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| mrhillsman | g'morning | 14:00 |
| VW | howd | 14:00 |
| VW | howdy even | 14:00 |
| mihalis68 | hello | 14:00 |
| dc_mattj | afternoon | 14:00 |
| mrhillsman | ^ that too :) | 14:01 |
| dc_mattj | sorry been awol for a bit - holidays and real world stuff ... | 14:01 |
| dc_mattj | how was NY ? | 14:01 |
| mihalis68 | yes me too, got back to my desk 5 minutes ago, first time in a week | 14:02 |
| mihalis68 | feedback I've had was very positive | 14:02 |
| dc_mattj | good stuff | 14:02 |
| mihalis68 | I think Tom must be AWOL | 14:02 |
| dc_mattj | I noticed a bunch of my session suggestions happened :) | 14:02 |
| mihalis68 | but we have some attendance, so... | 14:02 |
| mihalis68 | #startmeeting | 14:02 |
| openstack | mihalis68: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 14:02 |
| mrhillsman | :) | 14:02 |
| mihalis68 | #startmeeting openstack-operators | 14:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 6 14:02:46 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mihalis68. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:02 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_operators' | 14:02 |
| mihalis68 | I haven't caught up enough to find action items, agenda etc etc | 14:03 |
| mihalis68 | sorry | 14:03 |
| dc_mattj | does anyone have the link handy for the NY feedback ether pad ? | 14:03 |
| mihalis68 | I can get it, one minute | 14:03 |
| mihalis68 | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/NYC-ops-feedback | 14:04 |
| dc_mattj | got it by guesswork | 14:04 |
| dc_mattj | ;) | 14:04 |
| dc_mattj | good no-shows for a start | 14:04 |
| mihalis68 | I was hoping someone other than me would chime in on feedback about the meet up, however... | 14:05 |
| VW | it seemed pretty positive overall | 14:05 |
| mihalis68 | generally it went well, venue was good, actual attendance around 96 I believe (vs. 104 registered) | 14:05 |
| mihalis68 | sessions mostly went well | 14:05 |
| VW | there was some good discussion about tweaks | 14:05 |
| mihalis68 | some good feedback was that the agenda suggestions should have been more fleshed out | 14:06 |
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| mihalis68 | and that that would have allowed us to spot more duplicates | 14:06 |
| mihalis68 | e.g. large deployments team session and scaling session are pretty much the same exact thing | 14:06 |
| dc_mattj | "Good: feedback session run by VW." | 14:06 |
| dc_mattj | lol | 14:06 |
| VW | I think that guy had them all fooled | 14:07 |
| mihalis68 | I think a lot of the things to do better boil down to : there is a lot to do with the topics, agenda layout and moderator selection, so get to that bit sooner | 14:07 |
| dc_mattj | was that self feedback ? ;) | 14:07 |
| mihalis68 | which means nail down sponsor, venue and dates much sooner | 14:07 |
| dc_mattj | yup, that's the impression I'm getting | 14:07 |
| VW | yeah, the biggest improvement we can make is keep working on head starts | 14:07 |
| mihalis68 | In my (our?) defense when we didn't have the venue and sponsor locked, it was unclear who was "in charge" so to speak | 14:08 |
| mihalis68 | other than fifieldt | 14:08 |
| dc_mattj | no-one's fault | 14:08 |
| dc_mattj | just new format working itself out | 14:08 |
| mihalis68 | I have it on my personal todo list to write down a little guide to the next person doing this | 14:08 |
| dc_mattj | topic selection was definitely too late | 14:09 |
| dc_mattj | tbh it feels a lot like there could be a standard set of topics which get modified as new things come in | 14:09 |
| dc_mattj | which would mean not starting from a blank page each time | 14:10 |
| mrhillsman | i am in favor of that | 14:10 |
| mihalis68 | yes, i do feel that some are standard - large deployment/scaling and containerization come to mind | 14:10 |
| mrhillsman | even a template for the sessions? | 14:10 |
| dc_mattj | we talked a bit about this before, so definitely one for further discussion | 14:10 |
| mihalis68 | some factors change the room choice and running order, for example when we got Sean Dague for Nova we made it a double session in main room | 14:11 |
| mihalis68 | and that session happily ran with good momentum until like 10 minutes before end of second slot | 14:11 |
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| mihalis68 | Ok, seems like that's it for "how did the meet up go" | 14:13 |
| mihalis68 | There has been some debate about this meeting's cadence | 14:14 |
| mihalis68 | #topic meeting cadence | 14:14 |
| dc_mattj | what was the debate ? | 14:14 |
| mihalis68 | Who thinks we need to go weekly given that barcelona is fast approaching? | 14:14 |
| dc_mattj | +1 | 14:14 |
| dc_mattj | although I'm unfortunately not going to be in Barcelona either - looks like my wife will be giving birth around then :( | 14:15 |
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| mrhillsman | congrats | 14:15 |
| mihalis68 | I haven't booked but am likely to be there | 14:15 |
| mihalis68 | yes, congratulations! | 14:15 |
| dc_mattj | or commiserations - it's number 3 | 14:15 |
| dc_mattj | outnumbered | 14:15 |
| mihalis68 | doomed | 14:16 |
| mrhillsman | hehe | 14:16 |
| mihalis68 | We are a bit thin on the ground to decree weekly meetings, but I am up for it | 14:16 |
| mihalis68 | shall we pencil one in next week anyway? | 14:16 |
| dc_mattj | +1 | 14:16 |
| mihalis68 | ok | 14:16 |
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| VW | I can do weekly | 14:16 |
| mrhillsman | +1 | 14:16 |
| dc_mattj | do we also need to try and pull in a few more volunteers to this team ? | 14:16 |
| mrhillsman | definitely | 14:17 |
| mrhillsman | want to send email to mailing list dc_mattj? | 14:17 |
| mihalis68 | It seemed like enough when we had most of the listed people | 14:17 |
| VW | it's always best to be outnumbered, dc_mattj - it's a whole new level of chaos ;) | 14:17 |
| dc_mattj | action accepted | 14:17 |
| mihalis68 | but not enough without those missing today - fifieldt, saverio, | 14:17 |
| mihalis68 | but more would be better | 14:17 |
| dc_mattj | VW, speaking from personal experience ? | 14:18 |
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| mihalis68 | #action dc_mattj to email mailing list for more operators meet up team volunteers | 14:18 |
| VW | yep - dc_mattj :D | 14:18 |
| dc_mattj | I'll also reach out in my team and see if I can persuade/order some other folks to help ;) | 14:18 |
| mihalis68 | #topic benevolent dictator for barcelona | 14:18 |
| dc_mattj | so is this about the who's in charge bit ? | 14:19 |
| mihalis68 | I propose we need one person who "owns" pulling together each meetup | 14:19 |
| mihalis68 | for NYC it was me | 14:19 |
| mihalis68 | yeah | 14:19 |
| dc_mattj | k | 14:19 |
| mihalis68 | for barcelona we know where and when already :) | 14:19 |
| dc_mattj | +1 | 14:19 |
| mihalis68 | Tom shouldn't be primary | 14:19 |
| dc_mattj | fifieldt can be spread pretty thin | 14:19 |
| mihalis68 | yes | 14:19 |
| VW | who of us is definitely going? | 14:20 |
| mihalis68 | also there's a meta issue that the operators are sort of the anti-corporate voice | 14:20 |
| mihalis68 | I think Tom wants it to be more prominent but by self-organising | 14:20 |
| mihalis68 | (Im not anti corporation, but I do very much like the not-for-vendors policy for meet ups) | 14:21 |
| mrhillsman | i am not sure i am definitely going yet | 14:21 |
| dc_mattj | I'd also say a bit more formal planning process where people take ownership of specific pieces | 14:21 |
| dc_mattj | I'm definitely not | 14:21 |
| VW | I will be there | 14:21 |
| mihalis68 | only vw and tom definite so far? :| | 14:22 |
| mrhillsman | i believe so | 14:22 |
| VW | well then... | 14:22 |
| dc_mattj | that's a small pool of candidates at least ;) | 14:23 |
| mrhillsman | tag you're it | 14:23 |
| mihalis68 | yeah vw do you want to do it? | 14:23 |
| VW | do I have a choice :P | 14:23 |
| mihalis68 | sure | 14:23 |
| VW | no, seriously, I don't mind | 14:23 |
| mihalis68 | #startvote vw to be lead organizer (benevolent dictator) of operators meet up barcelona | 14:24 |
| openstack | Unable to parse vote topic and options. | 14:24 |
| mihalis68 | +1 | 14:24 |
| mihalis68 | derp | 14:24 |
| mihalis68 | I don't know how to work this | 14:24 |
| mihalis68 | #startvote vw to be boss | 14:24 |
| openstack | Unable to parse vote topic and options. | 14:24 |
| mihalis68 | ack | 14:24 |
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| dc_mattj | you need to give options | 14:25 |
| dc_mattj | #startvote Should we vote now? Yes, No, Maybe | 14:25 |
| openstack | Only the meeting chair may start a vote. | 14:25 |
| dc_mattj | lol | 14:26 |
| mihalis68 | #startvote vw to be boss? Yes, No | 14:27 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: vw to be boss? Valid vote options are Yes, No. | 14:27 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 14:27 |
| mrhillsman | #vote yes | 14:27 |
| mihalis68 | #vote yes | 14:27 |
| mrhillsman | #vote Yes | 14:27 |
| mihalis68 | Oh I see you gave me the example. sorry I was reading something else to try and find one | 14:27 |
| dc_mattj | #vote Yes | 14:27 |
| dc_mattj | http://docs.openstack.org/infra/system-config/irc.html | 14:28 |
| mihalis68 | Thanks! very useful | 14:28 |
| VW | I'll abstain, since it's me, but I'm down :) | 14:28 |
| mihalis68 | #showvote | 14:28 |
| openstack | Yes (3): mihalis68, dc_mattj, mrhillsman | 14:28 |
| mihalis68 | Looks like you win by a landslide | 14:29 |
| mihalis68 | I agree that the BD will probably get best results if he or she farms out pieces of the work | 14:29 |
| mihalis68 | that didn't even occur to me | 14:29 |
| dc_mattj | you need to endvote | 14:29 |
| mihalis68 | #endvote | 14:29 |
| openstack | Voted on "vw to be boss?" Results are | 14:29 |
| openstack | Yes (3): mihalis68, dc_mattj, mrhillsman | 14:29 |
| mihalis68 | thanks | 14:29 |
| dc_mattj | I have to run in a minute, got another meeting - will definitely be involved in the planning for Barcelona anyway, and there will be some of my team on the ground there too | 14:31 |
| mihalis68 | so... last meetup was discussed, feedback linked. Next meeting established. Action to call for more volunteers. New boss established | 14:31 |
| dc_mattj | I can also reach out to some of the other EU operators who'll definitely be sending folks | 14:31 |
| mihalis68 | maybe given that we are few and some of us just back we should call this meeting today? | 14:31 |
| mihalis68 | unless there are other topics to discuss right now? | 14:32 |
| mrhillsman | i do not have anything right now | 14:32 |
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| dc_mattj | I think we probably need to dissect some of the planning process in the next meeting | 14:32 |
| dc_mattj | record good/bad and lessons learnt | 14:32 |
| VW | I don't have much else either, right now | 14:32 |
| VW | need to track down Tom though | 14:33 |
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| dc_mattj | so that would be my agenda item for next week | 14:33 |
| mihalis68 | yes | 14:33 |
| mihalis68 | I agree | 14:33 |
| mihalis68 | IIRC Tom only just got back from vacation? | 14:34 |
| mihalis68 | I expect he'll be more available next week. I'll notify the mailing list that we are doing a meeting next week same time | 14:34 |
| dc_mattj | thanks all, got to run | 14:35 |
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| mihalis68 | #action mihalis68 to notify operators mailing list of meeting on Sept 13 | 14:35 |
| VW | and I'll try to ping him tonight when it's morning his time | 14:35 |
| mihalis68 | ok think we're done, any last minute thoughts? | 14:35 |
| mihalis68 | #stopmeeting | 14:36 |
| mihalis68 | #endmeeting | 14:37 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 6 14:37:08 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:37 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_operators/2016/openstack_operators.2016-09-06-14.02.html | 14:37 |
| mihalis68 | a-ha! | 14:37 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_operators/2016/openstack_operators.2016-09-06-14.02.txt | 14:37 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_operators/2016/openstack_operators.2016-09-06-14.02.log.html | 14:37 |
| mihalis68 | see you next week folks | 14:37 |
| VW | next week it is... | 14:37 |
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