ducking that one, feels ... not right | 14:16 |
| mihalis68 | (for me I mean) | 14:16 |
| zioproto | Sorry I arrived late for the meeting | 14:16 |
| mrhillsman | i can send an email | 14:17 |
| fifieldt | mrhillsman, yeah, if you could email ops ML that'd be great :) | 14:17 |
| mihalis68 | I agree | 14:17 |
| mrhillsman | would we be asking the org to handle the entire process? | 14:17 |
| fifieldt | mrhillsman, it could just be cash, and we could find someone else to assess venues if that worked | 14:18 |
| fifieldt | depends on org requirements | 14:18 |
| mihalis68 | an evening event can be quite simple in a place like manhattan. | 14:18 |
| fifieldt | mihalis68's favourite bar, maybe :) | 14:18 |
| mrhillsman | ^ | 14:18 |
| fifieldt | #action mrhillsman to email ops ML asking if anyone is around to organise/sponsor an evening event | 14:18 |
| fifieldt | I'd recommend after Day 1 | 14:18 |
| fifieldt | since people go home on day 2 :) | 14:18 |
| mrhillsman | +1 | 14:18 |
| fifieldt | ok, that's all I've got for NYC | 14:18 |
| s3an2 | I agree after day1 | 14:19 |
| fifieldt | thanks mrhillsman, mihalis68, zioproto :) | 14:19 |
| mihalis68 | +1 | 14:19 |
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| fifieldt | next up, I have some news! | 14:19 |
| fifieldt | #topic Barcelona | 14:19 |
| s3an2 | :D | 14:19 |
| fifieldt | I had the chance to chat today with colleagues about summit scheduling | 14:19 |
| mihalis68 | I'll look and see what bars are near Civic Hall, but I may not know that neighborhood particularly | 14:19 |
| mrhillsman | excited now | 14:19 |
| emccormick | Ooooo | 14:19 |
| fifieldt | #topic https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EUSYMs3GfglnD8yfFaAXWhLe0F5y9hCUKqCYe0Vp1oA/edit#gid=803513477 | 14:19 |
| fifieldt | inside our magic spreadsheet of doom | 14:19 |
| fifieldt | is the barcelona tab | 14:19 |
| fifieldt | in green and purple are the rooms we will probably get | 14:20 |
| fifieldt | Tuesday is the day | 14:20 |
| fifieldt | and we need to cram in as much as possible as early as possible | 14:20 |
| fifieldt | so we have as little as possible conflicting with x-proj sessions | 14:20 |
| fifieldt | (NB: time slots may be +/- 15 minutes - need to update) | 14:21 |
| fifieldt | but in general | 14:21 |
| fifieldt | same size as Austin | 14:21 |
| fifieldt | with the need to have a bit more going on at the same time | 14:21 |
| fifieldt | also: important point: | 14:21 |
| mihalis68 | same size is great. | 14:21 |
| fifieldt | Lightning talks | 14:21 |
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| fifieldt | I managed to get 2 slots reserved over in the conference track "Ops War Stories" | 14:22 |
| fifieldt | specifically for the lightning talks normally at the ops summit | 14:22 |
| fifieldt | advantages include: more audience, nicer rooms | 14:22 |
| VW | ooh - nice | 14:22 |
| zioproto | +1 for the Ops War Stories" at the summit | 14:22 |
| mrhillsman | panel? | 14:23 |
| fifieldt | mrhillsman, normally 5-10min lightning talks | 14:23 |
| fifieldt | however | 14:23 |
| fifieldt | if you like panels :) | 14:23 |
| mihalis68 | is this a call for war .... stories? | 14:23 |
| fifieldt | I believe some submissions to the track include panels | 14:23 |
| fifieldt | so, standby for news on that | 14:23 |
| fifieldt | anyway, now we have approximate rooms for barcelona | 14:23 |
| fifieldt | as soon as we feel it's appropriate, we can start agenda brainstorming for that :) | 14:23 |
| emccormick | I think we might want to wait until the agenda for NYC is set | 14:24 |
| mrhillsman | ^ | 14:24 |
| emccormick | so as to not cause distraction from the task at hand | 14:24 |
| fifieldt | that sounds sane emccormick | 14:24 |
| fifieldt | also, I find that sometimes ops ML discussions happen in the lead up to the summit that make for good fishbowls | 14:24 |
| emccormick | but put the call out right before NYC and then people can argue things at the meetup | 14:24 |
| mihalis68 | put barcelona agenda on nyc agenda? :) | 14:25 |
| emccormick | yep | 14:25 |
| zioproto | what means 'to make for good fishbowls' ? | 14:25 |
| emccormick | well it doesn't have to be a session, but it certainly could be ;) | 14:25 |
| mihalis68 | I'll add it to the ether pad brainstorm and if it gets +1ed so be it | 14:26 |
| fifieldt | zioproto, Ops ML conversation becomes a conversation in a room at the summit | 14:26 |
| shamail | fifieldt: +1 | 14:26 |
| zioproto | ok now I get it | 14:26 |
| fifieldt | so, we do need to think about how to manage that brainstorming | 14:26 |
| fifieldt | whether it's a long-lived etherpad | 14:26 |
| VW | zioproto: and example from the past was packaging | 14:26 |
| fifieldt | or a short, highly-advertised thing | 14:26 |
| VW | lots of ML chatter let do a few sessions in Ops meetups at summits | 14:27 |
| fifieldt | so, we normally do get a few good session ideas at the "feedback session" at the midcycle | 14:27 |
| fifieldt | we feed those into a later brainstorming etherpad | 14:27 |
| fifieldt | anyway, I feel like I'm not making much sense anymore :) | 14:27 |
| fifieldt | someone else talk about barcelona :) | 14:28 |
| mrhillsman | lol | 14:28 |
| zioproto | It would be great to have James Page or somebody from Canonical to speak about the Ubuntu packaging on NYC. Is anyone in touch with him ? | 14:28 |
| mihalis68 | I guess several of us can only comprehend NYC right now | 14:28 |
| mrhillsman | i did get a little lost | 14:28 |
| mrhillsman | :P | 14:28 |
| s3an2 | zioproto, +1 | 14:28 |
| emccormick | Barcelona: Will there be wine at lunch? :D | 14:28 |
| mihalis68 | but we are meeting weekly with extra email conversation around NYC, it should start to gel soon | 14:28 |
| mihalis68 | and I have to read up about barcelona more before I have any mental framework | 14:29 |
| emccormick | anyway, did we manage to get feedback in on the unstructured room configuration? | 14:29 |
| zioproto | I always beg him via email to get support on the Ubuntu packaging. I hope it does not hate me already because I write always to him for support :D He is very competent, I would love to meet him again in NYC at the ops event. | 14:29 |
| mihalis68 | we have a support contract with Canonical. I will fwd a question as to is a Canonical person coming through that point of contact | 14:30 |
| fifieldt | emccormick, I will verify that ASAP | 14:30 |
| fifieldt | #action fifieldt to verify the room setup for Friday at barcelona isn't some weird square thing | 14:30 |
| mihalis68 | twisted sentence... bloomberg will ask canonical if they are sending someone to NYC meetup | 14:30 |
| emccormick | Brilliant | 14:30 |
| fifieldt | excellent | 14:31 |
| zioproto | mihalis68: thanks. It would be great to have a Canonical tech person at the packaging working group. | 14:31 |
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| fifieldt | Is there anyone else we want to "invite" to NYC? | 14:31 |
| zioproto | I guess we could need the same for Centos/Redhat | 14:31 |
| fifieldt | oh, apparently one of my amazing colleagues may be joining us to ask about promoting NYC | 14:32 |
| mihalis68 | I have just done the email to my business sponsor who has the relationship with Canonical | 14:32 |
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| fifieldt | to make sure we hit the cap that mihalis68 has nightmares about :) | 14:32 |
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| fifieldt | it's aprice_! | 14:32 |
| mihalis68 | I asked for James Page | 14:32 |
| VW | I'd prefer to keep the mid-cycle as vendor free as possible | 14:32 |
| aprice_ | hello everyone :) | 14:33 |
| fifieldt | Everyone, please welcome Allison Price (aprice_) | 14:33 |
| mihalis68 | hello Allison! | 14:33 |
| fifieldt | she organised quite a few of the past ops meetups | 14:33 |
| emccormick | Hi Allison! | 14:33 |
| shamail | hi aprice_!! | 14:33 |
| fifieldt | and is also the editor in chief of superuser | 14:33 |
| VW | Howdy, Allison | 14:33 |
| mrhillsman | hey aprice_ ! | 14:33 |
| mihalis68 | VW we said that vendors could attend with "operator hat" on right? | 14:33 |
| fifieldt | amoungst other things | 14:33 |
| zioproto | VW: good point. I though of James as he is the main committer on the Ubuntu Cloud Archives package repo. Not as a Canonical representative. | 14:33 |
| mrhillsman | mihalis68 yes iirc | 14:33 |
| fifieldt | aprice_, I think you were going to ask something about the NYC event? | 14:33 |
| mihalis68 | I've seen james talk, he's not dry vendory | 14:33 |
| mihalis68 | not very | 14:34 |
| fifieldt | +1 | 14:34 |
| mnaser | if this is not too far away from NYC, I'd like to drop by as well | 14:34 |
| mnaser | (I know I kindof just jumped in here) | 14:34 |
| mnaser | i'm @ vexxhost and we run a fairly large public cloud here with two az's | 14:34 |
| fifieldt | mnaser, would be amazing to have you | 14:35 |
| fifieldt | details at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/NYC-ops-meetup | 14:35 |
| aprice_ | yes, in previous versions of the ops midcycle we have done a lot of promotion to the ops community and now that it’s run by this committee, I wanted to get input on promotion of the NYC ops midcycle :) | 14:35 |
| mnaser | and i've worked on both writing openstack code side of things and running openstack, it's not too far out from here | 14:35 |
| aprice_ | of course taking into account total capacity and getting the right folks there | 14:35 |
| fifieldt | #topic Ops meetup promotion | 14:36 |
| mihalis68 | I'd say Tom has managed to make this one quite crowd-sourced | 14:36 |
| fifieldt | That's a great topic aprice_ | 14:36 |
| mihalis68 | not that I am familiar with previous committee structures | 14:36 |
| emccormick | We're about 95 short of max capacity at this point so shouldn't be an issue to advertise it a bit more | 14:36 |
| mihalis68 | but as a crowd-sourced thing it's lacking in promotion | 14:36 |
| mihalis68 | IMHO | 14:36 |
| mrhillsman | hehe | 14:36 |
| fifieldt | aprice_, maybe it would help to talk about some of the things we've done in the past? | 14:37 |
| fifieldt | (eg official twitter account?) | 14:37 |
| mihalis68 | we did tweet out the poll for location choice quite a bit | 14:37 |
| aprice_ | what we have done previously is just emailing folks who have indicated that they are operators at the summit, folks who have attended past ops midcycles and reminding the ops mailing lists | 14:37 |
| mihalis68 | I might not have tweeted the registration though | 14:37 |
| mihalis68 | there had been concern about not getting oversubscribed and not getting too much attention from pure marketing folks | 14:38 |
| aprice_ | we have also tweeted, but tried to make sure to keep it clear that this is for operators who are running an OpenStack cloud to make sure the intent of the event is clear and that it’s not for noobs. | 14:38 |
| s3an2 | tweeting registration may target the 'wrong' people ;) | 14:38 |
| mihalis68 | yes | 14:39 |
| mihalis68 | I think we did get enough visibility on the poll itself | 14:39 |
| aprice_ | yes, we try to make sure to get the _right_ folks there through the different avenues | 14:39 |
| fifieldt | (for reference, in emails to people and on reg we post: ***Note***: This event assumes OpenStack ops knowledge and is _not_ appropriate for beginners, or a place to learn about OpenStack. The event contains relatively few 'presentations' and is mostly a discussion-style event. To find other OpenStack events in your area, please visit www.openstack.org/events. ) | 14:39 |
| zioproto | If there are local openstack groups on the meetup.com website, we should make sure they know about out NYC date. I think there are many places that are just 1 hour flight away and they have a local meetup. | 14:39 |
| mihalis68 | and after that people who are actually operators hopefully stay in touch via the mailing list | 14:39 |
| fifieldt | right, that's another thing we do is normally contact local meetup groups | 14:39 |
| mrhillsman | +1 zioproto | 14:39 |
| aprice_ | not tweeting is fine so that emails and other points of contact can have the disclaimer that fifieldt shared about | 14:39 |
| aprice_ | above* | 14:39 |
| mrhillsman | there will be quite a few folks in NYC already because of OpenStack Days East as well | 14:40 |
| fifieldt | ok, so questions then | 14:40 |
| s3an2 | zioproto, The Manchester meetup did put out the dates last week for NYC | 14:40 |
| mrhillsman | not sure if anyone knows the committee there, but could reach out | 14:40 |
| fifieldt | 1/ For NYC and Ongoing, do we email the list of people who indicated they were "Ops" in their previous summit registration? | 14:40 |
| mrhillsman | not the vendors of course, the committee is mostly made of meetup organizers from what i know | 14:41 |
| fifieldt | 2/ For NYC and Ongoing, do we email folks who have attended past ops midcycles ? | 14:41 |
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| fifieldt | 3/ For NYC and Ongoing do we remind the Ops ML | 14:41 |
| VW | I say a good reminder email for each event is always a good thing | 14:41 |
| fifieldt | so that's a yes for #2, VW? | 14:41 |
| VW | cause Ops folks tend to get "distracted" - running clouds and all | 14:41 |
| VW | yep | 14:41 |
| mihalis68 | Can it be one email for the union of 1,2&3 people? | 14:41 |
| shamail | fifieldt: Could we also possibly start with creating a list based on people who have committed to OSOps repo, answered questions on Ask OpenStack, etc? I am wondering if there are activities in the community that we could use to identify “ops” to invite as well... | 14:42 |
| fifieldt | ok, shamail, how about | 14:42 |
| VW | or start the list with all those who've earned the Ops tag | 14:42 |
| fifieldt | 4/ for NYC and Ongoing, do we email the list of "Active User Contributors"? | 14:42 |
| mnaser | I wouldn't have known about this if I didn't randomly stumble upon a discussion under #openstack-operators .. contacting the people who are marked as ops would have gotten my attention | 14:42 |
| VW | and expand from there | 14:42 |
| fifieldt | so thqat's a vote for #1, mnaser? | 14:42 |
| shamail | fifieldt: that would cover this scope I gave but it also includes a lot of extra things that would attract vendors | 14:42 |
| shamail | (local user groups, WG members, etc) | 14:43 |
| mnaser | fifieldt, vote for #1, correct | 14:43 |
| fifieldt | would the disclaimer posted above be sufficient for that case shamail | 14:43 |
| fifieldt | or do we really need a subset of AUC? | 14:43 |
| shamail | Subset would be ideal (we would already have the data organized by activities so it should be minimal additional effort) | 14:44 |
| fifieldt | ok, that's good | 14:44 |
| aprice_ | does this list already exist or does it need to be updated post Austin? | 14:44 |
| shamail | So #1 + AUC subset | 14:44 |
| fifieldt | 5/ For NYC and ongoing, do we email the subset of AUC more likely to be ops? | 14:44 |
| aprice_ | shamail I know that you have been gathering info, but didn’t know how much else was needed | 14:44 |
| shamail | aprice_: This list is being updated at the moment… I can send you the current list… (we will refresh this list until feature freeze) | 14:45 |
| aprice_ | shamail: thanks! | 14:45 |
| fifieldt | ok, everyone | 14:45 |
| shamail | The subset we would be interested in is already available | 14:45 |
| fifieldt | the options here are numerous | 14:45 |
| fifieldt | can I ask you all to go to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team | 14:45 |
| fifieldt | at line 28 | 14:45 |
| fifieldt | and put a +1 against things you support | 14:46 |
| fifieldt | along with any comments under each | 14:46 |
| mihalis68 | I have to apoligise to AUC people as I barely know what it is | 14:47 |
| mihalis68 | and also can't spell | 14:47 |
| fifieldt | not a problem mihalis68, it's quite new | 14:47 |
| fifieldt | basically, it's an attempt to recognise people who've made contributions to OpenStack in areas other than code commits | 14:48 |
| mihalis68 | so I +1ed the previous attendees and mailing list and summit self-identifiers | 14:48 |
| mihalis68 | nothing against AUC I just don't know it | 14:48 |
| fifieldt | mihalis68, https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/AUCRecognition | 14:48 |
| mihalis68 | thanks | 14:49 |
| fifieldt | so, it looks like there's an open question about AUC | 14:49 |
| fifieldt | shamail, would you be able to followup, maybe with aprice_ | 14:49 |
| fifieldt | to work out which bits are ops-centric that we could use? | 14:49 |
| shamail | fifieldt: +1, will do | 14:49 |
| fifieldt | #action shamail to followup with aprice_ on AUC bits for ops and report back | 14:50 |
| aprice_ | thanks shamail | 14:50 |
| fifieldt | we also need to communicate this discussion to the ML | 14:50 |
| aprice_ | i have also added a part to the etherpad where folks can add which subsets they think should be included | 14:50 |
| fifieldt | excellent | 14:50 |
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| fifieldt | aprice_, (or anyone) are there any other promotion ideas for the ops events to discuss? | 14:51 |
| aprice_ | that is what we have typically done, but I am always open for suggestions if anyone has anything they would like to add | 14:51 |
| fifieldt | anyone? | 14:51 |
| mnaser | What about contacting users who submitted data to the OpenStack survey within a certain scale | 14:52 |
| mnaser | ex: folks who have mentioned they run clouds > N cores who would benefit from this | 14:52 |
| mnaser | I don't know about the legalities of being able to contact them but it's an idea | 14:52 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/osops-tools-monitoring: Fixed oschecks-check_keystone_api https://review.openstack.org/346855 | 14:52 |
| fifieldt | survey filler-outerers, what do you think? | 14:53 |
| fifieldt | (5 minute warning) | 14:53 |
| VW | survey filler-outers sounds good | 14:54 |
| fifieldt | +1 I think contacting people who have a deployment in the survey is a good idea :) | 14:54 |
| VW | because it's just a "hey, come to the ops thing" email | 14:54 |
| aprice_ | ok - I can add that to the list and email an update to the ops ML with a reminder about the event and what promotions we have discussed here. | 14:54 |
| aprice_ | so that everyone is in the loop :) | 14:55 |
| mnaser | plus, the foundation puts so much effort into getting people to fill out the survey so it's a good list, imho. | 14:55 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/osops-tools-monitoring: python-novaclient-3.1.0+ compatibility https://review.openstack.org/346730 | 14:55 |
| fifieldt | that would be great aprice_! | 14:55 |
| fifieldt | #action aprice_ to send a summary of the promotion discussion to the list | 14:55 |
| fifieldt | ok, anything else on promotioin? | 14:55 |
| fifieldt | guess we got it covered :) | 14:56 |
| mihalis68 | yes | 14:56 |
| mrhillsman | nope covered | 14:56 |
| aprice_ | I think that’s it - if anything else comes up, please reply on the ML email I send or ping me directly! | 14:56 |
| aprice_ | thanks :) | 14:56 |
| mihalis68 | we are half-full already after all | 14:56 |
| fifieldt | thanks Allison!! | 14:56 |
| fifieldt | so, with 3 minutes left | 14:56 |
| mrhillsman | ^ | 14:56 |
| fifieldt | #topic all other business | 14:56 |
| mrhillsman | thanks aprice_ | 14:56 |
| mihalis68 | any more people wishing email updates when more of the itinerary is filled in? | 14:56 |
| mihalis68 | I have emccormick to add | 14:56 |
| shamail | +1, yes please, mihalis68 | 14:57 |
| mihalis68 | will do | 14:57 |
| mrhillsman | i think i am already there | 14:57 |
| mrhillsman | but if not, please add me | 14:57 |
| fifieldt | ack | 14:57 |
| mihalis68 | you are | 14:57 |
| zioproto | I also think I am already there | 14:57 |
| mihalis68 | I want this itinerary full, it not final by this time next week | 14:57 |
| mihalis68 | I'll verify zioproto | 14:57 |
| zioproto | saverio.proto | 14:57 |
| mihalis68 | just my own goal for myself | 14:57 |
| mrhillsman | oh, just one more thing | 14:57 |
| mrhillsman | thx fifieldt :) | 14:57 |
| fifieldt | #action mihalis68 (own goal) finish itinerary by next meeting | 14:57 |
| fifieldt | ok, brilliant | 14:58 |
| fifieldt | with 1 more minute to go | 14:58 |
| mrhillsman | and mihalis68 (Bloomberg) | 14:58 |
| mihalis68 | yes all hail tom | 14:58 |
| fifieldt | anyone want to sing us out? | 14:58 |
| mihalis68 | bizarrely the meld to lang of hope and glory but with horrid soccer lyrics came to mind | 14:58 |
| mihalis68 | melody | 14:58 |
| mihalis68 | so will NOT be singing that | 14:58 |
| fifieldt | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ _/¯(ツ)¯\_ ¯\_(ツ)¯\_ _/¯(ツ)_/¯ | 14:58 |
| mrhillsman | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xr37BJA3cLI | 14:58 |
| mrhillsman | ^ song :) | 14:58 |
| fifieldt | oook | 14:59 |
| fifieldt | many many thanks all! | 14:59 |
| mihalis68 | tom types that 'supson so fast.... | 14:59 |
| fifieldt | see you next week!! | 14:59 |
| mihalis68 | librarian ook? | 14:59 |
| fifieldt | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 2 14:59:19 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
| mrhillsman | adios | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetups_team/2016/ops_meetups_team.2016-08-02-14.00.html | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetups_team/2016/ops_meetups_team.2016-08-02-14.00.txt | 14:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetups_team/2016/ops_meetups_team.2016-08-02-14.00.log.html | 14:59 |
| * fifieldt runs to the next meeting | 14:59 | |
| fifieldt | have a great $TIMEOFDAY all | 14:59 |
| mihalis68 | IRC+eavesdrop is impressive system, like it | 14:59 |
| mihalis68 | you too! | 14:59 |
| * mrhillsman runs to another meeting as well...will this running ever stop ;.; | 15:00 | |
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| mihalis68 | if anyone is still on, a possible venue for a social event after day 1 of the meet up would be upstairs at the Old Town Bar. http://www.oldtownbar.com | 15:37 |
| mihalis68 | pro: very old bar with original fitting, semi-famous, 0.2 miles away (5 minutes walk) | 15:37 |
| mihalis68 | con: very standard basic pub food | 15:37 |
| mihalis68 | I shall post this to the mailing list now also, seems quiet here :) | 15:38 |
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| aspiers | hi all, anyone know who is planning the schedule for the operator track in the Barcelona design summit? | 16:18 |
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| mihalis68 | aspiers that was discussed n todays meeting. It's early stage but there's a tab for barcelona in the itinerary planning google doc and I think there's an ether pad for brainstorming/crowdsourcing the itinerary. Tom Fifieldt shared the slots that operators will get in barcelona | 17:03 |
| aspiers | mihalis68: great, thanks! I looked at today's minutes but obviously skim-read too fast to notice that | 17:04 |
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| aspiers | mihalis68: see also my mail to openstack-operators@ in the last hour | 17:04 |
| mihalis68 | to be completely honest I am not prepared to work on barcelona at all yet, still trying to pull together the material for NYC in three weeks | 17:05 |
| aspiers | oh yeah, that's understandable :) | 17:05 |
| aspiers | wish I could be there | 17:05 |
| mihalis68 | I suggested barcelona itinerary be a session in NYC, let's see if that is well received | 17:05 |
| mihalis68 | although it might get too self-referential and circular | 17:06 |
| mihalis68 | a plan to meet and talk about a plan to meet and talk about a... | 17:06 |
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| mriedem | we had a compute host go down and like 36 guests weren't restarted | 19:09 |
| mriedem | looks like setting resume_guests_state_on_host_boot=True in nova.conf would have done a hard reboot on those guests to get them running again | 19:09 |
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