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| mgagne | anyone had issue with python-glanceclient where when uploading an image to Glance v2, you get "IOError: unexpected end of file while parsing chunked data" on the server-side? The image is uploaded with --file | 00:33 |
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| logan- | mgagne: i had that problem while still using a kilo glanceclient when we upgraded to liberty. pretty sure it only happened with v2 also. | 01:11 |
| mgagne | yea, it's with v2, I'm uploading with latest python-glanceclient on Glance Kilo | 01:12 |
| mgagne | python-glanceclient 2.3.0 | 01:12 |
| mgagne | I even tried installing latest client from git | 01:13 |
| mgagne | bypassing haproxy too | 01:13 |
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| beddari | so I was going to try the osops-tools-monitoring python app, but I get an error (it requires root?) running pip install -r requirements.txt ... it seems to want to create an openstack-monitoring folder in /usr/libexec/ | 09:48 |
| beddari | https://github.com/openstack/osops-tools-monitoring/blob/master/monitoring-for-openstack/setup.cfg#L49 | 09:48 |
| beddari | is that needed/intended? I'd prefer if it ran in a virtualenv ... | 09:49 |
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| beddari | I just changed that to "bin/" and it seems to work still | 09:58 |
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| mnaser | What are the load averages that everyone usually observes as an average on their compute nodes? | 11:51 |
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| yankcrime | mnaser: it varies wildly depending on customer's workload | 11:53 |
| mnaser | yankcrime, indeed, but what's your "okay let's investigate this issue" limit (divided by # of cpus?) | 11:58 |
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| VW | quick - hide. fifieldt_ is here | 13:54 |
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| fifieldt_ | how are you? | 13:58 |
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| VW | good | 13:59 |
| fifieldt_ | excellent, excellent | 14:00 |
| fifieldt_ | shall we have a meeting then? | 14:00 |
| VW | ready to talk ops meetups or something like that :P | 14:00 |
| fifieldt_ | #startmeeting Ops Meetups Team | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 9 14:00:24 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is fifieldt_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| fifieldt_ | anyone here for the ops meetups team meeting? | 14:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ops_meetups_team' | 14:00 |
| shintaro | hi | 14:00 |
| fifieldt_ | hi shintaro! | 14:00 |
| mihalis68 | me | 14:01 |
| fifieldt_ | hi mihalis68 :) | 14:01 |
| mihalis68 | hi! | 14:01 |
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| fifieldt_ | it's also aprice :D | 14:01 |
| mrhillsman | o/ | 14:01 |
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| fifieldt_ | woo mrhillsman | 14:01 |
| mihalis68 | so... we filled in most of the itinerary (fifieldt and I) | 14:01 |
| fifieldt_ | indeed | 14:01 |
| mihalis68 | have people checked it out? | 14:01 |
| fifieldt_ | let me paste the random stuff - moment | 14:02 |
| fifieldt_ | Hello all, and welcome to season eight of the Ops Meetups Team meeting :) | 14:02 |
| fifieldt_ | NB: If you're new, or just idling in the channel, be sure to have read: | 14:02 |
| fifieldt_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Ops_Meetups_Team | 14:02 |
| fifieldt_ | for background. | 14:02 |
| fifieldt_ | Check out our agenda items at: | 14:02 |
| fifieldt_ | # link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team | 14:02 |
| fifieldt_ | As always: please write your name down on the agenda etherpad as a way of introduction, since we're a new crew. | 14:02 |
| fifieldt_ | Secondly, if there's something else burning to put on the agenda, please add it to that same etherpad. | 14:02 |
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| fifieldt_ | #topic Review of action items from the previous meeting | 14:02 |
| fifieldt_ | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetups_team/2016/ops_meetups_team.2016-08-02-14.00.html | 14:02 |
| fifieldt_ | 1/ fifield to followup with Erin about Lunch | 14:03 |
| fifieldt_ | lunch might be happening in the cafe - still TBC | 14:03 |
| fifieldt_ | 2/ mrhillsman to email ops ML asking if anyone is around to organise/sponsor an evening event | 14:03 |
| fifieldt_ | done | 14:03 |
| fifieldt_ | 3/ fifieldt to verify the room setup for Friday at barcelona isn't some weird square thing | 14:03 |
| fifieldt_ | done | 14:03 |
| fifieldt_ | 4/ shamail to followup with aprice_ on AUC bits for ops and report back | 14:03 |
| fifieldt_ | done | 14:03 |
| fifieldt_ | 5/ aprice_ to send a summary of the promotion discussion to the list | 14:03 |
| fifieldt_ | done | 14:03 |
| fifieldt_ | 6/ mihalis68 (own goal) finish itinerary by next meeting | 14:03 |
| fifieldt_ | done-ish ) | 14:04 |
| fifieldt_ | ok | 14:04 |
| fifieldt_ | #topic August Meetup | 14:04 |
| fifieldt_ | over to you mihalis68 | 14:04 |
| mihalis68 | a big gap we have is not quite enough working group session topics | 14:04 |
| fifieldt_ | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EUSYMs3GfglnD8yfFaAXWhLe0F5y9hCUKqCYe0Vp1oA/edit#gid=1046944156 | 14:04 |
| VW | one more action item update - the UC confirmed the list of WG and Teams is done (even a couple of last minute "we are still here"s rolled in this week). Drafting the email to the leaders now | 14:04 |
| mihalis68 | I asked for more on the operators mailing list | 14:04 |
| fifieldt_ | cheers VW | 14:05 |
| fifieldt_ | #info mihalis68 asked for more working group sessions on the ops ML | 14:05 |
| fifieldt_ | yeah, tend to agree with mihalis68 | 14:05 |
| fifieldt_ | we didn't get as much agenda brainstorming this time | 14:05 |
| mihalis68 | a second thing that hasn't progressed is evening event (mentioned above) | 14:05 |
| mihalis68 | but we can ad-hoc that. ' | 14:05 |
| fifieldt_ | mrhillsman sent the email, yeah, but no noise so far | 14:06 |
| mrhillsman | unfortunately | 14:06 |
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| mihalis68 | we also didn't schedule deployment tools - fiefieldt's observation is the sessions don't work | 14:06 |
| mrhillsman | sent a few and did some direct contact | 14:06 |
| fifieldt_ | nice work mrhillsman! | 14:06 |
| fifieldt_ | think we might get some? | 14:06 |
| mrhillsman | at this time no one has confirmed :( | 14:07 |
| fifieldt_ | no worries | 14:07 |
| fifieldt_ | do you think we need to aim for more a "collaboration"? | 14:07 |
| fifieldt_ | to share budgetary stress? | 14:07 |
| mrhillsman | sent email to enterprise wg as well | 14:07 |
| mrhillsman | will emphasis that | 14:08 |
| mihalis68 | some other notes for people to understand how the itinerary settled : mirantis announced a big OS on Kubernetes initiative | 14:08 |
| mihalis68 | with that I suggested that containerization of OS and OS on K9S would inevitably end up the same thing | 14:08 |
| mrhillsman | collaboration that is in a follow up today | 14:08 |
| mihalis68 | so that's the first main group session | 14:09 |
| fifieldt_ | #action mrhillsman is taking point on evening event comms, ask for help from fifieldt as needed | 14:09 |
| mihalis68 | Bloomberg (my employer) has requested a Canonical rep to talk about packaging and that looks like it will happen | 14:10 |
| fifieldt_ | nice one | 14:10 |
| mihalis68 | so we made packaging double length, so that the ubuntu bit has time and other distros too | 14:10 |
| mihalis68 | autocorrect tried to make distros into distress - well quite! | 14:10 |
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| mihalis68 | correction - actually we did slot deployment (config management) tools in, but on friday first session, which fifieldt suggests can be a thinly attended session because of the social event previous evening | 14:11 |
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| VW | use that slot for an important topic that you want people who truly have something to contribute | 14:12 |
| mihalis68 | I have fwded Saverio's notes about packaging to canonical. in brief operators sometimes must package and deploy fixes from upstream using canonical's tools, but there's no official documentation. They'd like confirmation of doing it right and are the docs helpful | 14:12 |
| fifieldt_ | mrhillsman, vw, shintaro - are you seeing the updated schedule spreadsheet? | 14:12 |
| fifieldt_ | any issues? | 14:12 |
| VW | some of the best design sessions I've been to have been following the best party at the summit. Only those who REALLY wanted to be there came - hung over or not | 14:12 |
| mrhillsman | lol | 14:12 |
| VW | still scanning | 14:13 |
| VW | stand-by | 14:13 |
| mrhillsman | ^ | 14:13 |
| fifieldt_ | ok, maybe we should pause for another 2mins | 14:13 |
| fifieldt_ | scan away! | 14:13 |
| VW | remind be what transition is again? | 14:13 |
| VW | derp | 14:13 |
| VW | don't remind me | 14:13 |
| VW | I can read times - really | 14:14 |
| mihalis68 | when the rooms switch to dual from single large | 14:14 |
| shintaro | personally, I would like to see Craton session and NFV sesson in different time slot. both have quite number of interest. | 14:14 |
| mrhillsman | agreed | 14:15 |
| mihalis68 | ok by me! | 14:15 |
| mihalis68 | let's just do this right now | 14:15 |
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| mihalis68 | someone able to edit the google doc? (I am on a computer where it is blocked right now) | 14:15 |
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| fifieldt_ | the easy move would be to switch it with a day 2 session | 14:16 |
| mihalis68 | WG6 day 2? | 14:16 |
| mihalis68 | KAPOW! | 14:16 |
| shintaro | thanks | 14:16 |
| VW | perfect | 14:16 |
| fifieldt_ | put it next to that, ya | 14:16 |
| fifieldt_ | kewl | 14:16 |
| mihalis68 | one thought : this shared spreadsheet method actually has a lot of method in it when tom explains it | 14:16 |
| mihalis68 | we should capture it for the next victi... volunteer itinerary wrangler | 14:17 |
| fifieldt_ | +1 :) | 14:17 |
| fifieldt_ | shall we start an etherpad for that mihalis68? | 14:17 |
| mihalis68 | yes | 14:17 |
| fifieldt_ | #action fifieldt/mihalis68 to start an etherpad to explain the agenda wrangling etherpad a bit more | 14:17 |
| fifieldt_ | ok, so on agenda | 14:17 |
| mihalis68 | I actually see a lot of cool stuff in these tools, ether pad, eavesdrop, but it's a bit non-obvious | 14:17 |
| fifieldt_ | indeed | 14:18 |
| fifieldt_ | mihalis68's email has gone to the list asking for more sessions | 14:18 |
| fifieldt_ | which we do need | 14:18 |
| fifieldt_ | quite light on WGs | 14:18 |
| fifieldt_ | I just got an email from Sean Dague of nova fame | 14:18 |
| fifieldt_ | and he said he'd be up for something | 14:18 |
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| mihalis68 | nova is a large topic | 14:19 |
| fifieldt_ | yeah | 14:19 |
| fifieldt_ | and of general interest | 14:20 |
| shintaro | yes nova cell v2! | 14:20 |
| fifieldt_ | so perhaps we just mark a slot "Sean Dague" | 14:20 |
| mihalis68 | ha ha | 14:20 |
| mihalis68 | that's honest | 14:20 |
| mihalis68 | I like the idea of hearing about cells | 14:20 |
| fifieldt_ | I can ask Sean what he's up for if you like | 14:20 |
| VW | cells V2 would be good | 14:20 |
| mihalis68 | I am terrified of enormous clusters and we want to go cellular | 14:20 |
| fifieldt_ | since I need to respond to him anyway | 14:20 |
| fifieldt_ | :D | 14:20 |
| fifieldt_ | #action fifieldt to ask sdague about running a session | 14:20 |
| mihalis68 | Sean Dague (cells v2? other?) | 14:20 |
| VW | but also, it was basically said "we'd love ops input, but don't have time" in a session in Austin | 14:20 |
| VW | so, we could try to dig in to that | 14:21 |
| fifieldt_ | yeah, VW, working with ttx to fix that :) | 14:21 |
| mihalis68 | sdague for WG6 and 7 day 1? | 14:21 |
| VW | well, it's worth finding out if/how the OPs community can help | 14:21 |
| VW | but yeah, let's give sdague some time | 14:22 |
| VW | good stuff | 14:22 |
| fifieldt_ | ok | 14:22 |
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| fifieldt_ | anything else on the agenda? | 14:22 |
| fifieldt_ | since I know aprice has some updtes on promotion | 14:22 |
| fifieldt_ | the NYC agenda, that is | 14:22 |
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| mihalis68 | We were inconclusive about the big data suggestion | 14:23 |
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| mihalis68 | it's a proposed general suggestion | 14:23 |
| mihalis68 | general session suggestion | 14:23 |
| mihalis68 | anyone have strong feelings either way? | 14:23 |
| mihalis68 | I personally am starting to support a SPARK community on our openstack clusters, but we don't interact much. If our clusters scale and work, they get on with it | 14:24 |
| mihalis68 | so personally it's not a thing for me to talk about at the meet up, since those are our goals anyway | 14:25 |
| mihalis68 | I'm going to venture a "no, not much interest" for that, then :) | 14:25 |
| fifieldt_ | it did seem kinda nebulous as a proposal | 14:25 |
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| mihalis68 | ok we'll mark that one red, rejected | 14:26 |
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| mihalis68 | My guess is filling in most of the agenda only late yesterday has left little time for people on this chat to have a lot of feedback. | 14:26 |
| mihalis68 | is that accurate? | 14:26 |
| fifieldt_ | seems like it | 14:27 |
| mihalis68 | let's hear about promotion then? | 14:27 |
| fifieldt_ | excellent | 14:27 |
| mrhillsman | enterprise wg is interested, no specific topic yet | 14:27 |
| aprice | awesome | 14:27 |
| fifieldt_ | #topic Promotion Update | 14:27 |
| fifieldt_ | aprice, over to you! | 14:27 |
| aprice | so per last meeting, the Foundation team sent a reg email to the following groups: | 14:27 |
| mrhillsman | interested in agenda slot that is...i digress | 14:28 |
| aprice | 1) previous ops mid cycle attendees 2) previous Summit attendees that indicated ops 3) user survey respondents with large deployments | 14:28 |
| aprice | and I sent a reminder to the ops ML | 14:28 |
| fifieldt_ | wooohoo | 14:29 |
| aprice | the registration needle moved a little, but with previous event registratoin history, they will flood in at the last minute, so I do recommend that we just send a reminder email to the ops ML again this week (I am happy to take that on) | 14:29 |
| aprice | but still want to emphasize the overall style of the event to prevent confusion and expectations | 14:29 |
| mihalis68 | we came up with a statement of recommended attendees months ago | 14:29 |
| mihalis68 | I could dig that up | 14:29 |
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| fifieldt_ | aprice, do you remember how many weeks/days out the reg ramped up for past events? I can't remember myself how late it took off | 14:30 |
| mihalis68 | it's operators mostly, and if there are vendors who are also operators, they should wear their operators hat | 14:30 |
| aprice | I don’t recall, but I can easily look at that today. | 14:30 |
| aprice | and I think that now that we are charging, even though it’s a small fee, it is getting folks who are committed to going, preventing the high percentage of no shows | 14:30 |
| fifieldt_ | which is great for us, ya | 14:31 |
| VW | indeed | 14:31 |
| mihalis68 | agreed | 14:31 |
| aprice | agreed | 14:32 |
| mrhillsman | agreed | 14:32 |
| mrhillsman | :) | 14:32 |
| fifieldt_ | thanks for the brilliance aprice | 14:32 |
| aprice | mihalis68: if you want to send me that list, I am happy to send the information that we sent to previous groups. | 14:32 |
| fifieldt_ | aprice, can I mark you down as an action to send the reminder email, or would you like one of us to do that? | 14:33 |
| mihalis68 | sorry, it was just a statement of who should attend by classification | 14:33 |
| aprice | fifieldt_: I can do it | 14:33 |
| aprice | oh gotcha | 14:33 |
| fifieldt_ | #action aprice to end a registration reminder email in a week or so (or whenever aprice thinks is appropriate) | 14:33 |
| mihalis68 | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/CqCO84rV/ | 14:34 |
| aprice | thanks mihalis68 | 14:34 |
| fifieldt_ | any further updates on promotion? | 14:34 |
| mihalis68 | this reminds me, Patricia Dougan said her company OneOps would love to talk about what they do. I don't know what they do and it seems like this might be more vendor-y | 14:34 |
| mihalis68 | it was in an email to the people who wanted to be involved in the final fettling of the agenda | 14:35 |
| VW | isn't oneops the Walmart tooling | 14:35 |
| fifieldt_ | yeah, is OneOps like an internal tool they use, or a product? | 14:35 |
| VW | similar to Craton | 14:35 |
| mihalis68 | anyone know more? | 14:35 |
| mihalis68 | ah ok thanks | 14:35 |
| VW | which they are involved in | 14:35 |
| mrhillsman | it is vendory unfortunately | 14:35 |
| fifieldt_ | yeah? | 14:35 |
| * VW needs to confirm with the craton folks | 14:35 | |
| mihalis68 | yeah so that doesn't fit the spirit of this event | 14:35 |
| aprice | no fifieldt_ that’s it from me | 14:36 |
| mrhillsman | correct | 14:36 |
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| fifieldt_ | thanks aprice! | 14:36 |
| VW | well, and there is a breakout session conveniently moved for them to be a part of :D | 14:36 |
| fifieldt_ | #topic August Meetup | 14:36 |
| fifieldt_ | ok, so is there anything omre for NYC we need to organise today | 14:36 |
| fifieldt_ | ? | 14:36 |
| mrhillsman | VW ? | 14:36 |
| mihalis68 | which breakout could OneOps fit in? sorry, I'm slow today | 14:37 |
| VW | craton, mihalis68 | 14:37 |
| VW | both are fleet management approaches | 14:37 |
| VW | and I'm almost certain walmart is part of the project | 14:37 |
| VW | anywho - I'm good with August for now | 14:37 |
| mihalis68 | are we making the Craton session a general fleet management session then? Sorry I am not familiar with it | 14:37 |
| VW | fifieldt_: ^ | 14:37 |
| fifieldt_ | cool | 14:37 |
| VW | no, leave it as is mihalis68 | 14:38 |
| VW | I'm just saying that's a better place for them to be then trying to pitch their thing | 14:38 |
| VW | but I'm afraid I confused things | 14:38 |
| fifieldt_ | ok, shintaro - is NYC making you happy at the moment? :) | 14:38 |
| mrhillsman | craton is for openstack though | 14:38 |
| VW | ignore me | 14:38 |
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| mrhillsman | vendor neutral | 14:38 |
| shintaro | fifield_: yes | 14:38 |
| fifieldt_ | haha, ok :) | 14:38 |
| fifieldt_ | #topic The Future | 14:39 |
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| fifieldt_ | shintaro, is there any "big picture" topic that is a good one to discuss? :) | 14:39 |
| fifieldt_ | eg from https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Ops_Meetups_Team#Approach | 14:39 |
| fifieldt_ | just trying to make sure these meetings always think about the future as well as the immediate | 14:40 |
| VW | if shintaro doesn't have an idea | 14:40 |
| VW | I'm curious how "integration with the feedback loop, participation from developers" is evolving with the shift in summit format | 14:40 |
| fifieldt_ | yes, it's of course open, I'm just picking on shintaro since I know he is quiet sometimes :) | 14:40 |
| fifieldt_ | sorry shintaro! | 14:40 |
| shintaro | I'm planning to propose Tokyo for the next one after Barcelona, but need finalize | 14:40 |
| mihalis68 | we have more of a process in this meet up, but a bit more is needed INMHO | 14:40 |
| mrhillsman | i did feel a lil unworthy for a moment | 14:41 |
| fifieldt_ | sorry mrhillsman :) | 14:41 |
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| fifieldt_ | shintaro, that sounds great :) | 14:41 |
| mihalis68 | we crowdsourced global location and itinerary items | 14:41 |
| VW | I'm all for getting ahead, shintaro | 14:41 |
| * VW thinks we should follow back up with BestBuy about next summer soonish | 14:41 | |
| fifieldt_ | +1 | 14:42 |
| mihalis68 | nice | 14:42 |
| mihalis68 | I have a bunch of friends moving out to west coast | 14:42 |
| fifieldt_ | I did get a reply from BestBuy who offered support in general | 14:42 |
| fifieldt_ | ok, so do we want to talk about the upcoming events as per regional rotation now, or maybe immediately after NYC to see how that went? | 14:43 |
| mihalis68 | there is also the more near-term issue of who will put together operators stuff for Barcelona | 14:43 |
| fifieldt_ | right | 14:43 |
| mrhillsman | ^ | 14:43 |
| fifieldt_ | "Team Barcelona" | 14:43 |
| mihalis68 | and so we called out barcelona in the feedback session end of day 2 | 14:43 |
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| mrhillsman | which is not far off but we have ... ^ | 14:43 |
| fifieldt_ | OK, so it seems we have 3 topics | 14:44 |
| fifieldt_ | 1. regional rotation - gettin ahead on future events | 14:44 |
| fifieldt_ | 2. Barcelona planning | 14:44 |
| fifieldt_ | 3. feedback loop | 14:44 |
| fifieldt_ | preference? | 14:44 |
| mrhillsman | 2 | 14:45 |
| VW | 3 probably needs more time. I'm good with 2 | 14:45 |
| VW | shintaro you think you'll know more by the next meeting? | 14:45 |
| shintaro | 2 | 14:45 |
| fifieldt_ | ok, seems like 2 | 14:46 |
| shintaro | VM: yes, but maybe by NYC I guess | 14:46 |
| fifieldt_ | so, practically, I was thinking that the BCN event would be organised quite similarly to the NYC event. What do you think the main differences are between ops stuf at midcycle and ops stuff at summits? | 14:46 |
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| mihalis68 | more free stuff from $$$ vendors? :) | 14:47 |
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| shintaro | devs are there | 14:47 |
| mihalis68 | very good point | 14:47 |
| mrhillsman | i also think past summits can help shape | 14:47 |
| mrhillsman | maybe spot some trends or where we were to where we are and help shape where we going approach? | 14:48 |
| fifieldt_ | so, indeed I think 'devs are there' is one of the bigger differences | 14:48 |
| fifieldt_ | it means that the sessions are generally much more focused on feedback | 14:48 |
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| VW | I think a larger percetage of members from various working gorups/teams are also present | 14:48 |
| fifieldt_ | and we try and get in touch a lot more with devs to find out if they can run sessions | 14:48 |
| fifieldt_ | that's also a good point VW | 14:49 |
| VW | since more spend their travel dollars on summits than mid-cycles | 14:49 |
| fifieldt_ | +1 | 14:49 |
| fifieldt_ | we should also note that there is some space for WGs that is outside of the ops meetup remit | 14:49 |
| fifieldt_ | this summit, for the first time, that space is being properly organised by the user committee | 14:49 |
| VW | oh? | 14:50 |
| yankcrime | you'll probably see a greater variance in operator experience at a summit as well | 14:50 |
| VW | good point yankcrime | 14:50 |
| fifieldt_ | that is a good point too, yankcrime | 14:50 |
| fifieldt_ | so we need to make sure we have sessions at different experience levels | 14:50 |
| VW | although, I wish we could figure out a way to route the less experienced through a mid-cycle first | 14:50 |
| fifieldt_ | #info difference at summit: 1. devs are there | 14:51 |
| VW | such a great way to get better connected to the ops community | 14:51 |
| fifieldt_ | #info difference at summit: 2. more WG members present | 14:51 |
| fifieldt_ | #info difference at summit: 3. WG rooms are organised differently | 14:51 |
| fifieldt_ | #info difference at summit: 4. different ops experience levels | 14:51 |
| fifieldt_ | right, having "friends" at the summit makes a huge difference | 14:51 |
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| fifieldt_ | maybe there's a way we can achieve similar objectives in another way | 14:52 |
| yankcrime | maybe more show-and-tell type sessions at a summit ops meetup, an opportunity for those people who are just starting out on their openstack journey to glean real-world experience from other seasoned operators | 14:52 |
| mihalis68 | we do have lightning talks | 14:52 |
| fifieldt_ | right, yankcrime, so this time what we've done in BCN is put the lighning talks over in the "main" conference | 14:52 |
| fifieldt_ | which will get more audience | 14:52 |
| yankcrime | nice, good to see | 14:52 |
| fifieldt_ | we should make sure that session is also used to educate about how to participate in the ops community | 14:53 |
| yankcrime | (haven't been keeping up with the barcelona summit stuff tbh) | 14:53 |
| fifieldt_ | this is relatively new/hidden info yankcrime :) | 14:53 |
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| yankcrime | cool, so it's not necessarily just my ignorance then ;) | 14:53 |
| VW | I have a slightly different view - and I know I'm the minority - but I selfishly want about 80% of the Ops time in the main summits to be for work | 14:53 |
| VW | and leverage the mid-cycles for more of the networking/best practice bits | 14:54 |
| VW | but that's me :) | 14:54 |
| fifieldt_ | It does seem to end up a bit more that way - - by session number, summit a lot more focused on the software than the ops war stories | 14:54 |
| VW | yeah | 14:55 |
| VW | I think that's good | 14:55 |
| VW | but I get what you are saying | 14:55 |
| VW | we always want to help people learn how to engage | 14:55 |
| VW | that's why I think the WG/Team intro will be good | 14:55 |
| fifieldt_ | +1 | 14:55 |
| mihalis68 | fifieldt is the intent to move ops sessions at the Summit to be more crowd-sourced too, as we've managed to do a bit with this mid-cycle in NYC? | 14:55 |
| fifieldt_ | indeed mihalis68 | 14:55 |
| fifieldt_ | unless you'd suggest differences? | 14:56 |
| mihalis68 | a little bit of work on having a process would help | 14:56 |
| mihalis68 | I hate heavy process | 14:56 |
| mihalis68 | but a bit more than we had for this one seems important to me | 14:56 |
| fifieldt_ | thinking a submision of mroe than just session names? including a 1-line abstract as well? | 14:56 |
| mihalis68 | for example, I think the process needs a benevolent dictator, because merely trying to get consensus on every decision doesn't work | 14:56 |
| mihalis68 | yes, a little bit more detail on the suggestions would be very good | 14:57 |
| mrhillsman | i thought fifieldt_ was that | 14:57 |
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| fifieldt_ | I'd be in favor of that - sometimes in the past looking at the session titles I had no idea what the session was about | 14:57 |
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| mihalis68 | tom is the default B.D. | 14:57 |
| mihalis68 | but he's done it a lot and stated in Austin the desire to move it more into the community. Is that accurate? | 14:58 |
| fifieldt_ | yeah :) | 14:58 |
| mrhillsman | i think a good balance/mix will work well | 14:58 |
| mihalis68 | it's me for NYC, but I only realized late | 14:58 |
| fifieldt_ | dynamic duo? | 14:58 |
| fifieldt_ | (2 mins left) | 14:58 |
| mihalis68 | it is true that fiefieldt ended up helping a lot, so if someone wants to volunteer to be BD for barcelona they would not be alone | 14:59 |
| VW | I'm game to help with that | 14:59 |
| mrhillsman | are we going to lock down the ops meetup team roster? | 14:59 |
| fifieldt_ | it's designed as an "open team" assuming people will come and go | 14:59 |
| fifieldt_ | eg as we're organising an event in $CITY, more people from $CITY might be in | 15:00 |
| mihalis68 | it's very open and very loose | 15:00 |
| fifieldt_ | suggestions? | 15:00 |
| mrhillsman | well we over time? | 15:00 |
| fifieldt_ | unfortunately, yes | 15:00 |
| mihalis68 | I will make suggestions to mailing list via email | 15:00 |
| mrhillsman | i suggest we structure that | 15:00 |
| fifieldt_ | maybe we can think about this and add it to the agenda for next week too | 15:00 |
| mrhillsman | ML | 15:00 |
| mihalis68 | as most recent victi... volunteer BD | 15:00 |
| mrhillsman | agreed | 15:00 |
| shintaro | fifieldt_ : I agree | 15:00 |
| fifieldt_ | ok, great | 15:01 |
| fifieldt_ | well, thank you all sincerely | 15:01 |
| mihalis68 | cool | 15:01 |
| fifieldt_ | it's been a pleasure | 15:01 |
| mihalis68 | and you tom | 15:01 |
| shintaro | thank you | 15:01 |
| mrhillsman | great stuff everyone | 15:01 |
| fifieldt_ | and I bid you a great $TIMEOFDAY | 15:01 |
| mihalis68 | +1 | 15:01 |
| fifieldt_ | #endmeeting | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 9 15:01:24 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetups_team/2016/ops_meetups_team.2016-08-09-14.00.html | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetups_team/2016/ops_meetups_team.2016-08-09-14.00.txt | 15:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetups_team/2016/ops_meetups_team.2016-08-09-14.00.log.html | 15:01 |
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| mrhillsman | thx as always to you all | 15:01 |
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| mgagne | I tried to manually upload the image using curl with chunked transfert and it worked. | 19:34 |
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| mgagne | so after much debugging without eventlet itself, I tried to update my local Python interpreter from 2.7.2 to 2.7.11. It works now... | 21:40 |
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| jlk | ouch | 21:45 |
| mgagne | I think I hit that bug: https://bugs.python.org/issue12268 | 21:45 |
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